Hunter F.58 (Germany)

This page is about the squadron jet fighter Hunter F.58 (Germany). For other versions, see Hunter (Family).

◌Hunter F.58

◌Hunter F.58

Germany

VI Rank

Battle rating:

AB	RB	SB
9.3	9.7	9.7

Class:

SQUADRON

Fighter

Jet fighter

Research:480 000

Purchase:660 000

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Description

The ◌Hunter F.58 with a tail number of J-4020, was one of the Hawker Hunters in Swiss Air Force service and a member of the Patrouille Suisse ("Swiss Patrol") Aerobatic Team. This aircraft with factory code 41H-691768 was first flown on 4th February 1958, and subsequently joined the Swiss Air Force during the 1960s alongside another 87 F.58 (exported F.6). These jets were further upgraded under the KAWEST (Kampfwertsteigerung; Increased Operational Performance) in 1964 with RWR, an ECM pod, and chaff dispensers,as well as capabilities to launch AIM-9 and AGM-65B, turning it into a multi-role fighter for the Swiss until they were replaced by the F-5E. The remaining fleet of Hunters with the special livery of the Patrouille Suisse eventually retired in 1994 and the jet represented in-game is currently displayed at the northern corner of Dübendorf Airfield on the outskirts of Zurich.

The jet was introduced in Update "Sky Guardians" as a squadron vehicle in the German aviation tech tree and introduced Switzerland into the game. Unlike the FGA.9 or F.6 in the British tech tree, the F.58 has access to more advanced missile options including the AIM-9P and AGM-65B, as well as RWR and countermeasures to fend against enemy acquisition. Although it will face more advanced supersonic jets which sometimes have radar-guided missiles or all-aspect AAMs, if picking enemies which has depleted their energy or lacking situation awareness, the ADEN autocannons and missiles will make very short work of them, while the Hunter can fly away from the battlefield with its good energy retention and countermeasures onboard.

General info

Flight performance

Air brakes

Allows you to dramatically reduce the flight speed by releasing special flaps

Drogue parachute

Reduces braking distance when landing on any runway

Max speed

at 0 m1 148 km/h

Turn time25 s

Max altitude15 500 m

EngineRolls-Royce Avon Mk.207

TypeJet

Cooling systemAir

Take-off weight11 t

The Hunter F.58 performs similar to other Hunters, particularly the Hunter FGA.9, as they host the same Rolls-Royce Avon Mk.207 powerplant. As with most other Hunters, the F.58 handles poorly at low speeds, thus, turning and rate fighting is not advised. However, thanks to a decent acceleration, the Hunter can reach speeds exceeding 800 km/h. The Hunter at higher speeds possess quite a decent turn rate, able to maintain 9-10 Gs. Coupled with the excellent energy retention of this aircraft, the Hunter F.58 can be a formidable aircraft in the hands of a competent pilot.

Characteristics	Max speed (km/h at 0 m - sea level)		Max altitude (metres)	Turn time (seconds)		Rate of climb (metres/second)		Take-off run (metres)
	AB	RB		AB	RB	AB	RB
Stock	1,138	1,132	15500	25.5	26.3	53.3	46.2	820
Upgraded	1,158	1,148		24.6	25.0	88.5	69.6

Details

Features
Combat flaps	Take-off flaps	Landing flaps	Air brakes	Arrestor gear	Drogue chute
✓	✓	✓	✓	X	X

Limits
Wings (km/h)	Gear (km/h)	Flaps (km/h)			Max Static G
		Combat	Take-off	Landing	+	-
1,225	450	603	581	465	~14	~6

Optimal velocities (km/h)
Ailerons	Rudder	Elevators	Radiator
< 850	< 600	< 690	-

Engine performance

Engine			Aircraft mass
Engine name		Number	Basic mass	Wing loading (full internal fuel)
Rolls-Royce Avon Mk.207		1	6,209 kg	240 kg/m2
Engine characteristics			Mass with internal fuel (no weapons load)		Max Gross Weight
Weight (each)	Type		3m fuel	13m fuel
1,175 kg	Axial-flow turbojet		6,620 kg	7,578 kg	10,216 kg
Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB/SB)			Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (100%)
Condition	100%	WEP	3m fuel	13m fuel	MGW
Stationary	4,272 kgf	-	0.65	0.56	0.42
Optimal	5,229 kgf (1,225 km/h)	-	0.79	0.69	0.51

Survivability and armour

Flares/Chaff

Aircraft countermeasures to distract IR and radar-guided missiles and also AA radar

Crew1 person

Speed of destruction

Structural0 km/h

Gear450 km/h

Like other Hunter variants, the Hunter F.58 has quite a survivable airframe. Being able to withstand hits from medium-calibre cannon fire, even being able to withstand hits to critical components such as the wings, engine, etc. However, like most other aircraft, the Hunter is not a bunker. Large-calibre cannons like ADENs will easily tear your plane apart.

The Hunter, like all other variants, feature only a 64 mm bullet proof glass in front of the pilot, with a 12.7 mm steel plate behind the pilot.

This Hunter, however, unlike any other Hunter variant, features 60 countermeasures for use against guided munitions.

It is essential for you to die as soon as possible after dispensing your misery onto enemy fighters, since the Hunter F.58 becomes tiresome to use in the late game and will often slap you with a 10,000 SL fine. This is negated with the repair cost based on lifetime system.

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference

AB3 020 → 4 424

RB10 016 → 14 673

SB9 367 → 13 722

Total cost of modifications196 000

304 000

Talisman cost2 700

Crew training175 000

Experts620 000

Aces2 600

Research Aces1 010 000

Reward for battleAB / RB / SB

130 / 380 / 600 %

226 / 226 / 226 %

Modifications

Flight performance	Survivability	Weaponry
Compressor Research: 6 500 Cost: 10 000 270 New boosters Research: 11 000 Cost: 17 000 460 Engine Research: 13 000 Cost: 20 000 540	Fuselage repair Research: 6 500 Cost: 10 000 270 Airframe Research: 11 000 Cost: 17 000 460 Cover Research: 12 000 Cost: 19 000 500 Wings repair Research: 13 000 Cost: 20 000 540	Flares/Chaff Research: 6 500 Cost: 10 000 270 aden_belt_pack Research: 6 500 Cost: 10 000 270 400 kg FeBb Napalmbombe Research: 6 500 Cost: 10 000 270 Flz Lwf 63/80 Research: 6 500 Cost: 10 000 270 G-suit Research: 11 000 Cost: 17 000 460 200 kg Sprengbombe Research: 11 000 Cost: 17 000 460 aden_new_gun Research: 12 000 Cost: 19 000 500 400 kg Sprengbombe Research: 12 000 Cost: 19 000 500 8-cm Flz.-Rakete Research: 12 000 Cost: 19 000 500 EFS Research: 13 000 Cost: 20 000 540 450 kg Sprengbombe 68/70 Research: 13 000 Cost: 20 000 540 Flz Lwf LB 82 Research: 13 000 Cost: 20 000 540

Armaments

Offensive armament

The Hunter F.58 (Germany) is armed with:

• 4 x 30 mm ADEN cannons, chin-mounted (150 rpg = 600 total)
• 60 x countermeasures

Suspended armament

The Hunter F.58 (Germany) can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	11	12
200 kg Sprengbombe bombs		1, 2*									1, 2*
400 kg Sprengbombe bombs		1									1
450 kg Sprengbombe 68/70 bombs		1									1
FeBb Napalmbombe incendiary bombs		1									1
Flz.-Rakete Oerlikon rockets	2*		2	2		4	4		2	2		2*
Flz Lwf 63/80 missiles		1									1
Flz Lwf LB 82 missiles		1									1
150 gal drop tanks					1			1
Maximum permissible weight imbalance: 500 kg
* Dual bombs on hardpoints 2/11 cannot be equipped in conjunction with rockets on hardpoints 1/12 respectively

Default weapon presets
2 x 150 gal drop tanks 2 x Flz Lwf 63/80 missiles 4 x 200 kg Sprengbombe bombs (800 kg total) 2 x FeBb Napalmbombe incendiary bombs 2 x 400 kg Sprengbombe bombs (800 kg total) 2 x 450 kg Sprengbombe 68/70 bombs (900 kg total) 20 x Flz.-Rakete Oerlikon rockets 2 x Flz Lwf LB 82 missiles

Usage in battles

The Hunter F.58 is a transonic aircraft in level flight but can reach supersonic speed in a dive (but rated at exactly M1.0 before structural failure). That means that it is faster than other subsonic aircraft (one of the fastest subsonic jet, just behind the duo "Jump-jet": Yak-38M and US Harriers) it will face, and slower than just about everything else you'll face. Thanks to the upgrades by Swiss in 1964, the F.58 received more self-defense equipment such as all-aspect RWR and 60 countermeasures onboard - it can be said that the jet is old but not obsolete.

Air - the Swiss Patrol

A thumb of rule for jet fighters is that: always maintain your energy for any situation. Thanks to its excellent design and sufficiently high engine power for such a huge jet, the energy retention is almost an order of magnitude higher than supersonic aircraft, which bleed speed in sharp turns, this can be both a blessing and a curse, when in a prolonged turning engagement, your energy retention advantage will allow you to pull away from a supersonic at the end of a turn; however, most supersonics, after ending up behind you, will immediately catch up to you and place a Magic 1 in your tailpipe. In many situations, when you have a supersonic on your tail, making them overshoot is very difficult due to your energy retention and their manoeuvrability, but if you can, the Flz Lwf 63/80 will make short work of them as finishing them off from afar is always better than being forced into a dogfight. When facing subsonic aircraft, simply outrun them with your superior speed and gain sufficient distance for a return; try not to engage in a turnfight with subsonic aircraft such as MiGs (15 and 17, both Russian and Chinese variants) and late variants of the F-86 Sabre (starting from F-86F-25 which feature slats; while F-86K or Canadair Sabres have better engine to keep up with Hunter, however, it is highly unlikely you'll face either of them), as they are often able to best you in a dogfight, especially at low speeds, where the Hunter really shows its weaknesses - its huge size and worse manoeuvrability at such speed. The plane, under most circumstances, does not rip it's wings, even under extended, high G turns; although if you combine a 9-10 G turn and roll or yaw, the plane can rip. Unlike some other planes, you have almost no chance of making it back to the airfield with a broken wing. This Hunter also has access to the Flz Lwf 63/80 air-to-air missiles, which work as AIM-9P Sidewinder; for players who have been used to AIM-9E or SRAAM on other Hunters, the 63/80 can make sure careless players who don't check their 6 o'clock meet their end quickly.

Another note for the Hunter is that, thanks to the upgrades mentioned before, players can now more confident when facing later supersonic jets with SARH missiles like F-4C or MiG-21S. This will also be the good time to learn about the characteristics of SARH missiles - with up to 60 chaffs available, flying sideways and dive for terrain while dispensing chaffs can make sure enemy SARH missiles will likely uncage from yourself.

Ground - the Lesser Ground-pounder

While Swiss purchased the F.58 variant which was based on the F.6 with ground-attack capabilities, likely due to the revised avionics onboard or the need for drop tanks, the payload options is in fact relatively less than his Commonwealth cousins: only the outer-board pylon could carry bombs, unguided rockets and the Flz Lwf LB 82 (AGM-65B) missiles. Although there are alternatives with more payload such as F-84F or with more AGMs like G.91 R/3, if players insist to bring out Hunter, the varieties of bombs ranging from 200 to 450 kg, as well as unguided rockets and napalms can still make sure it can score some victories at cleared skies (cleared from SPAAs or enemy interceptors); due to the lack of ballistic computer, players will still have to learn the trajectory of different payloads in test flights. As mentioned before, what makes F.58 stand out is the LB 82 missiles, players of USAF tree will be happy to learn that it is the other name of AGM-65B Maverick but under Swiss designation; this also makes it the second-earliest jet to equip the Maverick stand-off missiles (after Israel's 9.3 Ayit with AGM-65A's) against high-threat targets such as Soviet MBTs or SPAA with missile systems onboard. Be sure to utilize the upgraded avionics for better situational awareness from different threats - the speed of the Hunter is still valuable even at its tier with supersonic jets.

Pros and cons

Pros:

• Sufficient ammo pool to take down multiple targets
• One of the fastest subsonic jets, retains decent manoeuvrability at higher speeds
• Good energy retention for energy fights against subsonic or early supersonic jets
• Access to more advanced missiles for both A2A/A2G missions
• Advanced avionics over all its Hunter cousins
  • All-aspect RWR for situational awareness
  • Flares/chaff to help counter those types of missiles

Cons:

• Huge target, can be easy prey to enemy gunfire
• Becomes a brick at speeds below 600 km/h.
• Lacks ballistic computer for precise ground attacks
• Relatively limited payload options due to pylon layouts
• Due to its high BR, the F.58 will always face supersonic aircraft, rendering the energy fighter essentially useless

History

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Media

Skins

• Skins and camouflages for the Hunter F.58 (Germany) from live.warthunder.com.

Images

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Videos

The Shooting Range #352 - Metal Beasts section at 00:23 discusses the Hunter F.58 (Germany).

And The Best Hunter Award Goes To.... Germany - Hunter F.58 -Sky Guardians - DEFYN

See also

Related development

• Hunter (Family)

External links

• [Devblog] Squadron vehicles: Hunter F.58

Squadron aircraft
USA	A-4E Early · F-117
Germany	Me 262 A-1a/U1 · ◌Hunter F.58
USSR	Su-22M3
Britain	Firecrest · Sea Harrier FRS.1
Japan	▄F-5E FCU
China	JF-17