M.D.452 IIC

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RANK 5 SWEDEN
SAAB J-29D PACK
M.D.452 Mystere IIC pre-production
md_452_mystere_2c_preproduction.png
AB
RB
SB
General characteristics
Brief
Detailed
8.7/8.3/8.7BR
1 personCrew
10.5 tTake-off weight
10.42 kg/sBurst mass
Flight characteristics
13 000 mCeiling
SNECMA Atar 101D3Engine
JetType
airCooling system
Speed of destruction
1108 km/hStructural
450 km/hGear
Offensive armament
2 x 30 mm DEFA 541 cannonWeapon 1
300 roundsAmmunition
1 200 shots/minFire rate
Suspended armament
2 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 bombSetup 1
2 x 1000 lb AN-M65A1 Fin M129 bombSetup 2
38 x SNEB type 23 rocketSetup 3
Economy
99 000 Rp icon.pngResearch
390 000 Sl icon.pngPurchase
Sl icon.png9 600 / 13 027/8 300 / 11 263/3 500 / 4 749Repair
110 000 Sl icon.pngCrew training
390 000 Sl icon.pngExperts
1 800 Ge icon.pngAces
202 % Rp icon.pngReward for battle
300 % Sl icon.png240 % Sl icon.png110 % Sl icon.png
This page is about the French jet fighter M.D.452 IIC. For the other version, see M.D.452 IIA.

Description

GarageImage M.D.452IIC.jpg


The M.D.452 Mystere IIC pre-production is a rank V French jet fighter with a battle rating of 8.7 (AB/SB) and 8.3 (RB). It was introduced in Update 1.77 "Advancing Storm".

General info

Flight performance

The MD.452 IIC is something of a jack of all trades. Its flight performance is balanced, if a bit slow to accelerate. The roll rate is excellent at medium to high speeds (550 - 900 km/h), giving the aircraft many options for evasive manoeuvres, and although energy-bleeding, the turn rate is good against most enemies. The two fast-firing 30 mm DEFA canons also compose tremendous firepower, if used with suitable ammunition.

Characteristics Max Speed
(km/h at 0 m - at sea level)
Max altitude
(metres)
Turn time
(seconds)
Rate of climb
(metres/second)
Take-off run
(metres)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
Stock 1,035 1,027 13 000 26.3 26.9 32.9 31.1 800
Upgraded  ??? 1,044  ??.? 24.8  ??.? 40.0

Details

Features
Combat flaps Take-off flaps Landing flaps Air brakes Arrestor gear Drogue chute
X X
Limits
Wings (km/h) Gear (km/h) Flaps (km/h) Max Static G
Combat Take-off Landing + -
1108 450 650 650 450 ~11 ~5
Optimal velocities (km/h)
Ailerons Rudder Elevators Radiator
< 620 < 700 < 740 N/A

Engine performance

Engine Aircraft mass
Engine name Number Empty mass Wing loading (full fuel)
SNECMA Atar 101D3 1 5,900 kg 241 kg/m2
Engine characteristics Mass with fuel (no weapons load) Max Takeoff
Weight
Weight (each) Type 7m fuel 20m fuel 24m fuel
1,050 kg Axial-flow turbojet 6,308 kg 7,067 kg 7,300 kg 10,500 kg
Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB) Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (100%)
Condition 100% WEP 7m fuel 20m fuel 24m fuel MTOW
Stationary 2,911 kgf N/A 0.46 0.41 0.40 0.28
Optimal 3,178 kgf
(1,100 km/h)
N/A 0.46 0.41 0.40 0.28

Survivability and armour

  • 40 mm Bulletproof glass in front of the pilot
  • 13.5 mm Steel plate around the bottom of the cockpit, front and rear
  • 13.5 mm Steel plate behind the pilot

Armaments

Offensive armament

Main article: DEFA 541 (30 mm)

The M.D.452 IIC is armed with:

  • 2 x 30 mm DEFA 541 cannons, belly-mounted (150 rpg = 300 total)

The two cannons are arranged in the belly portion of the fuselage exiting the aircraft just behind the pilot's location. Each is armed with the same amount of ammunition, which means that both guns will fire together until empty.

This aircraft is the first of the French jets to use 30 mm DEFA canons, which are (as of Update 1.95) the best 30 mm guns in the game, with the highest shell velocity, rate of fire, and gun reliability. While the default ammunition is underwhelming, the "air targets" ammunition will shred enemy fighters with a single or a couple of shells. Heavier targets might need 3-5 hits to loose a wing.

Suspended armament

The M.D.452 IIC can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

  • Without load
  • 2 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 bombs (1,000 lb total)
  • 2 x 1,000 lb AN-M65A1 Fin M129 bombs (2,000 lb total)
  • 38 x SNEB type 23 rockets

The ordnance of the M.D.452 IIC gives it the ability to engage ground targets, but limits its manoeuvrability greatly and should generally not be used in Air RB except as a late game last resort. In mixed battles, the SNEB rockets can be an excellent anti-tank weapon for CAS, and the aircraft inserts well in the French BR 8.3 line-up.

Usage in battles

The M.D.452 IIC is generally more manoeuvrable than most other contemporary aircraft it faces, the only ones you would have a tough time turning with at this battle rating would be any of the Sabres. Since its roll rate is comparable to the Sabre's once the "New Boosters" modification is installed, the option of turnfighting becomes available, although speed will be bled at a relatively high rate. Still, like the predecessors of the Mystère II, boom & zooming should remain the first choice in engagements. Control stiffening doesn't appear under around 1,000-1,050 km/h, and devastating armament will take out an enemy target in a single pass. Furthermore, top speed in level flight is slightly below average, justifying even more that tactic.

Overall, the Mystère IIC should be considered as buffed Ouragan/Barougan, increasing drastically the top speed, armament, and manoeuvrability parameters.

Modules

Tier Flight performance Survivability Weaponry
I Fuselage repair Offensive 30 mm
II New boosters Compressor Airframe SBC-17
III Wings repair Engine New 30 mm cannons LBC-25
IV G-suit Cover Matra SNEB

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Excellent armament of 2 x 30 mm DEFA cannons (higher muzzle velocity and RoF than the ADEN cannon)
  • High roll rate, matches the Sabre's roll rate with "New boosters" modification installed
  • Good turn rate between 550 kph and 800 kph
  • Decent climb rate
  • Payloads can include bombs or rockets
  • More effective air brake than its predecessors
  • A lot of ammo for only 2 x 30 mm DEFA cannons
  • Guns being mounted under the nose makes it easy to head on planes upside down
  • DEFA cannons can easily down a plane with 1 to 3 HE rounds striking

Cons:

  • Slightly slower to other contemporary aircraft
  • Poor horizontal energy retention compared to its predecessors
  • Fragile; a few hits of enemy fire will make controlling the aircraft more difficult, forcing a return to base for repairs

History

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Media

The Shooting Range #97 - Pages of History section at 06:04 discusses the Dassault Mystère II.

See also

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Marcel Bloch Aviation Society* (Société des Avions Marcel Bloch)
Fighters  M.B.152C1 · M.B.157
Bombers  M.B.162 · M.B.174A-3 · M.B.175T
Jet Fighters  M.D.450B Barougan · M.D.450B Ouragan · M.D.452 IIA · M.D.452 IIC · Super Mystere B2 · Etendard IVM · Mirage IIIC
  * Marcel Bloch changed his last name to Dassault and the company name changed to Avions Marcel Dassault or Marcel Dassault Aircraft in 1947.

France jet aircraft
Fighters  ▄F-84G-26-RE · ▄F-86K · ▄F-100D
  M.D.450B Ouragan · M.D.450B Barougan · M.D.452 IIA · M.D.452 IIC · Super Mystere B2 · Etendard IVM · Mirage IIIC
Bombers  S.O.4050 Vautour IIA · Vautour IIA IDF/AF · S.O.4050 Vautour IIB