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{{About
 
{{About
 
| about = Italian medium tank '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
 
| about = Italian medium tank '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
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| link-1 = M4 Sherman (Family)
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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
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The '''M4 Hybrid (Composito) Sherman IC Firefly''' is an up-gunned modification of the [[M4 Hybrid (Italy)|M4 Hybrid]], which is the special combination of the first and second variants of the early-generation [[M4 Sherman (Family)|Medium Tank M4 (Sherman) family]]. The turret of the original [[Sherman Firefly|M4A4 Sherman VC Firefly]] is directly mounted on an [[M4 Hybrid (Italy)|M4 Hybrid variant]] hull rather than the regular [[M4A4 (Italy)|M4A4 variant]] hull, making it a very distinctive derivative of the M4A4 Sherman IC Firefly. This is a unique tank that served mostly with the Italian Army and is armed with the powerful 76 mm Ordnance QF 17-pounder tank gun. Due to the scarcity of historical information on this vehicle, it is unknown to what extent this unique derivation of the famed "firefly" truly engaged in World War II. Following the reconstruction of Italy in 1945, some M4 Hybrid (Composito) Sherman IC Firefly tanks were transported to the country and redesignated as M4 Tipo IC Composito. A minor military command for the territorial defence was founded in 1946, and the unit received numerous other M4 Sherman variants. They laid the groundwork for Italy's first post-war tanker training school. All M4 Sherman variants were formally decommissioned in 1952.
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a Rank {{Specs|rank}} Italian medium tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.85 "Supersonic"]].
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Introduced in [[Update 1.85 "Supersonic"]], the M4 Tipo IC Composito in the Italian Army ground forces is comparable to its British counterpart, as it was delivered by the British Army after World War II to aid in the reconstruction of Italy and the development of a territory defence force. The M4 Tipo IC Composito, armed with the renowned 76 mm Ordnance QF 17-pounder tank gun, will provide players with an extremely substantial increase in firepower above the early variants of the M4 Sherman used by the Italian Army ground forces, which were equipped with the 75 mm M3 tank gun. The M4 Tipo IC Composito, along with the M4A4 Sherman VC Firefly, will form the major backbone of the Italian Army's ground forces; however, it lacks access to armour-piercing discarding sabot (APDS) ammunition, which the latter has.
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
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'''Armour type:'''
  
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* Cast homogeneous armour (Hull Front, turret, turret cupola)
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* Rolled homogeneous armour (Hull sides, rear and roof, add-on bustle, turret roof)
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{| class="wikitable"
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! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
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| Hull || 50.8 mm (8-74°) ''Upper Glacis'' <br> 50.8 mm (2-59°) ''Lower Glacis'' || 38.1 mm ''Lower'' <br> 50.8 ''Upper Front'' <br> 38.1 ''Upper Rear'' || 38.1 mm || 50.8 mm ''Front'' <br> 19.05 mm ''Rear''
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|Turret || 50 mm - 76.2 mm (Varying Angles) ''Turret Front'' <br> 38.1 + 38.1 mm (cylindrical) ''Gun mantlet'' || 50.8 mm || 63.5 mm ''Original Bustle'' <br> 63.5 mm ''Add-on Bustle'' || 25.4 mm ''Crew Compartment'' <br> 50.8 mm ''Original Bustle'' <br> 25.4 mm ''Add-on Bustle''
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|Cupola || colspan="3" style="text-align:center" | 50.8 mm || 25.4 mm
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|}
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'''Notes:'''
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* 25.4 mm Plates Cover Portions of the Hull Sides
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* Tracks - 20 mm
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* Suspension - 10 to 15 mm
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* Fenders - 10 mm
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* Main Gun - 20 mm
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* Machine Guns - 10 mm
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The {{PAGENAME}} has survivability similar to that of the American M4A1 Sherman. The armour is not strong for the battle rating and most enemies, save for SPAA, will go right through the front. If the tank is penetrated it is likely that at least two of the five crew will survive, depending on where the shot hits and how much HE filler it has. The gun breech is quite large, and it can often save the crew members on one side from the shrapnel of a penetration to the other side of the turret. Additionally, almost all the ammunition is stored in the hull floor, while a minority is stored in the turret basket; this means it is unlikely for the ammunition to explode under most circumstances. Despite these factors, almost every penetration will cause crippling damage - either immobilizing the tank or disabling the main gun, which allows the enemy to take a second finishing shot soon after. In summary, the survivability of the {{PAGENAME}} is not to be relied upon as it will rarely survive two shots and will almost never bounce a shot. As such, you should plan your route in order to avoid frontal engagements with the enemy.
  
 
=== Mobility ===
 
=== Mobility ===
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=== Modifications and economy ===
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{{Specs-Economy}}
  
 
== Armaments ==
 
== Armaments ==
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{{Specs-Tank-Armaments}}
 
=== Main armament ===
 
=== Main armament ===
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{{main|QF 17-pounder (76 mm)}}
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
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|-
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! colspan="5" | [[QF 17-pounder (76 mm)|76 mm QF 17-pounder]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
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! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
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! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
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! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
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! ''Arcade''
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| rowspan="2" | 65 || rowspan="2" | -5°/+25° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 22.8 || 31.6 || 38.4 || 42.5 || 45.2 || rowspan="2" | 7.67 || rowspan="2" | 6.79 || rowspan="2" | 6.25 || rowspan="2" | 5.90
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! ''Realistic''
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| 14.3 || 16.8 || 20.4 || 22.6 || 24.0
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==== Ammunition ====
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{{:QF 17-pounder (76 mm)/Ammunition|Shot Mk.6, Shell Mk.1, Shot Mk.4, Shot Mk.8, 17pdr Shell SS Mk.1}}
  
* One 76.2 mm QF 17-pounder (77 rounds)
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==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
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[[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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! Full<br>ammo
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! 1st<br>rack empty
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! 2nd<br>rack empty
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! 3rd<br>rack empty
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! 4th<br>rack empty
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! 5th<br>rack empty
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! Visual<br>discrepancy
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| '''65''' || 46&nbsp;''(+19)'' || 26&nbsp;''(+39)'' || 6&nbsp;''(+59)'' || 4&nbsp;''(+61)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+64)'' || No
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'''Note''':
  
=== Additional armament ===
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* Shells are modeled individually and disappear from the rack after having been shot or loaded.
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=== Machine guns ===
 
=== Machine guns ===
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{{main|M2HB (12.7 mm)|L3A1 (7.62 mm)}}
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
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! colspan="5" | [[M2HB (12.7 mm)|12.7 mm M2HB]]
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! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
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| Pintle || 800 (200) || 577 || -10°/+15° || ±180°
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The roof-mounted Browning .50 cal heavy machine gun is very good at knocking out tracks, punching through lightly armoured vehicles and shooting down low-flying aircraft.
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
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| Coaxial || 5,000 (250) || 500 || N/A || N/A
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The small calibre of the L3A1 machine gun makes it largely ineffective against all armoured vehicles but the ones with an open compartment. It still can be used to ping targets as a rangefinding help or to mow down minor obstacles blocking your line of sight.
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A second hull-mounted .30 cal machine gun is modeled but not usable.
  
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
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The {{PAGENAME}} is almost identical to the British Sherman Firefly, with minor cosmetic differences, an additional crew member, and a weaker overall gun mantlet. The player can be confidently rely on the mighty 17-pounder gun to effectively neutralize other tanks regardless of the angles (including the frontal armour of the Tiger or the T-34s). It excels at sniping from a distance and can also can spearhead an attack if needed.
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'''Enemies worth noting:'''
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R3 T20 FA-HS (AB):
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This speedy wheeled vehicle can circle around you with ease and wipe out all your crew with its fast firing autocannon. In a close encounter, never expose your side to it, and do not even angle your hull. Face your hull directly to the R3, because on each side of the cast hull, above the inducer wheel there is a triangular area that blends and connects the upper front plate to the side. By angling the hull, this triangle becomes unangled to the R3, making it easily penetrated, and the driver / gunner will usually get knocked out first. It is harder for the R3 to penetrate your unangled hull thus giving you more time to react and destroy it.
  
 
=== Pros and cons ===
 
=== Pros and cons ===
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'''Pros:'''
 
'''Pros:'''
  
* Same 17-pdr armament as the Sherman Firefly
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* Powerful British 17-pdr gun
* Has a .50 cal for defense against pesky aircraft
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* Has a .50 cal HMG for defence against aircraft
* Good mobility, as with all variants of the Sherman
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* Good mobility, as with all Shermans
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* Cast hull does not have the thin armour weak spots of the M4A1
  
 
'''Cons:'''
 
'''Cons:'''
  
* Armor can be penetrated by most enemies at its rank
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* Armour can be penetrated by most enemies at its battle rating
* No HE-filler in any of its AP shells at all, meaning that a shot either has to detonate the ammo rack of a target, or disable its ability to fire back, in order to allow a follow up shot
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* No HE filler in any of its AP shells, meaning that a shot either has to detonate the ammo rack of a target or generate enough spalling to take out the tank
 
* .50 cal machine gun can't elevate very high; can only engage low-flying aircraft
 
* .50 cal machine gun can't elevate very high; can only engage low-flying aircraft
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* Poor gun depression of only -5°
  
 
== History ==
 
== History ==
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==== ''Professional's touch'' ====
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{{main|Sherman_Firefly#History|l1=History of the Sherman Firefly}}
''One person deemed responsible for completing the project was W.G.K. Kilbourn, a professional engineer at Vickers stationed at Chertsey when the DTD assigned him the 17-pounder Sherman.[[Sherman IC "Trzyniec"#cite note-FletcherDesign-6|[6]]] He managed to fit the 17-pounder gun into the Sherman turret by extensively modifying the gun. He replaced the recoil cylinders with shorter ones mounted on the sides, opposite to each other top and bottom, on a special cradle, modified the gun barrel to fit onto the cradle for better support, and placed the gun breech to open horizontally (contrary to the statement that the gun was simply rotated 90 degrees sideways as the operators of the gun has not been rotated along with the breech).[[Sherman IC "Trzyniec"#cite note-MoransVideoPt2-7|[7]]] The redesigned 17-pounder, named Mk IV, was built on November 11, 1943, at the Royal Ordnance Factory and could fit into the Sherman turret,[[Sherman IC "Trzyniec"#cite note-FletcherDesign-6|[6]]] but now the concern was on the crew inside. The massive breech of the modified 17-pounder ate up a lot of internal space and isolated the loader on the left side of the gun and turret; the solution was to cut a hole on top of the loader's position and add a hatch. The radio, usually mounted on the rear of the turret, was deemed too close to the recoiling breech for comfort. An armoured box was welded to the turret rear for the radio and a hole cut into the turret rear for operating the radio away from the recoiling gun. The armoured box also had the benefit of acting as a counter-weight for the longer and heavier gun for the turret.[[Sherman IC "Trzyniec"#cite note-FletcherConversion-8|[8]]] Finally, there was an issue of ammo stowage for the larger and heavier 17-pdr rounds, 6 inches longer than the 75 mm shells. The stowage on the tank was in bins in the turret for ready access. Still, a bulk of it was placed under the turret floor that could only be accessed when the turret was aligned a specific position for each bin, making them more for replenishing the ready racks during breaks in combat. To increase the storage for more 17-pounder rounds, the bow machine gunner was removed along with his machine gun (the port welded over by a prominent wedge-shaped armour) and a rack holding 15 rounds placed in his location; however, the position for the rack was also impossible to reach during combat, and one location on the rack was so hard to get to that it wasn't used, making the total stowage 14 rounds instead.[[Sherman IC "Trzyniec"#cite note-FletcherDesign-6|[6]]]''
 
  
''Kilbourn's efforts and those of assisting engineers managed to finally fit the large 17-pounder gun into the constrained space of the Sherman turret intended to mount the 75 mm gun, as well as perform the necessary modifications to accommodate combat usage of the vehicle. It then moved onto the next stage of being approved for service.''
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=== In Italian Service ===
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[[File:M4 Tipo IC .png|thumb|Impression of an M4 Tipo IC on parade]]
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The Firefly first saw action in Italy in British, American, and Polish hands in the Italian Campaign in 1944, but were ceased since heavy German armour proved to be a challenging opponent for the Firefly. After WW2, Italy was supplied with tanks by the US and UK, such as the [[Sherman Firefly]] (designated as M4 Tipo IC or [[Sherman Vc (Italy)|M4 Tipo VC]] depending on the variant) and [[M24 (Italy)|M24 Chaffee]], which were commissioned in 1947. At that time, Italy created the first nucleus for the formation of a tankers school and on the 1st of October officially formed the Military School Organization.
  
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The M4 Tipo ICs were decommissioned and scrapped in 1952.
''Inspection of the completed Sherman with the 17-pdr started on January 06, 1944, and the War Office wrote a requirement for up to 2,100 of the tanks to be up-gunned. Not every Sherman could follow the conversion, whether by technical or logistics limitations, and only petrol-engined, M34A1 gun mounted, and have a hydraulic turret traverse system. This meant that the Shermans I converted were the [[Firefly «Scorpion»|Sherman I]] ([[M4]]), Sherman I Hybrid (M4 "Composite"), and [[Sherman Firefly|Sherman V]] (M4A4). Technically the [[Sherman II]] ([[M4A1]]) and Sherman III ([[M4A3 (76) W|M4A3]]) were also eligible for conversion with those standards, but information on the Sherman II are scarce and photographic evidence of cast hull converted Shermans usually turn out to be Sherman I Hybrids; Sherman III are all allocated to the U.S. Army as their mainstay tank, so no M4A3 were even available in British service to convert.[[Sherman IC "Trzyniec"#cite note-FletcherConversion-8|[8]]] Tanks armed with the 17-pounder were designated by a "C" in the name at the end of their mark number, leading to names such as the "Sherman VC" to denote an M4A4 with the 17-pounder conversion. Troops with the up-gunned Sherman, as early as March 1944, described the tank as a '''Firefly''', regardless of the type.[[Sherman IC "Trzyniec"#cite note-FletcherName-9|[9]]] How it got the name is debatable, but it is most likely due to the very prominent muzzle flash that the 17-pounder produces when firing.[[Sherman IC "Trzyniec"#cite note-ZalogaCh4British-10|[10]]]''
 
  
''Still, as D-Day approached for the Allied forces and the A30 Challenger was continually delayed, the eagerness of the troops to acquire the Firefly rose substantially. Four factories were prioritized for the conversion, two at London, one at Manchester, and another at Nottingham. From the conversion period of 1944 to 1945, up to and between 2,100 to 2,200 Fireflies were converted, making it the most-produced tank with the 17-pounder of the war. Allocation of the Fireflies was one troop per three Sherman troop (troop was an equivalent of a platoon and consisted of 4 tanks). Still, even regiments that were equipped with Cromwells were supplemented with Fireflies until the A30 Challenger was fit for service. The Fireflies were also allocated to Canadian and Polish corps.[[Sherman IC "Trzyniec"#cite note-FletcherConversion-8|[8]]] Due to the relative newness of the Firefly, most of the training done on the utilization and deployment of the Fireflies were done on the combat field by each regiment.[[Sherman IC "Trzyniec"#cite note-FletcherDesign-6|[6]]]''
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== Media ==
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=== ''Combat usage'' ===
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==== ''Fighting at the theaters'' ====
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* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=it_sherman_VII Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
''The Firefly's first combat action on D-Day was not on the land of Normandy but the sea. The Fireflies were assigned a unique role, while on the LCT that would carry them to the beaches, would fire over the berm towards concrete fortifications and blast them with the 17-pdr. Six Fireflies were allotted, separated into pairs, to D.D. tank regiments of the British 13th/18th Hussars at Sword Beach, and the Canadians 1st Hussars and Fort Garry Horse at Juno. Though 13th/18th Hussars were reported not to have fired their Fireflies on the way in, 1st Hussars seemed to have good experiences with it in the rough weather. Once the LCT reached the shore, the Fireflies were ordered to disembark and head inland, finishing off obstacles and join their original tank regiments.[[Sherman IC "Trzyniec"#cite note-FletcherConcrete-11|[11]]]''
 
  
''The first non-DD tank regiment with Fireflies to land was the Staffordshire Yeomanry, which had at least 12 Sherman VC with 48 Sherman IIIs, however, little information exists on how it performed on the opening days of the Normandy campaign. Other regiments were originally D.D. tanks with Fireflies but were employed as regular tank regiments once inland.[[Sherman IC "Trzyniec"#cite note-FletcherConcrete-11|[11]]] One of such regiments was the Sherwood Rangers Yeomanry. It was they who, a few days after the landings, deduced that the Germans seemed to be targeting their Fireflies specifically for their long guns. Though this deduction was not supported by evidence (19% of total Fireflies were lost, but 29% of regular tanks were lost), the concern of Firefly loss was great because of the supply issue. As illustrated that though 22 Fireflies were lost, by June 23 only six replacements had arrived. Experience from the ground and the density of heavy German tanks changed some initial organization of one Firefly troop per three Sherman troop into one Firefly per tank troop. Fireflies were in such high demand that some commanders have expressed thought of obtaining the [[Achilles|17-pdr armed M10]] as a supplement.[[Sherman IC "Trzyniec"#cite note-FletcherAction-12|[12]]] The units acquiring the Fireflies appreciated what they had as it was the only tank in Normandy in the Summer of 1944 that had a reasonable chance of defeating a [[Panther G|Panther]] or [[Tiger E|Tiger]] at combat ranges in the front.[[Sherman IC "Trzyniec"#cite note-ZalogaCh6AmericanFirefly-13|[13]]] The Firefly is most likely the responsible tank that destroyed the Tiger tank containing the Tiger Ace Michael Wittmann on August 08, 1944.[[Sherman IC "Trzyniec"#cite note-ZalogaChampionFirefly-14|[14]]]''
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''Once Firefly supply to the Normandy campaign was satisfied in October 1944, Fireflies were allocated to the Italian theatre, shared out to the Polish, Canadian, New Zealand, British, and South African regiments stationed there. With that, the supply issue arose in that theatre for the Firefly, causing the units that received the Fireflies to treasure them much. Heeding the comments on how Fireflies were singled out for their long guns, there were attempts to hide the prominent gun barrels, ranging from deceptive paint schemes, camouflage, and even dummy barrels on the back of the Firefly turret that would be pointed forward to mimic the short 75 mm gun.[[Sherman IC "Trzyniec"#cite note-FletcherAction-12|[12]]]''
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[[File:The British Army in the Normandy Campaign 1944 .jpg|thumb|none|350px|<small>A British Firefly during the Normandy Campaign 1944<ref>http://www.theshermantank.com/sherman/the-firefly-the-teapot-with-teeth/</ref></small>]]
  
''Still, the Firefly served in the British Armies in the European Theater of Operations up to and until May 1945, when they were retired along with the end of the war for the replacement of better designs like the [[Comet I|Comet cruiser tank]] and the [[Centurion Mk 1|Centurion tank]].''
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{{Youtube-gallery|Ege0ylN0RCA|'''Lookback: {{PAGENAME}}''' - ''Orangefan''|YK_kiOv7cJo|'''{{PAGENAME}} Composito, Italian, Tier-3, Medium Tank''' - ''Angry Nerd Gaming''}}
  
==== ''Reception'' ====
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== See also ==
''The Firefly's performance was favorable for the troops that had to use them against the heavy German tanks. Though a good portion of Germany's armour in the Normandy front were Panthers, a good majority were still [[Pz.IV H|Panzer IVs]] and self-propelled guns,[[Sherman IC "Trzyniec"#cite note-ZalogaChampionFirefly-14|[14]]] all of which were manageable with the 75 mm guns. Field reports by a Colonel W.E.H. Grylls in 1945[[Sherman IC "Trzyniec"#cite note-FletcherAction-12|[12]]] helped highlight the troop's sentiments on the Firefly in combat, and especially their deficiencies. The muzzle brake sometimes came loose from an inadequate locking design. The traverse gear also failed at times due to the extra turret weight from the gun, rain leaked into the radio box on some tanks, internal space for the Firefly turret crew was comparatively cramped to the Sherman's, the muzzle flash at the gun's muzzle brake can obscure the target enough that it is difficult to ensure the firing round hit it, and muzzle flash on the breech end of the gun inside the turret tends to cause a fair share of discomfort and uneasiness for the crew. Grylls also highlighted the crew praise on how the Firefly managed not to catch fire as quickly as Shermans. However, this is deduced to by the placement of the majority of ammunition on the bottom of the hull, like the "wet stowage" arrangement on the newer [[M4A1 (76) W|Sherman models]]. Some of the deficiencies were fixed, such as the flashback at the breech end by implementing a delayed action breech on the 17-pounder Mk.VII model, but all these faults never diminished the Firefly's popularity, highlighted by the statements of Field Marshall Bernard Montgomery that he wished to have Fireflies replace all types of Shermans in British service.[[Sherman IC "Trzyniec"#cite note-FletcherAction-12|[12]]]''
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This page is about the Italian medium tank Sherman Ic. For other versions, see M4 Sherman (Family). For other uses, see M4 (Disambiguation).
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Sherman Ic
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Description

The M4 Hybrid (Composito) Sherman IC Firefly is an up-gunned modification of the M4 Hybrid, which is the special combination of the first and second variants of the early-generation Medium Tank M4 (Sherman) family. The turret of the original M4A4 Sherman VC Firefly is directly mounted on an M4 Hybrid variant hull rather than the regular M4A4 variant hull, making it a very distinctive derivative of the M4A4 Sherman IC Firefly. This is a unique tank that served mostly with the Italian Army and is armed with the powerful 76 mm Ordnance QF 17-pounder tank gun. Due to the scarcity of historical information on this vehicle, it is unknown to what extent this unique derivation of the famed "firefly" truly engaged in World War II. Following the reconstruction of Italy in 1945, some M4 Hybrid (Composito) Sherman IC Firefly tanks were transported to the country and redesignated as M4 Tipo IC Composito. A minor military command for the territorial defence was founded in 1946, and the unit received numerous other M4 Sherman variants. They laid the groundwork for Italy's first post-war tanker training school. All M4 Sherman variants were formally decommissioned in 1952.

Introduced in Update 1.85 "Supersonic", the M4 Tipo IC Composito in the Italian Army ground forces is comparable to its British counterpart, as it was delivered by the British Army after World War II to aid in the reconstruction of Italy and the development of a territory defence force. The M4 Tipo IC Composito, armed with the renowned 76 mm Ordnance QF 17-pounder tank gun, will provide players with an extremely substantial increase in firepower above the early variants of the M4 Sherman used by the Italian Army ground forces, which were equipped with the 75 mm M3 tank gun. The M4 Tipo IC Composito, along with the M4A4 Sherman VC Firefly, will form the major backbone of the Italian Army's ground forces; however, it lacks access to armour-piercing discarding sabot (APDS) ammunition, which the latter has.

General info

Survivability and armour

Smoke grenades
Creation of a smoke screen in front of the vehicle
Armourfront / side / back
Hull63 / 38 / 38
Turret76 / 50 / 63
Crew5 people
Visibility108 %

Armour type:

  • Cast homogeneous armour (Hull Front, turret, turret cupola)
  • Rolled homogeneous armour (Hull sides, rear and roof, add-on bustle, turret roof)
Armour Front (Slope angle) Sides Rear Roof
Hull 50.8 mm (8-74°) Upper Glacis
50.8 mm (2-59°) Lower Glacis
38.1 mm Lower
50.8 Upper Front
38.1 Upper Rear
38.1 mm 50.8 mm Front
19.05 mm Rear
Turret 50 mm - 76.2 mm (Varying Angles) Turret Front
38.1 + 38.1 mm (cylindrical) Gun mantlet
50.8 mm 63.5 mm Original Bustle
63.5 mm Add-on Bustle
25.4 mm Crew Compartment
50.8 mm Original Bustle
25.4 mm Add-on Bustle
Cupola 50.8 mm 25.4 mm

Notes:

  • 25.4 mm Plates Cover Portions of the Hull Sides
  • Tracks - 20 mm
  • Suspension - 10 to 15 mm
  • Fenders - 10 mm
  • Main Gun - 20 mm
  • Machine Guns - 10 mm

The Sherman Ic has survivability similar to that of the American M4A1 Sherman. The armour is not strong for the battle rating and most enemies, save for SPAA, will go right through the front. If the tank is penetrated it is likely that at least two of the five crew will survive, depending on where the shot hits and how much HE filler it has. The gun breech is quite large, and it can often save the crew members on one side from the shrapnel of a penetration to the other side of the turret. Additionally, almost all the ammunition is stored in the hull floor, while a minority is stored in the turret basket; this means it is unlikely for the ammunition to explode under most circumstances. Despite these factors, almost every penetration will cause crippling damage - either immobilizing the tank or disabling the main gun, which allows the enemy to take a second finishing shot soon after. In summary, the survivability of the Sherman Ic is not to be relied upon as it will rarely survive two shots and will almost never bounce a shot. As such, you should plan your route in order to avoid frontal engagements with the enemy.

Mobility

Speedforward / back
AB43 / 6 km/h
RB and SB39 / 6 km/h
Number of gears5 forward
1 back
Weight31.5 t
Engine power
AB763 hp
RB and SB400 hp
Power-to-weight ratio
AB24.2 hp/t
RB and SB12.7 hp/t
Game Mode Max Speed (km/h) Weight (tons) Engine power (horsepower) Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Forward Reverse Stock Upgraded Stock Upgraded
Arcade 43 6 31.5 620 763 19.68 24.22
Realistic 39 6 354 400 11.24 12.7

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference
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RB1 774 → 2 400 Sl icon.png
SB2 199 → 2 975 Sl icon.png
Total cost of modifications35 000 Rp icon.png
68 000 Sl icon.png
Talisman cost1 300 Ge icon.png
Crew training39 000 Sl icon.png
Experts135 000 Sl icon.png
Aces550 Ge icon.png
Research Aces390 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
80 / 130 / 160 % Sl icon.png
154 / 154 / 154 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Mobility Protection Firepower
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Tracks
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Suspension
Research:
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Cost:
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Brake System
Research:
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Cost:
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Filters
Research:
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Cost:
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Transmission
Research:
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Cost:
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Engine
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Cost:
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Improved Parts
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Cost:
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Improved FPE
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Cost:
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Crew Replenishment
Research:
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Cost:
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Horizontal Drive
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Adjustment of Fire
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Elevation Mechanism
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Artillery Support
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Armaments

Main armament

Ammunition65 rounds
First-order5 rounds
Reloadbasic crew → aces
7.6 → 5.9 s
Vertical guidance-5° / 25°
Main article: QF 17-pounder (76 mm)
76 mm QF 17-pounder Turret rotation speed (°/s) Reloading rate (seconds)
Mode Capacity Vertical Horizontal Stabilizer Stock Upgraded Full Expert Aced Stock Full Expert Aced
Arcade 65 -5°/+25° ±180° N/A 22.8 31.6 38.4 42.5 45.2 7.67 6.79 6.25 5.90
Realistic 14.3 16.8 20.4 22.6 24.0

Ammunition

Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
Shot Mk.6 AP 171 168 155 139 126 113
Shell Mk.1 HE 20 20 18 16 15 13
Shot Mk.4 APC 171 168 155 139 126 113
Shot Mk.8 APCBC 190 187 172 155 140 126
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
Shot Mk.6 AP 883 7.71 - - - 47° 60° 65°
Shell Mk.1 HE 883 6.98 0.2 0.1 580 79° 80° 81°
Shot Mk.4 APC 883 7.71 - - - 48° 63° 71°
Shot Mk.8 APCBC 883 7.71 - - - 48° 63° 71°
Smoke shell characteristics
Ammunition Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
mass (kg)
Screen radius
(m)
Screen deploy
time (s)
Screen hold
time (s)
Explosive mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
17pdr Shell SS Mk.1 229 8.44 13 5 20 50

Ammo racks

Ammo racks of the Sherman Ic
Full
ammo
1st
rack empty
2nd
rack empty
3rd
rack empty
4th
rack empty
5th
rack empty
Visual
discrepancy
65 46 (+19) 26 (+39) (+59) (+61) (+64) No

Note:

  • Shells are modeled individually and disappear from the rack after having been shot or loaded.

Machine guns

Ammunition800 rounds
Belt capacity200 rounds
Reloadbasic crew → aces
10.4 → 8.0 s
Fire rate575 shots/min
Vertical guidance-10° / 15°
Ammunition5 000 rounds
Belt capacity250 rounds
Reloadbasic crew → aces
10.4 → 8.0 s
Fire rate500 shots/min
12.7 mm M2HB
Mount Capacity (Belt) Fire rate Vertical Horizontal
Pintle 800 (200) 577 -10°/+15° ±180°

The roof-mounted Browning .50 cal heavy machine gun is very good at knocking out tracks, punching through lightly armoured vehicles and shooting down low-flying aircraft.

7.62 mm L3A1
Mount Capacity (Belt) Fire rate Vertical Horizontal
Coaxial 5,000 (250) 500 N/A N/A

The small calibre of the L3A1 machine gun makes it largely ineffective against all armoured vehicles but the ones with an open compartment. It still can be used to ping targets as a rangefinding help or to mow down minor obstacles blocking your line of sight. A second hull-mounted .30 cal machine gun is modeled but not usable.

Usage in battles

The Sherman Ic is almost identical to the British Sherman Firefly, with minor cosmetic differences, an additional crew member, and a weaker overall gun mantlet. The player can be confidently rely on the mighty 17-pounder gun to effectively neutralize other tanks regardless of the angles (including the frontal armour of the Tiger or the T-34s). It excels at sniping from a distance and can also can spearhead an attack if needed.

Enemies worth noting:

R3 T20 FA-HS (AB):

This speedy wheeled vehicle can circle around you with ease and wipe out all your crew with its fast firing autocannon. In a close encounter, never expose your side to it, and do not even angle your hull. Face your hull directly to the R3, because on each side of the cast hull, above the inducer wheel there is a triangular area that blends and connects the upper front plate to the side. By angling the hull, this triangle becomes unangled to the R3, making it easily penetrated, and the driver / gunner will usually get knocked out first. It is harder for the R3 to penetrate your unangled hull thus giving you more time to react and destroy it.

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Powerful British 17-pdr gun
  • Has a .50 cal HMG for defence against aircraft
  • Good mobility, as with all Shermans
  • Cast hull does not have the thin armour weak spots of the M4A1

Cons:

  • Armour can be penetrated by most enemies at its battle rating
  • No HE filler in any of its AP shells, meaning that a shot either has to detonate the ammo rack of a target or generate enough spalling to take out the tank
  • .50 cal machine gun can't elevate very high; can only engage low-flying aircraft
  • Poor gun depression of only -5°

History

In Italian Service

Impression of an M4 Tipo IC on parade

The Firefly first saw action in Italy in British, American, and Polish hands in the Italian Campaign in 1944, but were ceased since heavy German armour proved to be a challenging opponent for the Firefly. After WW2, Italy was supplied with tanks by the US and UK, such as the Sherman Firefly (designated as M4 Tipo IC or M4 Tipo VC depending on the variant) and M24 Chaffee, which were commissioned in 1947. At that time, Italy created the first nucleus for the formation of a tankers school and on the 1st of October officially formed the Military School Organization.

The M4 Tipo ICs were decommissioned and scrapped in 1952.

Media

Skins
Images
A British Firefly during the Normandy Campaign 1944[1]
Videos

See also

Vehicles equipped with the same gun & turret
Other vehicles of similar configuration and role

External links

References


Department of Tank Design
Medium Tanks 
Sherman Firefly  Sherman Firefly · Sherman IC "Trzyniec"
MBTs 
Centurion  Centurion Mk 1 · Centurion Mk.2 · Centurion Mk 3 · Centurion Action X · Centurion Mk.5 AVRE · Centurion Mk 10
Challenger*  Challenger Mk.2 · Challenger Mk.3 · Challenger DS
Tank Destroyers 
Achilles  Achilles · Achilles (65 Rg.)
Centurion-based  Conway · FV4005
Export 
Sherman Firefly  Sherman Ic · ▄Sherman Vc
Centurion  Centurion Mk.5/1 · Strv 81 · Strv 81 (RB 52) · ▄Strv 81 (RB 52) · Strv 101 · Strv 104** · Strv 105** · Sho't
See also  US Ordnance Department · Israeli Ordnance Corps · Vickers-Armstrongs Limited
  *By successor, the Military Vehicles and Engineering Establishment
  **Swedish modernizations incorporating innovations from the Israeli Sho't Kals.

Italy medium tanks
  Italy
M13/40  M13/40 (I) · M13/40 (II) · M13/40 (III)
M14/41  M14/41 · M14/41 (47/40)
M15/42  M15/42
M16/43  Celere Sahariano
P26/40  P40 · P40 "G.C. Leoncello"
OF-40  OF-40 · OF-40 Mk.2A · OF-40 (MTCA)
Ariete  Ariete (P) · Ariete · Ariete PSO · Ariete AMV
Germany  ▄Pz.III N · ▄Pz.IV G · ▄Leopard 1A5
Allied powers  ▄Sherman I Composito · Sherman Ic · ▄Sherman Vc · ▄Sherman V · M26 "D.C.Ariete" · M26A1 · M47 (105/55) · M60A1 "D.C.Ariete"
  Hungary
Turán  Turan I · Turan II · Turan III
Germany  ◔Leopard 2A4 · Leopard 2A7HU
USSR  ◔T-72M1