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| + | === Realistic Battle === | ||
| + | Like many others in the game, this F-84 is a ground attack aircraft, with air respawn in realistic aerial matches and a series of weapons designed to perform this function. | ||
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| + | ==== Nose Armament ==== | ||
| + | The caliber of the nose weapons, the famous .50 M3 Browning, are very accurate and have a very high rate of fire with a considerable amount of ammunition. These characteristics make it considerably effective for air combat at his battle rate. However, when attacking land vehicles, it's important to note that the ammunition's penetration is not very effective. Even if it penetrates, it often doesn't cause significant damage to the vehicle's internal parts. This can be improved by using incendiary tracer ammunition. Even in Tank RB, I recommend always using tracer ammunition. It consists of incendiary rounds with 'ok' penetration for ground targets. The tracer ammunition can penetrate much of the engine protection of ground vehicles and cause fires, which can be devastating in War Thunder. | ||
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| + | Additionally, tracer ammunition performs well in dogfigths , aiding in aiming and causing fires in planes. It also has enough penetration to kill pilots in head-on engagements, even those with armored glass. Since we are discussing aerial combat, I recommend using short bursts instead of holding down the mouse button. Click as if you were using a semi-automatic weapon. Only fire a longer burst when you are sure you won't miss and want to deal significant damage at once. This will save ammunition and can often cause enough damage to take down the target with just a few shots, especially due to the chance of causing a fire. | ||
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| + | Although in tank mode machine guns cause little damage to player tanks, in aerial matches they can be very effective for ground attacks, especially if the player knows how to manage ammunition, choose targets, and attack them effectively. Here's how to attack them: | ||
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| + | * '''Howitzer''': Fire a short burst of 10 to 20 rounds directly at the cannon. If you hit it, it should be disabled. If you find it difficult to hit with a single burst, try firing 2 to 3 short bursts in succession. This may use up more ammunition, but it can be effective for neutralizing the target. | ||
| + | * '''Light Pillbox''': Try hitting them with bursts of up to 40 shots, aiming directly at the window if you're approaching from the front, or at the door if you're coming from behind. Light pillboxes can endure quite a bit of damage, but targeting these spots often leads to faster destruction, requiring less firepower. | ||
| + | * '''Pillbox''': If you don't have bombs, I suggest avoiding trying to destroy them. | ||
| + | * '''Patrol Boat''': Try to fire a burst of about 50 shots at the bridges, if there are many of these vessels together consider dropping a 1000 pound bomb. | ||
| + | * '''BTR-152''': Fire short bursts of 10 to 20 shots directly at the engine. This can cause fires, and the bots in air mode never extinguish fires. | ||
| + | * '''PT-76-57''': Try hitting them with a short burst directly on the side, perpendicular to the tank, just below the turret, from a distance of max 800 m . With tracer ammunition, you can penetrate the armor, killing the gunner and commander and disabling the vehicle. | ||
| + | * '''Studebaker Truks''': You have the option to shoot at the front of the vehicle, destroying the engine and causing fires from practically any distance you feel confident. Alternatively, you can try to kill the driver and the passenger, which will disable the vehicle. | ||
| + | * '''T-44-100''': I suggest avoiding attempting to destroy this vehicle. It has more armor than the others mentioned, and even if you manage to set the engine on fire, you'll likely need to significantly reduce the plane's speed to make high-angled attacks to penetrate the armor above the motor. It simply isn't worth becoming such a vulnerable target. | ||
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| + | On the other hand, bot planes don't have much mystery, but I recommend always trying to use short bursts to shoot them down. | ||
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| + | === Secondary armamen === | ||
| + | In aerial matches, I recommend customizing your payload with 1000-pound bombs and HVARs mounted at the wingtips (located at hardpoints 1 and 8 as per the wiki). Once the match begins, consider ejecting the HVARs from the wings. While they are mainly there to remove the external fuel tank from the wings, the 24 HVAR pack significantly increases the plane's drag, affecting performance more than the 1000-pound bombs themselves. This could make it challenging for you to maneuver effectively in combat. Therefore, during aerial engagements, it's advisable to eject these rockets. I recommend sticking with the 1000-pound bombs as they can help you earn extra points in matches without significantly affecting the plane's performance. Since you start the match flying at a considerable speed and altitude, the addition of these bombs should not pose a significant hindrance. | ||
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| + | === Operational procedure on some aerial realistic maps === | ||
=== Pros and cons === | === Pros and cons === | ||
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* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=f-84g-31-re_china Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.] | * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=f-84g-31-re_china Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.] | ||
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Revision as of 08:47, 6 June 2024
| This page is about the premium strike aircraft F-84G-31-RE (China). For other versions, see F-84 (Family). |
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Contents
Description
The ␗F-84G-31-RE Thunderjet, known to ROCAF as the 雷霆式 (lit. the Thunderbolt type), was among one of the F-84G series delivered to ROCAF and also being the very last production straight wing F-84. These jets served ROCAF as the gap-filler before new jets were aided and during its 7 years of service, the G series scored a victory over MiGs which were considered to be undefeatable by F-84.
Introduced in Update "Sky Guardians", the jet is mostly identical to the early series of F-84G in ROCAF service other than the delivery and its "block number" at 31; while it might not fit the name of being a fighter due to its conservative designs and underpowered engine (in terms of later jet engines), the air-to-ground ordinances for the jet is rather valuable to the Chinese tech tree which PLAAF happened to lack such jets at its tier. With the premium boost of the jet, players can train themselves for jet ground-attack operations without the assistance of ballistic computers for future jets while earning extra research points and silver lions.
General info
Flight performance
| Characteristics | Max speed (km/h at 0 m - sea level) |
Max altitude (metres) |
Turn time (seconds) |
Rate of climb (metres/second) |
Take-off run (metres) | |||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| AB | RB | AB | RB | AB | RB | |||
| Stock | 976 | 971 | 12500 | 29.0 | 30.4 | 30.8 | 29.2 | 3,000 |
| Upgraded | 994 | 985 | 27.2 | 28.0 | 42.1 | 36.2 | ||
Details
| Features | |||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Combat flaps | Take-off flaps | Landing flaps | Air brakes | Arrestor gear | Drogue chute |
| ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | X | X |
| Limits | ||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Wings (km/h) | Gear (km/h) | Flaps (km/h) | Max Static G | |||
| Combat | Take-off | Landing | + | - | ||
| 1044.75 | 320 | 527 | 499 | 350 | ~11 | ~5 |
| Optimal velocities (km/h) | |||
|---|---|---|---|
| Ailerons | Rudder | Elevators | Radiator |
| < 530 | < 600 | < 690 | - |
Engine performance
| Engine | Aircraft mass | |||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Engine name | Number | Basic mass | Wing loading (full fuel) | |||
| Allison J35-A-29 | 1 | 5,572 kg | 284 kg/m2 | |||
| Engine characteristics | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) | Max Gross Weight | ||||
| Weight (each) | Type | 8m fuel | 20m fuel | 27m fuel | ||
| 1,050 kg | Axial-flow turbojet | 5,963 kg | 6,529 kg | 6,875 kg | 9,541 kg | |
| Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB/SB) | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (100%) | |||||
| Condition | 100% | WEP | 8m fuel | 20m fuel | 27m fuel | MGW |
| Stationary | 2,300 kgf | - | 0.39 | 0.35 | 0.33 | 0.24 |
| Optimal | 2,300 kgf (0 km/h) |
- | 0.39 | 0.35 | 0.33 | 0.24 |
Survivability and armour
Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured, etc. Describe the armour, if there is any, and also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.
Modifications and economy
2 × 130 / 290 / 600 % 2 × 202 / 202 / 202 % | Flight performance | Survivability | Weaponry | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Armaments
Offensive armament
The F-84G-31-RE (China) is armed with:
- 4 x 12.7 mm M3 Browning machine guns, nose-mounted (300 rpg = 1,200 total)
- 2 x 12.7 mm M3 Browning machine guns, wing-mounted (300 rpg = 600 total)
Suspended armament
The F-84G-31-RE (China) can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
| 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | .png) | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 100 lb AN-M30A1 bombs | 1 | 1 | |||||||
| 250 lb AN-M57 bombs | 1 | 1 | |||||||
| 500 lb AN-M64A1 bombs | 1 | 1 | |||||||
| 1,000 lb AN-M65A1 bombs | 1 | 1 | |||||||
| HVAR rockets | 6 | 3 | 3 | 4 | 4 | 3 | 3 | 6 | |
| Tiny Tim rockets | 1 | 1 | |||||||
| Maximum permissible weight imbalance: 900 kg | |||||||||
| Default weapon presets | |
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Usage in battles
Realistic Battle
Like many others in the game, this F-84 is a ground attack aircraft, with air respawn in realistic aerial matches and a series of weapons designed to perform this function.
Nose Armament
The caliber of the nose weapons, the famous .50 M3 Browning, are very accurate and have a very high rate of fire with a considerable amount of ammunition. These characteristics make it considerably effective for air combat at his battle rate. However, when attacking land vehicles, it's important to note that the ammunition's penetration is not very effective. Even if it penetrates, it often doesn't cause significant damage to the vehicle's internal parts. This can be improved by using incendiary tracer ammunition. Even in Tank RB, I recommend always using tracer ammunition. It consists of incendiary rounds with 'ok' penetration for ground targets. The tracer ammunition can penetrate much of the engine protection of ground vehicles and cause fires, which can be devastating in War Thunder.
Additionally, tracer ammunition performs well in dogfigths , aiding in aiming and causing fires in planes. It also has enough penetration to kill pilots in head-on engagements, even those with armored glass. Since we are discussing aerial combat, I recommend using short bursts instead of holding down the mouse button. Click as if you were using a semi-automatic weapon. Only fire a longer burst when you are sure you won't miss and want to deal significant damage at once. This will save ammunition and can often cause enough damage to take down the target with just a few shots, especially due to the chance of causing a fire.
Although in tank mode machine guns cause little damage to player tanks, in aerial matches they can be very effective for ground attacks, especially if the player knows how to manage ammunition, choose targets, and attack them effectively. Here's how to attack them:
- Howitzer: Fire a short burst of 10 to 20 rounds directly at the cannon. If you hit it, it should be disabled. If you find it difficult to hit with a single burst, try firing 2 to 3 short bursts in succession. This may use up more ammunition, but it can be effective for neutralizing the target.
- Light Pillbox: Try hitting them with bursts of up to 40 shots, aiming directly at the window if you're approaching from the front, or at the door if you're coming from behind. Light pillboxes can endure quite a bit of damage, but targeting these spots often leads to faster destruction, requiring less firepower.
- Pillbox: If you don't have bombs, I suggest avoiding trying to destroy them.
- Patrol Boat: Try to fire a burst of about 50 shots at the bridges, if there are many of these vessels together consider dropping a 1000 pound bomb.
- BTR-152: Fire short bursts of 10 to 20 shots directly at the engine. This can cause fires, and the bots in air mode never extinguish fires.
- PT-76-57: Try hitting them with a short burst directly on the side, perpendicular to the tank, just below the turret, from a distance of max 800 m . With tracer ammunition, you can penetrate the armor, killing the gunner and commander and disabling the vehicle.
- Studebaker Truks: You have the option to shoot at the front of the vehicle, destroying the engine and causing fires from practically any distance you feel confident. Alternatively, you can try to kill the driver and the passenger, which will disable the vehicle.
- T-44-100: I suggest avoiding attempting to destroy this vehicle. It has more armor than the others mentioned, and even if you manage to set the engine on fire, you'll likely need to significantly reduce the plane's speed to make high-angled attacks to penetrate the armor above the motor. It simply isn't worth becoming such a vulnerable target.
On the other hand, bot planes don't have much mystery, but I recommend always trying to use short bursts to shoot them down.
Secondary armamen
In aerial matches, I recommend customizing your payload with 1000-pound bombs and HVARs mounted at the wingtips (located at hardpoints 1 and 8 as per the wiki). Once the match begins, consider ejecting the HVARs from the wings. While they are mainly there to remove the external fuel tank from the wings, the 24 HVAR pack significantly increases the plane's drag, affecting performance more than the 1000-pound bombs themselves. This could make it challenging for you to maneuver effectively in combat. Therefore, during aerial engagements, it's advisable to eject these rockets. I recommend sticking with the 1000-pound bombs as they can help you earn extra points in matches without significantly affecting the plane's performance. Since you start the match flying at a considerable speed and altitude, the addition of these bombs should not pose a significant hindrance.
Operational procedure on some aerial realistic maps
Pros and cons
Pros:
- Beginner-friendly centre-mounted machine guns with great trajectory, bullet velocity, and ammo count, unlike a MiG-15
- Has various bombs and rockets for ground attack
- Fast dive acceleration and speed
- Has a gyro gunsight
Cons:
- Poor turning ability and roll rate comparing to something like F-86
- Bleeds speed severely when manoeuvring
- Machine guns lack damage, requiring prolonged hits on target
- Mediocre acceleration
- Long takeoff distance
History
See also: F-84G-21-RE in ROCAF service
The delivery of this F-84G-31-RE was the No. 070 of the Thunder Tiger Aerobatics Team (雷虎特技小組) with a registration number of F-84070/52-8392, due to the lack of further records of this batches of F-84G from both USAF and ROCAF, the fate of this jet is unknown; but likely been decommissioned and scrapped by the last user of this jet.[1]
Media
- Skins
See also
- Related development
External links
References
- ↑ https://rexkuang326.pixnet.net/blog/post/349307047 The only known image of 070's existence
| Republic Aviation Corporation | |
|---|---|
| Fighters | P-43A-1 |
| P-47D-22-RE · P-47D-25 · P-47D-28 · P-47M-1-RE · ⋠P-47M-1-RE · P-47N-15 | |
| Jet Aircraft | F-84B-26 · F-84F · F-84G-21-RE |
| F-105D | |
| Export | J9 Early* |
| ␗P-43A-1 | |
| ▄Thunderbolt Mk.1 · ▄P-47D-22-RE · ␗P-47D-23-RA · ▂P-47D-27 · ␗P-47D-30 · ▄P-47D-30 | |
| ◄F-84F · ▄F-84F (Italy) · ▄F-84F (France) · F-84F IAF · F-84F | |
| ␗F-84G-21-RE · ▄F-84G-21-RE · ▄F-84G-26-RE · ␗F-84G-31-RE | |
| Captured | ▀P-47D-16-RE · ▀P-47D |
| *The company was named "Seversky Aircraft Company" before being renamed in 1939 | |
| China jet aircraft | |
|---|---|
| Fighters | J-2 · J-4 · Shenyang F-5 · J-6A · J-7II · J-7D · J-7E · J-8B · J-8F · J-11 |
| Strike aircraft | Q-5 early · Q-5A · Q-5L · A-5C · JH-7A |
| Bombers | H-5 |
| American | ␗F-84G-21-RE · ␗F-84G-31-RE · ␗F-86F-30 · ␗F-86F-40 · ␗F-100A · ␗F-100F · ␗F-104A · ␗F-104G · ␗F-5A · ␗F-5E · ␗F-16A MLU |
| Soviet | ␗MiG-9 · ␗MiG-9 (l) |
| China premium aircraft | |
|---|---|
| Fighters | ␗A6M2 · D.510C · H-81A-2 · Hawk III · ␗Ki-45 hei/tei · ␗Ki-84 ko · ␗P-51C-11-NT |
| Jet fighters | Shenyang F-5 · J-7D |
| Strike aircraft | A-5C · ␗F-84G-31-RE |
