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| − | The Su-11 can easily be one of the best aircraft at its BR, especially when piloted by an experienced -- or at least knowledgeable -- player. Her primary strength is her excellent acceleration, relative to other contemporary jets. She also has excellent energy retention (ER) and average to good | + | The Su-11 can easily be one of the best aircraft at its BR, especially when piloted by an experienced -- or at least knowledgeable -- player. Her primary strength is her excellent acceleration, relative to other contemporary jets. She also has excellent energy retention (ER) and average to good manouvering energy retention (MER). |
In general, the best tactic with the Su-11 is to play to her strengths, as with any vehicle; In the Su-11's case, particularly her acceleration and ER can be exploited. Take off from the airfield, and level out quickly. Don't bother gaining initial altitude, jet engines -- particularly early jet engines -- accelerate better at sea level. Turn at least 30 degrees away from the center of the map, and build up speed. You'll want to build up to about 725 kph - 805 kph (450 mph to 500 mph), and then place the aircraft into a 20-30 degree zoom climb (steady-state climbing is possible in this aircraft, but like most early jets, zoom climbing is most efficient). This will take you well above 3.5 km, usually closer to 5 km. Dive on unsuspecting enemies, particularly aircraft that don't maneuver well, and once they're destroyed, begin a 20-30 degree zoom climb to regain your lost altitude. Your ER is excellent, and you can typically regain all your lost altitude, if not gain on top of it. | In general, the best tactic with the Su-11 is to play to her strengths, as with any vehicle; In the Su-11's case, particularly her acceleration and ER can be exploited. Take off from the airfield, and level out quickly. Don't bother gaining initial altitude, jet engines -- particularly early jet engines -- accelerate better at sea level. Turn at least 30 degrees away from the center of the map, and build up speed. You'll want to build up to about 725 kph - 805 kph (450 mph to 500 mph), and then place the aircraft into a 20-30 degree zoom climb (steady-state climbing is possible in this aircraft, but like most early jets, zoom climbing is most efficient). This will take you well above 3.5 km, usually closer to 5 km. Dive on unsuspecting enemies, particularly aircraft that don't maneuver well, and once they're destroyed, begin a 20-30 degree zoom climb to regain your lost altitude. Your ER is excellent, and you can typically regain all your lost altitude, if not gain on top of it. | ||
| − | Usually enemies on your tail can at least be out-accelerated, which causes most players to lose interest in you and break off the chase, even if their aircraft's top speed is higher than yours. Use this to your advantage. | + | Usually enemies on your tail can at least be out-accelerated, which causes most players to lose interest in you and break off the chase, even if their aircraft's top speed is higher than yours. Use this to your advantage. Manouverability is average, but certainly not poor. The Su-11's MER is excellent, however. If forced to dogfight and opponent whose vehicle has similar maneuverability, simply drain them of their energy with long, sweeping movements. |
While the Su-11's armament packs a punch, excellent marksmanship is an absolute necessity. Her cannon's low ammo pool (x200 23 mm rounds, x30 37 mm rounds, 230 rounds total) is compounded by a relatively low rate of fire (on both cannons), and the rounds are also relatively low velocity (especially the 37 mm round). However, the rounds are extremely powerful, with the 37 mm round able to destroy heavy bombers in 1-2 hits, and the 23 mm round able to destroy lighter aircraft with 1-2 hits. If you are not comfortable with the cannons, your best option is to get as close as possible before opening fire to ensure a kill. | While the Su-11's armament packs a punch, excellent marksmanship is an absolute necessity. Her cannon's low ammo pool (x200 23 mm rounds, x30 37 mm rounds, 230 rounds total) is compounded by a relatively low rate of fire (on both cannons), and the rounds are also relatively low velocity (especially the 37 mm round). However, the rounds are extremely powerful, with the 37 mm round able to destroy heavy bombers in 1-2 hits, and the 23 mm round able to destroy lighter aircraft with 1-2 hits. If you are not comfortable with the cannons, your best option is to get as close as possible before opening fire to ensure a kill. | ||
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== History == | == History == | ||
Revision as of 11:19, 22 May 2021
Contents
Description
The Su-11 is a premium rank V Soviet jet fighter with a battle rating of 7.7 (AB), 7.3 (RB), and 7.0 (SB). It was introduced in Update "Ixwa Strike".
General info
Flight performance
| Characteristics | Max Speed (km/h at 0 m - sea level) |
Max altitude (metres) |
Turn time (seconds) |
Rate of climb (metres/second) |
Take-off run (metres) | |||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| AB | RB | AB | RB | AB | RB | |||
| Stock | 917 | 892 | 13000 | 24.2 | 25.7 | 25.3 | 25.3 | 900 |
| Upgraded | 958 | 940 | 23.8 | 24.0 | 41.4 | 33.0 | ||
Details
| Features | |||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Combat flaps | Take-off flaps | Landing flaps | Air brakes | Arrestor gear | Drogue chute |
| ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | X | X | X |
| Limits | ||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Wings (km/h) | Gear (km/h) | Flaps (km/h) | Max Static G | |||
| Combat | Take-off | Landing | + | - | ||
| 1025 | 420 | 558 | 529 | 380 | ~11 | ~4 |
| Optimal velocities (km/h) | |||
|---|---|---|---|
| Ailerons | Rudder | Elevators | Radiator |
| < 480 | < 580 | < 660 | N/A |
Engine performance
| Engine | Aircraft mass | ||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Engine name | Number | Basic mass | Wing loading (full fuel) | ||||
| A.Lulka TR-1 | 2 | 4,752 kg | 297 kg/m2 | ||||
| Engine characteristics | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) | Max Takeoff Weight | |||||
| Weight (each) | Type | 10m fuel | 20m fuel | 30m fuel | 35m fuel | ||
| 760 kg | Axial-flow turbojet | 5,306 kg | 5,805 kg | 6,331 kg | 6,598 kg | 6,650 kg | |
| Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB) | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (100%) | ||||||
| Condition | 100% | WEP | 10m fuel | 20m fuel | 30m fuel | 35m fuel | MTOW |
| Stationary | 1,306 kgf | N/A | 0.49 | 0.45 | 0.41 | 0.40 | 0.39 |
| Optimal | 1,306 kgf (0 km/h) |
N/A | 0.49 | 0.45 | 0.41 | 0.40 | 0.39 |
Survivability and armour
- 6 mm steel above pilot's head
- 12 mm steel headrest
- 12 mm steel behind pilot
- 15 mm steel behind frontal fuel tank
- 15 mm steel in front of armament
- 90 mm bulletproof glass in front of pilot
- Self-sealing fuel tanks (1 cleaver-shaped one behind pilot, 1 cleaver-shaped one in front of pilot)
Modifications and economy
2 × 120 / 340 / 600 % 2 × 190 / 190 / 190 % | Flight performance | Survivability | Weaponry | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Armaments
Offensive armament
The Su-11 is armed with:
- 1 x 37 mm N-37 cannon, nose-mounted (30 rpg)
- 2 x 23 mm NS-23 cannons, nose-mounted (100 rpg = 200 total)
Suspended armament
The Su-11 can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
- Without load
- 1 x 250 kg FAB-250M-46 bomb (250 kg total)
- 2 x 250 kg FAB-250M-46 bombs (500 kg total)
- 1 x 500 kg FAB-500M-46 bomb (500 kg total)
Usage in battles
Air RB
The Su-11 can easily be one of the best aircraft at its BR, especially when piloted by an experienced -- or at least knowledgeable -- player. Her primary strength is her excellent acceleration, relative to other contemporary jets. She also has excellent energy retention (ER) and average to good manouvering energy retention (MER).
In general, the best tactic with the Su-11 is to play to her strengths, as with any vehicle; In the Su-11's case, particularly her acceleration and ER can be exploited. Take off from the airfield, and level out quickly. Don't bother gaining initial altitude, jet engines -- particularly early jet engines -- accelerate better at sea level. Turn at least 30 degrees away from the center of the map, and build up speed. You'll want to build up to about 725 kph - 805 kph (450 mph to 500 mph), and then place the aircraft into a 20-30 degree zoom climb (steady-state climbing is possible in this aircraft, but like most early jets, zoom climbing is most efficient). This will take you well above 3.5 km, usually closer to 5 km. Dive on unsuspecting enemies, particularly aircraft that don't maneuver well, and once they're destroyed, begin a 20-30 degree zoom climb to regain your lost altitude. Your ER is excellent, and you can typically regain all your lost altitude, if not gain on top of it.
Usually enemies on your tail can at least be out-accelerated, which causes most players to lose interest in you and break off the chase, even if their aircraft's top speed is higher than yours. Use this to your advantage. Manouverability is average, but certainly not poor. The Su-11's MER is excellent, however. If forced to dogfight and opponent whose vehicle has similar maneuverability, simply drain them of their energy with long, sweeping movements.
While the Su-11's armament packs a punch, excellent marksmanship is an absolute necessity. Her cannon's low ammo pool (x200 23 mm rounds, x30 37 mm rounds, 230 rounds total) is compounded by a relatively low rate of fire (on both cannons), and the rounds are also relatively low velocity (especially the 37 mm round). However, the rounds are extremely powerful, with the 37 mm round able to destroy heavy bombers in 1-2 hits, and the 23 mm round able to destroy lighter aircraft with 1-2 hits. If you are not comfortable with the cannons, your best option is to get as close as possible before opening fire to ensure a kill.
Pros and cons
Pros:
- Decent manoeuvrability
- Good acceleration for an early jet
- Fast aircraft
- Heavy armament
Cons:
- Engines overheat quickly at 100% power
- Low ammo pool
- Low rate of fire, relatively low velocity (particularly the 37 mm) cannons
History
The Su-9 was an early Soviet jet fighter built using knowledge and parts derived from the German Me 262 jet fighter.
The Su-11 was a project in 1946 to mount Yakovlev versions of the RD-10F engines in the Su-9 jet fighter. After testing the Su-9 in the wind tunnel, it was found that engines mounted in the wings rather than underneath reduced drag and that the wingtips also needed a redesign. As such, the Su-11 received a completely redesigned wing and before completion it was also received the Lyulka TR-1 turbojet engines. The two engines produced 2,865 lbf of thrust each for 5930 lbf of thrust total.
The Su-11 first flew on 28 May 1947, demonstrating a maximum speed of 940 km/h at sea level. Unfortunately, the design had a bad longitudinal stability and even modifications to the wing engine nacelles did not solve the issue. Because of these issues, the Su-11 programme was cancelled and did not enter production.
Media
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- Videos
See also
Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:
- reference to the series of the aircraft;
- links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.
External links
| Sukhoi Design Bureau (Сухого Опытное конструкторское бюро) | |
|---|---|
| Jet fighters | Su-9 · Su-11 |
| Su-27 | Su-27 · Su-27SM |
| Strike aircraft | |
| Su-2 | BB-1 · Su-2 (M-82) · Su-2 MV-5 · Su-2 TSS-1 |
| Su-6 | Su-6 · Su-6 (AM-42) · Su-6 (M-71F) |
| Su-7 | Su-7B · Su-7BKL · Su-7BMK |
| Su-8 | Su-8 |
| Su-17 | Su-17M2 · Su-17M4 · Su-22M3 |
| Su-24 | Su-24M |
| Su-25 | Su-25 · Su-25BM · Su-25K · Su-25T · Su-25SM3 · Su-39 |
| Su-34 | Su-34 |
| Export | ◊Su-22UM3K · ◔Su-22M3 · ◊Su-22M4 · ◄Su-22M4 WTD61 |
| J-11* | |
| *CKD and SKD kits assembled by Shenyang Aircraft Corporation | |
| USSR jet aircraft | |
|---|---|
| Bereznyak-Isayev | BI |
| Yakovlev | Yak-15 · Yak-15P · Yak-17 · Yak-23 · Yak-28B · Yak-30D · Yak-38 · Yak-38M · Yak-141 |
| Mikoyan-Gurevich | MiG-9 · MiG-9 (l) · MiG-15 · MiG-15bis · MiG-15bis ISh · MiG-17 · MiG-17AS · MiG-19PT |
| MiG-21F-13 · MiG-21PFM · MiG-21S (R-13-300) · MiG-21SMT · MiG-21bis | |
| MiG-23M · MiG-23ML · MiG-23MLD · MiG-27M · MiG-27K | |
| MiG-29 · MiG-29SMT | |
| Lavochkin | La-174 · La-15 · La-200 |
| Sukhoi | Su-9 · Su-11 |
| Su-7B · Su-7BKL · Su-7BMK · Su-17M2 · Su-17M4 · Su-22M3 | |
| Su-24M | |
| Su-25 · Su-25BM · Su-25K · Su-25T · Su-25SM3 · Su-39 | |
| Su-27 · Su-27SM | |
| Su-34 | |
| Ilyushin | IL-28 · IL-28Sh |
| Tupolev | Tu-14T |
| USSR premium aircraft | |
|---|---|
| Fighters | Krasnolutsky's I-15bis · I-16 type 28 · Zhukovsky's I-153-M62 · I-153P · I-180S · I-301 · ITP (M-1) |
| LaGG-3-4 · LaGG-3-23 · LaGG-3-34 · Dolgushin's La-7 · La-11 | |
| Eremin's Yak-3(e) · Yak-3 (VK-107) · Yak-3T · Golovachev's Yak-9M | |
| ▂P-39K-1 · ▂Pokryshkin's P-39N-0 · ▂P-39Q-15 · ▂P-40E-1 · ▂P-47D-27 · ▂P-63A-5 · ▂P-63A-10 · ▂P-63C-5 | |
| ▂Hurricane Mk IIB · ▂Spitfire Mk IXc · ▂Fw 190 D-9 | |
| Twin-engine fighters | I-29 |
| Jet fighters | Su-11 · MiG-15bis ISh · MiG-17AS · MiG-21S (R-13-300) · MiG-23ML |
| Strike aircraft | IL-2M "Avenger" · IL-2 M-82 · IL-8 (1944) · Su-6 · Tandem MAI · TIS MA · Su-8 · Tu-1 |
| Yak-38 · Su-7BMK · Su-25K · Su-39 | |
| Bombers | Po-2M · Be-6 · MBR-2-M-34 · Pe-2-205 · TB-3M-17-32 |
| ▂PBY-5A Catalina · ▂Hampden TB Mk I · ▂A-20G-30 · ▂B-25J-30 | |
