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Description

The 7.92 mm MG 17 is a German aircraft machine gun. It sees use in-game primarily as the offensive aircraft armament of German planes, though it sees rare usage as a defensive armament as well.

Vehicles equipped with this weapon

Vehicles equipped with this weapon
Fighters
Bf 109 A	Flegel's Bf 109 A
Bf 109 B	Bf 109 B-1
Bf 109 C	Bf 109 C-1
Bf 109 E	Bf 109 E-1 · Bf 109 E-3 · Bf 109 E-4 · ▅Bf 109 E-7 · Bf 109 E-7/U2
Bf 109 F	Bf 109 F-1 · Bf 109 F-2 · Bf 109 F-4 · Bf 109 F-4/trop · ▃Bf 109 F-4 · ◐Bf 109 F-4
Bf 109 G	Bf 109 G-2 · ◐Bf 109 G-2 · ▄Bf 109 G-2 · Bf 109 G-2/trop
Fw 190 A	Fw 190 A-1 · Fw 190 A-4 · Fw 190 A-5 · Fw 190 A-5/U12 · ▅Fw 190 A-5
Fw 190 C	Fw 190 C
He 51	He 51 A-1 · He 51 B-1 · He 51 B-2/H · He 51 C-1 · He 51 C-1/L
He 100	He 100 D-1
He 112	He 112 B-0 · A7He1 · He 112 B-1/U2 (Germany) · He 112 B-1/U2 · He 112 B-2/U2 · He 112 V-5
S-199	Sakeen
Twin-engine fighters
Do 17	Do 17 Z-7
Do 217	Do 217 J-1 · Do 217 J-2 · Do 217 N-1 · Do 217 N-2
Ju 88	Ju 88 C-6
Me 410	Me 410 A-1/U2
Strike aircraft
Bf 110	Bf 110 C-6 · Bf 110 C-7 · Bf 110 F-2
Hs 129	Hs 129 B-2 · Hs 129 B-2 (Romania) · Hs 129 B-2 (Romania) · Hs 129 B-3
Me 410	Me 410 A-1
Bombers
Ar 196	Ar 196 A-3 · ▄Ar 196 A-5
Fw 189	Fw 189 A-1
He 111	He 111 H-6 (Defensive)
He 115	He 115 C-1 (Defensive)
Hs 123	Hs 123 A-1 · ␗Hs 123 A-1
Ju 87	Ju 87 B-2 · Ju 87 D-3 · ▄Ju 87 D-3 · Ju 87 R-2 · Ju 87 R-2 Libya · ▄Ju 87 R-2

General info

It was named MG 17 to fool the allies into believing it was a late-war design, thus not being in violation of the Treaty of Versailles that prohibited the development of machine guns by Germany.

Available ammunition

Offensive belts:

Default: AP-T · AP-I · AI
Universal: AP-T · AP · AI · AP-I
Tracers: AP-T
Stealth: AI · AP · AP · AP · AI

Defensive belts:

Default: AP-T · Ball · Ball · AP-I · AI
Armoured targets: AP · AP · AP · AP-T
AP-T: AP-I · AP-T · AP-I · AP-T

Penetration statistics
Ammunition	Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
Ammunition	10 m	100 m	500 m	1,000 m	1,500 m	2,000 m
Ball	5	4	2	1	0	0
AP-I	8	8	6	3	2	0
AP-T	9	8	6	3	0	0
AI	3	3	3	3	3	3
AP	13	12	7	3	2	0

Shell details
Ammunition	Velocity (m/s)	Projectile mass (kg)	Fuse delay (m)	Fuse sensitivity (mm)	Explosive mass (TNT equivalent) (g)	Ricochet
Ammunition	Velocity (m/s)	Projectile mass (kg)	Fuse delay (m)	Fuse sensitivity (mm)	Explosive mass (TNT equivalent) (g)	0%	50%	100%
Ball	855	0.01	-	-	-	47°	56°	65°
AP-I	905	0.01	-	-	-	47°	56°	65°
AP-T	905	0.01	-	-	-	47°	56°	65°
AI	855	0.01	0	3	0	47°	56°	65°
AP	865	0.01	-	-	-	47°	56°	65°

Comparison with analogues

Give a comparative description of cannons/machine guns that have firepower equal to this weapon.

Usage in battles

In the game, this machine gun works as all of the other rifle-calibre machine guns allowing for easier learning of ballistics.

Pros and cons

Pros:

High muzzle velocity

Cons:

Low damage output
Easily jams

History

Examine the history of the creation and combat usage of the weapon in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the weapon and adding a block "/History" (example: https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Weapon-name)/History) and add a link to it here using the main template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <ref></ref>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <references />.

Media

Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.

External links

Aircraft machine guns
USA
7.62 mm	Browning · M134 Minigun
12.7 mm	GAU-19 · M2 Browning · M3 Browning
Germany
7.62 mm	MG3
7.92 mm	MG 15 · MG 17 · MG 81
12.7 mm	FN M3P
13 mm	MG 131
USSR
7.62 mm	DA · GShG-7.62 · PKT · PV-1 · ShKAS
12.7 mm	A-12.7 · Berezin UB · TKB-481 · YaK-B
Britain
7.62 mm	FN 60.30 · L8A1
7.7 mm	Browning · Lewis · Vickers E · Vickers K
Japan
7.7 mm	Te-1 · Type 89 · Type 89 'special' · Type 92 · Type 97 navy
7.92 mm	Type 1 · Type 98
12.7 mm	Ho-103 · Ho-104
13 mm	Type 2
13.2 mm	Type 3
China
12.7 mm	QJK99-12.7-1
Italy
7.7 mm	Breda-SAFAT · Lewis
7.92 mm	FN Browning
12.7 mm	Breda-SAFAT · FN M3M · Scotti
France
7.5 mm	Darne 1933 · Fabrique Nationale Mle 38 · FN Browning · MAC 1934 · MAC 1934T · Mle 33 · Mle 1923
7.62 mm	PKA
7.92 mm	FN-Browning M.36 No.3 · FN-Browning M.36 No.4
Sweden
7.7 mm	FN-Browning M.36 No.3
8 mm	Ksp m/22 · Ksp m/22 Fh · Ksp m/22 Fv · Ksp m/22-37 R
12.7 mm	Akan m/39A · Akan m/40 · Akan m/45 · LKk/42
13.2 mm	Akan m/39 · Akan m/39A

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''Write an introduction to the article in 2-3 small paragraphs. Briefly tell us about the history of the development and combat using the weaponry and also about its features. Compile a list of air, ground, or naval vehicles that feature this weapon system in the game.'' -->
-Named MG 17 to fool the allies to believing it was a late-war design thus not being in violation of the Treaty of Versailles that prohibited the development of machine guns.
+The '''7.92 mm MG 17''' is a German aircraft machine gun. It sees use in-game primarily as the offensive aircraft armament of German planes, though it sees rare usage as a defensive armament as well.
 === Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===
 <!-- ''List out vehicles that are equipped with the weapon.'' -->
 {{Navigation-Start|Vehicles equipped with this weapon}}
@@ Line 11: / Line 11: @@
 {{Navigation-Line|Bf 109 A}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109a_1}}
 {{Navigation-Line|Bf 109 B}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109b_2}}
+{{Navigation-Line|Bf 109 C}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109c_1}}
 {{Navigation-Line|Bf 109 E}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109e-1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109e-3}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109e-4}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109e-3_japan}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109e-7}}
-{{Navigation-Line|Bf 109 F}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109f-1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109f-2}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109f-4}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109f-4_usa}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109f-4_trop}}
+{{Navigation-Line|Bf 109 F}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109f-1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109f-2}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109f-4}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109f-4_trop}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109f-4_usa}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109f-4_hungary}}
-{{Navigation-Line|Bf 109 G}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109g-2_romania}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109g-2_hungary}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109g-2}}
+{{Navigation-Line|Bf 109 G}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109g-2_romania}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109g-2_hungary}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109g-2_finland}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-109g-2}}
 {{Navigation-Line|Fw 190 A}}{{Specs-Link|fw-190a-1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|fw-190a-4}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|fw-190a-5_cannons}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|fw-190a-5|Fw 190 A-5/U12}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|fw-190a-5_japan}}
 {{Navigation-Line|Fw 190 C}}{{Specs-Link|fw-190c}}
 {{Navigation-Line|He 51}}{{Specs-Link|he51a1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|he51b1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|he51b_2w}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|he51c1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|he51c1_late}}
 {{Navigation-Line|He 100}}{{Specs-Link|he_100d_1}}
-{{Navigation-Line|He 112}}{{Specs-Link|he_112b_0}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|a7he1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|he_112b_1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|he_112b_2}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|he_112v_5}}
+{{Navigation-Line|He 112}}{{Specs-Link|he_112b_0}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|a7he1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|he_112b_1}} (Germany){{-}}{{Specs-Link|he_112b_1_italy}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|he_112b_2}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|he_112v_5}}
+{{Navigation-Line|S-199}}{{Specs-Link|s_199}}
 {{Navigation-First-Line|'''Twin-engine fighters'''}}
-{{Navigation-Line|Bf 110}}{{Specs-Link|bf-110c-6}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-110c-4}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-110f-2}}
 {{Navigation-Line|Do 17}}{{Specs-Link|do_17z_7}}
 {{Navigation-Line|Do 217}}{{Specs-Link|do_217j_1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|do_217j_2}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|do_217n_1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|do_217n_2}}
 {{Navigation-Line|Ju 88}}{{Specs-Link|ju-88c-6}}
-{{Navigation-Line|Me 410}}{{Specs-Link|me-410a-1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|me-410a-1_u2}}
+{{Navigation-Line|Me 410}}{{Specs-Link|me-410a-1_u2}}
-{{Navigation-First-Line|'''Attackers'''}}{{Specs-Link|hs-129b-2}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|hs-129b-2_romania}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|hs-129b-2_romania_italy}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|hs-129b-3}}
+{{Navigation-First-Line|'''Strike aircraft'''}}
+{{Navigation-Line|Bf 110}}{{Specs-Link|bf-110c-6}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-110c-4}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|bf-110f-2}}
+{{Navigation-Line|Hs 129}}{{Specs-Link|hs-129b-2}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|hs-129b-2_romania}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|hs-129b-2_romania_italy}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|hs-129b-3}}
+{{Navigation-Line|Me 410}}{{Specs-Link|me-410a-1}}
 {{Navigation-First-Line|'''Bombers'''}}
-{{Navigation-Line|Ar 196}}{{Specs-Link|arado-196a-3}}
+{{Navigation-Line|Ar 196}}{{Specs-Link|arado-196a-3}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|arado-196a-5}}
 {{Navigation-Line|Fw 189}}{{Specs-Link|fw-189a-1}}
 {{Navigation-Line|He 111}}{{Specs-Link|he-111h-6}}&nbsp;(Defensive)
+{{Navigation-Line|He 115}}{{Specs-Link|he_115c_1}}&nbsp;(Defensive)
 {{Navigation-Line|Hs 123}}{{Specs-Link|hs-123a-1}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|hs-123a-1_china}}
-{{Navigation-Line|Ju 87}}{{Specs-Link|ju-87b-2}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|ju-87d-3}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|ju-87d-3_italy}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|ju-87r-2}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|ju-87r-2_italy}}
+{{Navigation-Line|Ju 87}}{{Specs-Link|ju-87b-2}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|ju-87d-3}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|ju-87d-3_italy}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|ju-87r-2}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|ju-87r-2_snake}}{{-}}{{Specs-Link|ju-87r-2_italy}}
 {{Navigation-End}}
 == General info ==
-''Tell us about the tactical and technical characteristics of the cannon or machine gun.''
+<!-- ''Tell us about the tactical and technical characteristics of the cannon or machine gun.'' -->
+It was named MG 17 to fool the allies into believing it was a late-war design, thus not being in violation of the Treaty of Versailles that prohibited the development of machine guns by Germany.
 === Available ammunition ===
 <!-- ''Describe the shells that are available for the weapon and their features and purpose. If it concerns autocannons or machine guns, write about different ammo belts and what is inside (which types of shells).'' -->
-* '''Default:''' {{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|Ball|Omni-purpose}}{{-}}{{Annotation|Ball|Omni-purpose}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-I|Armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AI|Adjustment incendiary}}
+'''Offensive belts:'''
+* '''Default:''' {{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-I|Armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AI|Adjustment incendiary}}
 * '''Universal:''' {{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AI|Adjustment incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-I|Armour-piercing incendiary}}
 * '''Tracers:''' {{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}
 * '''Stealth:''' {{Annotation|AI|Adjustment incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AI|Adjustment incendiary}}
-* '''Default (turret):''' {{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|Ball|Omni-purpose}}{{-}}{{Annotation|Ball|Omni-purpose}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-I|Armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AI|Adjustment incendiary}}
-*'''Armored targets (turret):''' {{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}
-* '''AP-T (turret):''' {{Annotation|AP-I|Armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-I|Armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
+'''Defensive belts:'''
-! colspan="7" | Penetration statistics
+* '''Default:''' {{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|Ball|Omni-purpose}}{{-}}{{Annotation|Ball|Omni-purpose}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-I|Armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AI|Adjustment incendiary}}
-|-
+* '''Armoured targets:''' {{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}
-! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
+* '''AP-T:''' {{Annotation|AP-I|Armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-I|Armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}
-! colspan="6" | '''Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)'''
-|-
+{{:{{PAGENAME}}/Ammunition|Ball, AP-I, AP-T, AI, AP}}
-! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
-|-
-| AI || 3 || 3 || 3 || 3 || 3 || 3
-|-
-| AP || 13 || 12 || 7 || 2 || 1 || 1
-|-
-| AP-I || 10 || 9 || 7 || 4 || 1 || 1
-|-
-| AP-T || 13 || 12 || 7 || 2 || 1 || 1
-|-
-| Ball || 5 || 4 || 2 || 1 || 0 || 0
-|-
-|}
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
-! colspan="10" | Shell details
-|-
-! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
-! rowspan="2" | Velocity<br>(m/s)
-! rowspan="2" | Projectile<br>Mass (kg)
-! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay<br>(m)
-! rowspan="2" | Fuse sensitivity<br>(mm)
-! rowspan="2" | Explosive Mass<br>(TNT equivalent) (g)
-! rowspan="2" | Normalisation at 30°<br>from horizontal
-! colspan="3" | Ricochet
-|-
-! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
-|-
-| AI || 870 || 0.0109 || N/A || 3.0 || N/A || +2.0° || 47° || 60° || 65°
-|-
-| AP || 855 || 0.0115 || N/A || N/A || N/A || +2.0° || 47° || 60° || 65°
-|-
-| AP-I || 880 || 0.0102 || N/A || N/A || N/A || +2.0° || 47° || 60° || 65°
-|-
-| AP-T || 905 || 0.01 || N/A || N/A || N/A || +2.0° || 47° || 60° || 65°
-|-
-| Ball || 855 || 0.01 || N/A || N/A || N/A || +2.0° || 47° || 60° || 65°
-|-
-|}
 === Comparison with analogues ===
-<!-- ''Give a comparative description of cannons/machine guns that have firepower equal to this weapon.'' -->
+''Give a comparative description of cannons/machine guns that have firepower equal to this weapon.''
-* [[MG 15 (7.92 mm)]]
-* [[MG 34 (7.92 mm)]]
-* [[MG 42 (7.92 mm)]]
-* [[Vickers (7.7 mm)]]
 == Usage in battles ==
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 * High muzzle velocity
-* Common round with other machine guns
 '''Cons:'''
-* Less damaging compared to Russian counterparts
+* Low damage output
+* Easily jams
 == History ==
@@ Line 125: / Line 86: @@
 == Media ==
-''An excellent addition to the article would be a video guide, as well as screenshots from the game and photos.''
+''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''
 == See also ==
-''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
+<!-- ''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
+* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
+* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.'' -->
-* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
+* [[MG 15 (7.92 mm)]]
-* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''
+* [[MG34 (7.92 mm)]]
+* [[MG42 (7.92 mm)]]
+* [[Vickers (7.7 mm)]]
 == External links ==
-''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
+<!-- ''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
 * ''topic on the official game forum;''
-* ''encyclopedia page on the weapon;''
+* ''other literature.'' -->
-* ''other literature.''
+* [https://www.forgottenweapons.com/mg-17-german-aircraft-machine-gun/ [Forgotten Weapons<nowiki>]</nowiki> MG-17 German Aircraft Machine Gun]
+* [http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/luftwaffe_barrel_armaments_mg17.html [Warbirds Resource Group<nowiki>]</nowiki> Rhienmetall Borsig MG 17]
 {{Aircraft machine guns}}
 [[Category:Aircraft machine guns]]

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