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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
 
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The original F-86D was developed as a bomber interceptor and was outfitted with a retractable ventral rocket-rack which housed 24 x 2.75 in (70 mm) [[FFAR Mighty Mouse|Mighty Mouse]] folding-fin aerial rockets. Lacking cannons or air-to-air missiles, the F-86D was limited in role strictly as a bomber hunter. In 1953, Italy approached North American Aviation in an attempt to modify the existing F-86D into a fighter-interceptor, however, the proposed changes proved too costly. This cost overage required scaling back the requirements and from this was produced the '''F-86K''', a fighter-interceptor aircraft which was outfitted with 4 x 20 mm cannons and two AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles. Originally this aircraft was produced for the U.S., however, later the Italian manufacturer Fiat was licensed to also manufacture and produce this version of the fighter. France operated a total of 62 F-86Ks, built between 1956 and 1957 by Fiat, working as all-weather interceptors while the [[Mirage III (Family)|Mirage III]] was being developed.
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.89 "Imperial Navy"]].  
  
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It was introduced in [[Update 1.89 "Imperial Navy"]]. Developed as an interceptor, the F-86K is a relatively sluggish aircraft. It has a good top speed and climb rate for its BR thanks to the new engine, which features an afterburner. However this comes at the cost of manoeuvrability and acceleration, so, the F-86K is not a classic dogfighter like the other Sabres, instead it is more useful at combat in high altitude, intercepting enemy bombers and using its AIM-9Bs against slow enemies from above. In simulator battles, it is especially useful, as it features a powerful radar and a powerful engine, useful for detecting aircraft at very high altitudes like bombers and other interceptors. Unfortunately, its radar lacks BVR or ACM mode, so it is impossible to lock onto other aircraft.
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The original F-86D was developed as bomber interceptor and was outfitted with a retractable ventral rocket-rack which housed 24 x 2.75 in (70 mm) [[FFAR Mighty Mouse|Mighty Mouse]] folding-fin aerial rockets. Lacking cannons or air-to-air missiles, the F-86D was limited in role strictly as a bomber hunter. In 1953 the Italians approached North American in an attempt to modify the existing F-86D into a fighter-interceptor, however, the proposed changes proved too costly. This cost overage required scaling back the requirements and from this was produced the F-86K, a fighter-interceptor aircraft which was outfitted with 4 x 20 mm cannons and two AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles. Originally this aircraft was produced for the U.S., however, later the Italian manufacturer Fiat was licensed to also manufacture and produce this version of the fighter.
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== General info ==
 
== General info ==
 
=== Flight performance ===
 
=== Flight performance ===
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The F-86K is a good aircraft at its rank, but not the best. The F-86K has very good low-end acceleration due to its afterburner, however, this aircraft is still only a subsonic fighter. Like every other jet, it's bad at manoeuvring at low speeds and its control surfaces compress at high speeds. However, the F-86K can handle top speed relatively well compared to other aircraft of its rank. If the F-86K can do one thing very well, it excels when going into vertical flight.
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The F-86K is a good aircraft at its rank, but not the best. The F-86K has very good low-end acceleration due to its afterburner, however, this aircraft is still only a subsonic fighter. Like every other jet, it's bad at manoeuvring at low speeds and it's control surfaces compress at high speeds. However, the F-86K can handle top speed relatively well compared to other aircraft of its rank. If the F-86K can do one thing very well, it excels when going into vertical flight.  
  
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! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 0 m - sea level)
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! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 0 m - at sea level)
 
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(metres)
 
! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(metres)
 
! colspan="2" | Turn time<br>(seconds)
 
! colspan="2" | Turn time<br>(seconds)
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| 1,121 || 1,111 || 26.6 || 27.0 || 73.1 || 56.0
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| ??? || 1,111 || ??.? || 27.0 || ??.? || 56.0
 
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==== Details ====
 
==== Details ====
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! colspan="6" | Features
 
! colspan="6" | Features
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! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
 
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
 
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! colspan="7" | Limits
 
! colspan="7" | Limits
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! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
 
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
 
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| 1,187 <!-- {{Specs|destruction|body}} --> || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 593 || 556 || 370 || ~8 || ~4
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| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 620 || 620 || 370 || ~8 || ~4
 
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! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
 
! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
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! colspan="2" | {{Annotation|Basic mass|Mass of the aircraft with pilot and engine oil, but no fuel or weapons load}} || colspan="3" | Wing loading (full fuel)
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! colspan="2" | Empty mass || colspan="3" | Wing loading (full fuel)
 
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| colspan="2" | General Electric J47-GE-17B || 1
 
| colspan="2" | General Electric J47-GE-17B || 1
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| colspan="2" | 6,532 kg || colspan="3" | 286 kg/m<sup>2</sup>
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| colspan="2" | 6,430 kg || colspan="3" | 292 kg/m<sup>2</sup>
 
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! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
 
! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
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! colspan="4" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff<br />Weight
 
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! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
 
! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
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| 1,150 kg || colspan="2" | Afterburning axial-flow turbojet
 
| 1,150 kg || colspan="2" | Afterburning axial-flow turbojet
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| 7,034 kg || 7,313 kg || 7,703 kg || 8,338 kg || 9,530 kg
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| 6,952 kg || 7,227 kg || 7,620 kg || 8,248 kg || 9,530 kg
 
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! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
 
! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
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! colspan="5" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (WEP)
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! colspan="5" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (100%)
 
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! Condition || 100% || WEP
 
! Condition || 100% || WEP
 
! 13m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 46m fuel || MTOW
 
! 13m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 46m fuel || MTOW
 
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| 0.45 || 0.43 || 0.41 || 0.38 || 0.33
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| 0.64 || 0.62 || 0.59 || 0.54 || 0.47
 
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| ''Optimal'' || 2,294 kgf<br>(0 km/h) || 3,861 kgf<br>(1,200 km/h)
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| 0.55 || 0.53 || 0.50 || 0.46 || 0.41
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| 0.64 || 0.62 || 0.59 || 0.54 || 0.47
 
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=== Survivability and armour ===
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
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The plane is equipped at the front with a 6.35 mm steel plate protecting the pilot's wrist and up. The cockpit's frontal glass is made of 38 mm of bulletproof glass that helps against incoming small calibre rounds. All the while the pilot's seat is made of 12.7 mm of steel which protects his back of any incoming small calibre rounds and shrapnel.
 
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=== Modifications and economy ===
 
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== Armaments ==
 
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=== Offensive armament ===
 
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{{main|M24A1 (20 mm)}}
 
{{main|M24A1 (20 mm)}}
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=== Suspended armament ===
 
=== Suspended armament ===
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The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
 
The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
  
 
* Without load
 
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* 2 x AIM-9B missiles
  
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
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The F-86K should be used mainly as a support fighter, due to its sub-par maneuverability compared to other aircraft at its rank such as the MiG-17 at low speeds. In a 1 vs 1 dogfight, the F-86K is outclassed when pitted against a MiG-17 unless you fight in a vertical, which this aircraft should do most of the time. When it comes to bomber hunting, this aircraft has four M24A1s, however these are also fantastic to use during a head-on attack. However, don't commit to head ons, instead fire a burst from around .8 km away, then pull out. This is to decrease the chances of both of you crashing into the enemy and increasing your chance of survival. Your opponents will mainly be slightly lower-ranked aircraft like the MiG-15 Bis or F-86 A5 Sabre which you can easily out climb or outrun. However, sometimes you will get up-tiered to a higher rank and unfortunately, any thrust advantage is nullified when facing F-100s which are supersonic aircraft. There is a potential to be matched up against Hunter F.6s which can be armed with the devastating SRAAM missiles.
 
  
 
===Radars===
 
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| 45,000 m || 28,000 m || ±85° || ±16°
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=== Manual Engine Control ===
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| Offensive 20 mm
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| New boosters
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| Wings repair
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| Engine
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=== Pros and cons ===
 
=== Pros and cons ===
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'''Pros:'''
 
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* Good top speed
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* Possesses payload of two air-to-air missiles AIM-9B Sidewinders
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* Good roll rate at low/medium speed (<800 km/h)
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* Good roll rate at low/medium speed (<800 kph)
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* High velocity 20 mm cannons, highly effective in head-ons and deflection shots
 
* Good acceleration with afterburner
 
* Good acceleration with afterburner
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* Has a search radar (can only spot bombers or large attackers)
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* Brake chute
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* High velocity 20 mm cannons, highly effective in head-ons and deflection shots
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* Has a search radar (can only spot bombers or large attackers)  
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* Subsonic
 
* Subsonic
 
* Heavy compared to regular Sabres so less nimble, even with leading slats
 
* Heavy compared to regular Sabres so less nimble, even with leading slats
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* Hard compression at high speed (>900 km/h), especially in the roll axis
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* Hard compression at high speed (>900 kph), especially in the roll axis
 
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* Can easily rip wings with strong input
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* No bombs or rockets
 
* Afterburner guzzles a lot of fuel
 
* Afterburner guzzles a lot of fuel
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* Missile lock can be broken with a high-G manoeuvre
 
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== History ==
 
== History ==
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In March 1949, the North American company launched the development of a new jet interceptor, based on the existing F-86 Sabre, as part of a private venture. The new design was the first interceptor developed to be operated by a single crew member and utilized unguided rockets in combination with a complex fire control system, rather than conventional guns, in order to destroy its target. Already by April, the project had received official endorsement from high-ranking military officials and development of a production version began in parallel.
 
In March 1949, the North American company launched the development of a new jet interceptor, based on the existing F-86 Sabre, as part of a private venture. The new design was the first interceptor developed to be operated by a single crew member and utilized unguided rockets in combination with a complex fire control system, rather than conventional guns, in order to destroy its target. Already by April, the project had received official endorsement from high-ranking military officials and development of a production version began in parallel.
  
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While a production contract was signed in October, the first prototype, designated YF-95, conducted its maiden flight in December 1949. In the early '50s, Soviet nuclear testing and the subsequent start of the Korean conflict led to an accelerated development of the YF-95. Despite this, problems during development caused production to be delayed, resulting in the aircraft reaching its first units only in March 1951. During the delay however, the designation of the aircraft changed to F-86D and it received its unofficial nickname "Sabre Dog".
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While a production contract was signed in October, the first prototype, designated YF-95, conducted its maiden flight in December 1949. In the early ‘50s, Soviet nuclear testing and the subsequent start of the Korean conflict led to an accelerated development of the YF-95. Despite this, problems during development caused production to be delayed, resulting in the aircraft reaching its first units only in March 1951. During the delay however, the designation of the aircraft changed to F-86D and it received its unofficial nickname “Sabre Dog”.
  
 
In January 1953, North American was approached by an offer from the Italian military to develop a twin-seater version of the F-86D armed with cannons. As the cost and necessary redesign work turned out to be too great, an agreement was made to produce the aircraft in its original design, but with cannon armament and a simplified fire control system instead. This new export version of the Sabre Dog received the new designation of F-86K.
 
In January 1953, North American was approached by an offer from the Italian military to develop a twin-seater version of the F-86D armed with cannons. As the cost and necessary redesign work turned out to be too great, an agreement was made to produce the aircraft in its original design, but with cannon armament and a simplified fire control system instead. This new export version of the Sabre Dog received the new designation of F-86K.
  
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Initially, the F-86K was produced exclusively in the U.S., but would later also be manufactured under licence by the Italian Fiat company. The F-86 entered service in 1955 and apart from the Italian Air Force, the F-86K also served with many other operators worldwide including France, West Germany, the Netherlands, Norway, Honduras, Venezuela. Around 340 F-86Ks were produced out of over 2,800 Sabre Dogs built in total. Most of the F-86Ks would be decommissioned by the late '60s, while some even went on to serve into the '70s.
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Initially, the F-86K was produced exclusively in the U.S., but would later also be manufactured under licence by the Italian Fiat company. The F-86 entered service in 1955 and apart from the Italian Air Force, the F-86K also served with many other operators worldwide including France, West Germany, the Netherlands, Norway, Honduras, Venezuela. Around 340 F-86Ks were produced out of over 2,800 Sabre Dogs built in total. Most of the F-86Ks would be decommissioned by the late ‘60s, while some even went on to serve into the ‘70s.
  
 
''- From [[wt:en/news/6176-development-f-86k-sabre-dog-the-grand-tourist-en|Devblog]]''
 
''- From [[wt:en/news/6176-development-f-86k-sabre-dog-the-grand-tourist-en|Devblog]]''
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[[File:French F-86 K.jpg|thumb|392x392px]]
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The F-86K was the all-weather interceptor version of the famous "Saber", a version developed from the F-86D for use by NATO air forces in Europe and for various US allies.
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These aircraft delivered by Fiat for France (1956-1957), were attributed to EC 1/13 Artois, EC 2/13 Alpes, and EC 3/13 squadrons.
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the 1/13 fighter squadron was established in 1956 in Lahr, Germany. It was then the only french Air Force squadron classified as an all-weather fighter squadron, with twelve pilots. The first commander of the group was Colonel Risso, a former member of the Normandie-Niemen and a great fighter pilot. Towards the end of 1956, the 1/13 fighter group began to receive the first of eight Lockheed T-33 "Shooting Star" intended for pilot training, as well as the F-86K simulator. The US Air Force provided two pilot instructors. The "Saber" thus becomes the first aircraft of the Air Force equipped with an afterburner reactor, a radar with fire control and air-air missiles. French pilots first trained on T-33 and on a simulator. In April-May 1957, all copies of F-86K were delivered to the 13th Fighter Wing "all weather". the 13th squadron was then repatriated to the Colmar-Meyenheim air base, but the same units used them, the 1/13 Artois fighter squadron and the 2/13 Alps fighter squadron. The F-86K will be replaced by Mirage IIIC in 1962.
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At that time, most of the missions consisted of all-weather identification and interception exercises, with refueling stops on American or Canadian bases in the FRG, while the pilots, summer and winter, were placed on alert in tents ! The "Sabers" of 13th "all weather" squadron are on alert 24 hours a day, ready to take off in an interval of one hour, then fifteen minutes.
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[[File:F-86 K at the french aeronautics museum "Le Bourget".jpg|thumb|335x335px]]
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Six years of use and 36,380 flight hours with 22 incidents, involving the destruction of six aircraft, punctuated the operational career of the "Saber" in French colors.
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In April 1962, the 3/13 squadron was created, this squadron will always regroup in Colmar-Meyenheim the last F-86K until November 1962, taking them to the end of their potentia
  
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|'''Fun Fact''': The Sabre Dog was initially to be designated F-95, but had its name changed to F-86D instead, in order to make it seem like a variant of the existing Sabre and not an entirely new aircraft. In reality, however, the F-86D was only about 25% similar to the original F-86 and the name change was only done to secure further support for the project.
 
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This page is about the French jet fighter F-86K (France). For other versions, see F-86 (Family).

Description

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The ▄F-86K Sabre is a rank VI French jet fighter with a battle rating of 9.0 (AB/RB) and 9.3 (SB). It was introduced in Update 1.89 "Imperial Navy".

The original F-86D was developed as bomber interceptor and was outfitted with a retractable ventral rocket-rack which housed 24 x 2.75 in (70 mm) Mighty Mouse folding-fin aerial rockets. Lacking cannons or air-to-air missiles, the F-86D was limited in role strictly as a bomber hunter. In 1953 the Italians approached North American in an attempt to modify the existing F-86D into a fighter-interceptor, however, the proposed changes proved too costly. This cost overage required scaling back the requirements and from this was produced the F-86K, a fighter-interceptor aircraft which was outfitted with 4 x 20 mm cannons and two AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles. Originally this aircraft was produced for the U.S., however, later the Italian manufacturer Fiat was licensed to also manufacture and produce this version of the fighter.

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Fun Fact: The Sabre Dog was initially to be designated F-95, but had its name changed to F-86D instead, in order to make it seem like a variant of the existing Sabre and not an entirely new aircraft. In reality, however, the F-86D was only about 25% similar to the original F-86 and the name change was only done to secure further support for the project.

—  War Thunder Dev Blog

General info

Flight performance

The F-86K is a good aircraft at its rank, but not the best. The F-86K has very good low-end acceleration due to its afterburner, however, this aircraft is still only a subsonic fighter. Like every other jet, it's bad at manoeuvring at low speeds and it's control surfaces compress at high speeds. However, the F-86K can handle top speed relatively well compared to other aircraft of its rank. If the F-86K can do one thing very well, it excels when going into vertical flight.

Characteristics Max Speed
(km/h at 0 m - at sea level) 		Max altitude
(metres) 		Turn time
(seconds) 		Rate of climb
(metres/second) 		Take-off run
(metres)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
Stock 1,103 1,097 15500 27.4 28.3 42.7 37.1 1,000
Upgraded  ??? 1,111  ??.? 27.0  ??.? 56.0

Details

Features
Combat flaps Take-off flaps Landing flaps Air brakes Arrestor gear Drogue chute
✓ ✓ ✓ ✓ X ✓
Limits
Wings (km/h) Gear (km/h) Flaps (km/h) Max Static G
Combat Take-off Landing + -
0 350 620 620 370 ~8 ~4
Optimal velocities (km/h)
Ailerons Rudder Elevators Radiator
< 850 < 600 < 660 N/A

Engine performance

Engine Aircraft mass
Engine name Number Empty mass Wing loading (full fuel)
General Electric J47-GE-17B 1 6,430 kg 292 kg/m2
Engine characteristics Mass with fuel (no weapons load) Max Takeoff
Weight
Weight (each) Type 13m fuel 20m fuel 30m fuel 46m fuel
1,150 kg Afterburning axial-flow turbojet 6,952 kg 7,227 kg 7,620 kg 8,248 kg 9,530 kg
Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB) Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (100%)
Condition 100% WEP 13m fuel 20m fuel 30m fuel 46m fuel MTOW
Stationary 2,294 kgf 4,467 kgf 0.64 0.62 0.59 0.54 0.47
Optimal 2,294 kgf
(0 km/h) 		4,467 kgf
(0 km/h) 		0.64 0.62 0.59 0.54 0.47

Survivability and armour

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Armaments

Offensive armament

Main article: M24A1 (20 mm)

The F-86K (France) is armed with:

  • 4 x 20 mm M24A1 cannons, nose-mounted (132 rpg = 528 total)

Suspended armament

Main article: AIM-9B

The F-86K (France) can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

  • Without load
  • 2 x AIM-9B missiles

Usage in battles

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Radars

Main article: AN/APS-21

The F-86K is equipped with an AN/APS-21 search radar, located in the nose of the aircraft.

AN/APS-21 - Target Detection Radar
Maximum
Detection
Range 		Guaranteed
Detection
Range 		Max Azimuth
Scan Angle 		Max Elevation
Scan Angle
45,000 m 28,000 m ±85° ±16°

Manual Engine Control

MEC elements
Mixer Pitch Radiator Supercharger Turbocharger
Oil Water Type
Not controllable Not controllable
Not auto controlled 		Not controllable
Not auto controlled 		Not controllable
Not auto controlled 		Separate Not controllable
1 gear 		Not controllable

Modules

Tier Flight performance Survivability Weaponry
I Fuselage repair Offensive 20 mm
II New boosters Compressor Airframe AIM-9B
III Wings repair Engine New 20 mm cannons
IV G-suit Cover

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Possesses payload of two air-to-air missiles AIM-9B Sidewinders
  • Good roll rate at low/medium speed (<800 kph)
  • High velocity 20 mm cannons, highly effective in head-ons and deflection shots
  • Good acceleration with afterburner
  • Brake chute
  • Has a search radar (can only spot bombers or large attackers)

Cons:

  • Subsonic
  • Heavy compared to regular Sabres so less nimble, even with leading slats
  • Hard compression at high speed (>900 kph), especially in the roll axis
  • Can easily rip wings with strong input
  • No bombs or rockets
  • Afterburner guzzles a lot of fuel

History

In March 1949, the North American company launched the development of a new jet interceptor, based on the existing F-86 Sabre, as part of a private venture. The new design was the first interceptor developed to be operated by a single crew member and utilized unguided rockets in combination with a complex fire control system, rather than conventional guns, in order to destroy its target. Already by April, the project had received official endorsement from high-ranking military officials and development of a production version began in parallel.

While a production contract was signed in October, the first prototype, designated YF-95, conducted its maiden flight in December 1949. In the early ‘50s, Soviet nuclear testing and the subsequent start of the Korean conflict led to an accelerated development of the YF-95. Despite this, problems during development caused production to be delayed, resulting in the aircraft reaching its first units only in March 1951. During the delay however, the designation of the aircraft changed to F-86D and it received its unofficial nickname “Sabre Dog”.

In January 1953, North American was approached by an offer from the Italian military to develop a twin-seater version of the F-86D armed with cannons. As the cost and necessary redesign work turned out to be too great, an agreement was made to produce the aircraft in its original design, but with cannon armament and a simplified fire control system instead. This new export version of the Sabre Dog received the new designation of F-86K.

Initially, the F-86K was produced exclusively in the U.S., but would later also be manufactured under licence by the Italian Fiat company. The F-86 entered service in 1955 and apart from the Italian Air Force, the F-86K also served with many other operators worldwide including France, West Germany, the Netherlands, Norway, Honduras, Venezuela. Around 340 F-86Ks were produced out of over 2,800 Sabre Dogs built in total. Most of the F-86Ks would be decommissioned by the late ‘60s, while some even went on to serve into the ‘70s.

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The F-86K was the all-weather interceptor version of the famous "Saber", a version developed from the F-86D for use by NATO air forces in Europe and for various US allies.

These aircraft delivered by Fiat for France (1956-1957), were attributed to EC 1/13 Artois, EC 2/13 Alpes, and EC 3/13 squadrons.

the 1/13 fighter squadron was established in 1956 in Lahr, Germany. It was then the only french Air Force squadron classified as an all-weather fighter squadron, with twelve pilots. The first commander of the group was Colonel Risso, a former member of the Normandie-Niemen and a great fighter pilot. Towards the end of 1956, the 1/13 fighter group began to receive the first of eight Lockheed T-33 "Shooting Star" intended for pilot training, as well as the F-86K simulator. The US Air Force provided two pilot instructors. The "Saber" thus becomes the first aircraft of the Air Force equipped with an afterburner reactor, a radar with fire control and air-air missiles. French pilots first trained on T-33 and on a simulator. In April-May 1957, all copies of F-86K were delivered to the 13th Fighter Wing "all weather". the 13th squadron was then repatriated to the Colmar-Meyenheim air base, but the same units used them, the 1/13 Artois fighter squadron and the 2/13 Alps fighter squadron. The F-86K will be replaced by Mirage IIIC in 1962.

At that time, most of the missions consisted of all-weather identification and interception exercises, with refueling stops on American or Canadian bases in the FRG, while the pilots, summer and winter, were placed on alert in tents ! The "Sabers" of 13th "all weather" squadron are on alert 24 hours a day, ready to take off in an interval of one hour, then fifteen minutes.

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Six years of use and 36,380 flight hours with 22 incidents, involving the destruction of six aircraft, punctuated the operational career of the "Saber" in French colors.

In April 1962, the 3/13 squadron was created, this squadron will always regroup in Colmar-Meyenheim the last F-86K until November 1962, taking them to the end of their potentia

The latest Air Force F-86Ks were reportedly returned to Italy and sold to certain countries in Central and South America who wanted all-weather interceptors to defend their skies.

The only copy, 55.4841, is kept in France, exhibited at the Air and Space Museum of Le Bourget.

These planes were, it seems, used in particular in Algeria in air defense missions against spy planes deployed by the Soviets, and to counter the cargo planes supplying in arms the resistance of the FLN.

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The Shooting Range #159 - Metal Beasts section at 00:35 discusses the F-86K (France).

See also

Related development
  • Canadair Sabre (those Sabres manufactured with the designator "CL")
  • North American F-86A/F
  • North American F-100 Super Sabre
  • North American FJ-4 Fury
Aircraft of comparable role, configuration and era

External links


North American Aviation
Fighters 
P-51A  P-51
P-51C  P-51C-10
P-51D  P-51D-5 · P-51D-10 · P-51D-20-NA · P-51D-30
P-51H  P-51H-5-NA
Twin-engine fighters  F-82E
Jet fighters  F-86A-5 · F-86F-2 · F-86F-25 · F-86F-35 · F-100D
Strike aircraft  A-36 · PBJ-1H · PBJ-1J
  FJ-4B · FJ-4B VMF-232
Bombers  B-25J-1 · B-25J-20
Export/Licence  ▂B-25J-30 · ␗B-25J-30
  ▄Mustang Mk IA · F-6C-10-NA · ␗P-51D-20 · J26 David · J26 · P-51D-20-NA · ␗P-51K
  F-86F-30 ▅ · ␗F-86F-30 · F-86F-40 ▅ · F-86F-40 JASDF▅ · ␗F-86F-40
  ◄F-86K · ▄F-86K (Italy) · ▄F-86K (France)
  ␗F-100A · ▄F-100D · ␗F-100F
Captured  ▅P-51C-11-NT
  Canadair Limited license-built the F-86 as the CL-13 for use in Canada and export to Europe.
  Fiat license-built the F-86K for the Italian Air Force though another 120 NAA built F-86Ks were also sold to the Italians.
See Also  Mitsubishi Heavy Industries · Canadair Limited · Fiat Aviation

France jet aircraft
Fighters  M.D.450B Ouragan · M.D.450B Barougan · M.D.452 IIA · M.D.452 IIC · Mystere IVA · Super Mystere B2
  ▄F-86K · ▄F-100D · ▄F-8E(FN)
  Mirage IIIC · Mirage IIIE · Milan · Mirage 5F · Mirage 2000C-S4 · Mirage 2000C-S5 · Mirage 2000-5F · Mirage 4000
  Mirage F1C · Mirage F1C-200 · Mirage F1CT
Strike aircraft  ▄F-84F · F-84F IAF · ▄F-84G-26-RE
  Etendard IVM · Super Etendard · Alpha Jet E
  Jaguar A · Jaguar E · Mirage 2000D-R1
Bombers  S.O.4050 Vautour IIA · Vautour IIA IDF/AF · S.O.4050 Vautour IIB · S.O.4050 Vautour IIN · S.O.4050 Vautour IIN (late)

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