F-105D

F-105D

B-57B

F-111A

F-105D

B-57B

F-111A

USA

VII Rank

Battle rating:

AB	RB	SB
10.7	10.0	9.7

Class:

Strike aircraft

Research:260 000

Purchase:710 000

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Description

The Republic F-105D Thunderchief is a rank VII American strike aiicraft with a battle rating of 10.7 (AB), 10.0 (RB), and 9.7 (SB). It was introduced in Update "Winged Lions". Like its contemporaries, the Su-7 family, the F-105 is a strike aircraft designed for ordnance delivery at high speeds at low altitude, and its design reflects this, with powerful acceleration, excellent control authority at high speeds, good roll rate, and plentiful choices in bomb options, as well as a full range of ballistic computer programming, including CCIP for Rockets, Bombs and Cannons, plus a CCRP function that uses its surprisingly capable AN/ASG-19 radar. While it lacks a true "lock" function, the gun has a radar-ranging gunsight as well as a Search and IFF function that allows it to at least see targets in front and above it to a relatively high degree of efficiency at ranges of up to 37 kilometers, giving it a valuable asset in avoiding enemies as it completely lacks any sort of countermeasures save for chaff. However, it does not have any flares, making it vulnerable to IR missiles that are prevalent at the BR, offset by the aforementioned roll rate and control authority, meaning that it can easily outroll or outmaneuver any air to air missile in-game up to the R.550, which can only be outmaneuvered with range and assuming that the Magic's booster has shut off.

This aircraft was designed in real life by Republic Aviation as a nuclear strike aircraft, and it performs best roaring through valleys and over hills at low altitude, reaching speeds of almost mach 1.2 when clean, and mach 1.05 with a full load of sixteen 750-pound M117 bombs. It also has the capability to pull surprisingly high Gs and turn tighter than expected for an attack aircraft, managing turns of 12-13Gs with empty bomb racks and 4 sidewinders or 13-14G clean with 12 minutes of fuel left in the tank at 1000km/h. These are fairly standard conditions when turning away from a base to head home for more ordnance, or while tussling with MiGs over the battlefield.

General info

Flight performance

Air brakes

Allows you to dramatically reduce the flight speed by releasing special flaps

Drogue parachute

Reduces braking distance when landing on any runway

Max speed

at 10 668 m2 167 km/h

Turn time28 s

Max altitude12 192 m

Engine2 х Pratt & Whitney J75-P-19W

TypeJet

Cooling systemAir

Take-off weight23 t

Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.

Characteristics	Max Speed (km/h at 10,668 m)		Max altitude (metres)	Turn time (seconds)		Rate of climb (metres/second)		Take-off run (metres)
	AB	RB		AB	RB	AB	RB
Stock	2,129	2,102	12192	28.5	29.5	149.3	141.5	1,050
Upgraded	2,206	2,167		27.5	28.0	202.8	175.0

Details

Features
Combat flaps	Take-off flaps	Landing flaps	Air brakes	Arrestor gear	Drogue chute
X	✓	✓	✓	X	✓

Limits
Wings (km/h)	Gear (km/h)	Flaps (km/h)			Max Static G
		Combat	Take-off	Landing	+	-
0	546	2,350	827	444	~12	~5

Optimal velocities (km/h)
Ailerons	Rudder	Elevators	Radiator
< 720	< 950	< 800	N/A

Engine performance

Engine			Aircraft mass
Engine name		Number	Basic mass		Wing loading (full fuel)
J75-P-19W		1	_,___ kg		___ kg/m2
Engine characteristics			Mass with fuel (no weapons load)			Max Takeoff Weight
Weight	Type		_m fuel	__m fuel	__m fuel
2699 kg	Jet		_,___ kg	_,___ kg	_,___ kg	_,___ kg
Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB/SB)			Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (___%/WEP)
Condition	100%	WEP	_m fuel	__m fuel	__m fuel	MTOW
Stationary	7060 kgf	11060 kgf	_.__	_.__	_.__	_.__
Optimal	___ kgf (_ km/h)	~13309 kgf (1109 km/h)	_.__	_.__	_.__	_.__

Survivability and armour

Flares/Chaff

Aircraft countermeasures to distract IR and radar-guided missiles and also AA radar

Crew1 person

Speed of destruction

Structural0 km/h

Gear546 km/h

IMPORTANT: This aircraft cannot carry flares. The countermeasure pods are AN/ALE-38/41 Chaff dispensers, which, unlike modern countermeasures pods or USN countermeasure systems, use neither a common calibre nor dispenser system as flares. The F-105 was never equipped with the AN/ALE-40 combined Chaff/Flare suite used on the F-4E, nor the AN/ALE-29 chaff dispenser used on the A-4 Skyhawks and A-7 Corsairs.

Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured, etc. Describe the armour, if there is any, and also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.

• 12.7mm armour plate behind the pilot.

The F-105, like the Su-7, is extremely survivable. Often, cannon bursts from the rear that "kill" the plane will destroy the engine and disable the tail control, but the wings, fuselage and tail assembly will all stay attached. Due to its large size, smaller missiles such as R-60 have an extremely slim chance to detonate even after you appear to have "dodged" it, since the proximity fuze is still live after the missile loses lock. The aircraft can lose a wingtip and a tail fin, but still make it home to base. The aircraft has a chance to put out fires in its spinal fuel tanks, but due to their position above the engine, if the rear one gets set on fire, the engine will likely also burn down. However, the F-105 is good at gliding home and back to base even when the engine is down, or after sustaining heavy damage. The pilot lacks protection from the front and sides, and the aircraft lacks any sort of protection for fuel tanks, engine, control cables or control surfaces, unlike its well-armoured stablemate, the A-7.

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference

AB3 307 → 4 808

RB8 777 → 12 761

SB9 810 → 14 263

Total cost of modifications227 000

357 000

Talisman cost2 800

Crew training200 000

Experts710 000

Aces2 800

Research Aces1 080 000

Reward for battleAB / RB / SB

80 / 310 / 600 %

232 / 232 / 232 %

Modifications

Flight performance	Survivability	Weaponry
Compressor Research: 7 600 Cost: 12 000 330 New boosters Research: 10 000 Cost: 16 000 440 Wings repair Research: 9 400 Cost: 15 000 410 Engine Research: 15 000 Cost: 23 000 650	Fuselage repair Research: 7 600 Cost: 12 000 330 Airframe Research: 10 000 Cost: 16 000 440 G-suit Research: 9 400 Cost: 15 000 410 Cover Research: 15 000 Cost: 23 000 650	M60_belt_pack Research: 7 600 Cost: 12 000 330 M117 Research: 7 600 Cost: 12 000 330 Chaff Research: 7 600 Cost: 12 000 330 BLU-27/B Research: 7 600 Cost: 12 000 330 Mk83 Research: 10 000 Cost: 16 000 440 AIM-9B Research: 10 000 Cost: 16 000 440 LAU-3/A Research: 10 000 Cost: 16 000 440 M60_new_gun Research: 9 400 Cost: 15 000 410 Mk84 Research: 9 400 Cost: 15 000 410 AIM-9E Research: 9 400 Cost: 15 000 410 AGM-12B Bullpup Research: 9 400 Cost: 15 000 410 Mk118 Research: 15 000 Cost: 23 000 650 EFS Research: 15 000 Cost: 23 000 650 AGM-12C Bullpup Research: 15 000 Cost: 23 000 650

Armaments

Offensive armament

The F-105D is armed with:

• 1 x 20 mm M61A1 cannon, nose-mounted (1,028 rpg)

Suspended armament

This aircraft has many different payloads. For convenience, the aircraft's ordnance has been split into sections.

The F-105D can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

• Without load (clean, no pylons)

Air-to-Air Missiles:

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• 4 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles
• 4 x AIM-9E Sidewinder missiles

Air-To-Ground Missiles:

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• 4 x AGM-12B Bullpup missiles
• 2 x AGM-12B Bullpup missiles + 32 x countermeasures
• 2 x AGM-12C Bullpup missiles
• 2 x AGM-12C Bullpup missiles + 32 x countermeasures
• 14 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs + 2 x AGM-12B Bullpup missiles (10,500 lb total)
• 8 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs + 2 x AGM-12C Bullpup missiles (6,000 lb total)
• 6 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs + 2 x AGM-12C Bullpup missiles + 32 x countermeasures (4,500 lb total)
• 9 x 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs + 2 x AGM-12B Bullpup missiles (9,000 lb total)
• 5 x 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs + 2 x AGM-12C Bullpup missiles (5,000 lb total)
• 3 x 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs + 2 x AGM-12C Bullpup missiles + 32 x countermeasures (3,000 lb total)

Rockets:

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• 76 x FFAR Mighty Mouse rockets
• 38 x FFAR Mighty Mouse rockets + 32 x countermeasures

Bombs:

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• 14 x 500 lb LDGP Mk 82 bombs (7,000 lb total)
• 14 x 500 lb LDGP Mk 82 bombs + 32 x countermeasures (7,000 lb total)
• 14 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs + 32 x countermeasures (10,500 lb total)
• 16 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs (12,000 lb total)
• 6 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs + 2 x 2,000 lb LDGP Mk 84 bombs + 32 x countermeasures (8,500 lb total)
• 8 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs + 2 x 2,000 lb LDGP Mk 84 bombs (10,000 lb total)
• 8 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs + 2 x 3,000 lb M118 bombs (12,000 lb total)
• 6 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs + 2 x 3,000 lb M118 bombs + 32 x countermeasures (10,500 lb total)
• 11 x 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs (11,000 lb total)
• 5 x 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs + 2 x 3,000 lb M118 bombs (11,000 lb total)
• 3 x 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs + 2 x 3,000 lb M118 bombs + 32 x countermeasures (9,000 lb total)
• 3 x 2,000 lb LDGP Mk 84 bombs (6,000 lb total)
• 3 x 2,000 lb LDGP Mk 84 bombs + 32 x countermeasures (6,000 lb total)
• 3 x 3,000 lb M118 bombs (9,000 lb total)
• 3 x 3,000 lb M118 bombs + 32 x countermeasures (9,000 lb total)

Multirole:

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• 6 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs + 2 x AGM-12C Bullpup missiles + 4 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles (4,500 lb total)
• 6 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs + 2 x AGM-12C Bullpup missiles + 4 x AIM-9E Sidewinder missiles (4,500 lb total)
• 6 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs + 2 x AGM-12B Bullpup missiles + 4 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles (4,500 lb total)
• 6 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs + 2 x AGM-12B Bullpup missiles + 4 x AIM-9E Sidewinder missiles (4,500 lb total)
• 3 x 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs + 2 x AGM-12B Bullpup missiles + 4 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles (3,000 lb total)
• 3 x 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs + 2 x AGM-12B Bullpup missiles + 4 x AIM-9E Sidewinder missiles (3,000 lb total)
• 3 x 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs + 2 x AGM-12C Bullpup missiles + 4 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles (3,000 lb total)
• 3 x 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs + 2 x AGM-12C Bullpup missiles + 4 x AIM-9E Sidewinder missiles (3,000 lb total)
• 14 x 500 lb LDGP Mk 82 bombs + 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles (7,000 lb total)
• 14 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs + 4 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles (10,500 lb total)
• 14 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs + 4 x AIM-9E Sidewinder missiles (10,500 lb total)
• 6 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs + 2 x 2,000 lb LDGP Mk 84 bombs + 4 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles (8,500 lb total)
• 6 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs + 2 x 2,000 lb LDGP Mk 84 bombs + 4 x AIM-9E Sidewinder missiles (8,500 lb total)
• 6 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs + 2 x 3,000 lb M118 bombs + 4 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles (10,500 lb total)
• 6 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs + 2 x 3,000 lb M118 bombs + 4 x AIM-9E Sidewinder missiles (10,500 lb total)
• 9 x 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs + 4 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles (9,000 lb total)
• 9 x 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs + 4 x AIM-9E Sidewinder missiles (9,000 lb total)
• 3 x 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs + 2 x 3,000 lb M118 bombs + 4 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles (9,000 lb total)
• 3 x 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs + 2 x 3,000 lb M118 bombs + 4 x AIM-9E Sidewinder missiles (9,000 lb total)
• 3 x 2,000 lb LDGP Mk 84 bombs + 4 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles (6,000 lb total)
• 3 x 2,000 lb LDGP Mk 84 bombs + 4 x AIM-9E Sidewinder missiles (6,000 lb total)
• 3 x 3,000 lb M118 bombs + 4 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles (9,000 lb total)
• 3 x 3,000 lb M118 bombs + 4 x AIM-9E Sidewinder missiles (9,000 lb total)

The F-105 carries a range of bombs, but the payloads an F-105 pilot will likely most often use are:

• 16 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs (12,000 lb total) This payload is best for bombing bases. It takes seven M117 bombs to destroy a base at 9.7, and with 16 bombs, dropping in 5 pairs of 2 and 6 individual drops, an F-105 can easily pickle off four pairs of bombs (8 total) before using the remaining ones to destroy another base, lighting the afterburner, and heading for home.

• 14 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs + 4 x AIM-9E Sidewinder missiles (10,500 lb total) This payload is one of the best for bombing bases and then switching into an Air to Air role. The AIM-9E missiles are capable against aircraft that are slow, and useful for causing faster aircraft to maneuver to avoid missiles, forcing them to lose speed and giving you a chance to close the gap.
• 6 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs + 2 x 3,000 lb M118 bombs + 4 x AIM-9E Sidewinder missiles (10,500 lb total) One of the single most effective payloads, this may be used as a substitute for the above payload if a pilot dislikes having to pickle off eight bombs individually, as now, with a single push of a button, two M118s come sliding off the rails. These two bombs combined are more than enough for a base, but are also effective in their own right as Capture-point clearing bombs, or for destroying aircraft staying on the airfield near the end of a match. Campers beware!
• 6 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs + 2 x AGM-12C Bullpup missiles + 4 x AIM-9E Sidewinder missiles (4,500 lb total) Two heavy-duty bullpups and four sidewinders make for a powerful punch against both ground and air targets. The M117s are there merely as additional ordnance, and may be jettisoned where necessary for a cleaner aircraft, or used against enemy targets.

Note that nowhere in these payloads are any provisions for the LDGP Mark 82 500lbs bombs provided stock, the LDGP Mark 83 1000lb bomb, or the AGM-12B/sidewinder combinations. This is because the M117s make the Mark 83 effectively redundant, as they carry nearly 210 kilograms of TNT equivalent- the F-105 can carry more of these bombs, and while at first, the Mk 83's additional 66 kilograms of TNT equivalent (for a total of 276kg per thousand-pound bomb) seem like an improvement, the M117 has nearly identical fragment dispersion/vehicle kill radii, as well as only 7mm less armour penetration. Coupled with the aircraft's ballistic computer for precision-bombing, experienced pilots shouldn't need the extra explosive mass to secure a kill, and since on a single hardpoint, the F-105 carries more M117s than Mark 83s (4-6 as opposed to 3 for the Mark 83), even novice pilots may find it easier to use the M117, since they have more M117s to drop. Pilots will also find it easier to acquire the M117 than the Mark 83 on this aircraft, as M117s are available as a Tier I modification, while Mark 83s are in Tier II, and the Thunderchief has far more Tier II modifications that should take a higher priority over the Mark 83, such as the booster or AIM-9B upgrade.

Chaff is not advisable for the F-105D. At this battle rating, the F-105 faces mostly IR missiles, and given its flight performance, pilots must rely on maneuvering alone to defeat the AIM-9Bs, AIM-9Es, R-3Ss, AIM-9Gs that are typical to planes around the 8.7-9.7 BR range, as well as the occasional R-60s, AIM-9Js/Rb 24Js, and rare AIM-7C, AIM-7D and AIM-7E sparrows that it can face from time to time. All of these missiles can be defeated with appropriate maneuvering and avoidance of enemy aircraft, making chaff pods entirely redundant, and at the moment, just something that takes up more space on a hard point that could be used by a bomb, missile, or rocket pod. However, in Ground RB, chaff may be useful in temporarily spoofing early missile and gun AAA. However, no AAA at that BR is entirely radar-based, and most radar-based SPAAGs use their radar to determine only a target solution rather than guide any sort of weapon. For instance, the most common anti-aircraft missile systems in Ground RB- the Roland 1, Type 93, Ozelot, 2S6 and ADATS- all use either IR guidance or a form of Semi-Active beam-riding guidance that completely ignores chaff.

Four AGM-12Bs is the maximum amount of guided ordnance that the F-105D can carry, if a pilot requires a lot of guided missiles to take out tanks in Ground RB. However, due to the ballistic computer, it is often better to take bombs instead, since you can drop from higher up and on different flight profiles where enemy tanks and SPAAs do not expect air attack.

The Mighty Mouse FFARs that it recieves are effective, but slightly underpowered compared to the Zunis, S-8s, S-24s, S-25s and 13,5cm m/70 other similar aircraft in and around its battle rating recieve. However, at the moment, the LAU-3s cannot be used with AIM-9Es, bombs, or any other payloads outside of either on their own or with chaff. This makes bringing FFARs a sub-par option compared to other ordnance options already available for the F-105D Thunderchief.

Usage in battles

Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).

Usage against Ground Targets

While the F-105 can carry up to four air-to-ground guided missiles, it can only do this with four AGM-12Bs. This load is hardly optimal, particularly since with the ballistic computer, bombs might be far more effective anyhow, and you get AGM-12Cs anyway- but only two of them. Keep in mind, however, that with this payload, you cannot carry AIM-9Es for self-defense, nor chaff for spoofing radar. While still able to kill ground targets, this payload's effectiveness is sometimes questionable in the face of the other payloads this versatile aircraft is capable of carrying. When carrying AIM-9Es or chaff pods, the amount of air-to-ground missiles that the aircraft is able to carry drops to two. The aircraft can only carry two AGM-12s and AIM-9Es with bombs anyway, meaning that using combined loads of AGM-12Bs and missiles/chaff is entirely moot once AGM-12Cs are unlocked and available to the player. The F-105 lacks any fire-and-forget air-to-ground ordnance, as well as any kind of good stand-off ordnance to use against SPAAs. This means that aircraft is vulnerable to radar-guided gun AAA as well as enemy surface-to-air missiles, since novice pilots will have to fly low in order to use the bombs, the AGM-12s require constant attention to hit moving targets, and the aircraft lacks any sort of standoff ordnance to use against AAA while staying at an appreciable distance away.

The F-105 is equipped with a full range of ballistic computer functionality, including a Constantly Computed Impact Point function for bombs and rockets that shows the pilot where a bomb will fall when dropped, and a Constantly Computed Release Point function that uses the powerful onboard radar system to paint a target on the ground, and it gives the pilot an alert when "release authority" is handed over at a point where if the bomb is dropped, the projectile will hit the target selected. The CCRP system is effective at any altitude, but requires the pilot to have good timing and knowledge of the system being used. The CCIP system is also useable from most altitudes, but is most effective in dives below 1000 metres above ground level, meaning that the pilot will have to fly low, exposing themselves to enemy fire as a result. While this is not usually a problem in Air RB, in Ground RB, where ground-based Short-Range Air Defense (SHORAD) is present, the aircraft is particularly vulnerable to radar-assisted Gun AAA, enemy IR/Beam-riding SAMs and even enemy machine-guns and main cannons.

Despite this vulnerability, the aircraft is extremely tough and survivable.

Pros and cons

Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in the bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".

Pros:

• High speed and energy retention for Boom & Zoom tactics
• Good dogfighter at high speeds with a surprising amount of pull
• Good acceleration
• Effective control authority at speeds in excess of ~700km/h
• Excellent takeoff flaps with a high rip speed (~823km/h) that may be used during combat
• High pull at speeds of ~1000km/h (12G-14G)
• Excellent M61 Vulcan cannon with large ammo pool
• Excellent range of payloads
• Shrugs off damage to wings, airframe and fuselage
• Four AIM-9Es for air to air work
• Good search radar

Cons:

• Lacks armour
• Easily set ablaze from the side and rear
• Acceleration is middling compared to other aircraft; take care not to lose too much speed
• Bad low speed handling
• Tail control easily disabled by missiles or gunfire
• Large target while turning
• No flares; vulnerable to IR missiles
• Chaff pods supplant AIM-9Es and/or air-to-ground ordnance, and have a relatively low countermeasure count
• Its own IR missiles are mediocre, and do not pull hard enough or have a high enough track rate for dogfights
• Lacks advanced TV/Laser-guided missiles
• Radar lacks ACM mode, changeable FOV or changeable range, and may only be used as a rangefinder
• High minimum landing approach speed may be difficult for novice jet players
• High payload results in sluggish performance with full loads of bombs
• Extremely high fuel consumption on Afterburner; requires careful management of fuel supply on minimum or 20 minutes fuel load

History

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Media

Videos

The Shooting Range #283 - Metal Beasts section at 00:28 discusses the F-105D.

See also

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