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== Usage in the battles == | == Usage in the battles == | ||
− | <!--''Describe the tactics of playing in an aircraft, the features of using vehicles in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''-->The Fw-190 F-8 possesses far below average speed, acceleration and climb ability for | + | <!--''Describe the tactics of playing in an aircraft, the features of using vehicles in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''-->The Fw-190 F-8 possesses far below average speed, acceleration and climb ability for its tier. If you spot a bandit at the same altitude, a recommended tactic is to head-on attack, followed by an evasive manoeuvre and then extending away to repeat the processes. If a bandit has superior energy/altitude and is trying to attack you, try to drag them to friendlies, but don't sacrifice too much altitude to do so. If you are skilled enough, another tactic would be to initiate scissors; either rolling or flat, and then break away when he goes to yo-yo to control his overshoot. The scissors is a highly effective manoeuvre in the 190s. Many good pilots have dismembered many superior aircraft simply because of the roll rate and firepower this plane possesses. If you are clever enough to press for a gun solution when scissoring an enemy, you could be greatly rewarded. |
− | In combined forces battles, the Fw-190 F-8 can carry a wider range of ordinance than most other German fighters, allowing for ground-attack using rockets, | + | In summary for the unintended fighter-role, climb to the side or continue climbing when starting mid-air, BnZ like a champion, never get in a sustained turn fight, and use the rate of roll to free yourself when cornered. The F-8 is most likely to be successful in realistic battles when used as a ground-attacker or bomber hunter. B-17s and Halifaxes are unlikely to fly at higher altitudes than the F-8 can perform at, which allows for the F-8s armament (especially with the 30mm gun pods) and decent durability to be useful while not being held back by its relatively poor dogfighting capability. It is best to make quick, diving attack passes targeting the wings and engines before extending out to avoid return fire from the bomber's defensive guns. Do not turn back until you are at least 1 km away from the bomber to avoid being an easy target. Until the frontal gun pods are unlocked, 2-3 passes may be required to fully destroy a bomber. Frontal attacks can also be effective, with the engines and cockpit both viable targets, but with the trade-off being less time to shoot at the target (this goes both ways, you won't be in the range of defensive guns for very long either). |
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+ | In combined forces battles, the Fw-190 F-8 can carry a wider range of ordinance than most other German fighters, allowing for ground-attack using rockets, gun pods, or bombs. The 1000 kg bomb is unique to F-8 among German fighters; while the Do-335 (A-1 & B-2 variants) and Me-410 (A1 & B1 variants) can carry 1,000 kg of bombs, they can only carry 250 kg and 500 kg bombs. The F-8 combines the ability to carry heavy ordinance while still retaining decent fighting capability after dropping said ordinance. | ||
===Manual Engine Control=== | ===Manual Engine Control=== | ||
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===Modules=== | ===Modules=== | ||
− | + | The attacker "Würger" has such awful responsiveness from the elevator, that anything which improves turn rate should have the highest priority. Otherwise, it will kiss the ground more a lot more than cows do! Don't forget, it needs to dive-bomb to hit anything. And grinding the bombs cannot be forgotten!! This is an attacker, so it needs the payload unlocks, but without performance upgrades, it is just pain to fly. A detour to the new belts could be considered, but two 20 mm cannons are enough to handle any ground units even with stock ammunition, especially as the other performance upgrades are necessary as well due the F-8's great weight. | |
{| class="wikitable" | {| class="wikitable" | ||
! colspan="1" | Tier | ! colspan="1" | Tier | ||
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| Radiator | | Radiator | ||
| | | | ||
− | |Offensive 13 mm | + | | Offensive 13 mm |
− | |ETC 501 I | + | | ETC 501 I |
| | | | ||
|- | |- | ||
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| Compressor | | Compressor | ||
| Airframe | | Airframe | ||
− | |New 13 mm MGs | + | | New 13 mm MGs |
− | |ETC 501 + ER 4 I | + | | ETC 501 + ER 4 I |
− | |R4/M HL modification | + | | R4/M HL modification |
|- | |- | ||
| III | | III | ||
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| Engine | | Engine | ||
| | | | ||
− | |Offensive 20 mm | + | | Offensive 20 mm |
− | |ETC 501 II | + | | ETC 501 II |
− | |ETC 502 + ER 4 II | + | | ETC 502 + ER 4 II |
|- | |- | ||
| IV | | IV | ||
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| Engine Injection | | Engine Injection | ||
| Cover | | Cover | ||
− | |New 20 mm cannons | + | | New 20 mm cannons |
− | |R3 Modification | + | | R3 Modification |
− | |Offensive 30 mm | + | | Offensive 30 mm |
|- | |- | ||
|} | |} | ||
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* Great roll rate | * Great roll rate | ||
* Great energy retention | * Great energy retention | ||
− | * Climb rate is consistent until | + | * Climb rate is consistent until 6,000 m altitude |
* Can WEP pretty much nonstop | * Can WEP pretty much nonstop | ||
− | * The | + | * The 30 mm gun pods (with the glorious minengeschoss shells), steady rate of climb, air spawn, and decent durability combine to make for a potent bomber hunter in realistic battles |
− | * | + | * The only Fw 190 besides Dora series and the A5/U2 that can carry bombs |
− | * Ability to carry up to | + | * Ability to carry up to 1,200 kgs of payload |
− | * Comes stock with 250 kg and 50 kg bomb options, with 500 kg and | + | * Comes stock with 250 kg and 50 kg bomb options, with 500 kg and 1,000 kg available as researchable modifications |
* Plenty of ammo | * Plenty of ammo | ||
− | * Access to | + | * Access to 30 mm Mk 103 gun pods, Pb2 HEAT rockets, and 1,000 kg bomb, which aren't available on any other German single-engine fighter |
− | * Carrying the | + | * Carrying the 30 mm cannon pods do not have a significant reduction on flight performance when compared to the bombs |
* Well armoured from the front | * Well armoured from the front | ||
* Excellent tank busting capability | * Excellent tank busting capability | ||
* Can potentially win a game single-handedly if left unchecked | * Can potentially win a game single-handedly if left unchecked | ||
− | * | + | * 30 mm HVAP rounds can deal with any surface target except pillboxes |
'''Cons:''' | '''Cons:''' | ||
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* Poor turn rate that many Medium Bombers can beat | * Poor turn rate that many Medium Bombers can beat | ||
* Elevator has low responsibility & effect on low-medium speeds | * Elevator has low responsibility & effect on low-medium speeds | ||
− | * 30mm cannons are mounted on the wings therefore is | + | * 30mm cannons are mounted on the wings, therefore, is inaccurate |
* Firing the 30mm cannons creates recoil within the plane | * Firing the 30mm cannons creates recoil within the plane | ||
* Maneuverability at low speeds is bad | * Maneuverability at low speeds is bad | ||
* Generally outclassed by other 190 models when it comes to air to air combat | * Generally outclassed by other 190 models when it comes to air to air combat | ||
− | * Bad climb rate for | + | * Bad climb rate for an Fw 190 especially with payloads |
− | * WEP doesn't boost performance | + | * WEP doesn't significantly boost performance |
== History == | == History == |
Revision as of 22:45, 22 April 2019
Contents
This page is about the German fighter Fw 190 F-8. For other uses, see Fw 190 (Family). |
Description
The Fw 190 F-8 is a Rank IV German fighter
with a battle rating of 5.3 (AB), 5.0 (RB), and 4.3 (SB). This fighter has been in the game since the start of the Open Beta Test prior to Update 1.29.
The 190 who thought it's a Stuka. The F-8 version is a peculiar one, designed to replace the the aging Ju 87 series, it could never fully replace it this late into the war (1944). As an attacker this Focke Wulf gains mid-air start on most maps which can either be used to get to ground targets quickly, or get the jump on climbing fighters. Keep in mind though that the very heavy F-8 is not designed for dogfights and will suffer in any fighter engagement. The F-8 is perhaps one of the most versatile Fw-190s in the game, though it tends to be outperformed in most categories by more specialized planes.
General info
Flight Performance
Characteristics | |||||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Stock | |||||||
Max Speed (km/h at 5,400 m) |
Max altitude (meters) |
Turn time (seconds) |
Rate of climb (meters/second) |
Take-off run (meters) | |||
AB | RB | AB | RB | AB | RB | ||
603 | 583 | 11100 | 24.8 | 25.3 | 9.3 | 11.6 | 453 |
Upgraded | |||||||
Max Speed (km/h at 5,400 m) |
Max altitude (meters) | Turn time (seconds) | Rate of climb (meters/second) |
Take-off run (meters) | |||
AB | RB | AB | RB | AB | RB | ||
? | ? | 11100 | ??.? | ??.? | ??.? | ??.? | 453 |
Details
Features | ||||
---|---|---|---|---|
Combat flap | Take-off flap | Landing flap | Air brakes | Arrestor gear |
X | ✓ | ✓ | X | X |
Limits | ||||
---|---|---|---|---|
Wing-break speed (km/h) |
Gear limit (km/h) |
Combat flap (km/h) |
Max Static G | |
+ | - | |||
912 | 310 | N/A | ~19 | ~19 |
Optimal velocities | |||
---|---|---|---|
Ailerons (km/h) |
Rudder (km/h) |
Elevators (km/h) |
Radiator (km/h) |
< 420 | < 510 | < 510 | > 280 |
Compressor (RB/SB) | ||
---|---|---|
Setting 1 | ||
Optimal altitude | 100% Engine power | WEP Engine power |
1,500 m | 1,602 hp | 1,954 hp |
Setting 2 | ||
Optimal altitude | 100% Engine power | WEP Engine power |
5,900 m | 1,478 hp | 1,804 hp |
Survivability and armour
- 6 mm Steel - Fore cowl ring
- 10 mm Steel - Cowl ring
- 6 mm Steel - Under engine armour
- 8 mm Steel - Under cockpit/fuel tank armour plate
- 5 mm Steel - Rear fuel tank armour
- 8 mm Steel - Pilot's chair armour
- 6 mm Steel - Pilot's chair armour
- 12 mm Steel - Headrest armour
- 57 mm Bulletproof glass - armoured windscreen
Armaments
Offensive armament
The Fw 190 F-8 is armed with the following:
- 4 x 20 mm MG 151/20 cannon, wing-mounted (250 rpg = 500 total)
- 2 x 13 mm MG 131 machine gun, nose-mounted (400 rpg = 800 total)
Suspended armament
Payload options for the Fw 190 F-8 include:
- Without load
- 4 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs
- 8 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs
- 1 x 250 kg SC250JA bomb
- 4 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs + 1 x 250 kg SC250JA bomb
- 1 x 500 kg SC500K bomb
- 4 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs + 1 x 500 kg SC500K bomb
- 1 x 1000 kg SC1000L2 bomb
- 4 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs + 1 x 1000 kg SC1000L2 bomb
- 2 x 30 mm MK 103 cannon, wing-mounted (35 rpg = 70 total)
- 14 x Pb2 rockets
Usage in the battles
The Fw-190 F-8 possesses far below average speed, acceleration and climb ability for its tier. If you spot a bandit at the same altitude, a recommended tactic is to head-on attack, followed by an evasive manoeuvre and then extending away to repeat the processes. If a bandit has superior energy/altitude and is trying to attack you, try to drag them to friendlies, but don't sacrifice too much altitude to do so. If you are skilled enough, another tactic would be to initiate scissors; either rolling or flat, and then break away when he goes to yo-yo to control his overshoot. The scissors is a highly effective manoeuvre in the 190s. Many good pilots have dismembered many superior aircraft simply because of the roll rate and firepower this plane possesses. If you are clever enough to press for a gun solution when scissoring an enemy, you could be greatly rewarded.
In summary for the unintended fighter-role, climb to the side or continue climbing when starting mid-air, BnZ like a champion, never get in a sustained turn fight, and use the rate of roll to free yourself when cornered. The F-8 is most likely to be successful in realistic battles when used as a ground-attacker or bomber hunter. B-17s and Halifaxes are unlikely to fly at higher altitudes than the F-8 can perform at, which allows for the F-8s armament (especially with the 30mm gun pods) and decent durability to be useful while not being held back by its relatively poor dogfighting capability. It is best to make quick, diving attack passes targeting the wings and engines before extending out to avoid return fire from the bomber's defensive guns. Do not turn back until you are at least 1 km away from the bomber to avoid being an easy target. Until the frontal gun pods are unlocked, 2-3 passes may be required to fully destroy a bomber. Frontal attacks can also be effective, with the engines and cockpit both viable targets, but with the trade-off being less time to shoot at the target (this goes both ways, you won't be in the range of defensive guns for very long either).
In combined forces battles, the Fw-190 F-8 can carry a wider range of ordinance than most other German fighters, allowing for ground-attack using rockets, gun pods, or bombs. The 1000 kg bomb is unique to F-8 among German fighters; while the Do-335 (A-1 & B-2 variants) and Me-410 (A1 & B1 variants) can carry 1,000 kg of bombs, they can only carry 250 kg and 500 kg bombs. The F-8 combines the ability to carry heavy ordinance while still retaining decent fighting capability after dropping said ordinance.
Manual Engine Control
MEC elements | ||||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Mixer | Pitch | Radiator | Supercharger | Turbocharger | ||
Oil | Water | Type | ||||
Not controllable | Controllable | Not controllable | Controllable | Combined | Not controllable | Controllable |
Modules
The attacker "Würger" has such awful responsiveness from the elevator, that anything which improves turn rate should have the highest priority. Otherwise, it will kiss the ground more a lot more than cows do! Don't forget, it needs to dive-bomb to hit anything. And grinding the bombs cannot be forgotten!! This is an attacker, so it needs the payload unlocks, but without performance upgrades, it is just pain to fly. A detour to the new belts could be considered, but two 20 mm cannons are enough to handle any ground units even with stock ammunition, especially as the other performance upgrades are necessary as well due the F-8's great weight.
Tier | Flight performance | Survivability | Weaponry | |||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
I | Fuselage Repair | Radiator | Offensive 13 mm | ETC 501 I | ||
II | Compressor | Airframe | New 13 mm MGs | ETC 501 + ER 4 I | R4/M HL modification | |
III | Wings Repair | Engine | Offensive 20 mm | ETC 501 II | ETC 502 + ER 4 II | |
IV | Engine Injection | Cover | New 20 mm cannons | R3 Modification | Offensive 30 mm |
Pros and cons
Pros:
- Great roll rate
- Great energy retention
- Climb rate is consistent until 6,000 m altitude
- Can WEP pretty much nonstop
- The 30 mm gun pods (with the glorious minengeschoss shells), steady rate of climb, air spawn, and decent durability combine to make for a potent bomber hunter in realistic battles
- The only Fw 190 besides Dora series and the A5/U2 that can carry bombs
- Ability to carry up to 1,200 kgs of payload
- Comes stock with 250 kg and 50 kg bomb options, with 500 kg and 1,000 kg available as researchable modifications
- Plenty of ammo
- Access to 30 mm Mk 103 gun pods, Pb2 HEAT rockets, and 1,000 kg bomb, which aren't available on any other German single-engine fighter
- Carrying the 30 mm cannon pods do not have a significant reduction on flight performance when compared to the bombs
- Well armoured from the front
- Excellent tank busting capability
- Can potentially win a game single-handedly if left unchecked
- 30 mm HVAP rounds can deal with any surface target except pillboxes
Cons:
- Poor turn rate that many Medium Bombers can beat
- Elevator has low responsibility & effect on low-medium speeds
- 30mm cannons are mounted on the wings, therefore, is inaccurate
- Firing the 30mm cannons creates recoil within the plane
- Maneuverability at low speeds is bad
- Generally outclassed by other 190 models when it comes to air to air combat
- Bad climb rate for an Fw 190 especially with payloads
- WEP doesn't significantly boost performance
History
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template. Be sure to include links to sources at the end of the article.
Media
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Read also
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- reference to the series of the aircraft;
- links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.
Sources
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- topic on the official game forum;
- page on aircraft encyclopedia;
- other literature.
Germany fighters | |
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Heinkel | |
He 51 | He 51 A-1 · He 51 B-1 · He 51 B-2/H · He 51 C-1 · He 51 C-1/L |
He 100 | He 100 D-1 |
He 112 | He 112 A-0 · He 112 B-0 · He 112 B-1/U2 · He 112 B-2/U2 · He 112 V-5 |
Messerschmitt | |
Bf 109 (Jumo) | Flegel's Bf 109 A · Bf 109 B-1 · Bf 109 C-1 · Bf 109 C-1 |
Bf 109 (DB-601) | Bf 109 E-1 · Bf 109 E-3 · Bf 109 E-4 · Bf 109 E-7/U2 · Bf 109 F-1 · Bf 109 F-2 · Bf 109 F-4 · Bf 109 F-4/trop |
Bf 109 (DB-605) | Bf 109 G-2/trop · Bf 109 G-2 · Bf 109 G-6 · Bf 109 G-10 · Bf 109 G-14 · Bf 109 K-4 |
Focke-Wulf | |
Fw 190 (early) | Fw 190 A-1 · Fw 190 A-4 · Fw 190 A-5 · Fw 190 A-5 · Fw 190 A-5/U2 · Fw 190 A-5/U14 · Fw 190 A-8 · Fw 190 C |
Fw 190 (late) | Fw 190 D-9 · Fw 190 D-12 · Fw 190 D-13 |
Ta 152 | Ta 152 C-3 · Ta 152 H-1 |
Blohm & Voss | |
BV 155 | BV 155 B-1 |
Captured: | |
USA | ▀P-47D-16-RE · ▀P-47D |
USSR | ▀La-5FN · ▀Yak-1B |
Britain | ▀Tempest Mk V |
Italy | |
CR.42 | ▀CR.42 · ▀Marcolin's C.R.42 CN |
G.50 | ▀G.50 serie 2 · ▀G.50 AS serie 7 |
C.200 | ▀C. 200 serie 3 · ▀C. 200 serie 7 |
C.202 | ▀C. 202 |
Finland | ▀Hawk H-75A-2 |