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{{Specs-Card|code=fw-190f-8}}
 
{{About
 
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| about = German strike aircraft '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
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| about = German fighter '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
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| usage = other versions
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| usage = other uses
 
| link = Fw 190 (Family)
 
| link = Fw 190 (Family)
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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
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The '''Focke-Wulf {{PAGENAME}}''', nicknamed "Würger" (Shrike), was the main serial production of the F-series [[Fw 190 (Family)|Fw 190]] fighter. The F-series were designed as multirole ground attack fighter-bomber aircraft meant to replace the obsolete [[Ju 87 (Family)|Ju 87]] dive bomber. The F-8 variant was based on the [[Fw 190 A-8]], featuring a reinforced airframe to allow it to carry its payload of up to a 1,000 kg bomb. To compensate for the worsened flight performance, the F-8 featured a slightly modified compressor injector which improved the engine's performance at low altitudes. Despite 6,143 F-8 models being produced, it could never fully replace the Stukas this late into the war (1944), and as such often ended up being used as a low altitude fighter-interceptor instead of its ground attacking role.
 
  
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Being in the game since the start of the Open Beta Test prior to Update 1.27. The {{PAGENAME}} is a Fw 190 who thought it was a Stuka. The F-8 version is a peculiar one, being classed as a strike aircraft due to its relatively heavy suspended armaments. As an attacker, this Focke-Wulf gains mid-air start on most maps which can either be used to get to ground targets quickly or get the jump on climbing fighters. While generally more sluggish than the A-8 variant, the F-8 features a 30 mm gun pods that allows it to dismantle the enemy planes in a few hits. The F-8 is perhaps one of the most versatile Fw 190s in the game, though it tends to be outperformed in most categories by more specialised planes.
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a Rank {{Specs|rank}} German fighter {{Battle-rating}}. This fighter has been in the game since the start of the Open Beta Test prior to Update 1.29.
  
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The 190 who thought it's a Stuka. The F-8 version is a peculiar one, designed to replace the the aging Ju 87 series, it could never fully replace it this late into the war (1944). As an attacker this Focke Wulf gains mid-air start on most maps which can either be used to get to ground targets quickly, or get the jump on climbing fighters. Keep in mind though that the very heavy F-8 is not designed for dogfights and will suffer in any fighter engagement. The F-8 is perhaps one of the most versatile Fw-190s in the game, though it tends to be outperformed in most categories by more specialized planes.
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
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=== Flight performance ===
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=== Flight Performance ===
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{{Specs-Avia-Flight}}
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Being essentially a modified [[Fw 190 A-8]] for ground attacking role, the {{PAGENAME}}'s general flight performance is generally similar to the A-8, though being noticeably more sluggish to handle, especially while stock. The F-8 retains the typical handling of the Fw 190 series; good roll rate and high-speed handling, but mediocre climb rate and atrocious turn rate. Which means it can perform reasonably well as a boom-and-zoom fighter, though not as well as dedicated fighter variant. The F-8's heavier airframe resulting into the plane often struggle in a prolonged dogfights, as it will haemorrhage its energy much faster than other dedicated fighters.
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! colspan="8" | Characteristics
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A caveat worth noting is that, while the F-8 can perform as a boom-and-zoom fighter, it suffers from rudder lock-ups at higher speed (~650 km/h), which may results in a fatal failed-pull ups if the pilot are not careful. On the plus side, while the F-8 does not have dedicated combat flaps, the take-off flaps can be used in place of it to improve its manoeuvrability due to its unusually high rip speed (~700 km/h).
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! colspan="8" | ''Stock''
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As it was classified as a strike aircraft, the F-8 greatly benefits from its access to an air spawn, as it gains a head start speed to help it climb up to medium altitudes (~3,000 - 4,000 m) at the start of the match. This allows the F-8 to gain an altitude advantage against most fighters, and even capable of intercepting bombers.
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="70%"
 
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! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
 
 
! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 5,400 m)
 
! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 5,400 m)
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! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(metres)
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! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(meters)
 
! colspan="2" | Turn time<br>(seconds)
 
! colspan="2" | Turn time<br>(seconds)
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! colspan="2" | Rate of climb<br>(metres/second)
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! colspan="2" | Rate of climb<br>(meters/second)
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! rowspan="2" | Take-off run<br>(metres)
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! rowspan="2" |Take-off run<br>(meters)
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! AB
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! RB
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! AB
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! RB
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! AB
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! RB
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|603||583|| {{Specs|ceiling}} ||24.8||25.3||9.3||11.6||453
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! colspan="8" | ''Upgraded''
 
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! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
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! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 5,400 m)
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! rowspan="2" |Max altitude (meters)
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! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
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! colspan="2" | Rate of climb<br>(meters/second)
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! rowspan="2" |Take-off run (meters)
 
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! Stock
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! AB
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| 605 || 585 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 24.5 || 25.5 || 11.7 || 11.7 || rowspan="2" | 453
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! RB
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! AB
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! RB
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! AB
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! RB
 
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! Upgraded
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| ? || ? || {{Specs|ceiling}} || ??.? || ??.? || ??.? || ??.? ||453
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| 670 || 635 || 21.9 || 23.2 || 21.7 || 15.8
 
 
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|}
  
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==== Details ====
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====Details====
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|-
 
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! colspan="5" | Features
 
! colspan="5" | Features
 
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! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear
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! Combat flap
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! Take-off flap
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! Landing flap
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! Air brakes
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! Arrestor gear
 
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| X || ✓ || ✓ || X || X    <!-- ✓ -->
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! colspan="7" | Limits
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! colspan="5" | Limits
 
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! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
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! rowspan="2" | Wing-break speed<br>(km/h)
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! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
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! rowspan="2" | Gear limit<br>(km/h)
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! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
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! rowspan="2" | Combat flap<br> (km/h)
 
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
 
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
 
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! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
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! -
 
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| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || N/A || 700 || 310 || ~13 || ~6
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| {{Specs|разрушение|конструкции}} || {{Specs|разрушение|шасси}} ||N/A|| ~19 || ~19
 
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
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! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
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! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities
 
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! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
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! Ailerons<br>(km/h)
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! Rudder<br>(km/h)
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! Elevators<br>(km/h)
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! Radiator<br>(km/h)
 
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| < 420 || < 510 || < 510 || > 280
 
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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|-
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! colspan="3" | Compressor (RB/SB)
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! colspan="3" | Setting 1
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! Optimal altitude
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! 100% Engine power
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! WEP Engine power
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| 1,500 m || 1,602 hp || 1,954 hp
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! Optimal altitude
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! 100% Engine power
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! WEP Engine power
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| 5,900 m || 1,478 hp || 1,804 hp
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! Optimal altitude
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! 100% Engine power
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! WEP Engine power
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| ?,??? m || ?,??? hp || ?,??? hp
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|}
 
|}
  
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
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* 6 mm Steel - Fore cowl ring
 
* 6 mm Steel - Fore cowl ring
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* 12 mm Steel - Headrest armour
 
* 12 mm Steel - Headrest armour
 
* 57 mm Bulletproof glass - armoured windscreen
 
* 57 mm Bulletproof glass - armoured windscreen
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=== Modifications and economy ===
 
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{{Specs-Economy}}
 
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The attacker "Würger" has such awful responsiveness from the elevator that anything which improves turn rate should have the highest priority. Otherwise, it will kiss the ground more than cows do! Don't forget, it needs to dive-bomb to hit anything. And grinding the bombs cannot be forgotten!! This is an attacker, so it needs the payload unlocks, but without performance upgrades, it is just a pain to fly. A detour to the new belts could be considered, but two 20 mm cannons are enough to handle any ground units even with stock ammunition, especially as the other performance upgrades are necessary as well due the F-8's great weight.
 
  
 
== Armaments ==
 
== Armaments ==
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{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
 
 
=== Offensive armament ===
 
=== Offensive armament ===
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{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}
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<!--Describe the offensive armament of the aircraft, if any. Describe how effective the cannons and machine guns are in a battle, and also what belts or drums are better to use. If there is no offensive weaponry, delete this subsection.-->
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{{main|MG 151/20 (20 mm)|MG 131 (13 mm)}}
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{{main|MG 151 (20 mm)|MG 131 (13 mm)}}
 
  
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The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:
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The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with the following:
  
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* 2 x 20 mm MG 151 cannons, wing-mounted (250 rpg = 500 total)
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* 4 x 20 mm MG 151/20 cannon, wing-mounted (250 rpg = 500 total)
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* 2 x 13 mm MG 131 machine guns, nose-mounted (400 rpg = 800 total)
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* 2 x 13 mm MG 131 machine gun, nose-mounted (400 rpg = 800 total)
  
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As with any 20 mm-armed German planes, the Würger starts out with an underwhelming default belt that were less than ideal to use against enemy aircraft. Though due to its role as a strike aircraft, you can still uses the 20 mm autocannons against soft ground targets (MG nest, artillery, light pillbox, etc.) with reasonable efficiency. Then after you have unlocked the belt options with Minengeschoß rounds, the Würger can then finally be used as a fighter-interceptor like how it was in real life.
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=== Suspended armament ===
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<!--Describe the aircraft's suspended armament: additional cannons under the wings, bombs, rockets and torpedoes. This section is especially important for bombers and attackers. If there is no suspended weaponry remove this subsection.-->
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{{main|SC50JA (50 kg)|SC250JA (250 kg)|SC500K (500 kg)|SC1000L2 (1,000 kg)|Pb2}}
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{{main|MK 103 (30 mm)}}
  
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The 13 mm IAI belts are extremely potent against bomber and fighter aircraft alike; featuring a mere 1 g of explosive mass. The belts have a strong chance to simply rupture the airframe or disable many flammable modules at the same time.
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Payload options for the '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' include:
  
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In addition, the Würger also has an option to equip two 30 mm gun pods with 70 rounds in total. The 30 mm rounds are extremely powerful against any air targets, though it often requires trigger discipline due to the low ammo count of 70 rounds.
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* Without load
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=== Suspended armament ===
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* 4 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs
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{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}
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* 8 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs
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<!-- ''Describe the aircraft's suspended armament: additional cannons under the wings, bombs, rockets and torpedoes. This section is especially important for bombers and attackers. If there is no suspended weaponry remove this subsection.'' -->
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* 1 x 250 kg SC250JA bomb
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* 4 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs + 1 x 250 kg SC250JA bomb
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* 1 x 500 kg SC500K bomb
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* 4 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs + 1 x 500 kg SC500K bomb
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* 1 x 1000 kg SC1000L2 bomb
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* 4 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs + 1 x 1000 kg SC1000L2 bomb
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* 2 x 30 mm MK 103 cannon, wing-mounted (35 rpg = 70 total)
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* 14 x Pb2 rockets
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== Usage in the battles ==
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<!--''Describe the tactics of playing in an aircraft, the features of using vehicles in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''-->The Fw-190 F-8 possesses far below average speed, acceleration and climb ability for it's tier. If you spot a bandit at the same altitude, a recommended tactic is to head-on attack, followed by an evasive maneuver and then extending away to repeat the processes. If a bandit has superior energy/altitude and is trying to attack you, try to drag them to friendlies, but don't sacrifice too much altitude to do so. If you are skilled enough, another tactic would be to initiate a scissors; either rolling or flat, and then break away when he goes to yo-yo to control his overshoot. The scissors is a highly effective maneuver in the 190s. Many good pilots have dismembered many superior aircraft simply because of the roll rate and firepower this plane possesses. If you are ballsy enough to press for a gun solution when scissoring an enemy, you could be greatly rewarded. In summary for the unintended fighter-role, climb to the side or continue climbing when starting mid-air, BnZ like a champion, never get in a sustained turn fight, and use the rate of roll to free yourself when cornered. The F-8 is most likely to be successful in realistic battles when used as a ground-attacker or bomber hunter. B-17s and Halifaxes are unlikely to fly at higher altitudes than the F-8 can perform at, which allows for the F-8s armament (especially with the 30mm gunpods) and decent durability to to be useful while not being held back by its relatively poor dogfighting capability. It is best to make quick, diving attack passes targeting the wings and engines before extending out to avoid return fire from the bomber's defensive guns. Do not turn back until you are at least 1 km away from the bomber to avoid being an easy target. Until the frontal gunpods are unlocked, 2-3 passes may be required to fully destroy a bomber. Frontal attacks can also be effective, with the engines and cockpit both viable targets, but with the trade-off being less time to shoot at the target (this goes both ways, you won't be in range of defensive guns for very long either).
  
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The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
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In combined forces battles, the Fw-190 F-8 can carry a wider range of ordinance than most other German fighters, allowing for ground-attack using rockets, gunpods, or bombs.The 1000 kg bomb is unique to F-8 among German fighters; while the Do-335 (A-1 & B-2 variants) and Me-410 (A1 & B1 variants) can carry 1000 kg of bombs, they can only carry 250 kg and 500 kg bombs. The F-8 combines the ability to carry heavy ordinance while still retaining decent fighting capability after dropping said ordinance.
  
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===Manual Engine Control===
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
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|-
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! !! width="15%" | 1 !! width="15%" | 2 !! width="15%" | 3
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! colspan="7" | MEC elements
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| rowspan="12" width="30%" | <div class="ttx-image">[[File:Hardpoints_Fw_190_D-9.png]]</div>
 
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|-
 
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! [[MK 103 (30 mm)|30 mm MK 103]] cannons (35 rpg)
 
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| 1* || || 1*
 
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|-
 
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! [[SC50JA (50 kg)|50 kg SC50JA]] bombs
 
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| 2 || 4 || 2
 
 
|-
 
|-
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! [[SC250JA (250 kg)|250 kg SC250JA]] bombs
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! rowspan="2" |Mixer
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| || 1 ||
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! rowspan="2" |Pitch
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! colspan="3" |Radiator
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! rowspan="2" |Supercharger
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! rowspan="2" |Turbocharger
 
|-
 
|-
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! [[SC500K (500 kg)|500 kg SC500K]] bombs
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! Oil
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| || 1 ||
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! Water
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! Type
 
|-
 
|-
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! [[PC500 (500 kg)|500 kg PC500]] bombs
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| Not controllable || rowspan="2" | Controllable || rowspan="2" | Not controllable || rowspan="2" | Controllable || rowspan="2" |Combined|| rowspan="2" | Not controllable || rowspan="2" | Controllable
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| || 1 ||
 
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|-
 
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! [[SC1000L2 (1,000 kg)|1,000 kg SC1000L2]] bombs
 
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| || 1 ||
 
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|-
 
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! [[PC1000 (1,000 kg)|1,000 kg PC1000]] bombs
 
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| || 1 ||
 
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|-
 
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! [[Flam C 250 incendiary]] bombs
 
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| || 1 ||
 
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|-
 
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! [[Flam C 500 incendiary]] bombs
 
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| || 1 ||
 
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|-
 
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! [[Pb2]] rockets
 
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| 7 || || 7
 
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|-
 
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| colspan="4" | Maximum permissible loadout weight: 1,220 kg
 
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| colspan="5" | * Cannon pods must be equipped together
 
 
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{{Navigation-Start|Default weapon presets}}
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===Modules===
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{{Navigation-First-Simple-Line}}
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This attacker "Würger" has such awful responseness from the elevator, that anything which improves turnrate should have the highest priority. Otherwise it will kiss the ground more a lot more than cows do! Don't forget, it needs to dive-bomb to hit anything. And grinding the bombs cannot be forgotten!! This is an attacker, so it needs the payload unlocks, but without performance upgrades it is just pain to fly. A detour to the new belts could be considered, but two 20mm cannons are enough to handle any ground units even with stock ammo. Especially as the other performance upgrades are necessary as well due the F-8's great weight.
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{| class="wikitable"
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* Without load
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! colspan="1" | Tier
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* 14 x Pb2 rockets
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! colspan="2" | Flight performance
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* 4 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs (200 kg total)
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! colspan="1" | Survivability
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* 8 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs (400 kg total)
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! colspan="3" | Weaponry
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* 1 x 250 kg SC250JA bomb (250 kg total)
 
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* 1 x 500 kg SC500K bomb (500 kg total)
 
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* 1 x 500 kg PC500 bomb (500 kg total)
 
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* 1 x 1,000 kg SC1000L2 bomb (1,000 kg total)
 
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* 1 x 1,000 kg PC1000 bomb (1,000 kg total)
 
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* 1 x Flam C 250 incendiary bomb
 
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* 1 x Flam C 500 incendiary bomb
 
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* 2 x 30 mm MK 103 cannons (35 rpg = 70 total)
 
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{{Navigation-End}}
 
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== Usage in battles ==
 
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<!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
 
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The Fw 190 F-8 possesses below average speed, acceleration and climb ability for its rank. If you spot a bandit at the same altitude, a recommended tactic is to head-on attack, followed by an evasive manoeuvre and then extending away to repeat the processes. If a bandit has superior energy/altitude and is trying to attack you, try to drag them to friendlies, but don't sacrifice too much altitude to do so. If you are skilled enough, another tactic would be to initiate scissors; either rolling or flat, and then break away when he goes to yo-yo to control his overshoot. The scissors manoeuvre is a highly effective manoeuvre in the 190s. Many good pilots have dismembered many superior aircraft simply because of the roll rate and firepower this plane possesses. If you are clever enough to press for a gun solution when scissoring an enemy, you could be greatly rewarded.
 
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In summary for the unintended fighter-role, climb to the side or continue climbing when starting mid-air, Boom & Zoom like a champion, never get in a sustained turn fight, and use the rate of roll to free yourself when cornered. The F-8 is most likely to be successful in realistic battles when used as a ground-attacker or bomber hunter. [[B-17 (Family)|B-17s]] and [[Halifax B Mk IIIa|Halifaxes]] are unlikely to fly at higher altitudes than the F-8 can perform at, which allows for the F-8s armament (especially with the 30 mm gunpods) and decent durability to be useful while not being held back by its relatively poor dogfighting capability. It is best to make quick, diving attack passes targeting the wings and engines before extending out to avoid return fire from the bomber's defensive guns. Do not turn back until you are at least 1 km away from the bomber to avoid being an easy target. Until the frontal gunpods are unlocked, 2-3 passes may be required to fully destroy a bomber. Frontal attacks can also be effective especially with the engines and cockpit both viable targets, but with the trade-off being less time to shoot at the target (this goes both ways, you won't be in the range of defensive guns for very long either).
 
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In combined forces battles, the Fw 190 F-8 can carry a wider range of ordnance than most other German fighters, allowing for ground-attack using rockets, gun pods, bombs or equipping them together because of the ability to make custom load-outs. The 1,000 kg bomb is unique to F-8 among German fighters; while the [[Do 335 (Family)|Do 335 (A-1 & B-2 variants)]] and [[Me 410 (Family)|Me-410 (A1 & B1 variants)]] can carry 1,000 kg worth of bombs, they can only carry 250 kg and 500 kg bombs. The F-8 combines the ability to carry heavy ordnance while still retaining decent fighting capability after dropping said ordnance.
 
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=== Manual Engine Control ===
 
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! colspan="7" | MEC elements
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| I
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| Fuselage Repair
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| Radiator
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|
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|Offensive 13 mm
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|ETC 501 I
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! rowspan="2" | Mixer
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| II
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! rowspan="2" | Pitch
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|  
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! colspan="3" | Radiator
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| Compressor
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! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
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| Airframe
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! rowspan="2" | Turbocharger
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|New 13 mm MGs
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|ETC 501 + ER 4 I
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|R4/M HL modification
 
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! Oil !! Water !! Type
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| III
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| Wings Repair
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| Engine
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|
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|Offensive 20 mm
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|ETC 501 II
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|ETC 502 + ER 4 II
 
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| Not controllable || Controllable<br>Auto control available || Not controllable<br>Not auto controlled || Controllable<br>Not auto controlled || Combined || Not controllable<br>2 gears || Not controllable
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| IV
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|  
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| Engine Injection
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| Cover
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|New 20 mm cannons
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|R3 Modification
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* Retains most of the positive flight qualities of the Fw 190 series: Good roll rate and high speed handling
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* Heavy suspended weapon options, including up to 1,200 kg of bombs or 30 mm gun pods with an access to anti-tank rounds
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* Can WEP pretty much nonstop
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* Powerful main armaments with high ammo capacity, the 30 mm gun pods can further augmented the plane's firepower with minimal performance loss
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* The 30mm gunpods (with the glorious minengeschoss shells), steady rate of climb, airspawn, and decent durability combine to make for a potent bomber hunter in realistic battles
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* Only Fw-190 besides Dora series and the A5/U2 that can carry bombs
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* Ability to carry up to 1200 kgs of payload
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* Comes stock with 250 kg and 50 kg bomb options, with 500 kg and 1000 kg available as researchable modifications
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* Plenty of ammo
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* Access to 30mm Mk103 gunpods, Pb2 HEAT rockets, and 1000kg bomb, which aren't available on any other German single-engine fighter
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* Carrying the 30mm cannon pods do not have a significant reduction on flight performance when compared to the bombs
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* Well armoured from the front
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* Excellent tank busting capability
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* Heavier and more sluggish than other Fw 190 variants, resulting into worsened handling, often got beaten by dedicated fighters in a dogfight
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* Elevator has low responsibility & effect on low-medium speeds
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* As with other Fw 190 variants, the plane's climb rate is rather mediocre and the turn rate is terrible
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* 30mm cannons are mounted on the wings therefore is innacurate
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* Carrying heavy payload will significantly reduces the plane's flight performance
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* Rudder is unresponsive at higher speeds (~650 km/h), which may causes the plane to crash into the ground, especially while stock
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* Generally outclassed by other 190 models when it comes to air to air combat
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* Bad climb rate for a 190 especially with payloads
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* WEP doesn't boost performance significantly
  
 
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The Focke-Wulf Fw 190 Wuerger (Shrike) was a single-seat single-engine monoplane fighter used by the Luftwaffe in WWII. One of the best fighters of the time, it was widely used during the Second World War. A total of over 20,000 were produced, including some 6,000 fighter-bomber variants. The 190 remained in production from 1941 until the end of the war, going through multiple redesigns. The Fw 190 made a name for itself as a true Luftwaffe workhorse and was used in a wide variety of roles, including a high-altitude interceptor (especially the Fw 190D), escort fighter, fighter-bomber and night fighter.
 
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The Fw 190 F-8 was the most mass-produced variant of the Fw 190 F series, based on the Fw 190 A-8. By March 1944, Fw 190 F-8s were also produced by the Arado company in Warnemuende, and by April the NDW company in Wismar. The aircraft was powered by the BMW 801 D-2 engine with improved injector on the compressor, which provided emergency power for up to 10-15 minutes at 1,000 m of altitude. Otherwise, the plane's equipment was largely similar to the A-8, although the FuG 16 ZY radio was replaced with the FuG 16 ZS in April 1944. This allowed direct communication with ground troops on the battlefield. A distinctive characteristic of the F-8 was a widened rear canopy. The new canopy was introduced in the latter half of 1944. It improved forward and downward visibility, which was very important for ground attack. On-board armament consisted of twin MG 131 machine guns in the fuselage and two MG 151/20E cannon in the wings.
 
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Fw 190 F-8
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Fw 190 F-8
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This page is about the German fighter Fw 190 F-8. For other uses, see Fw 190 (Family).

Description

GarageImage Fw 190 F-8.jpg


The Fw 190 F-8 is a Rank IV German fighter with a battle rating of 5.3 (AB), 5.0 (RB), and 4.3 (SB). This fighter has been in the game since the start of the Open Beta Test prior to Update 1.29.

The 190 who thought it's a Stuka. The F-8 version is a peculiar one, designed to replace the the aging Ju 87 series, it could never fully replace it this late into the war (1944). As an attacker this Focke Wulf gains mid-air start on most maps which can either be used to get to ground targets quickly, or get the jump on climbing fighters. Keep in mind though that the very heavy F-8 is not designed for dogfights and will suffer in any fighter engagement. The F-8 is perhaps one of the most versatile Fw-190s in the game, though it tends to be outperformed in most categories by more specialized planes.

General info

Flight Performance

Characteristics
Stock
Max Speed
(km/h at 5,400 m) 		Max altitude
(meters) 		Turn time
(seconds) 		Rate of climb
(meters/second) 		Take-off run
(meters)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
603 583 11100 24.8 25.3 9.3 11.6 453
Upgraded
Max Speed
(km/h at 5,400 m) 		Max altitude (meters) Turn time (seconds) Rate of climb
(meters/second) 		Take-off run (meters)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
 ?  ? 11100  ??.?  ??.?  ??.?  ??.? 453

Details

Features
Combat flap Take-off flap Landing flap Air brakes Arrestor gear
X ✓ ✓ X X
Limits
Wing-break speed
(km/h) 		Gear limit
(km/h) 		Combat flap
(km/h) 		Max Static G
+ -
912 310 N/A ~19 ~19
Optimal velocities
Ailerons
(km/h) 		Rudder
(km/h) 		Elevators
(km/h) 		Radiator
(km/h)
< 420 < 510 < 510 > 280
Compressor (RB/SB)
Setting 1
Optimal altitude 100% Engine power WEP Engine power
1,500 m 1,602 hp 1,954 hp
Setting 2
Optimal altitude 100% Engine power WEP Engine power
5,900 m 1,478 hp 1,804 hp

Survivability and armour

  • 6 mm Steel - Fore cowl ring
  • 10 mm Steel - Cowl ring
  • 6 mm Steel - Under engine armour
  • 8 mm Steel - Under cockpit/fuel tank armour plate
  • 5 mm Steel - Rear fuel tank armour
  • 8 mm Steel - Pilot's chair armour
  • 6 mm Steel - Pilot's chair armour
  • 12 mm Steel - Headrest armour
  • 57 mm Bulletproof glass - armoured windscreen

Armaments

Offensive armament

Main articles: MG 151/20 (20 mm), MG 131 (13 mm)

The Fw 190 F-8 is armed with the following:

  • 4 x 20 mm MG 151/20 cannon, wing-mounted (250 rpg = 500 total)
  • 2 x 13 mm MG 131 machine gun, nose-mounted (400 rpg = 800 total)

Suspended armament

Main articles: SC50JA (50 kg), SC250JA (250 kg), SC500K (500 kg), SC1000L2 (1,000 kg), Pb2
Main article: MK 103 (30 mm)

Payload options for the Fw 190 F-8 include:

  • Without load
  • 4 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs
  • 8 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs
  • 1 x 250 kg SC250JA bomb
  • 4 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs + 1 x 250 kg SC250JA bomb
  • 1 x 500 kg SC500K bomb
  • 4 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs + 1 x 500 kg SC500K bomb
  • 1 x 1000 kg SC1000L2 bomb
  • 4 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs + 1 x 1000 kg SC1000L2 bomb
  • 2 x 30 mm MK 103 cannon, wing-mounted (35 rpg = 70 total)
  • 14 x Pb2 rockets

Usage in the battles

The Fw-190 F-8 possesses far below average speed, acceleration and climb ability for it's tier. If you spot a bandit at the same altitude, a recommended tactic is to head-on attack, followed by an evasive maneuver and then extending away to repeat the processes. If a bandit has superior energy/altitude and is trying to attack you, try to drag them to friendlies, but don't sacrifice too much altitude to do so. If you are skilled enough, another tactic would be to initiate a scissors; either rolling or flat, and then break away when he goes to yo-yo to control his overshoot. The scissors is a highly effective maneuver in the 190s. Many good pilots have dismembered many superior aircraft simply because of the roll rate and firepower this plane possesses. If you are ballsy enough to press for a gun solution when scissoring an enemy, you could be greatly rewarded. In summary for the unintended fighter-role, climb to the side or continue climbing when starting mid-air, BnZ like a champion, never get in a sustained turn fight, and use the rate of roll to free yourself when cornered. The F-8 is most likely to be successful in realistic battles when used as a ground-attacker or bomber hunter. B-17s and Halifaxes are unlikely to fly at higher altitudes than the F-8 can perform at, which allows for the F-8s armament (especially with the 30mm gunpods) and decent durability to to be useful while not being held back by its relatively poor dogfighting capability. It is best to make quick, diving attack passes targeting the wings and engines before extending out to avoid return fire from the bomber's defensive guns. Do not turn back until you are at least 1 km away from the bomber to avoid being an easy target. Until the frontal gunpods are unlocked, 2-3 passes may be required to fully destroy a bomber. Frontal attacks can also be effective, with the engines and cockpit both viable targets, but with the trade-off being less time to shoot at the target (this goes both ways, you won't be in range of defensive guns for very long either).

In combined forces battles, the Fw-190 F-8 can carry a wider range of ordinance than most other German fighters, allowing for ground-attack using rockets, gunpods, or bombs.The 1000 kg bomb is unique to F-8 among German fighters; while the Do-335 (A-1 & B-2 variants) and Me-410 (A1 & B1 variants) can carry 1000 kg of bombs, they can only carry 250 kg and 500 kg bombs. The F-8 combines the ability to carry heavy ordinance while still retaining decent fighting capability after dropping said ordinance.

Manual Engine Control

MEC elements
Mixer Pitch Radiator Supercharger Turbocharger
Oil Water Type
Not controllable Controllable Not controllable Controllable Combined Not controllable Controllable

Modules

This attacker "Würger" has such awful responseness from the elevator, that anything which improves turnrate should have the highest priority. Otherwise it will kiss the ground more a lot more than cows do! Don't forget, it needs to dive-bomb to hit anything. And grinding the bombs cannot be forgotten!! This is an attacker, so it needs the payload unlocks, but without performance upgrades it is just pain to fly. A detour to the new belts could be considered, but two 20mm cannons are enough to handle any ground units even with stock ammo. Especially as the other performance upgrades are necessary as well due the F-8's great weight.

Tier Flight performance Survivability Weaponry
I Fuselage Repair Radiator Offensive 13 mm ETC 501 I
II Compressor Airframe New 13 mm MGs ETC 501 + ER 4 I R4/M HL modification
III Wings Repair Engine Offensive 20 mm ETC 501 II ETC 502 + ER 4 II
IV Engine Injection Cover New 20 mm cannons R3 Modification Offensive 30 mm

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Great roll rate
  • Great energy retention
  • Climb rate is consistent until 6000m altitude
  • Can WEP pretty much nonstop
  • The 30mm gunpods (with the glorious minengeschoss shells), steady rate of climb, airspawn, and decent durability combine to make for a potent bomber hunter in realistic battles
  • Only Fw-190 besides Dora series and the A5/U2 that can carry bombs
  • Ability to carry up to 1200 kgs of payload
  • Comes stock with 250 kg and 50 kg bomb options, with 500 kg and 1000 kg available as researchable modifications
  • Plenty of ammo
  • Access to 30mm Mk103 gunpods, Pb2 HEAT rockets, and 1000kg bomb, which aren't available on any other German single-engine fighter
  • Carrying the 30mm cannon pods do not have a significant reduction on flight performance when compared to the bombs
  • Well armoured from the front
  • Excellent tank busting capability
  • Can potentially win a game single-handedly if left unchecked
  • 30mm HVAP rounds can deal with any surface target except Pillboxes

Cons:

  • Poor turn rate that many Medium Bombers can beat
  • Elevator has low responsibility & effect on low-medium speeds
  • 30mm cannons are mounted on the wings therefore is innacurate
  • Firing the 30mm cannons creates recoil within the plane
  • Maneuverability at low speeds is bad
  • Generally outclassed by other 190 models when it comes to air to air combat
  • Bad climb rate for a 190 especially with payloads
  • WEP doesn't boost performance significantly

History

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Media

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Read also

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He 100  He 100 D-1
He 112  He 112 A-0 · He 112 B-0 · He 112 B-1/U2 · He 112 B-2/U2 · He 112 V-5
Messerschmitt 
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Bf 109 (DB-601)  Bf 109 E-1 · Bf 109 E-3 · Bf 109 E-4 · Bf 109 E-7/U2 · Bf 109 F-1 · Bf 109 F-2 · Bf 109 F-4 · Bf 109 F-4/trop
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Focke-Wulf 
Fw 190 (early)  Fw 190 A-1 · Fw 190 A-4 · Fw 190 A-5 · Fw 190 A-5 · Fw 190 A-5/U2 · Fw 190 A-5/U14 · Fw 190 A-8 · Fw 190 C
Fw 190 (late)  Fw 190 D-9 · Fw 190 D-12 · Fw 190 D-13
Ta 152  Ta 152 C-3 · Ta 152 H-1
Blohm & Voss 
BV 155  BV 155 B-1
  Foreign:
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USSR  ▀La-5FN · ▀Yak-1B
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Finland  ▀Hawk H-75A-2

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