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==ammo tables==
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{{Notice|[[User talk:U38088265/Archive/2019]]}}
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''Anyone know where to find/calculate normalisation & ricochet stats?''
 
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Yes I have all the answers you seek(PM me). Although for aircraft guns those stats are basically worthless since you're firing hundreds of rounds so even if 90% of your rounds bounce you're still dealing significant damage.--[[User:U30585107|U30585107]] ([[User talk:U30585107|talk]]) 18:16, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 
  
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== Firefox and {{Specs-Link|us_magach_3}} ==
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== Mobility template ==
  
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- What version of Firefox are you using? I am using 67.0 (64-bit) and am not having any issues.  There have been known issues in the past where Firefox does break something while Chrome and IE display it correctly. If this continues we can pass up the issue to the Wiki developers and they can look into what might be the issue (usually a minor code fix takes care of the problem). Let us know if you see it here or on any other pages again utilising the specific characters. [[User:U64962917|U64962917]] ([[User talk:U64962917|talk]]) 12:17, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
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Hello, I've been using the Mobility Template [[Template:TankMobility]] lately but I've noticed a lot of discrepancies between in-game values and the wiki.
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:I'm also on 67.0 (64-bit). It's quite sporadic and seems to have stopped happening on the wiki, but directly searching up the symbol "U+F059" (or any of the other private-use characters) in Google breaks the results page that follows. I believe all the other nation symbols are fine since the characters that they're mapped from unicode symbols that are actively supported by Firefox. Although as I'm writing this the symbol now seems to work elsewhere as well, so I guess I'll consider the issue resolved for now until it pops up again... [[User:U38088265|U38088265]] ([[User talk:U38088265|talk]]) 12:50, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
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{{Sp-begin|Discrepancies as of 08.03.20}}
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=== US tree (finished) ===
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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|-
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! rowspan="2" | Vehicle || colspan="2" | AB Engine upgraded || colspan="2" | Weight || rowspan="2" | Date
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|-
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! In-game !! Wiki !! In-game !! Wiki
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|-
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| [[M13 MGMC#Mobility|M13 MGMC]] || 259 HP || 282 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[M3 GMC#Mobility|M3 GMC]] || 259 HP || 282 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[M16 MGMC#Mobility|M16 MGMC]] || 259 HP || 282 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[M8 Greyhound#Mobility|M8 Greyhound]] || 159 HP || 210 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[M10 GMC#Mobility|M10 GMC]] || 717 HP || 782 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[LVT(A)(4) ZIS-2 (USA)#Mobility|LVT(A)(4) ZIS-2 (USA)]] || 437 HP || 477 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[M6A1#Mobility|M6A1]] || 1272 HP || 1526 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[M15A1 CGMC#Mobility|M15A1 CGMC]] || 259 HP || 282 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[M18 GMC#Mobility|M18 GMC]] || 804 HP || 878 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[M4A3E2#Mobility|M4A3E2]] || 795 HP || 954 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[M18 "Black Cat"#Mobility|M18 "Black Cat"]] || 804 HP || 878 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[Cobra King#Mobility|Cobra King]] || 795 HP || 954 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[M4A3E2 (76) W#Mobility|M4A3E2 (76) W]] || 795 HP || 954 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[M19#Mobility|M19]] || 518 HP || 565 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[M36 GMC#Mobility|M36 GMC]] || 874 HP || 954 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[M56#Mobility|M56]] || 350 HP || 382 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[T26E1-1#Mobility|T26E1-1]] || 795 HP || 954 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[Super Hellcat#Mobility|Super Hellcat]] || 804 HP || 878 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[T34#Mobility|T34]] || 1287 HP || 1545 HP || 65.8t || 65.1t ||
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|-
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| [[T29#Mobility|T29]] || 1224 HP || 1469 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[T30#Mobility|T30]] || 1287 HP || 1545 HP || 65.8t || 65.1t ||
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|-
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| [[T32#Mobility|T32]] || 1228 HP || 1469 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[T32E1#Mobility|T32E1]] || 1228 HP || 1469 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[M42#Mobility|M42]] || 874 HP || 954 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[T95#Mobility|T95]] || 874 HP || 954 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[T114#Mobility|T114]] || 280 HP || 305 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[M103#Mobility|M103]] || 1287 HP || 1545 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[M163#Mobility|M163]] || || || 11.0t || 11.2t ||
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|-
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| [[M247#Mobility|M247]] || 1310 HP || 1431 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[XM-803#Mobility|XM-803]] || 2356 HP || 2385 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[M1 Abrams#Mobility|M1 Abrams]] || 2533 HP || 2898 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[IPM1#Mobility|IPM1]] || 2533 HP || 2898 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[M1A1 Abrams#Mobility|M1A1 Abrams]] || 2533 HP || 2898 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[ADATS#Mobility|ADATS]] || || || 23.7t || 25.0t ||
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|-
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| [[M1A2 Abrams#Mobility|M1A2 Abrams]] || 2533 HP || 2898 HP || || ||
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|}
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[[XM-1 (Chrysler)]] couldn't be checked in-game as it wasn't displayed at the time.
  
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== NR-30 (30 mm) Update ==
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=== German tree (finished)===
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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|-
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! rowspan="2" | Vehicle || colspan="2" | AB Engine upgraded || colspan="2" | Weight
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|-
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! In-game !! Wiki !! In-game !! Wiki
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|-
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| [[Pz.III B#Mobility|Pz.III B]] || 334 HP || 477 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[Flakpanzer I#Mobility|Flakpanzer I]] || 100 HP || 109 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[Panzerjager I#Mobility|Panzerjager I]] || 175 HP || 191 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[Flakpanzer 38#Mobility|Flakpanzer 38]] || 262 HP || 286 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[Sd.Kfz.234/3#Mobility|Sd.Kfz.234/3]] || 367 HP || 401 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[15cm sIG 33 B Sfl#Mobility|15cm sIG 33 B Sfl]] || 271 HP || 296 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[Pz.III J#Mobility|Pz.III J]] || || || 21.8t || 21.3t
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|-
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| [[StuG III A#Mobility|StuG III A]] || 525 HP || 572 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[Pz.III J1#Mobility|Pz.III J1]] || || || 21.8t || 21.3t
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|-
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| [[Sd.Kfz. 6/2#Mobility|Sd.Kfz. 6/2]] || 201 HP || 219 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[StuH 42 G#Mobility|StuH 42 G]] || 525 HP || 572 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[Sd.Kfz.234/4#Mobility|Sd.Kfz.234/4]] || 367 HP || 401 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[Marder III#Mobility|Marder III]] || 280 HP || 305 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[Marder III H#Mobility|Marder III H]] || 262 HP || 286 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[StuG III F#Mobility|StuG III F]] || 525 HP || 572 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[8,8 cm Flak 37 Sfl.#Mobility|8,8 cm Flak 37 Sfl.]] || 402 HP || 439 HP || 24.3t || 25.0t
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|-
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| [[StuG III G#Mobility|StuG III G]] || 525 HP || 572 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[15 cm Pz.W.42#Mobility|15 cm Pz.W.42]] || 119 HP || 130 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[Dicker Max#Mobility|Dicker Max]] || 315 HP || 343 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[Tiger H1#Mobility|Tiger H1]] || 1033 HP || 1240 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[Wirbelwind#Mobility|Wirbelwind]] || 525 HP || 572 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[Jagdpanzer 38(t)#Mobility|Jagdpanzer 38(t)]] || 280 HP || 305 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[KV-IB (Germany)#Mobility|KV-IB (Germany)]] || 954 HP || 1145 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[Sturer Emil#Mobility|Sturer Emil]] || 542 HP || 591 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[Tiger E#Mobility|Tiger E]] || 1133 HP || 1336 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[Ostwind#Mobility|Ostwind]] || 525 HP || 572 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[Jagdpanzer IV#Mobility|Jagdpanzer IV]] || 525 HP || 572 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[KV II 754 (r) (Germany)#Mobility|KV II 754 (r) (Germany)]] || 954 HP || 1145 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[Pz.Kpfw. Churchill (Germany)#Mobility|Pz.Kpfw. Churchill (Germany)]] || 556 HP || 668 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[Nashorn#Mobility|Nashorn]] || 525 HP || 572 HP || 24.3t || 23.5t
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|-
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| [[Panzer IV/70(V)#Mobility|Panzer IV/70(V)]] || 525 HP || 572 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[Panzer IV/70(A)#Mobility|Panzer IV/70(A)]] || 525 HP || 572 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[Brummbar#Mobility|Brummbar]] || 463 HP || 506 HP || 27.8t || 28.2t
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|-
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| [[VFW#Mobility|VFW]] || 630 HP || 687 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[KV I C 756 (r) (Germany)#Mobility|KV I C 756 (r) (Germany)]] || 954 HP || 1145 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[VK 45.01 (P)#Mobility|VK 45.01 (P)]] || 984 HP || 1183 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[Tiger (Germany)#Mobility|Tiger (Germany)]] || 1033 HP || 1240 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[Waffentrager#Mobility|Waffentrager]] || 245 HP || 267 HP || 16.3t || 17.0t
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|-
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| [[Tiger II (P)#Mobility|Tiger II (P)]] || 1113 HP || 1336 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[Ostwind II#Mobility|Ostwind II]] || 525 HP || 572 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[Jagdpanther#Mobility|Jagdpanther]] || 1224 HP || 1336 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[Bfw. Jagdpanther#Mobility|Bfw. Jagdpanther]] || 1224 HP || 1336 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[Tiger II (H) Sla.16#Mobility|Tiger II (H) Sla.16]] || 1191 HP || 1431 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[Tiger II (H)#Mobility|Tiger II (H)]] || 1113 HP || 1336 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[Ferdinand#Mobility|Ferdinand]] || 926 HP || 1011 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[Pz.Bef.Wg.VI P#Mobility|Pz.Bef.Wg.VI P]] || 841 HP || 1011 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[Flakpanzer 341#Mobility|Flakpanzer 341]] || 1048 HP || 1145 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[JPz 4-5#Mobility|JPz 4-5]] || 874 HP || 954 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[Kugelblitz#Mobility|Kugelblitz]] || 525 HP || 572 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[Jagdtiger#Mobility|Jagdtiger]] || 1224 HP || 1336 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[Tiger II (10.5 cm Kw.K)#Mobility|Tiger II (10.5 cm Kw.K)]] || 1431 HP || 1717 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[E-100#Mobility|E-100]] || 1431 HP || 1717 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[Maus#Mobility|Maus]] || 1905 HP || 2290 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[RakJPz 2#Mobility|RakJPz 2]] || 874 HP || 954 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[RakJPz 2 (HOT)#Mobility|RakJPz 2 (HOT)]] || 874 HP || 954 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[Gepard#Mobility|Gepard]] || 1450 HP || 1584 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[VT1-2#Mobility|VT1-2]] || ???? HP || 4197 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[Leopard 2K#Mobility|Leopard 2K]] || 2500 HP || 2862 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[Leopard 2A4#Mobility|Leopard 2A4]] || 2500 HP || 2862 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[Leopard 2A5#Mobility|Leopard 2A5]] || 2500 HP || 2862 HP || ||
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|-
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| [[FlaRakPz 1#Mobility|FlaRakPz 1]] || 1048 HP || 1145 HP || ||
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|}
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[[M4 748 (a) (Germany)]] couldn't be checked in-game as it wasn't displayed at the time.
  
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*Was the change from Type 30-1 (30 mm) to NR-30 (30 mm) in the last update?  Wiki stat card under Russian MiG-19 is listed as Type 30-1 (30 mm) while the German version is the NR-30 (30 mm). Should there maybe be two pages (not sure if same gun just different names or if they are two separate gun types). I hesitate to approve the redirect until this is clarified. I don't have access to the game to see if this info reflects on the ingame stat cards or if they are showing something different than the wiki stat cards. [[User:U64962917|U64962917]] ([[User talk:U64962917|talk]]) 14:47, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
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=== Soviet tree (finished)===
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: The game still uses "Type 30-1 (30 mm)", but I added the redirect because the [[NR-30 (30 mm)]] page talks about the Type 30-1 (though very briefly), and they appear to have exactly the same characteristics and parameters (RoF, muzzle velocity, available belts and composition, etc), so I believe they are the same gun but under different names. However, this has not been officially endorsed/contradicted yet.
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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::Ok, for now, I think it will be best to leave them as two separate pages (that way if someone is searching specifically for the "Type 30-1" it will come up. Easiest thing will probably be to put an "About template" at the top of the page much like the family/disambiguation pages that way it will identify that they are different pages, but similar if not identical guns (other than the name). [[User:U64962917|U64962917]] ([[User talk:U64962917|talk]]) 15:06, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
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|-
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! rowspan="2" | Vehicle || colspan="2" | AB Engine upgraded || colspan="2" | Weight || rowspan="2" | Date
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|-
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! In-game !! Wiki !! In-game !! Wiki
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|-
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| [[BT-5#Mobility|BT-5]] || 487 HP || 696 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[SU-5-1#Mobility|SU-5-1]] || 157 HP || 172 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[GAZ-AAA (4M)#Mobility|GAZ-AAA (4M)]] || 100 HP || 109 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[GAZ-AAA (DShK)#Mobility|GAZ-AAA (DShK)]] || 100 HP || 109 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[T-35#Mobility|T-35]] || 795 HP || 954 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[SU-57#Mobility|SU-57]] || 259 HP || 282 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[BM-8-24#Mobility|BM-8-24]] || 133 HP || 145 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[T-III (USSR)#Mobility|T-III (USSR)]] || || || 21.8t || 21.3t ||
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|-
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| [[ZiS-30#Mobility|ZiS-30]] || 87 HP || 95 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[GAZ-MM (72-K)#Mobility|GAZ-MM (72-K)]] || 100 HP || 109 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[BM-13N#Mobility|BM-13N]] || 164 HP || 179 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[KV-1 (L-11)#Mobility|KV-1 (L-11)]] || 954 HP || 1145 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[SU-76M#Mobility|SU-76M]] || 245 HP || 267 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[BTR-152A#Mobility|BTR-152A]] || 192 HP || 210 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[SU-76M (5th Gv.Kav.Corps)#Mobility|SU-76M (5th Gv.Kav.Corps)]] || 245 HP || 267 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[KV-1S#Mobility|KV-1S]] || 954 HP || 1145 HP || 41.4t || 42.5t ||
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|-
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| [[SU-122#Mobility|SU-122]] || 874 HP || 954 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[ZiS-12 (94-KM)#Mobility|ZiS-12 (94-KM)]] || 122 HP || 134 HP || 3.0t || 7.0t ||
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|-
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| [[MK-II "Matilda" (USSR)#Mobility|MK-II "Matilda" (USSR)]] || 302 HP || 363 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[ZUT-37#Mobility|ZUT-37]] || 297 HP || 324 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[SU-85A#Mobility|SU-85A]] || 245 HP || 267 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[SMK#Mobility|SMK]] || 1351 HP || 1622 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[KV-1 (ZiS-5)#Mobility|KV-1 (ZiS-5)]] || 954 HP || 1145 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[ASU-57#Mobility|ASU-57]] || 96 HP || 105 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[SU-57B#Mobility|SU-57B]] || 182 HP || 198 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[YaG-10 (29-K)#Mobility|YaG-10 (29-K)]] || 164 HP || 177 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[KV-2 (1940)#Mobility|KV-2 (1940)]] || 954 HP || 1145 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[KV-2 (1939)#Mobility|KV-2 (1939)]] || 954 HP || 1145 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[KV-85#Mobility|KV-85]] || 954 HP || 1145 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[SU-85#Mobility|SU-85]] || 874 HP || 954 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[SU-85M#Mobility|SU-85M]] || 874 HP || 954 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[ZiS-43#Mobility|ZiS-43]] || 157 HP || 172 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[SU-100Y#Mobility|SU-100Y]] || 1486 HP || 162 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[IS-1#Mobility|IS-1]] || 827 HP || 992 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[SU-152#Mobility|SU-152]] || 1049 HP || 1145 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[KV-2 (ZiS-6)#Mobility|KV-2 (ZiS-6)]] || 954 HP || 1145 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[KV-1E#Mobility|KV-1E]] || 954 HP || 1145 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[Type 65 (USSR)#Mobility|Type 65 (USSR)]] || 874 HP || 954 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[KV-220#Mobility|KV-220]] || 1351 HP || 1622 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[ISU-152#Mobility|ISU-152]] || 909 HP || 992 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[ZSU-37#Mobility|ZSU-37]] || 245 HP || 267 HP || || ||
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|-
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| [[KV-122#Mobility|KV-122]] || 827 HP || 992 HP || || ||
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|}
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[[T-34 (Prototype)]] couldn't be checked in-game as it wasn't displayed at the time.
  
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== nvd list ==
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[[T-34 (1st Gv.T.Br.)]] couldn't be checked in-game as it wasn't displayed at the time.
  
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I've seen the list of NVD you applied to that night vision page, is it 100% accurate? Planning to go and check all the ammunition lists due to APHE change (as well as others), might as well add optic tables everywhere, but going to apply the expanded table where it is applicable, for the base information filling was going to use the list. Although, if you somehow also have resolution numbers somewhere that'd be amazing to use. --[[User:U42773747|U42773747]] ([[User talk:U42773747|talk]]) 13:41, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
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[[T-34-85E]] couldn't be checked in-game as it wasn't displayed at the time.
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: I believe the list is correct, but there may be a couple of inaccuracies and I am currently unable to check any of the vehicles. I will endeavour to correct any mistakes as soon as I find them though. As for resolution numbers, [[User:U13682523]] might be able to help you with that, otherwise I'll see what I can do in the next week or so. -[[User:U38088265|U38088265]] ([[User talk:U38088265|talk]]) 15:11, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 
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:: I don't really fancy manually checking 150 + vehicles at the moment, and writing a program to do it would be a bit tricky (possible, but I'd need to sit down for quite a while and work it out). [https://i.redd.it/180udjg4wvk31.png This image from Reddit] should be mostly accurate for resolutions. All tanks and most helicopters have High noise NVDs, a few (top tier) helicopters have medium noise ones. [https://pastebin.com/iEcbUGzU Here's a list of tanks with IR search lights], all searchlights are range 1,400 m beam angle 8.2; with the exception of the chieftains, which are 1,500 m beam angle 15.3; and the panther 2 which is 600 m, beam angle 9.6. Hopefully that's enough info to get you started.--[[User:U13682523|U13682523]] ([[User talk:U13682523|talk]]) 20:11, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 
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:::Seems legit, when i've got time i'll start bombing pages with what info we have around here. Everything else can be fixed later on anyway. Thanks. --[[User:U42773747|U42773747]] ([[User talk:U42773747|talk]]) 20:30, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 
  
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<!--=== Italian tree (in progress)===
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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|-
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! rowspan="2" | Vehicle || colspan="2" | AB Engine upgraded || colspan="2" | Weight || rowspan="2" | Date
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|-
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! In-game !! Wiki !! In-game !! Wiki
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|-
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| [[Breda 501#Mobility|Breda 501]] || 248 HP || 271 HP || || || 09.02.2020
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|-
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| [[R3 T20 FA-HS#Mobility|R3 T20 FA-HS]] || 166 HP || 181 HP || || || 09.02.2020
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|-
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| [[105/25 M43#Mobility|105/25 M43]] || 324 HP || 353 HP || || || 09.02.2020
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|-
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| [[75/34 M43#Mobility|75/34 M43]] || 324 HP || 353 HP || || || 09.02.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[75/46 M43#Mobility|75/46 M43]] || 324 HP || 353 HP || || || 09.02.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[AUBL/74#Mobility|AUBL/74]] || || || 8.2t || 8.5t || 09.02.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[R3 T106 FA#Mobility|R3 T106 FA]] || || || 3.4t || 3.5t || 09.02.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Centauro#Mobility|Centauro]] || || || 25.0t || 27.0t || 09.02.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Centauro ROMOR#Mobility|Centauro ROMOR]] || || || 28.0t || 30.0t || 09.02.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Ariete (P)#Mobility|Ariete (P)]] || || || 53.0t || 53.8t || 09.02.2020
 +
|}
 +
[[M43 "G.C.Leoncello"]] couldn't be checked in-game as it wasn't displayed at the time.-->
 +
{{Sp-end}}
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{{Sp-begin|Discrepancies in progress}}
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 +
|-
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! rowspan="2" | Vehicle || colspan="2" | AB Engine upgraded || colspan="2" | Weight || rowspan="2" | Date
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|-
 +
! In-game !! Wiki !! In-game !! Wiki
 +
|-
 +
| [[IS-2#Mobility|IS-2]] || 827 HP || 992 HP || || || 09.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[IS-2 (1944)#Mobility|IS-2 (1944)]] || 827 HP || 992 HP || || || 09.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[ASU-85#Mobility|ASU-85]] || 367 HP || 401 HP || || || 09.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[ISU-122#Mobility|ISU-122]] || 909 HP || 992 HP || || || 09.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[ISU-122S#Mobility|ISU-122S]] || 909 HP || 992 HP || || || 09.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[SU-100P#Mobility|SU-100P]] || 699 HP || 763 HP || || || 09.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[SU-100#Mobility|SU-100]] || 874 HP || 954 HP || || || 09.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[SU-122P#Mobility|SU-122P]] || 874 HP || 954 HP || || || 09.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[IS-2 "Revenge"#Mobility|IS-2 "Revenge"]] || 827 HP || 992 HP || || || 09.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Type 62 (USSR)#Mobility|Type 62 (USSR)]] || || || 20.5t || 20.3t || 09.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[IS-6#Mobility|IS-6]] || 1113 HP || 1336 HP || 51.1t || 51.4t || 09.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[IS-3#Mobility|IS-3]] || 827 HP || 992 HP || || || 10.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[SU-122-54#Mobility|SU-122-54]] || 909 HP || 992 HP || || || 10.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[ZSU-57-2#Mobility|ZSU-57-2]] || 909 HP || 992 HP || || || 10.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Object 120#Mobility|Object 120]] || 839 HP || 916 HP || 26.8t || 27.0t || 10.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[IS-7#Mobility|IS-7]] || 1669 HP || 2003 HP || || || 10.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[IS-4M#Mobility|IS-4M]] || 1192 HP || 1431 HP || || || 10.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Object 268#Mobility|Object 268]] || 1310 HP || 1431 HP || || || 10.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[T-10M#Mobility|T-10M]] || 1192 HP || 1431 HP || || || 11.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Object 906#Mobility|Object 906]] || || || 14.8t || 15.0t || 11.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[ZSU-23-4#Mobility|ZSU-23-4]] || 490 HP || 534 HP || 20.7t || 21.0t || 11.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[BMP-2#Mobility|BMP-2]] || || || 14.0t || 13.2t || 11.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Shturm-S#Mobility|Shturm-S]] || 420 HP || 458 HP || || || 11.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[T-64B#Mobility|T-64B]] || || || 40.1t || 39.0t || 11.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[T-72A#Mobility|T-72A]] || || || 41.0t || 40.2t || 11.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[T-80B#Mobility|T-80B]] || || || 42.5t || 42.0t || 11.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[ZPRK 2S6#Mobility|ZPRK 2S6]] || 1240 HP || 1355 HP || 34.6t || 34.0t || 11.03.2020
 +
|}
 +
The weight discrepancy for [[BMP-2]], [[T-64B]], [[T-72A]] and [[T-80B]] comes from the fact that the add-on armor weight is removed twice. The add-on armor weight is most likely not counted in the total weight of the vehicle.
  
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Ok, on a side note, i should also probably add an "instruction" part? Here is more universal one, but it's very long . If necessary cut it down. Should i just copy-paste it everywhere or make a special one for "just optics" tanks and "nvd equipped" tanks? It seems i'll have to, because both tables look drastically different.
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=== British tree (finished)===
 +
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 +
|-
 +
! rowspan="2" | Vehicle || colspan="2" | AB Engine upgraded || colspan="2" | Weight || rowspan="2" | Date
 +
|-
 +
! In-game !! Wiki !! In-game !! Wiki
 +
|-
 +
| [[Mk.VIA AA#Mobility|Mk.VIA AA]] || 154 HP || 168 HP || || || 11.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Daimler AC Mk.II#Mobility|Daimler AC Mk.II]] || 137 HP || 181 HP || || || 12.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[T17E2#Mobility|T17E2]] || 339 HP || 370 HP || || || 12.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Independent#Mobility|Independent]] || 588 HP || 706 HP || 32.0t || 31.7t || 12.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Matilda III#Mobility|Matilda III]] || 302 HP || 363 HP || || || 12.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[AC Mk II AA#Mobility|AC Mk II AA]] || 276 HP || 301 HP || || || 12.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Cromwell Mk.V (RP-3)#Mobility|Cromwell Mk.V (RP-3)]] || || || 28.2t || 28.4t || 12.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[3 inch Gun Carrier#Mobility|3 inch Gun Carrier]] || 612 HP || 668 HP || || || 12.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Churchill Mk I#Mobility|Churchill Mk I]] || 556 HP || 668 HP || || || 12.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Archer#Mobility|Archer]] || 336 HP || 366 HP || || || 12.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Churchill Mk III#Mobility|Churchill Mk III]] || 556 HP || 668 HP || || || 12.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Achilles#Mobility|Achilles]] || 717 HP || 782 HP || || || 12.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Crusader AA Mk II#Mobility|Crusader AA Mk II]] || 595 HP || 649 HP || || || 12.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Churchill Mk VII#Mobility|Churchill Mk VII]] || 556 HP || 668 HP || || || 12.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Excelsior#Mobility|Excelsior]] || 997 HP || 1198 HP || || || 12.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[QF 3.7 Ram#Mobility|QF 3.7 Ram]] || 699 HP || 763 HP || || || 12.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[FV4202#Mobility|FV4202]] || || || 37.0t || 37.2t || 12.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Charioteer Mk VII#Mobility|Charioteer Mk VII]] || 1049 HP || 1145 HP || || || 12.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Crusader AA Mk I#Mobility|Crusader AA Mk I]] || 595 HP || 649 HP || || || 12.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Black Prince#Mobility|Black Prince]] || 556 HP || 668 HP || || || 12.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Caernarvon#Mobility|Caernarvon]] || 1287 HP || 1545 HP || || || 12.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Tortoise#Mobility|Tortoise]] || 1137 HP || 1240 HP || || || 12.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[FV4005#Mobility|FV4005]] || 1137 HP || 1240 HP || 59.5t || 60.0t || 12.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Conway#Mobility|Conway]] || 1110 HP || 1212 HP || || || 13.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Falcon#Mobility|Falcon]] || 372 HP || 406 HP || || || 13.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Conqueror#Mobility|Conqueror]] || 1287 HP || 1545 HP || || || 13.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Swingfire#Mobility|Swingfire]] || 420 HP || 458 HP || 15.9t || 16.2t || 13.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Chieftain Marksman#Mobility|Chieftain Marksman]] || 1328 HP || 1450 HP || || || 13.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Rooikat 105#Mobility|Rooikat 105]] || 991 HP || 1082 HP || || || 19.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Vickers Mk.7#Mobility|Vickers Mk.7]] || 2500 HP || 2862 HP || || || 13.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Striker#Mobility|Striker]] || 332 HP || 363 HP || || || 13.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Challenger Mk.3#Mobility|Challenger Mk.3]] || || || 65.5t || 65.0t || 13.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Challenger 2#Mobility|Challenger 2]] || || || 62.5t || 61.4t || 13.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Stormer HVM#Mobility|Stormer HVM]] || 437 HP || 477 HP || || || 13.03.2020
 +
|}
 +
[[Achilles (65 Rg.)]] couldn't be checked in-game as it wasn't displayed at the time.
  
−
////
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[[Black Prince]] couldn't be checked in-game as it wasn't displayed at the time.
−
EX1:
 
−
Try to fill in the specifications of the tank optics. If you are having problems with it, refer to the [[Optics|optics gallery]] or [[Night Vision Devices|Night vision]] pages for examples. Remember, not every tank has optic magnification specified in X-ray and each NVD can only be used from their designated point of view.
 
  
−
Try to explain how optics affect your gameplay on a tank: a comparsion to rival tanks of the rank is welcome. If the vehicle optic devices are unique in some way, or the way the optics are placed on a tank is affecting the gameplay in meaningful way, or damage to optics can disable some features or weapons of a tank, specify it here as well.
+
The weight discrepancy for [[Challenger 2]] comes from the fact that the add-on armor weight is removed twice. The add-on armor weight is most likely not counted in the total weight of the vehicle.
  
−
////
+
=== Japanese tree (finished)===
 +
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 +
|-
 +
! rowspan="2" | Vehicle || colspan="2" | AB Engine upgraded || colspan="2" | Weight || rowspan="2" | Date
 +
|-
 +
! In-game !! Wiki !! In-game !! Wiki
 +
|-
 +
| [[Ha-Go#Mobility|Ha-Go]] || 160 HP || 229 HP || || || 15.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[I-Go Ko#Mobility|I-Go Ko]] || || || 11.1t || 11.5t || 15.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Ho-Ro#Mobility|Ho-Ro]] || 297 HP || 324 HP || 14.8t || 15.0t || 15.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Type 94#Mobility|Type 94]] || 119 HP || 130 HP || || || 15.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Ha-Go Commander#Mobility|Ha-Go Commander]] || 160 HP || 229 HP || || || 15.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Ke-Ni#Mobility|Ke-Ni]] || 173 HP || 248 HP || 7.0t || 7.2t || 15.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Chi-Ha#Mobility|Chi-Ha]] || || || 14.8t || 15.0t || 15.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Ro-Go#Mobility|Ro-Go]] || 461 HP || 553 HP || || || 15.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Ka-Mi#Mobility|Ka-Mi]] || 153 HP || 219 HP || || || 15.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Chi-Ha Kai#Mobility|Chi-Ha Kai]] || || || 14.8t || 15.0t || 15.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Ho-Ni I#Mobility|Ho-Ni I]] || || || 14.8t || 15.0t || 16.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Ta-Se#Mobility|Ta-Se]] || 168 HP || 248 HP || 7.0t || 7.2t || 16.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Chi-Ha Short Gun#Mobility|Chi-Ha Short Gun]] || || || 14.8t || 15.0t || 16.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Ho-Ni III#Mobility|Ho-Ni III]] || 297 HP || 324 HP || 16.8t || 17.0t || 16.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Na-To#Mobility|Na-To]] || 289 HP || 315 HP || || || 18.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[So-Ki#Mobility|So-Ki]] || 168 HP || 248 HP || 7.0t || 7.2t || 18.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Chi-Nu II#Mobility|Chi-Nu II]] || || || 19.8t || 20.0t || 18.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Heavy Tank No.6 (Japan)#Mobility|Heavy Tank No.6 (Japan)]] || 1113 HP || 1336 HP || || || 18.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[ST-A1#Mobility|ST-A1]] || || || 34.2t || 34.0t || 18.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[ST-A2#Mobility|ST-A2]] || || || 34.2t || 34.0t || 18.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Ho-Ri Production#Mobility|Ho-Ri Production]] || 1924 HP || 2099 HP || || || 18.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[M42 (Japan)#Mobility|M42 (Japan)]] || 874 HP || 954 HP || || || 18.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Ho-Ri Prototype#Mobility|Ho-Ri Prototype]] || 961 HP || 1049 HP || || || 18.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Type 60 SPRG (C)#Mobility|Type 60 SPRG (C)]] || 262 HP || 286 HP || 7.7t || 8.0t || 18.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Type 60 ATM#Mobility|Type 60 ATM]] || 385 HP || 420 HP || || || 18.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[STB-1#Mobility|STB-1]] || || || 37.8t || 38.0t || 18.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Type 75 SPH#Mobility|Type 75 SPH]] || 786 HP || 859 HP || || || 18.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Type 75 MLRS#Mobility|Type 75 MLRS]] || 525 HP || 572 HP || || || 18.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Type 87#Mobility|Type 87]] || 1259 HP || 1374 HP || || || 18.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Type 74G#Mobility|Type 74G]] || || || 37.3t || 38.5t || 18.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Type 90#Mobility|Type 90]] || 2500 HP || 2862 HP || || || 18.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Type 16#Mobility|Type 16]] || 997 HP || 1088 HP || || || 18.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Type 90 (B)#Mobility|Type 90 (B)]] || 2500 HP || 2862 HP || || || 18.03.2020
 +
|}
 +
[[Heavy Tank No.6 (Japan)]] couldn't be checked in-game as it wasn't displayed at the time.
  
−
It should work if i drop the table there myself either way. Do note, that links on table itself must stay, because others may not really notice commented out links (or think that the header is just a header, not a link to a page).
+
[[Ho-Ri Prototype]] couldn't be checked in-game as it wasn't displayed at the time.
  
−
It is also possible to be a lazy bag and force people to search for the table themselves, but it's not a very good idea IMO:
+
=== Italian tree (finished)===
 +
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 +
|-
 +
! rowspan="2" | Vehicle || colspan="2" | AB Engine upgraded || colspan="2" | Weight || rowspan="2" | Date
 +
|-
 +
! In-game !! Wiki !! In-game !! Wiki
 +
|-
 +
| [[M13/40 (I)#Mobility|M13/40 (I)]] || || || 13.6t || 14.0t || 19.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[M13/40 (III)#Mobility|M13/40 (III)]] || || || 13.6t || 14.0t || 19.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[AS42#Mobility|AS42]] || 192 HP || 210 HP || || || 19.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[L3/33 CC#Mobility|L3/33 CC]] || 75 HP || 82 HP || || || 19.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[M13/40 (II)#Mobility|M13/40 (II)]] || || || 13.6t || 14.0t || 19.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[47/32 L40#Mobility|47/32 L40]] || 119 HP || 130 HP || || || 19.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[M42 (Italy)#Mobility|M42 (Italy)]] || 324 HP || 353 HP || || || 20.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[75/18 M41#Mobility|75/18 M41]] || 280 HP || 305 HP || || || 20.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[75/32 M41#Mobility|75/32 M41]] || 280 HP || 305 HP || || || 20.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[90/53 M41M#Mobility|90/53 M41M]] || 280 HP || 305 HP || || || 20.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[75/34 M42#Mobility|75/34 M42]] || 324 HP || 353 HP || || || 20.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Breda 501#Mobility|Breda 501]] || 248 HP || 271 HP || || || 20.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[R3 T20 FA-HS#Mobility|R3 T20 FA-HS]] || 166 HP || 181 HP || || || 20.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[105/25 M43#Mobility|105/25 M43]] || 324 HP || 353 HP || || || 20.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[M43 "G.C.Leoncello"#Mobility|M43 "G.C.Leoncello"]] || 324 HP || 353 HP || || || 20.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[75/34 M43#Mobility|75/34 M43]] || 324 HP || 353 HP || || || 20.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[75/46 M43#Mobility|75/46 M43]] || 324 HP || 353 HP || || || 20.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[FIAT 6614#Mobility|FIAT 6614]] || || || 8.2t || 8.5t || 20.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[M36B1#Mobility|M36B1]] || 786 HP || 859 HP || || || 20.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[AUBL/74#Mobility|AUBL/74]] || || || 8.2t || 8.5t || 20.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[SIDAM 25#Mobility|SIDAM 25]] || 371 HP || 404 HP || || || 20.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[M113A1 (TOW)#Mobility|M113A1 (TOW)]] || 376 HP || 410 HP || || || 20.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Centauro#Mobility|Centauro]] || 909 HP || 992 HP || 25.0t || 27.0t || 20.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Centauro ROMOR#Mobility|Centauro ROMOR]] || 909 HP || 992 HP || 28.0t || 30.0t || 20.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[OTOMATIC#Mobility|OTOMATIC]] || 1451 HP || 1584 HP || || || 20.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Ariete (P)#Mobility|Ariete (P)]] || 2167 HP || 2480 HP || 53.0t || 53.8t || 20.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Centauro MGS#Mobility|Centauro MGS]] || 909 HP || 992 HP || 25.0t || 27.0t || 20.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Ariete#Mobility|Ariete]] || 2167 HP || 2480 HP || 52.0+1.0t || 53.8t || 20.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[SIDAM 25 (Mistral)#Mobility|SIDAM 25 (Mistral)]] || 371 HP || 404 HP || || || 20.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Ariete PSO#Mobility|Ariete PSO]] || 2167 HP || 2480 HP || || || 20.03.2020
 +
|}
 +
[[M60A1 "D.C.Ariete"]] couldn't be checked in-game as it wasn't displayed at the time.
  
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=== French tree (finished)===
−
EX2:
+
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
−
Check if the tank has night vision devices or not, then pick a suitable table to fill from the [[Optics#For_use_around_Wiki|optics gallery]]. Attempt to find out gunner's sight magnification by looking at tank optics in X-ray preview. If neither of them say anything, try to estimate the zoom levels yourself, by using [[Optics#Examples_of_zoom_levels_for_different_confirmed_vehicles|example pictures]]. If tank has night vision devices, attempt to estimate their quality by referring to [[Night Vision Devices|specialized article]]. If optics placement or magnification seriously affects your gameplay, describe it.
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|-
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+
! rowspan="2" | Vehicle || colspan="2" | AB Engine upgraded || colspan="2" | Weight || rowspan="2" | Date
 +
|-
 +
! In-game !! Wiki !! In-game !! Wiki
 +
|-
 +
| [[AMC.34 YR#Mobility|AMC.34 YR]] || 160 HP || 229 HP || || || 21.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[H.35#Mobility|H.35]] || 100 HP || 143 HP || || || 21.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[P.7.T AA#Mobility|P.7.T AA]] || 35 HP || 38 HP || || || 21.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[AMR.35 ZT3#Mobility|AMR.35 ZT3]] || 143 HP || 156 HP || || || 21.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[H.39 "Cambronne"#Mobility|H.39 "Cambronne"]] || 160 HP || 229 HP || || || 21.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[H.39#Mobility|H.39]] || 160 HP || 229 HP || || || 21.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[R.35 (SA38)#Mobility|R.35 (SA38)]] || 109 HP || 156 HP || || || 21.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[AMC.35 (ACG.1)#Mobility|AMC.35 (ACG.1)]] || 240 HP || 343 HP || || || 21.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[B1 bis#Mobility|B1 bis]] || 488 HP || 586 HP ||  ||  || 21.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[SAu 40#Mobility|SAu 40]] || 332 HP || 363 HP ||  ||  || 21.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[B1 ter#Mobility|B1 ter]] || 556 HP || 668 HP ||  ||  || 21.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[M10 GMC (France)#Mobility|M10 GMC (France)]] || 717 HP || 782 HP ||  ||  || 21.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[ARL-44 (ACL-1)#Mobility|ARL-44 (ACL-1)]] || 954 HP || 1145 HP ||  ||  || 21.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[CCKW 353 AA#Mobility|CCKW 353 AA]] || 164 HP || 179 HP ||  ||  || 21.03.2020
 +
|-
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| [[ARL-44#Mobility|ARL-44]] || 1049 HP || 1145 HP ||  ||  || 21.03.2020
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| [[Lorraine 155 Mle.50#Mobility|Lorraine 155 Mle.50]] || 787 HP || 859 HP ||  ||  || 21.03.2020
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| [[M4A3E2 (France)#Mobility|M4A3E2 (France)]] || 795 HP || 954 HP ||  ||  || 21.03.2020
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|-
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| [[AMX-13 DCA 40#Mobility|AMX-13 DCA 40]] || 372 HP || 515 HP || || || 22.03.2020
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|-
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| [[CA Lorraine#Mobility|CA Lorraine]] || 1198 HP || 1307 HP || || || 22.03.2020
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| [[AMX-50 Surbaisse#Mobility|AMX-50 Surbaisse]] || 1351 HP || 1622 HP || || || 22.03.2020
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| [[AMX-30 DCA#Mobility|AMX-30 DCA]] || 1224 HP || 1336 HP || || || 22.03.2020
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|-
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| [[AMX-50 Foch#Mobility|AMX-50 Foch]] || 1748 HP || 1908 HP || || || 22.03.2020
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|-
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| [[AMX 50 Surblinde#Mobility|AMX 50 Surblinde]] || 1590 HP || 1908 HP || || || 22.03.2020
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|-
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| [[AMX-10RC#Mobility|AMX-10RC]] || 490 HP || 534 HP || || || 22.03.2020
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| [[Leclerc#Mobility|Leclerc]] || || || 53.7t || 54.6t || 22.03.2020
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| [[Roland 1#Mobility|Roland 1]] || 1260 HP || 1374 HP || || || 22.03.2020
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|}
  
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Not sure. --[[User:U42773747|U42773747]] ([[User talk:U42773747|talk]]) 22:08, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
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=== Chinese tree (finished) ===
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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! In-game !! Wiki !! In-game !! Wiki
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| [[M8 LAC (China)#Mobility|M8 LAC (China)]] || 159 HP || 210 HP || || || 22.03.2020
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| [[M8 HMC (China)#Mobility|M8 HMC (China)]] || 518 HP || 565 HP || || || 22.03.2020
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| [[Chi-Ha (China)#Mobility|Chi-Ha (China)]] || || || 14.8t || 15.0t || 22.03.2020
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| [[LVT(A)(4) (ZiS-2) (China)#Mobility|LVT(A)(4) (ZiS-2) (China)]] || 437 HP || 477 HP || || || 22.03.2020
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| [[Chi-Ha Kai (China)#Mobility|Chi-Ha Kai (China)]] || || || 14.8t || 15.0t || 22.03.2020
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| [[SU-76M (China)#Mobility|SU-76M (China)]] || 245 HP || 267 HP || || || 22.03.2020
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| [[T-34 (1943) (China)#Mobility|T-34 (1943) (China)]] || || || 29.8t || 30.0t || 22.03.2020
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|-
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| [[M10 (China)#Mobility|M10 (China)]] || 717 HP || 782 HP || || || 22.03.2020
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| [[Type 65#Mobility|Type 65]] || 874 HP || 954 HP || || || 23.03.2020
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|-
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| [[M18 (China)#Mobility|M18 (China)]] || 804 HP || 878 HP || || || 23.03.2020
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| [[ISU-152 (China)#Mobility|ISU-152 (China)]] || 909 HP || 992 HP || || || 23.03.2020
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| [[IS-2 (China)#Mobility|IS-2 (China)]] || 827 HP || 992 HP || || || 23.03.2020
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| [[M42 (China)#Mobility|M42 (China)]] || 874 HP || 954 HP || || || 23.03.2020
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| [[ISU-122 (China)#Mobility|ISU-122 (China)]] || 909 HP || 992 HP || || || 23.03.2020
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| [[Type 62#Mobility|Type 62]] || || || 20.2t || 20.5t || 23.03.2020
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| [[IS-2 mod.1944 (China)#Mobility|IS-2 mod.1944 (China)]] || 827 HP || 992 HP || || || 23.03.2020
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| [[M36 (China)#Mobility|M36 (China)]] || 874 HP || 954 HP || || || 23.03.2020
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| [[IS-2 No.402#Mobility|IS-2 No.402]] || 827 HP || 992 HP || || || 23.03.2020
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|-
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| [[SU-100 (China)#Mobility|SU-100 (China)]] || 874 HP || 954 HP || || || 23.03.2020
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|-
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| [[WZ305#Mobility|WZ305]] || 1015 HP || 1107 HP || || || 23.03.2020
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|-
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| [[M113A1 (TOW) (China)#Mobility|M113A1 (TOW) (China)]] || 377 HP || 410 HP || || || 23.03.2020
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|-
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| [[CM11#Mobility|CM11]] || || || 50.4t || 54.0t || 23.03.2020
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|}
  
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*Filled 2 pages in a way i see it working, if that's fine then i'll keep doing that everywhere. --[[User:U42773747|U42773747]] ([[User talk:U42773747|talk]]) 11:14, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
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=== Swedish tree (finished) ===
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:* The table looks fine, but the instructive comment seems a bit long, especially if you plan on putting it on every page. It may be better to have it in a central location (like [[Optics#For use around Wiki]]). I'll check with the higher-ups... -[[User:U38088265|U38088265]] ([[User talk:U38088265|talk]]) 11:21, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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::*Kind of why i had this second example going, as it seemed at least same in length with default ones. I'll wait for now i guess.
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:I don't think it's necessary to have instructions on how to get the information to make the table. The comments are usually instructing people on how to write the text to explain the context of the numbers. Instructions would be better off in a separate help page.--[[User:U30585107|U30585107]] ([[User talk:U30585107|talk]]) 13:37, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
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! rowspan="2" | Vehicle || colspan="2" | AB Engine upgraded || colspan="2" | Weight || rowspan="2" | Date
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::The whole gig is for the reason 70% of optics do not have zoom level specified whatsoever. Even in relatively new china tree you cannot look it up until rank III, for some until rank VI. The NVD's have absolutely no context as of yet. I will shorten it up, though, as it seems to long even to me. --[[User:U42773747|U42773747]] ([[User talk:U42773747|talk]]) 11:17, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
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:::The directions look much better now. In regards to the missing zoom levels, generally the low tiers missing it have the base 3.5x(double check that number) zoom since their historical zoom is too low to be usable. The higher tier tanks missing zoom levels are probably old tanks that pre-date the system.--[[User:U30585107|U30585107]] ([[User talk:U30585107|talk]]) 20:15, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
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! In-game !! Wiki !! In-game !! Wiki
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::::I now have a list of all tank sight zooms on my user page (or will when it is approved), feel free to take a look and use the numbers on the wiki if you think they are sensible. --[[User:U13682523|U13682523]] ([[User talk:U13682523|talk]]) 18:23, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
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|-
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| [[Pvlvv fm/42#Mobility|Pvlvv fm/42]] || 149 HP || 162 HP || || || 24.03.2020
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== Tech tree pages ==
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|-
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| [[fm/43-44#Mobility|fm/43-44]] || 280 HP || 305 HP || || || 24.03.2020
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You recently reverted a series of my edits to aircraft tech tree pages.  These edits corrected the color of premium aircraft buttons.  Is there a reason for those buttons to be colored as researchable aircraft and not premium aircraft? [[User:U90879773|U90879773]] ([[User talk:U90879773|talk]]) 00:36, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
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: The colours aren't so much "researchable" as "not premium/squadron". If you have a look at the in-game tech trees, you should see that the aircraft buttons you changed are the same colour as the researchable aircraft, but positioned in the premium section of the tech tree. -[[User:U38088265|U38088265]] ([[User talk:U38088265|talk]]) 01:05, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
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| [[Ikv 72#Mobility|Ikv 72]] || 254 HP || 277 HP || || || 24.03.2020
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::Thanks. Unfortunately, I don't have access to the game for reasons explaned on my user page. From now on, I will not edit in-game stats until I get access to the game. [[User:U90879773|U90879773]] ([[User talk:U90879773|talk]]) 01:24, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
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|-
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| [[Lago I#Mobility|Lago I]] || || || 17.8t || 18.0t || 24.03.2020
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== Mobility template ==
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|-
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| [[Lvtdgb m/40#Mobility|Lvtdgb m/40]] || 245 HP || 267 HP || || || 24.03.2020
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Hello, I've been using the Mobility Template [[Template:TankMobility]] lately but I've noticed a lot of discrepancies between in-game values and the wiki. Examples:
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="30%"
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| [[Sav m/43 (1944)#Mobility|Sav m/43 (1944)]] || 280 HP || 305 HP || || || 24.03.2020
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! Vehicle
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|-
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! In-game
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| [[SAV 20.12.48#Mobility|SAV 20.12.48]] || 699 HP || 763 HP || || || 24.03.2020
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! Wiki
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|-
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| [[Sav m/43 (1946)#Mobility|Sav m/43 (1946)]] || 249 HP || 305 HP || || || 24.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Pvkv II#Mobility|Pvkv II]] || 288 HP || 315 HP || || || 24.03.2020
 +
|-
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| [[L-62 ANTI II#Mobility|L-62 ANTI II]] || 252 HP || 275 HP || || || 24.03.2020
 +
|-
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| [[Pvkv m/43 (1946)#Mobility|Pvkv m/43 (1946)]] || 716 HP || 782 HP || || || 24.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Ikv 103#Mobility|Ikv 103]] || 234 HP || 286 HP || || || 24.03.2020
 +
|-
 +
| [[Lvkv 42#Mobility|Lvkv 42]] || 350 HP || 384 HP || || || 24.03.2020
 +
|-
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| [[Pvkv m/43 (1963)#Mobility|Pvkv m/43 (1963)]] || 566 HP || 618 HP || || || 24.03.2020
 +
|-
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| [[U-SH 405#Mobility|U-SH 405]] || 158 HP || 172 HP || || || 24.03.2020
 
|-
 
|-
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| M4 Tipo Ic || 248 HP || 271 HP
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| [[VEAK 40#Mobility|VEAK 40]] || 944 HP || 1030 HP || || || 24.03.2020
 
|-
 
|-
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| R3 T20 FA-HS || 166 HP || 181 HP
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| [[UDES 33#Mobility|UDES 33]] || 262 HP || 286 HP || || || 24.03.2020
 
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|-
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| 105/25 M43 || 324 HP || 353 HP
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| [[Strv 103-0#Mobility|Strv 103-0]] || 900 HP || 1030 HP || || || 24.03.2020
 
|-
 
|-
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| 75/34 M43 || 324 HP || 353 HP
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| [[Strv 103A#Mobility|Strv 103A]] || 900 HP || 1030 HP || || || 24.03.2020
 
|-
 
|-
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| 75/46 M43 || 324 HP || 353 HP
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| [[Strv 103С#Mobility|Strv 103С]] || 1300 HP || 1488 HP || || || 24.03.2020
 
|-
 
|-
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| AUBL74 || 8.2t || 8.5t
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| [[Lvrbv 701#Mobility|Lvrbv 701]] || 238 HP || 259 HP || || || 24.03.2020
 
|-
 
|-
−
| R3 T106 FA || 3.4t || 3.5t
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| [[Pvrbv 551#Mobility|Pvrbv 551]] || 238 HP || 259 HP || || || 24.03.2020
 
|-
 
|-
−
| Centauro || 25.0t || 27.0t
+
| [[Strv 121#Mobility|Strv 121]] || 2500 HP || 2862 HP || || || 24.03.2020
 
|-
 
|-
−
| Centauro ROMOR || 28.0t || 30.0t
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| [[Lvkv 90C#Mobility|Lvkv 90C]] || 961 HP || 1049 HP || || || 24.03.2020
 
|-
 
|-
−
| Ariete (P) || 53.0t || 53.8t
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| [[Strv 122#Mobility|Strv 122]] || 2500 HP || 2862 HP || || || 24.03.2020
 
|}
 
|}
−
Is there a way to correct that?
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{{Sp-end}}
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Is there a way to correct that? --[[User:U44629479|U44629479]] ([[User talk:U44629479|talk]]) 20:29, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 
: Hello. The R3 T106 FA discrepancy is due to a difference in rounding strategies between the wiki and the game. Any values that are automatically inserted and seem to be off by +- 1 on the last digit are likely just rounding errors, and I'm not sure how much can be done to remedy them. As for the other values, I will see if we can get the database maintainer to check/correct the values. Could you check your values for M4 Tipo IC, as they don't seem to agree with either the game or the wiki. -[[User:U38088265|U38088265]] ([[User talk:U38088265|talk]]) 22:22, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 
: Hello. The R3 T106 FA discrepancy is due to a difference in rounding strategies between the wiki and the game. Any values that are automatically inserted and seem to be off by +- 1 on the last digit are likely just rounding errors, and I'm not sure how much can be done to remedy them. As for the other values, I will see if we can get the database maintainer to check/correct the values. Could you check your values for M4 Tipo IC, as they don't seem to agree with either the game or the wiki. -[[User:U38088265|U38088265]] ([[User talk:U38088265|talk]]) 22:22, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
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:: My bad, it was the Breda 501 and not the M4 tipo Ic. --[[User:U44629479|U44629479]] ([[User talk:U44629479|talk]]) 22:52, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
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::: I added the next discrepancies I found to the list. HP values are for Arcade Spaded. --[[User:U44629479|U44629479]] ([[User talk:U44629479|talk]]) 13:49, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
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::::This is the guy in charge of the numbers [[User:U36063762]]--[[User:U30585107|U30585107]] ([[User talk:U30585107|talk]]) 00:23, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
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::::There's nothing wrong with continuing updating the list here, however (unless DnaGonite is getting annoyed by the new talk notifications). The list has already been forwarded for investigation.--[[User:U28580205|U28580205]] ([[User talk:U28580205|talk]]) 08:31, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
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::::: I updated the whole US tree but I do not have vehicles at BR 6.7 and above upgraded so I still reported the discrepancies I noticed at those tiers but I can't confirm them. --[[User:U44629479|U44629479]] ([[User talk:U44629479|talk]]) 14:31, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
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:::::: Thanks for all your hard work! But how do you know they are discrepancies if you don't have them spaded? -[[User:U38088265|U38088265]] ([[User talk:U38088265|talk]]) 15:08, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
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::::::: Based on the numbers that were in the wiki already, the fact that many tanks use the same engine (M60 family, M1 family, etc.) and the fact that the difference between HP Stock and Upgraded is a multiplier of around 1.23. But feel free to recheck the end of the list or have it rechecked by someone owning the tanks. I have everything spaded until BR 6.3 included (and also the T30). --[[User:U44629479|U44629479]] ([[User talk:U44629479|talk]]) 15:42, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
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:::::::: I've noticed that [[User:U8741044]] removes the mobility tables from tank articles. it was already done for 2 articles: [[M11/39]] & [[47/32_L40]]. It went unnoticed because he sets his own modifications as approved. --[[User:U44629479|U44629479]] ([[User talk:U44629479|talk]]) 20:47, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
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@Colok could you recheck your values for the [[R3 T106 FA]]? I don't have the vehicle so I don't what the specs are spaded, but my stock rb is 84 hp instead of your 115 hp... - [[User:U38088265|U38088265]] ([[User talk:U38088265|talk]]) 00:07, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
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: I confused HP and km/h even though I checked it twice because it seemed weird, I corrected it on the R3 T106 FA's page and removed it from the table above. --[[User:U44629479|U44629479]] ([[User talk:U44629479|talk]]) 09:16, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
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== Naval weapons charts ==
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 +
Few days back I added Penetration statistics and Shell details to [[:3 inch Mk.33 (76 mm)|3 inch Mk.33 (76 mm)]]. I want to ask If that is right way or I should add it directly to correct armament section on vehicle page that is using it? Same like tanks. Thanks -[[User:U6133915|U6133915]] ([[User talk:U6133915|talk]]) 07:03, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
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: I don't see any harm in adding to both pages. The weapon pages are designed to be a more detailed overview of the weapon, but it's still useful information to be able to see when looking at a specific vehicle. The only problem I could see is if the ship has large amounts of different secondary/anti-air armaments, in which case the tables may overly bloat the page, but that shouldn't apply to the large majority of vehicles. -[[User:U38088265|U38088265]] ([[User talk:U38088265|talk]]) 10:17, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
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== Creating a category ==
 +
 +
I'd like to create a category: Multi-turreted tanks. Is it OK? How do I do to create such a category? (I tried adding it to an article, thinking it would de facto create a category page). --[[User:U44629479|U44629479]] ([[User talk:U44629479|talk]]) 15:24, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 +
: Hello Colok. Vehicle categories should already be automatically inputted into the page via the spec card template at the top. These categories represent what the vehicle is classified as in the game at the time. Creation of custom categories for these vehicle pages or branching existing ones vehicles that are not classified in those categories in the game are generally discouraged. However, the creation of a template table to categorize such vehicles is not out of the question, similar to how we have manufacturer template tables for plane. This can be arranged to have one created for multi-turreted tanks. If you have complications in making one, we can assist in having one made in the future. --[[User:U28580205|U28580205]] ([[User talk:U28580205|talk]]) 18:54, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
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:: Hello, thanks for the answer. I am fine with a simple Wiki page if categories must reflect in-game classification. --[[User:U44629479|U44629479]] ([[User talk:U44629479|talk]]) 19:41, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
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== Missile specifications tables ==
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 +
I made tables detailing on missile specifications, and you just removed them. Stop it. I'm trying to make the pages more informative, that's the whole f**king point of a wiki.
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== Harrier GR.1 ==
 +
 +
I edited the GR.1 in accordance with the new update, and you just removed them without warning. Stop doing this to other editors. It takes some time for an edit to solidify into the page, during which the page cannot be edited or the edits will be removed. Stop removing other editors' work, intentionally or unintentionally.
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-Thundrbird
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12.1.2021
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@Thundrbird
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Hello, DnaGonite is part of the war thunder wiki team. Please send me a forum PM and we can go over your edit. I will respond over the weekend, since I am currently very busy with real life. We need them to be as it is and not as if. The problem is their are a couple of issues with your edit, which are best explained in a PM. Don't worry we all make them, when we are new, we will show what we looking for & how to achieve it. 
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My forum is: https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/user/61578-patrioticalien/
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--[[User:U1619975|U1619975]] ([[User talk:U1619975|talk]]) 22:47, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
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== Germany flag ==
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Hello, I noticed you reverted my change on [[:File:Germany flag.png]] and wondered why? If you look closely in the game, it has changed to the version with the German war cross again. [[User:U112115441|U112115441]] ([[User talk:U112115441|talk]]) 13:13, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
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:Assuming I can change it back again, since you didn't answer yet? [[User:U112115441|U112115441]] ([[User talk:U112115441|talk]]) 22:04, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
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:: Hello, please do not change the flag images. They are one of the "official" aspects of the wiki, so should be kept as is unless changed by a moderator or similar. Many thanks, [[User:U38088265|U38088265]] ([[User talk:U38088265|talk]]) 22:19, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
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== American or British English? ==
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I noticed you reverted some of my changes and I was wondering if it's customary to use British English spellings on this Wiki, and if it officially states that somewhere on the Wiki? - [[User:U118804652|U118804652]] ([[User talk:U118804652|talk]]) 02:46, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
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: Hello, yes, British English (and metric measurements) is our standard on the wiki. Imperial equivalents can be added in parentheses if it would be useful to do so. - [[User:U38088265|U38088265]] ([[User talk:U38088265|talk]]) 08:05, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
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:: Hey again, can you point me to where it states that, by chance? Also, how did you add a signature, I'm new here, and frankly, just wanted to update that missile as it was changed (20G to 30G), but I'd love it if you could point me to the guide or something, for how to improve and know the shortcuts. - [[User:U118804652|U118804652]] ([[User talk:U118804652|talk]]) 16:28, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
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::: I'm not sure it's explicitly stated anywhere, it's simply what was adopted from the beginning and what we still maintain for consistency. To insert a user signature, you can use <code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code> (four tildes) which will be converted into the signature once the edit is saved. [[Help:Creating articles]] might help for any other pointers you ought to know, otherwise if you have any other questions feel free to ask. - [[User:U38088265|U38088265]] ([[User talk:U38088265|talk]]) 16:58, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
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== I sent you a message in the forum. Please read this. ==
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I sent you a message in the forum. Please read this.
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== Zrinyi II edit ==
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 +
Hi,
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Why did you get rid of the following section in the introduction of the Zrinyi II:
 +
"is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Hungarian tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}} in the Italian tech tree. It"
 +
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Also, why did you revert the name of the Zrinyi II's gun from "105 mm MÁVAG 40/43M" back to "105 mm Mavag 40/43M"? The correct name for it is "MÁVAG", as this is the name of the company that made the gun, also it's supposed to be in caps as it's an acronym. "Mavag" literally means nothing and is probably just the result of some dev being too lazy to name the gun properly.
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Regards, [[User:U68923840|U68923840]] ([[User talk:U68923840|talk]]) 21:33, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
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: Hello,
 +
: Description sections are currently being reworked into a new format, which in general consists of a "historical" paragraph and a "gameplay" paragraph, and does not include that sentence. Your contributions were compatible with the new format, so I removed the sentence.
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: The gun is named the 105 mm Mavag 40/43M in-game. If you believe this to be incorrect, please submit a bug report on the [https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder official Community Bug Reporting website].
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: Many thanks, [[User:U38088265|U38088265]] ([[User talk:U38088265|talk]]) 23:16, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
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== Radar Warning receiver ==
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Hi, do you think adding information about which radar uses which bands is useful? so you can figure out which radars are covered by which rwr?
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i made a example here https://wiki.warthunder.com/User:U30821137
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the problem is it takes very much space, so we need to find a way to make it smaller i guess?
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--[[User:U30821137|U30821137]] ([[User talk:U30821137|talk]]) 08:35, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
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Wow you already added all. Do you know what bands radars actually use? i found a website where many bands are actually communication or something like that? do radars in WT use all the possible bands? or if a RWR can see radio communication its not implemented ingame?
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--[[User:U30821137|U30821137]] ([[User talk:U30821137|talk]]) 18:02, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
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== revertion of my edit to Pz.II C and Pz.II C (DAK) ==
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i removed the line "Racks disappear after you've fired all magazines in the rack." as i checked and they still remain when ammo is empty.
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[[File:Pz.II C (DAK) ammo racks full.png|thumb|full]]
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[[File:PZ. II C (DAK) ammo racks empty.png|thumb|empty]]
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refer to the images on the right and undo your revert please, and next time check before undo-ing something.
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if i'm somehow incorrect - which i don't seem to be as they're still there, please clarify further; if i don't hear anything back and the revert remains i'll undo it myself in a weeks time.
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- kiyoakiwah, 09:48, 15th March 2024 (GMT)
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: Hi, thanks for reaching out. I would understand the "racks" in "racks disappear" to mean the 4/8 magazines in each ammo rack in this context, rather than the little metal bands (which is what I am assuming you refer to). In this case, "[Ammo] Racks disappear after you've fired all magazines in the rack" indicates that the entire ammo rack must be emptied before anything in the rack disappears (as opposed to magazines/shells disappearing individually or in sets as they are fired). I am also confident that this was the original intention of the sentence, as mentioning if/when the metal band disappears has very little relevance to the gameplay of the vehicle. - [[User:U38088265|U38088265]] ([[User talk:U38088265|talk]]) 10:43, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
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i think there's been a misunderstanding, the racks exclusively refer to the container of the shells/magazines (here - the little metal band) and individual ammo is just referred to normally? as far i know, most of the tanks in game (atleast at the start, i'm pretty new) will not update individual shells/magazines rather everything will disappear from the rack after it has been 'emptied'. so you could be on the last shell in the rack, however it will still show as being full. no wiki page i've seen has specifically detailed whether ammunition updates on a single shell/mag basis, however there are instances in the game where the container of the shells (the rack) will disappear - and it's probably there to highlight the visual discrepency with the rack itself (different from the visual discrepency in the table, which is for when the amount of ammunition in the rack doesn't line up with what's modelled.)
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[[File:Pz. 35 (t) missing ammo rack.png|thumb|gone]]
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https://wiki.warthunder.com/Pz.35(t)#Ammo_racks - example of racks completely disappearing after being emptied
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https://wiki.warthunder.com/15cm_sIG_33_B_Sfl#Ammo_racks - example of a tank (destroyer) for which shells disappear individually
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https://wiki.warthunder.com/Pz.III_F#Ammo_racks - redundant example of a tank for which the shells in the rack do not update for every shot
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if it were the other case, the phrasing of the sentence would be a little silly/unclear since it should be "ammo in the racks disappears only after you've fired all shots in the rack" or "ammo disappears on every reload" (something like that). both do not have any relevance to the gameplay of the vehicle, as you're not counting individual shots from your xray, and a lot of the tanks are modelled this way anyway.
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- kiyoakiwah, 12:14, 15th March 2024 (GMT)
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: We use "[ammo] racks" to refer to sets of shells in proximity that can be sensibly grouped as a single entity based on their order of disappearance, the groupings of which are indicated by the accompanying image. This often but does not always coincide with any modelling of "physical" shell storage in the x-ray view (i.e. metal bands, wet containers, carousels, etc), as in some cases ammo depletion may be modelled in such a way that, for example, half of a physical rack is used up and then it switches to another rack on the other side of the tank before returning to finish emptying the rack.
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: I don't have any statistics on how many vehicles have individual shells modelled rather than entire racks or sets of 2/4/etc, but I think it is reasonably common, to the point that it is essentially our de facto default state, and generally only exceptions (non-individual shells) are noted in text. You can see for yourself any vehicle's model system by seeing how many shells are highlighted when you hover over one of them in x-ray. In general, I think newer (in terms of addition to the game) vehicles and refreshed models tend to have shells modelled individually.
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: As far as I am aware, there are no cases where the shell storage disappears along with the shells. The Pz.35(t) is not a good example, because it does not have a shell storage system visible in x-ray to begin with; the shells might as well be free-floating. If you do find examples on the contrary (where the bands etc disappear along with the shells), feel free to let me know.
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: The sentence can certainly be rephrased and clarified.
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: As a side note, you can add a signature by inserting <code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code> (four tildes), which will be automatically expanded on saving to show your username and the timestamp.
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: - [[User:U38088265|U38088265]] ([[User talk:U38088265|talk]]) 14:20, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
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i guess it was a bit of ignorance, noobiness, ambiguous phrasing and bad luck (Pz. III F, Pz. 35 (t) entries) that led me to being incorrect, i apologize especially if i came off rude at first [usually my experiences with wiki moderators removing seemingly correct information have been quiete bad]. i went ahead and reverted the corrections/correct .III F.
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[[User:U168221799|U168221799]] ([[User talk:U168221799|talk]]) 15:43, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 15:44, 15 March 2024

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Hello, I've been using the Mobility Template Template:TankMobility lately but I've noticed a lot of discrepancies between in-game values and the wiki.


Discrepancies as of 08.03.20

US tree (finished)

Vehicle AB Engine upgraded Weight Date
In-game Wiki In-game Wiki
M13 MGMC 259 HP 282 HP
M3 GMC 259 HP 282 HP
M16 MGMC 259 HP 282 HP
M8 Greyhound 159 HP 210 HP
M10 GMC 717 HP 782 HP
LVT(A)(4) ZIS-2 (USA) 437 HP 477 HP
M6A1 1272 HP 1526 HP
M15A1 CGMC 259 HP 282 HP
M18 GMC 804 HP 878 HP
M4A3E2 795 HP 954 HP
M18 "Black Cat" 804 HP 878 HP
Cobra King 795 HP 954 HP
M4A3E2 (76) W 795 HP 954 HP
M19 518 HP 565 HP
M36 GMC 874 HP 954 HP
M56 350 HP 382 HP
T26E1-1 795 HP 954 HP
Super Hellcat 804 HP 878 HP
T34 1287 HP 1545 HP 65.8t 65.1t
T29 1224 HP 1469 HP
T30 1287 HP 1545 HP 65.8t 65.1t
T32 1228 HP 1469 HP
T32E1 1228 HP 1469 HP
M42 874 HP 954 HP
T95 874 HP 954 HP
T114 280 HP 305 HP
M103 1287 HP 1545 HP
M163 11.0t 11.2t
M247 1310 HP 1431 HP
XM-803 2356 HP 2385 HP
M1 Abrams 2533 HP 2898 HP
IPM1 2533 HP 2898 HP
M1A1 Abrams 2533 HP 2898 HP
ADATS 23.7t 25.0t
M1A2 Abrams 2533 HP 2898 HP

XM-1 (Chrysler) couldn't be checked in-game as it wasn't displayed at the time.

German tree (finished)

Vehicle AB Engine upgraded Weight
In-game Wiki In-game Wiki
Pz.III B 334 HP 477 HP
Flakpanzer I 100 HP 109 HP
Panzerjager I 175 HP 191 HP
Flakpanzer 38 262 HP 286 HP
Sd.Kfz.234/3 367 HP 401 HP
15cm sIG 33 B Sfl 271 HP 296 HP
Pz.III J 21.8t 21.3t
StuG III A 525 HP 572 HP
Pz.III J1 21.8t 21.3t
Sd.Kfz. 6/2 201 HP 219 HP
StuH 42 G 525 HP 572 HP
Sd.Kfz.234/4 367 HP 401 HP
Marder III 280 HP 305 HP
Marder III H 262 HP 286 HP
StuG III F 525 HP 572 HP
8,8 cm Flak 37 Sfl. 402 HP 439 HP 24.3t 25.0t
StuG III G 525 HP 572 HP
15 cm Pz.W.42 119 HP 130 HP
Dicker Max 315 HP 343 HP
Tiger H1 1033 HP 1240 HP
Wirbelwind 525 HP 572 HP
Jagdpanzer 38(t) 280 HP 305 HP
KV-IB (Germany) 954 HP 1145 HP
Sturer Emil 542 HP 591 HP
Tiger E 1133 HP 1336 HP
Ostwind 525 HP 572 HP
Jagdpanzer IV 525 HP 572 HP
KV II 754 (r) (Germany) 954 HP 1145 HP
Pz.Kpfw. Churchill (Germany) 556 HP 668 HP
Nashorn 525 HP 572 HP 24.3t 23.5t
Panzer IV/70(V) 525 HP 572 HP
Panzer IV/70(A) 525 HP 572 HP
Brummbar 463 HP 506 HP 27.8t 28.2t
VFW 630 HP 687 HP
KV I C 756 (r) (Germany) 954 HP 1145 HP
VK 45.01 (P) 984 HP 1183 HP
Tiger (Germany) 1033 HP 1240 HP
Waffentrager 245 HP 267 HP 16.3t 17.0t
Tiger II (P) 1113 HP 1336 HP
Ostwind II 525 HP 572 HP
Jagdpanther 1224 HP 1336 HP
Bfw. Jagdpanther 1224 HP 1336 HP
Tiger II (H) Sla.16 1191 HP 1431 HP
Tiger II (H) 1113 HP 1336 HP
Ferdinand 926 HP 1011 HP
Pz.Bef.Wg.VI P 841 HP 1011 HP
Flakpanzer 341 1048 HP 1145 HP
JPz 4-5 874 HP 954 HP
Kugelblitz 525 HP 572 HP
Jagdtiger 1224 HP 1336 HP
Tiger II (10.5 cm Kw.K) 1431 HP 1717 HP
E-100 1431 HP 1717 HP
Maus 1905 HP 2290 HP
RakJPz 2 874 HP 954 HP
RakJPz 2 (HOT) 874 HP 954 HP
Gepard 1450 HP 1584 HP
VT1-2  ???? HP 4197 HP
Leopard 2K 2500 HP 2862 HP
Leopard 2A4 2500 HP 2862 HP
Leopard 2A5 2500 HP 2862 HP
FlaRakPz 1 1048 HP 1145 HP

M4 748 (a) (Germany) couldn't be checked in-game as it wasn't displayed at the time.

Soviet tree (finished)

Vehicle AB Engine upgraded Weight Date
In-game Wiki In-game Wiki
BT-5 487 HP 696 HP
SU-5-1 157 HP 172 HP
GAZ-AAA (4M) 100 HP 109 HP
GAZ-AAA (DShK) 100 HP 109 HP
T-35 795 HP 954 HP
SU-57 259 HP 282 HP
BM-8-24 133 HP 145 HP
T-III (USSR) 21.8t 21.3t
ZiS-30 87 HP 95 HP
GAZ-MM (72-K) 100 HP 109 HP
BM-13N 164 HP 179 HP
KV-1 (L-11) 954 HP 1145 HP
SU-76M 245 HP 267 HP
BTR-152A 192 HP 210 HP
SU-76M (5th Gv.Kav.Corps) 245 HP 267 HP
KV-1S 954 HP 1145 HP 41.4t 42.5t
SU-122 874 HP 954 HP
ZiS-12 (94-KM) 122 HP 134 HP 3.0t 7.0t
MK-II "Matilda" (USSR) 302 HP 363 HP
ZUT-37 297 HP 324 HP
SU-85A 245 HP 267 HP
SMK 1351 HP 1622 HP
KV-1 (ZiS-5) 954 HP 1145 HP
ASU-57 96 HP 105 HP
SU-57B 182 HP 198 HP
YaG-10 (29-K) 164 HP 177 HP
KV-2 (1940) 954 HP 1145 HP
KV-2 (1939) 954 HP 1145 HP
KV-85 954 HP 1145 HP
SU-85 874 HP 954 HP
SU-85M 874 HP 954 HP
ZiS-43 157 HP 172 HP
SU-100Y 1486 HP 162 HP
IS-1 827 HP 992 HP
SU-152 1049 HP 1145 HP
KV-2 (ZiS-6) 954 HP 1145 HP
KV-1E 954 HP 1145 HP
Type 65 (USSR) 874 HP 954 HP
KV-220 1351 HP 1622 HP
ISU-152 909 HP 992 HP
ZSU-37 245 HP 267 HP
KV-122 827 HP 992 HP

T-34 (Prototype) couldn't be checked in-game as it wasn't displayed at the time.

T-34 (1st Gv.T.Br.) couldn't be checked in-game as it wasn't displayed at the time.

T-34-85E couldn't be checked in-game as it wasn't displayed at the time.


Discrepancies in progress
Vehicle AB Engine upgraded Weight Date
In-game Wiki In-game Wiki
IS-2 827 HP 992 HP 09.03.2020
IS-2 (1944) 827 HP 992 HP 09.03.2020
ASU-85 367 HP 401 HP 09.03.2020
ISU-122 909 HP 992 HP 09.03.2020
ISU-122S 909 HP 992 HP 09.03.2020
SU-100P 699 HP 763 HP 09.03.2020
SU-100 874 HP 954 HP 09.03.2020
SU-122P 874 HP 954 HP 09.03.2020
IS-2 "Revenge" 827 HP 992 HP 09.03.2020
Type 62 (USSR) 20.5t 20.3t 09.03.2020
IS-6 1113 HP 1336 HP 51.1t 51.4t 09.03.2020
IS-3 827 HP 992 HP 10.03.2020
SU-122-54 909 HP 992 HP 10.03.2020
ZSU-57-2 909 HP 992 HP 10.03.2020
Object 120 839 HP 916 HP 26.8t 27.0t 10.03.2020
IS-7 1669 HP 2003 HP 10.03.2020
IS-4M 1192 HP 1431 HP 10.03.2020
Object 268 1310 HP 1431 HP 10.03.2020
T-10M 1192 HP 1431 HP 11.03.2020
Object 906 14.8t 15.0t 11.03.2020
ZSU-23-4 490 HP 534 HP 20.7t 21.0t 11.03.2020
BMP-2 14.0t 13.2t 11.03.2020
Shturm-S 420 HP 458 HP 11.03.2020
T-64B 40.1t 39.0t 11.03.2020
T-72A 41.0t 40.2t 11.03.2020
T-80B 42.5t 42.0t 11.03.2020
ZPRK 2S6 1240 HP 1355 HP 34.6t 34.0t 11.03.2020

The weight discrepancy for BMP-2, T-64B, T-72A and T-80B comes from the fact that the add-on armor weight is removed twice. The add-on armor weight is most likely not counted in the total weight of the vehicle.

British tree (finished)

Vehicle AB Engine upgraded Weight Date
In-game Wiki In-game Wiki
Mk.VIA AA 154 HP 168 HP 11.03.2020
Daimler AC Mk.II 137 HP 181 HP 12.03.2020
T17E2 339 HP 370 HP 12.03.2020
Independent 588 HP 706 HP 32.0t 31.7t 12.03.2020
Matilda III 302 HP 363 HP 12.03.2020
AC Mk II AA 276 HP 301 HP 12.03.2020
Cromwell Mk.V (RP-3) 28.2t 28.4t 12.03.2020
3 inch Gun Carrier 612 HP 668 HP 12.03.2020
Churchill Mk I 556 HP 668 HP 12.03.2020
Archer 336 HP 366 HP 12.03.2020
Churchill Mk III 556 HP 668 HP 12.03.2020
Achilles 717 HP 782 HP 12.03.2020
Crusader AA Mk II 595 HP 649 HP 12.03.2020
Churchill Mk VII 556 HP 668 HP 12.03.2020
Excelsior 997 HP 1198 HP 12.03.2020
QF 3.7 Ram 699 HP 763 HP 12.03.2020
FV4202 37.0t 37.2t 12.03.2020
Charioteer Mk VII 1049 HP 1145 HP 12.03.2020
Crusader AA Mk I 595 HP 649 HP 12.03.2020
Black Prince 556 HP 668 HP 12.03.2020
Caernarvon 1287 HP 1545 HP 12.03.2020
Tortoise 1137 HP 1240 HP 12.03.2020
FV4005 1137 HP 1240 HP 59.5t 60.0t 12.03.2020
Conway 1110 HP 1212 HP 13.03.2020
Falcon 372 HP 406 HP 13.03.2020
Conqueror 1287 HP 1545 HP 13.03.2020
Swingfire 420 HP 458 HP 15.9t 16.2t 13.03.2020
Chieftain Marksman 1328 HP 1450 HP 13.03.2020
Rooikat 105 991 HP 1082 HP 19.03.2020
Vickers Mk.7 2500 HP 2862 HP 13.03.2020
Striker 332 HP 363 HP 13.03.2020
Challenger Mk.3 65.5t 65.0t 13.03.2020
Challenger 2 62.5t 61.4t 13.03.2020
Stormer HVM 437 HP 477 HP 13.03.2020

Achilles (65 Rg.) couldn't be checked in-game as it wasn't displayed at the time.

Black Prince couldn't be checked in-game as it wasn't displayed at the time.

The weight discrepancy for Challenger 2 comes from the fact that the add-on armor weight is removed twice. The add-on armor weight is most likely not counted in the total weight of the vehicle.

Japanese tree (finished)

Vehicle AB Engine upgraded Weight Date
In-game Wiki In-game Wiki
Ha-Go 160 HP 229 HP 15.03.2020
I-Go Ko 11.1t 11.5t 15.03.2020
Ho-Ro 297 HP 324 HP 14.8t 15.0t 15.03.2020
Type 94 119 HP 130 HP 15.03.2020
Ha-Go Commander 160 HP 229 HP 15.03.2020
Ke-Ni 173 HP 248 HP 7.0t 7.2t 15.03.2020
Chi-Ha 14.8t 15.0t 15.03.2020
Ro-Go 461 HP 553 HP 15.03.2020
Ka-Mi 153 HP 219 HP 15.03.2020
Chi-Ha Kai 14.8t 15.0t 15.03.2020
Ho-Ni I 14.8t 15.0t 16.03.2020
Ta-Se 168 HP 248 HP 7.0t 7.2t 16.03.2020
Chi-Ha Short Gun 14.8t 15.0t 16.03.2020
Ho-Ni III 297 HP 324 HP 16.8t 17.0t 16.03.2020
Na-To 289 HP 315 HP 18.03.2020
So-Ki 168 HP 248 HP 7.0t 7.2t 18.03.2020
Chi-Nu II 19.8t 20.0t 18.03.2020
Heavy Tank No.6 (Japan) 1113 HP 1336 HP 18.03.2020
ST-A1 34.2t 34.0t 18.03.2020
ST-A2 34.2t 34.0t 18.03.2020
Ho-Ri Production 1924 HP 2099 HP 18.03.2020
M42 (Japan) 874 HP 954 HP 18.03.2020
Ho-Ri Prototype 961 HP 1049 HP 18.03.2020
Type 60 SPRG (C) 262 HP 286 HP 7.7t 8.0t 18.03.2020
Type 60 ATM 385 HP 420 HP 18.03.2020
STB-1 37.8t 38.0t 18.03.2020
Type 75 SPH 786 HP 859 HP 18.03.2020
Type 75 MLRS 525 HP 572 HP 18.03.2020
Type 87 1259 HP 1374 HP 18.03.2020
Type 74G 37.3t 38.5t 18.03.2020
Type 90 2500 HP 2862 HP 18.03.2020
Type 16 997 HP 1088 HP 18.03.2020
Type 90 (B) 2500 HP 2862 HP 18.03.2020

Heavy Tank No.6 (Japan) couldn't be checked in-game as it wasn't displayed at the time.

Ho-Ri Prototype couldn't be checked in-game as it wasn't displayed at the time.

Italian tree (finished)

Vehicle AB Engine upgraded Weight Date
In-game Wiki In-game Wiki
M13/40 (I) 13.6t 14.0t 19.03.2020
M13/40 (III) 13.6t 14.0t 19.03.2020
AS42 192 HP 210 HP 19.03.2020
L3/33 CC 75 HP 82 HP 19.03.2020
M13/40 (II) 13.6t 14.0t 19.03.2020
47/32 L40 119 HP 130 HP 19.03.2020
M42 (Italy) 324 HP 353 HP 20.03.2020
75/18 M41 280 HP 305 HP 20.03.2020
75/32 M41 280 HP 305 HP 20.03.2020
90/53 M41M 280 HP 305 HP 20.03.2020
75/34 M42 324 HP 353 HP 20.03.2020
Breda 501 248 HP 271 HP 20.03.2020
R3 T20 FA-HS 166 HP 181 HP 20.03.2020
105/25 M43 324 HP 353 HP 20.03.2020
M43 "G.C.Leoncello" 324 HP 353 HP 20.03.2020
75/34 M43 324 HP 353 HP 20.03.2020
75/46 M43 324 HP 353 HP 20.03.2020
FIAT 6614 8.2t 8.5t 20.03.2020
M36B1 786 HP 859 HP 20.03.2020
AUBL/74 8.2t 8.5t 20.03.2020
SIDAM 25 371 HP 404 HP 20.03.2020
M113A1 (TOW) 376 HP 410 HP 20.03.2020
Centauro 909 HP 992 HP 25.0t 27.0t 20.03.2020
Centauro ROMOR 909 HP 992 HP 28.0t 30.0t 20.03.2020
OTOMATIC 1451 HP 1584 HP 20.03.2020
Ariete (P) 2167 HP 2480 HP 53.0t 53.8t 20.03.2020
Centauro MGS 909 HP 992 HP 25.0t 27.0t 20.03.2020
Ariete 2167 HP 2480 HP 52.0+1.0t 53.8t 20.03.2020
SIDAM 25 (Mistral) 371 HP 404 HP 20.03.2020
Ariete PSO 2167 HP 2480 HP 20.03.2020

M60A1 "D.C.Ariete" couldn't be checked in-game as it wasn't displayed at the time.

French tree (finished)

Vehicle AB Engine upgraded Weight Date
In-game Wiki In-game Wiki
AMC.34 YR 160 HP 229 HP 21.03.2020
H.35 100 HP 143 HP 21.03.2020
P.7.T AA 35 HP 38 HP 21.03.2020
AMR.35 ZT3 143 HP 156 HP 21.03.2020
H.39 "Cambronne" 160 HP 229 HP 21.03.2020
H.39 160 HP 229 HP 21.03.2020
R.35 (SA38) 109 HP 156 HP 21.03.2020
AMC.35 (ACG.1) 240 HP 343 HP 21.03.2020
B1 bis 488 HP 586 HP 21.03.2020
SAu 40 332 HP 363 HP 21.03.2020
B1 ter 556 HP 668 HP 21.03.2020
M10 GMC (France) 717 HP 782 HP 21.03.2020
ARL-44 (ACL-1) 954 HP 1145 HP 21.03.2020
CCKW 353 AA 164 HP 179 HP 21.03.2020
ARL-44 1049 HP 1145 HP 21.03.2020
Lorraine 155 Mle.50 787 HP 859 HP 21.03.2020
M4A3E2 (France) 795 HP 954 HP 21.03.2020
AMX-13 DCA 40 372 HP 515 HP 22.03.2020
CA Lorraine 1198 HP 1307 HP 22.03.2020
AMX-50 Surbaisse 1351 HP 1622 HP 22.03.2020
AMX-30 DCA 1224 HP 1336 HP 22.03.2020
AMX-50 Foch 1748 HP 1908 HP 22.03.2020
AMX 50 Surblinde 1590 HP 1908 HP 22.03.2020
AMX-10RC 490 HP 534 HP 22.03.2020
Leclerc 53.7t 54.6t 22.03.2020
Roland 1 1260 HP 1374 HP 22.03.2020

Chinese tree (finished)

Vehicle AB Engine upgraded Weight Date
In-game Wiki In-game Wiki
M8 LAC (China) 159 HP 210 HP 22.03.2020
M8 HMC (China) 518 HP 565 HP 22.03.2020
Chi-Ha (China) 14.8t 15.0t 22.03.2020
LVT(A)(4) (ZiS-2) (China) 437 HP 477 HP 22.03.2020
Chi-Ha Kai (China) 14.8t 15.0t 22.03.2020
SU-76M (China) 245 HP 267 HP 22.03.2020
T-34 (1943) (China) 29.8t 30.0t 22.03.2020
M10 (China) 717 HP 782 HP 22.03.2020
Type 65 874 HP 954 HP 23.03.2020
M18 (China) 804 HP 878 HP 23.03.2020
ISU-152 (China) 909 HP 992 HP 23.03.2020
IS-2 (China) 827 HP 992 HP 23.03.2020
M42 (China) 874 HP 954 HP 23.03.2020
ISU-122 (China) 909 HP 992 HP 23.03.2020
Type 62 20.2t 20.5t 23.03.2020
IS-2 mod.1944 (China) 827 HP 992 HP 23.03.2020
M36 (China) 874 HP 954 HP 23.03.2020
IS-2 No.402 827 HP 992 HP 23.03.2020
SU-100 (China) 874 HP 954 HP 23.03.2020
WZ305 1015 HP 1107 HP 23.03.2020
M113A1 (TOW) (China) 377 HP 410 HP 23.03.2020
CM11 50.4t 54.0t 23.03.2020

Swedish tree (finished)

Vehicle AB Engine upgraded Weight Date
In-game Wiki In-game Wiki
Pvlvv fm/42 149 HP 162 HP 24.03.2020
fm/43-44 280 HP 305 HP 24.03.2020
Ikv 72 254 HP 277 HP 24.03.2020
Lago I 17.8t 18.0t 24.03.2020
Lvtdgb m/40 245 HP 267 HP 24.03.2020
Sav m/43 (1944) 280 HP 305 HP 24.03.2020
SAV 20.12.48 699 HP 763 HP 24.03.2020
Sav m/43 (1946) 249 HP 305 HP 24.03.2020
Pvkv II 288 HP 315 HP 24.03.2020
L-62 ANTI II 252 HP 275 HP 24.03.2020
Pvkv m/43 (1946) 716 HP 782 HP 24.03.2020
Ikv 103 234 HP 286 HP 24.03.2020
Lvkv 42 350 HP 384 HP 24.03.2020
Pvkv m/43 (1963) 566 HP 618 HP 24.03.2020
U-SH 405 158 HP 172 HP 24.03.2020
VEAK 40 944 HP 1030 HP 24.03.2020
UDES 33 262 HP 286 HP 24.03.2020
Strv 103-0 900 HP 1030 HP 24.03.2020
Strv 103A 900 HP 1030 HP 24.03.2020
Strv 103С 1300 HP 1488 HP 24.03.2020
Lvrbv 701 238 HP 259 HP 24.03.2020
Pvrbv 551 238 HP 259 HP 24.03.2020
Strv 121 2500 HP 2862 HP 24.03.2020
Lvkv 90C 961 HP 1049 HP 24.03.2020
Strv 122 2500 HP 2862 HP 24.03.2020

Is there a way to correct that? --Colok76286 (talk) 20:29, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello. The R3 T106 FA discrepancy is due to a difference in rounding strategies between the wiki and the game. Any values that are automatically inserted and seem to be off by +- 1 on the last digit are likely just rounding errors, and I'm not sure how much can be done to remedy them. As for the other values, I will see if we can get the database maintainer to check/correct the values. Could you check your values for M4 Tipo IC, as they don't seem to agree with either the game or the wiki. -DnaGonite (talk) 22:22, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
My bad, it was the Breda 501 and not the M4 tipo Ic. --Colok76286 (talk) 22:52, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
I added the next discrepancies I found to the list. HP values are for Arcade Spaded. --Colok76286 (talk) 13:49, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
This is the guy in charge of the numbers User:VolgaIgor--blastedryan (talk) 00:23, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
There's nothing wrong with continuing updating the list here, however (unless DnaGonite is getting annoyed by the new talk notifications). The list has already been forwarded for investigation.--Inceptor57 (talk) 08:31, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
I updated the whole US tree but I do not have vehicles at BR 6.7 and above upgraded so I still reported the discrepancies I noticed at those tiers but I can't confirm them. --Colok76286 (talk) 14:31, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for all your hard work! But how do you know they are discrepancies if you don't have them spaded? -DnaGonite (talk) 15:08, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
Based on the numbers that were in the wiki already, the fact that many tanks use the same engine (M60 family, M1 family, etc.) and the fact that the difference between HP Stock and Upgraded is a multiplier of around 1.23. But feel free to recheck the end of the list or have it rechecked by someone owning the tanks. I have everything spaded until BR 6.3 included (and also the T30). --Colok76286 (talk) 15:42, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
I've noticed that User:Oxygen_Thief removes the mobility tables from tank articles. it was already done for 2 articles: M11/39 & 47/32_L40. It went unnoticed because he sets his own modifications as approved. --Colok76286 (talk) 20:47, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

@Colok could you recheck your values for the R3 T106 FA? I don't have the vehicle so I don't what the specs are spaded, but my stock rb is 84 hp instead of your 115 hp... - DnaGonite (talk) 00:07, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

I confused HP and km/h even though I checked it twice because it seemed weird, I corrected it on the R3 T106 FA's page and removed it from the table above. --Colok76286 (talk) 09:16, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Naval weapons charts

Few days back I added Penetration statistics and Shell details to 3 inch Mk.33 (76 mm). I want to ask If that is right way or I should add it directly to correct armament section on vehicle page that is using it? Same like tanks. Thanks -Vianočka (talk) 07:03, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

I don't see any harm in adding to both pages. The weapon pages are designed to be a more detailed overview of the weapon, but it's still useful information to be able to see when looking at a specific vehicle. The only problem I could see is if the ship has large amounts of different secondary/anti-air armaments, in which case the tables may overly bloat the page, but that shouldn't apply to the large majority of vehicles. -DnaGonite (talk) 10:17, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Creating a category

I'd like to create a category: Multi-turreted tanks. Is it OK? How do I do to create such a category? (I tried adding it to an article, thinking it would de facto create a category page). --Colok76286 (talk) 15:24, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello Colok. Vehicle categories should already be automatically inputted into the page via the spec card template at the top. These categories represent what the vehicle is classified as in the game at the time. Creation of custom categories for these vehicle pages or branching existing ones vehicles that are not classified in those categories in the game are generally discouraged. However, the creation of a template table to categorize such vehicles is not out of the question, similar to how we have manufacturer template tables for plane. This can be arranged to have one created for multi-turreted tanks. If you have complications in making one, we can assist in having one made in the future. --Inceptor57 (talk) 18:54, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Hello, thanks for the answer. I am fine with a simple Wiki page if categories must reflect in-game classification. --Colok76286 (talk) 19:41, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Missile specifications tables

I made tables detailing on missile specifications, and you just removed them. Stop it. I'm trying to make the pages more informative, that's the whole f**king point of a wiki.

Harrier GR.1

I edited the GR.1 in accordance with the new update, and you just removed them without warning. Stop doing this to other editors. It takes some time for an edit to solidify into the page, during which the page cannot be edited or the edits will be removed. Stop removing other editors' work, intentionally or unintentionally. -Thundrbird 12.1.2021

@Thundrbird Hello, DnaGonite is part of the war thunder wiki team. Please send me a forum PM and we can go over your edit. I will respond over the weekend, since I am currently very busy with real life. We need them to be as it is and not as if. The problem is their are a couple of issues with your edit, which are best explained in a PM. Don't worry we all make them, when we are new, we will show what we looking for & how to achieve it.

My forum is: https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/user/61578-patrioticalien/

--patrioticalien (talk) 22:47, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Germany flag

Hello, I noticed you reverted my change on File:Germany flag.png and wondered why? If you look closely in the game, it has changed to the version with the German war cross again. KammRobert51 (talk) 13:13, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Assuming I can change it back again, since you didn't answer yet? KammRobert51 (talk) 22:04, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello, please do not change the flag images. They are one of the "official" aspects of the wiki, so should be kept as is unless changed by a moderator or similar. Many thanks, DnaGonite (talk) 22:19, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

American or British English?

I noticed you reverted some of my changes and I was wondering if it's customary to use British English spellings on this Wiki, and if it officially states that somewhere on the Wiki? - OfficialMorata (talk) 02:46, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, yes, British English (and metric measurements) is our standard on the wiki. Imperial equivalents can be added in parentheses if it would be useful to do so. - DnaGonite (talk) 08:05, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Hey again, can you point me to where it states that, by chance? Also, how did you add a signature, I'm new here, and frankly, just wanted to update that missile as it was changed (20G to 30G), but I'd love it if you could point me to the guide or something, for how to improve and know the shortcuts. - OfficialMorata (talk) 16:28, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
I'm not sure it's explicitly stated anywhere, it's simply what was adopted from the beginning and what we still maintain for consistency. To insert a user signature, you can use ~~~~ (four tildes) which will be converted into the signature once the edit is saved. Help:Creating articles might help for any other pointers you ought to know, otherwise if you have any other questions feel free to ask. - DnaGonite (talk) 16:58, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

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Zrinyi II edit

Hi,

Why did you get rid of the following section in the introduction of the Zrinyi II: "is a rank Hungarian tank destroyer with a battle rating of (AB), (RB), and (SB) in the Italian tech tree. It"

Also, why did you revert the name of the Zrinyi II's gun from "105 mm MÁVAG 40/43M" back to "105 mm Mavag 40/43M"? The correct name for it is "MÁVAG", as this is the name of the company that made the gun, also it's supposed to be in caps as it's an acronym. "Mavag" literally means nothing and is probably just the result of some dev being too lazy to name the gun properly.

Regards, Victory_799@psn (talk) 21:33, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello,
Description sections are currently being reworked into a new format, which in general consists of a "historical" paragraph and a "gameplay" paragraph, and does not include that sentence. Your contributions were compatible with the new format, so I removed the sentence.
The gun is named the 105 mm Mavag 40/43M in-game. If you believe this to be incorrect, please submit a bug report on the official Community Bug Reporting website.
Many thanks, DnaGonite (talk) 23:16, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Radar Warning receiver

Hi, do you think adding information about which radar uses which bands is useful? so you can figure out which radars are covered by which rwr? i made a example here https://wiki.warthunder.com/User:U30821137 the problem is it takes very much space, so we need to find a way to make it smaller i guess? --PolnischerBandit (talk) 08:35, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Wow you already added all. Do you know what bands radars actually use? i found a website where many bands are actually communication or something like that? do radars in WT use all the possible bands? or if a RWR can see radio communication its not implemented ingame? --PolnischerBandit (talk) 18:02, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

revertion of my edit to Pz.II C and Pz.II C (DAK)

i removed the line "Racks disappear after you've fired all magazines in the rack." as i checked and they still remain when ammo is empty.

full
empty

refer to the images on the right and undo your revert please, and next time check before undo-ing something.

if i'm somehow incorrect - which i don't seem to be as they're still there, please clarify further; if i don't hear anything back and the revert remains i'll undo it myself in a weeks time.

- kiyoakiwah, 09:48, 15th March 2024 (GMT)

Hi, thanks for reaching out. I would understand the "racks" in "racks disappear" to mean the 4/8 magazines in each ammo rack in this context, rather than the little metal bands (which is what I am assuming you refer to). In this case, "[Ammo] Racks disappear after you've fired all magazines in the rack" indicates that the entire ammo rack must be emptied before anything in the rack disappears (as opposed to magazines/shells disappearing individually or in sets as they are fired). I am also confident that this was the original intention of the sentence, as mentioning if/when the metal band disappears has very little relevance to the gameplay of the vehicle. - DnaGonite (talk) 10:43, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

i think there's been a misunderstanding, the racks exclusively refer to the container of the shells/magazines (here - the little metal band) and individual ammo is just referred to normally? as far i know, most of the tanks in game (atleast at the start, i'm pretty new) will not update individual shells/magazines rather everything will disappear from the rack after it has been 'emptied'. so you could be on the last shell in the rack, however it will still show as being full. no wiki page i've seen has specifically detailed whether ammunition updates on a single shell/mag basis, however there are instances in the game where the container of the shells (the rack) will disappear - and it's probably there to highlight the visual discrepency with the rack itself (different from the visual discrepency in the table, which is for when the amount of ammunition in the rack doesn't line up with what's modelled.)

gone

https://wiki.warthunder.com/Pz.35(t)#Ammo_racks - example of racks completely disappearing after being emptied https://wiki.warthunder.com/15cm_sIG_33_B_Sfl#Ammo_racks - example of a tank (destroyer) for which shells disappear individually

https://wiki.warthunder.com/Pz.III_F#Ammo_racks - redundant example of a tank for which the shells in the rack do not update for every shot

if it were the other case, the phrasing of the sentence would be a little silly/unclear since it should be "ammo in the racks disappears only after you've fired all shots in the rack" or "ammo disappears on every reload" (something like that). both do not have any relevance to the gameplay of the vehicle, as you're not counting individual shots from your xray, and a lot of the tanks are modelled this way anyway.

- kiyoakiwah, 12:14, 15th March 2024 (GMT)

We use "[ammo] racks" to refer to sets of shells in proximity that can be sensibly grouped as a single entity based on their order of disappearance, the groupings of which are indicated by the accompanying image. This often but does not always coincide with any modelling of "physical" shell storage in the x-ray view (i.e. metal bands, wet containers, carousels, etc), as in some cases ammo depletion may be modelled in such a way that, for example, half of a physical rack is used up and then it switches to another rack on the other side of the tank before returning to finish emptying the rack.
I don't have any statistics on how many vehicles have individual shells modelled rather than entire racks or sets of 2/4/etc, but I think it is reasonably common, to the point that it is essentially our de facto default state, and generally only exceptions (non-individual shells) are noted in text. You can see for yourself any vehicle's model system by seeing how many shells are highlighted when you hover over one of them in x-ray. In general, I think newer (in terms of addition to the game) vehicles and refreshed models tend to have shells modelled individually.
As far as I am aware, there are no cases where the shell storage disappears along with the shells. The Pz.35(t) is not a good example, because it does not have a shell storage system visible in x-ray to begin with; the shells might as well be free-floating. If you do find examples on the contrary (where the bands etc disappear along with the shells), feel free to let me know.
The sentence can certainly be rephrased and clarified.
As a side note, you can add a signature by inserting ~~~~ (four tildes), which will be automatically expanded on saving to show your username and the timestamp.
- DnaGonite (talk) 14:20, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

i guess it was a bit of ignorance, noobiness, ambiguous phrasing and bad luck (Pz. III F, Pz. 35 (t) entries) that led me to being incorrect, i apologize especially if i came off rude at first [usually my experiences with wiki moderators removing seemingly correct information have been quiete bad]. i went ahead and reverted the corrections/correct .III F.

kiyoakiwah (talk) 15:43, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

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