Su-8

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Su-8
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Su-8
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Description

The Su-8 is a premium gift rank IV Soviet strike aircraft with a battle rating of 4.7 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced during Update "Winged Lions" as a reward for Battle Pass: Season VI, "Firepower".

General info

Flight performance

Max speed
at 7 150 m550 km/h
Turn time25 s
Max altitude9 000 m
Engine2 х Shvetsov M-71
Type
Cooling systemAir
Take-off weight13 t

The flight performance of this plane is extremely sluggish, despite having a combined total of 4,000 horsepower, the plane still struggles to perform most manoeuvres. It has a poor turn radius, low lock-up speeds, and has a subpar climb rate compared to other aircraft at this BR. In mixed battles, the performance is made even worse with suspended ordnance options, which can up to 1,500 kg of additional weight. The plane does however have a silver lining, at low speeds, landing flaps can provide a very high amount of lift, which allows the plane to turn on a dime. The flaps can withstand speeds no more than 280 km/h (155 mph), but they can allow for the plane to make sharp turns to get into position to use the 45 mm cannons or establish a bomb line.

Characteristics Max Speed
(km/h at 7,150 m)
Max altitude
(metres)
Turn time
(seconds)
Rate of climb
(metres/second)
Take-off run
(metres)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
Stock 527 511 9000 25.9 26.7 6.6 6.6 400
Upgraded 574 550 24.1 25.0 12.3 9.3

Details

Features
Combat flaps Take-off flaps Landing flaps Air brakes Arrestor gear
X X
Limits
Wings (km/h) Gear (km/h) Flaps (km/h) Max Static G
Combat Take-off Landing + -
720 390 437 380 310 ~__ ~__
Optimal velocities (km/h)
Ailerons Rudder Elevators Radiator
< 360 < 360 < 380 > ___

Survivability and armour

Crew2 people
Speed of destruction
Structural0 km/h
Gear390 km/h

The Su-8 has copious amounts of armour, similar to other Russian strike aircraft such as the IL-2. This means the Su-8 can withstand incredible amounts of punishment, especially from machine gun fire. Dual engines allow the plane to return home if one is taken out, and pilot armour protects the pilot in any head-on engagement. The Su-8 should take every head-on engagement possible for this reason. In addition to pilot armour, the rear gunner also has good protection from the front and back of the aircraft.

Modifications and economy

Repair cost
AB1 490 Sl icon.png
RB1 490 Sl icon.png
SB3 370 Sl icon.png
Crew training10 000 Sl icon.png
Experts290 000 Sl icon.png
Aces940 Ge icon.png
Research Aces960 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
Talisman.png 2 × 70 / 150 / 350 % Sl icon.png
Talisman.png 2 × 166 / 166 / 166 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Flight performance Survivability Weaponry
Mods aerodinamic fuse.png
Fuselage repair
Mods radiator.png
Radiator
Mods compressor.png
Compressor
Mods aerodinamic wing.png
Wings repair
Mods new engine.png
Engine
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Engine injection
Mods armor frame.png
Airframe
Mods armor cover.png
Cover
Mods ammo.png
shkas_belt_pack
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods pilon bomb.png
FAB-100
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods weapon.png
shkas_new_gun
Mods ammo.png
ub_turret_belt_pack
Mod arrow 1.png
Mods pilon bomb.png
FAB-250
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods pilon rocket.png
RO-82
Mod arrow 1.png
Mods ammo.png
ns45_belt_pack
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods pilon bomb.png
FAB-500
Mods weapon.png
ns45_new_gun
Mods turret gun.png
ub_turret_new_gun
Mods pilon rocket.png
RO-132

This is a premium aircraft, which means all modifications will be unlocked when this plane is obtained.

Armaments

Offensive armament

Weapon 14 x 45 mm NS-45 cannon
Ammunition200 rounds
Fire rate258 shots/min
Ammunition4 800 rounds
Fire rate1 800 shots/min

The Su-8 is armed with:

  • 4 x 45 mm NS-45 cannons, belly-mounted (50 rpg = 200 total)
  • 8 x 7.62 mm ShKAS machine guns, wing-mounted (600 rpg = 4,800 total)

The incredible NS-45 cannon seen on the Yak-9K is mounted on the Su-8. However instead of one cannon, the Su-8 wields four of these monstrous cannons. The armoured targets belt can penetrate the roof of every tank at the Su-8's BR, as well as the sides of many lightly-armoured vehicles. There is a price to pay for having such incredible armament. The recoil on these guns is extremely significant, it is recommended to fire in very short, controlled bursts. The recoil on this gun is effectively a stopping mechanism, as it can bleed so much speed when attacking a target, that you'll need to continuously adjust lead for every shot you fire. The gun velocity is pretty good, however it does not compare to the German MK 103 tank busting cannon, which has a much higher velocity. You'll need to calculate for gun drop when shooting at ground targets from a distance of more than a kilometre.

The smaller calibre ShKAS machine guns are also an important asset to this aircraft's success. They have an incredibly high rate of fire, and the Su-8 has eight of them. This is an incredible amount of bullets, and any soft AI target in Air Battles will be completely obliterated by a short burst. Once again, this incredible feature has a price to pay. The guns have a tendency to jam rather quickly, so short bursts are the key to success. The guns are also mounted very far away from the nose. Gun targeting needs to be set correctly in order for maximum effect, 500 m or so will be good for attacking ground units and spraying at pesky fighters.

Suspended armament

List of setups (21)
Setup 19 x 100 kg FAB-100sv (forged) bomb
Setup 23 x 250 kg FAB-250sv bomb
Setup 32 x 500 kg FAB-500sv (welded) bomb
Setup 43 x 250 kg FAB-250sv bomb
6 x 100 kg FAB-100sv (forged) bomb
Setup 52 x 500 kg FAB-500sv (welded) bomb
4 x 100 kg FAB-100sv (forged) bomb
Setup 610 x M-8 rockets
Setup 79 x 100 kg FAB-100sv (forged) bomb
10 x M-8 rockets
Setup 83 x 250 kg FAB-250sv bomb
10 x M-8 rockets
Setup 92 x 500 kg FAB-500sv (welded) bomb
10 x M-8 rockets
Setup 1010 x RBS-82 rockets
Setup 119 x 100 kg FAB-100sv (forged) bomb
10 x RBS-82 rockets
Setup 123 x 250 kg FAB-250sv bomb
10 x RBS-82 rockets
Setup 132 x 500 kg FAB-500sv (welded) bomb
10 x RBS-82 rockets
Setup 1410 x M-13UK rockets
Setup 159 x 100 kg FAB-100sv (forged) bomb
10 x M-13UK rockets
Setup 163 x 250 kg FAB-250sv bomb
10 x M-13UK rockets
Setup 172 x 500 kg FAB-500sv (welded) bomb
6 x M-13UK rockets
Setup 1810 x RBS-132 rockets
Setup 199 x 100 kg FAB-100sv (forged) bomb
10 x RBS-132 rockets
Setup 203 x 250 kg FAB-250sv bomb
10 x RBS-132 rockets
Setup 212 x 500 kg FAB-500sv (welded) bomb
6 x RBS-132 rockets
Main articles: M-8, M-13UK, RBS-82, RBS-132

The Su-8 can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

  • Without load
  • 9 x 100 kg FAB-100sv bombs (900 kg total)
  • 3 x 250 kg FAB-250sv bombs (750 kg total)
  • 2 x 500 kg FAB-500sv bombs (1,000 kg total)
  • 6 x 100 kg FAB-100sv bombs + 3 x 250 kg FAB-250sv bombs (1,350 kg total)
  • 4 x 100 kg FAB-100sv bombs + 2 x 500 kg FAB-500sv bombs (1,400 kg total)
  • 10 x M-8 rockets
  • 10 x M-8 rockets + 9 x 100 kg FAB-100sv bombs (900 kg total)
  • 10 x M-8 rockets + 3 x 250 kg FAB-250sv bombs (750 kg total)
  • 10 x M-8 rockets + 2 x 500 kg FAB-500sv bombs (1,000 kg total)
  • 10 x RBS-82 rockets
  • 10 x RBS-82 rockets + 9 x 100 kg FAB-100sv bombs (900 kg total)
  • 10 x RBS-82 rockets + 3 x 250 kg FAB-250sv bombs (750 kg total)
  • 10 x RBS-82 rockets + 2 x 500 kg FAB-500sv bombs (1,000 kg total)
  • 10 x M-13UK rockets
  • 10 x M-13UK rockets + 9 x 100 kg FAB-100sv bombs (900 kg total)
  • 10 x M-13UK rockets + 3 x 250 kg FAB-250sv bombs (750 kg total)
  • 6 x M-13UK rockets + 2 x 500 kg FAB-500sv bombs (1,000 kg total)
  • 10 x RBS-132 rockets
  • 10 x RBS-132 rockets + 9 x 100 kg FAB-100sv bombs (900 kg total)
  • 10 x RBS-132 rockets + 3 x 250 kg FAB-250sv bombs (750 kg total)
  • 6 x RBS-132 rockets + 2 x 500 kg FAB-500sv bombs (1,000 kg total)

Defensive armament

2 х Turret12.7 mm Berezin UB machine gun
Ammunition200 rounds
Fire rate1027 shots/min
Main article: Berezin UB (12.7 mm)

The Su-8 is defended by:

  • 1 x 12.7 mm Berezin UB machine gun, dorsal turret (200 rpg)
  • 1 x 12.7 mm Berezin UB machine gun, ventral turret (200 rpg)

Usage in battles

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Manual Engine Control

MEC elements
Mixer Pitch Radiator Supercharger Turbocharger
Oil Water Type
Controllable Controllable
Not auto controlled
Controllable
Not auto controlled
Controllable
Not auto controlled
Separate Controllable
2 gears
Not controllable

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • 8 x 7 mm Machine guns with an high rate of fire
  • 4 x 45 mm cannons absolutely annihilate aircraft on any hit, and have no trouble penetrating the roof of any tank at its BR
  • Wide range of payload options, can carry up to 1430kg of bombs and rockets in total. 2x 500kg bombs are perfect for mixed battles
  • Lots of pilot armour, engine armour, and gunner armour to protect from most weapons it faces
  • Rear gunner has good coverage, allowing you to deter any fighter that gets close
  • Gets an attacker airspawn. Coupled with a steady climb, it's a good choice for intercepting bombers
  • Landing flaps can significantly increase turn time

Cons:

  • Turn time is not on par with other aircraft at its BR. Feels sluggish and will lose energy fast
  • Compression issues at high speeds. It's best not to dive in this plane
  • Significant recoil when firing the NS 45, will cause a bleed in speed.
  • Guns mounted in the wings, necessary to set a convergence, but not all shells will hit
  • Guns jam incredibly fast, so short bursts are recommended
  • Very large target that is easy to hit
  • Gunner provides little protection against heavy fighters and other strike aircraft
  • No bombsight for mixed battles, a bombing run requires a skilled pilot

History

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Media

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See also

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External links


USSR strike aircraft
IL-2  IL-2 (1941) · IL-2 (1942) · IL-2M (1943) · IL-2M type 3 · IL-2M "Avenger" · IL-2-37 · IL-2 M-82
IL-10  IL-10 · IL-10 (1946)
Pe-3  Pe-3 (e) · Pe-3 · Pe-3bis
Su-2  BB-1 · Su-2 MV-5 · Su-2 TSS-1 · Su-2 (M-82)
Su-6  Su-6 · Su-6 (AM-42) · Su-6 (M-71F)
Su-8  Su-8
Tandem MAI  Tandem MAI
TIS MA  TIS MA
Tu-1  Tu-1
Yak-2  Yak-2 KABB

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