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|about = American naval bomber '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} American naval dive-bomber {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.51 "Cold Steel"]].
  
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[[File:GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|420px|thumb|left|The '''{{PAGENAME}}''' in the garage]]
 
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a Rank {{Specs|rank}} American naval dive-bomber {{Battle-rating|3}}. This aircraft was introduced in [[Update 1.51 "Cold Steel"]].
 
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
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=== Flight Performance ===
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=== Flight performance ===
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The SB2C-1C has surprisingly good manoeuvrability for a dive-bomber (especially at an airspeed of around 300 km/h), although its weight means that acceleration is not outstanding and climb rate is poor. Top speed is also below-average. However, as a primarily air-to-ground attacker, these somewhat lacklustre flight characteristics do not overly hinder the vehicle's utility.
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! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 4,084 m)
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! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(meters)
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! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(metres)
 
! colspan="2" | Turn time<br>(seconds)
 
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! rowspan="2" | Take-off run<br>(metres)
 
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! Stock
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| 431 || 416 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 24.4 || 25.5 || 4.0 || 4.0 || rowspan="2" | 300
 
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| 471 || 450 || 21.7 || 23.0 || 8.7 || 6.1
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! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at ?,000 m)
 
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! rowspan="2" |Max altitude (meters)
 
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! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
 
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! colspan="2" | Rate of climb<br>(meters/second)
 
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! rowspan="2" |Take-off run (meters)
 
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====Details====
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==== Details ====
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
 
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! colspan="5" | Features
 
! colspan="5" | Features
 
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! Combat flap
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! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear
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! Take-off flap
 
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! Landing flap
 
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! Air brakes
 
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! Arrestor gear
 
 
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! colspan="5" | Limits
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! colspan="7" | Limits
 
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! rowspan="2" | Wing-break speed<br>(km/h)
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! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
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! rowspan="2" | Gear limit<br>(km/h)
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! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
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! rowspan="2" | Combat flap<br> (km/h)
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! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
 
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
 
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
 
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| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 503 || 481 || 250 || ~11 || ~5
 
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! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
 
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! Rudder<br>(km/h)
 
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! Elevators<br>(km/h)
 
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=== Survivability and armour ===
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* 38 mm Bulletproof glass in front of pilot.
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* 11.11 mm Steel plate behind pilot.
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! Optimal altitude
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* 6.35 mm Steel plate on fuselage in front of cockpit.
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* 6.35 mm Steel plates on rear machine gun.
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! WEP Engine power
 
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=== Survivability and armour ===
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The Helldiver is able to sustain moderate amounts of damage, thanks to its adequate armour setup. However, damage to the wings tends to drastically offset the plane's balance and harm controllability. The rear gunner is fairly exposed and is easily knocked out by enemy fire.
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* No armour plating
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=== Modifications and economy ===
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* No armour glazing
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* Critical components located at the front of aircraft (fuel, pilot, engine, controls)
 
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* More fuel tanks located in wings near the fuselage
 
  
 
== Armaments ==
 
== Armaments ==
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=== Offensive armament ===
 
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{{main|MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)}}
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{{main|AN/M2 (20 mm)}}
  
 
The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:
 
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* 4 x 7.5 mm [[MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)|MAC 1934]] machine guns (300 rpg = 1,200 total)
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* 2 x 20 mm AN/M2 cannons, wing-mounted (200 rpg = 400 total)
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;''Main article:&nbsp;'''[[:Category:Suspended armaments|Bombs]]'''''-->
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<!-- ''Describe the aircraft's suspended armament: additional cannons under the wings, bombs, rockets and torpedoes. This section is especially important for bombers and attackers. If there is no suspended weaponry remove this subsection.'' -->
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The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
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* 2 x 250 lb AN-M57 bombs (500 lb total)
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* 1 x 2,216 lb Mk.13-6 torpedo
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* 1 x 2,216 lb Mk.13-6 Case torpedo
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* 2 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 bombs (1,000 lb total)
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* 1 x 1,000 lb AN-M65A1 bomb (1,000 lb total)
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* 1 x Type A Mark I mine
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=== Defensive armament ===
 
=== Defensive armament ===
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== Usage in the battles ==
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{{main|Browning (7.62 mm)}}
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The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is defended by:
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* 2 x 7.62 mm Browning machine guns, dorsal turret (1,000 rpg = 2,000 total)
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== Usage in battles ==
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In Air Realistic battles, the SB2C receives an air start, which means that it is usually able to intercept enemy fighters in their climb path. When this happens, the Helldiver is very effective in a head-on role, with 2 powerful 20 mm cannons. If stealth belts are loaded, the enemy may not even realise that they are being shot at, since they may not expect a bomber to have offensive capabilities. Another way to deal with enemy fighters is in a dogfighting role. The SB2C has a surprisingly good turn rate, especially at around 300 km/h, and can turn with such planes as the [[La-5]] and [[Fw 190 (Family)|Fw 190]] series of fighters. Often, the enemy will be caught off guard by the Helldiver's dogfighting ability and enter into an engagement that they cannot win, allowing the pilot to secure the kill.
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However, the SB2C is certainly not the perfect fighter aircraft: it has a poor climb rate, poor acceleration, and is quite heavy. Therefore, it struggles against experienced enemy fighters, and the best way to fly this plane in an anti-air role is by supporting teammates and working with a group. If there is an enemy on your tail, luring them towards friendlies may be the best option. Since the Helldiver is heavy and sluggish, it can be hard to shake a tail. There is a rear gunner, but they are only armed with 2 x 7.62 mm machine guns, and are not very well protected from enemy fire. As such, it would be unwise to rely on them in every sticky situation.
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Another possible way to use this vehicle is in a ground-attack role. This can be done in Ground, Air, or Naval battles, since the Helldiver is able to carry both bombs and torpedoes. For attacking ground targets, it is recommended to use a diving attack (the vehicle is equipped with an airbrake for just this purpose) and drop ordnance when directly over the enemy. Keep in mind that this vehicle does not carry much ordnance, so it is important to make each drop count. If the bombs have been used up, then it is possible to use the 2 x 20 mm cannons against lightly armoured ground targets as well, although more heavily-armoured tanks and pillboxes will be difficult to crack. In naval battles, this plane is one of few to receive a torpedo for use against ships.
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=== Manual Engine Control ===
 
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=== Pros and cons ===
 
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'''Pros:'''
 
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* Access to air brakes
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* Airframe can withstand high speed
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* Decent durability
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* Has the ability to dive bomb and level bomb
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* Pinpoint dive bomb accuracy
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* Armed with a powerful pair of 20 mm AN/M2 cannons
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* Internal payload, next to no performance penalty when carrying bombs
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* Defensive gunner has a wide coverage
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* Pinpoint dive bomb accuracy
  
 
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* Poor power output from the engine, drops further above 4,000 m
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* Elevator tend to wildly sway after a manoeuvre
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* Wing-mounted cannons tend to be inaccurate
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* Smaller payload, ineffective against bases
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* Torpedo is carried externally, resulting in a noticeable performance drop
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* Defensive armament is ineffective against armoured foes
  
 
== History ==
 
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The SB2C Helldiver was a carrier-based dive bomber made by the Curtiss company. The aircraft had been produced from 1943-1945. It was meant to replace the Douglas SBD Dauntless as a much faster alternative to the SBD Dauntless though it sacrificed mobility. Many of the crews of the SB2C Helldiver nicked named this aircraft "Big-Tailed Beast", "Two-Cee", and Son of a Bitch Second Class due to the horrible turning capabilities of the aircraft. The aircraft mainly saw service in the United States Navy, United States Army Air Forces, French Air Force, and Royal Thai Air Force. It was a much larger version of the SBD Dauntless but many of the pilots that flew the SB2C were disappointed with the turning capability which led many pilots to go back to the outdated SBD Dauntless as it had better turning but less speed but many pilots preferred it rather than the SB2C. A total of 7,140 aircraft were produced in total from 1943-1945.
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=== SB2C-1C ===
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The SB2C-1C Helldiver was based on the SB2C-1 - the first production model. It replaced the four .50 cal (12.7 mm) machine guns of the SB2C-1 with two 20 mm cannons. It also included new hydraulically operated flaps. Because the SB2C-1 was used only for training, after only 200 were built because of the issues with the design. As such, the SB2C-1C was the first variant to be deployed. 778 SB2C-1C Helldivers were built, and it was the first variant to see combat.
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The SB2C Helldiver was used during the Battle of the Philippine Sea, where 45 were lost after running out of fuel while returning to the carriers. The SB2C took part in combat over the Marianas, Philippines, Taiwan, Iwo Jima, and Okinawa. In the Battle of Leyte Gulf, during the Philippines Campaign, SB2C Helldivers took part in the sinking of the IJN Musashi; they scored a number of bomb hits to the ship. At Okinawa, Helldivers participated in the sinking of the IJN Yamato during the Japanese Operation Ten-Go, scoring hits on the Yamato and her escorts.
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In 1945, Helldivers were used in attacks on the Ryukyu Islands and the Japanese island of Honshū. In those strikes they were used to attack airfields, communication centers, and shipping. After the two atomic bombs were dropped, the Helldiver was used in patrols until the official Japanese surrender and the subsequent occupation of Japan.
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After the war, the SB2C remained in active-duty service with the US Navy until 1947, and with the Naval Reserve until 1950.
  
 
== Media ==
 
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== Read also ==
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* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=sb2c_1c Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
  
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;Videos
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{{Youtube-gallery|uJziizNMYj8|'''The Shooting Range #164''' - ''Pages of History'' section at 04:12 discusses the SB2C Helldiver.|_mhSXtNN9Ko|'''The Shooting Range #200''' - ''Pages of History'' section at 06:03 discusses the Curtiss SB2C Helldiver.}}
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== See also ==
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== Sources ==
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* [[SB2C (Family)]]
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** [[SB2C-4]], successor to the 1C variant
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* [[SBD-3]], the SB2C-1C's predecessor
  
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== External links ==
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* [[wt:en/devblog/current/793|SB2C-1c Helldiver: Official Devblog]]
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* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/250822-curtiss-sb2c-1c/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]
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* [https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=265 SB2C-1c: MilitaryFactory.com]
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* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/250823-sb2c-helldiver-official-thread/ SB2C-1c: Official Forum thread]
  
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{{AirManufacturer Curtiss}}
 
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Description

The SB2C-1C Helldiver is a rank II American naval dive-bomber with a battle rating of 3.0 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update 1.51 "Cold Steel".

General info

Flight performance

Arrestor gear
Accelerates braking by grabbing the brake cable on the deck of the aircraft carrier
Air brakes
Allows you to dramatically reduce the flight speed by releasing special flaps
Max speed
at 4 084 m450 km/h
Turn time23 s
Max altitude7 700 m
EngineWright R-2600-8
TypeRadial
Cooling systemAir
Take-off weight7 t

The SB2C-1C has surprisingly good manoeuvrability for a dive-bomber (especially at an airspeed of around 300 km/h), although its weight means that acceleration is not outstanding and climb rate is poor. Top speed is also below-average. However, as a primarily air-to-ground attacker, these somewhat lacklustre flight characteristics do not overly hinder the vehicle's utility.

Characteristics Max Speed
(km/h at 4,084 m) 		Max altitude
(metres) 		Turn time
(seconds) 		Rate of climb
(metres/second) 		Take-off run
(metres)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
Stock 431 416 7700 24.4 25.5 4.0 4.0 300
Upgraded 471 450 21.7 23.0 8.7 6.1

Details

Features
Combat flaps Take-off flaps Landing flaps Air brakes Arrestor gear
✓ ✓ ✓ ✓ ✓
Limits
Wings (km/h) Gear (km/h) Flaps (km/h) Max Static G
Combat Take-off Landing + -
656 333 503 481 250 ~11 ~5
Optimal velocities (km/h)
Ailerons Rudder Elevators Radiator
< 257 < 350 < 380 > 313

Survivability and armour

Crew2 people
Speed of destruction
Structural656 km/h
Gear333 km/h
  • 38 mm Bulletproof glass in front of pilot.
  • 11.11 mm Steel plate behind pilot.
  • 6.35 mm Steel plate on fuselage in front of cockpit.
  • 6.35 mm Steel plates on rear machine gun.

The Helldiver is able to sustain moderate amounts of damage, thanks to its adequate armour setup. However, damage to the wings tends to drastically offset the plane's balance and harm controllability. The rear gunner is fairly exposed and is easily knocked out by enemy fire.

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference
AB871 → 1 102 Sl icon.png
RB1 418 → 1 795 Sl icon.png
SB2 297 → 2 908 Sl icon.png
Total cost of modifications10 390 Rp icon.png
13 710 Sl icon.png
Talisman cost750 Ge icon.png
Crew training6 300 Sl icon.png
Experts22 000 Sl icon.png
Aces250 Ge icon.png
Research Aces220 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
60 / 120 / 200 % Sl icon.png
124 / 124 / 124 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Flight performance Survivability Weaponry
Mods aerodinamic fuse.png
Fuselage repair
Research:
520 Rp icon.png
Cost:
690 Sl icon.png
110 Ge icon.png
Mods radiator.png
Radiator
Research:
520 Rp icon.png
Cost:
690 Sl icon.png
110 Ge icon.png
Mods compressor.png
Compressor
Research:
470 Rp icon.png
Cost:
620 Sl icon.png
100 Ge icon.png
Mods aerodinamic wing.png
Wings repair
Research:
520 Rp icon.png
Cost:
690 Sl icon.png
110 Ge icon.png
Mods new engine.png
Engine
Research:
520 Rp icon.png
Cost:
690 Sl icon.png
110 Ge icon.png
Mods metanol.png
Engine injection
Research:
840 Rp icon.png
Cost:
1 100 Sl icon.png
175 Ge icon.png
Mods armor frame.png
Airframe
Research:
470 Rp icon.png
Cost:
620 Sl icon.png
100 Ge icon.png
Mods armor cover.png
Cover
Research:
840 Rp icon.png
Cost:
1 100 Sl icon.png
175 Ge icon.png
Mods ammo.png
anm2_belt_pack
Research:
520 Rp icon.png
Cost:
690 Sl icon.png
110 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods pilon torpedo.png
ITC mk.III
Research:
520 Rp icon.png
Cost:
690 Sl icon.png
110 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods weapon.png
anm2_new_gun
Research:
470 Rp icon.png
Cost:
620 Sl icon.png
100 Ge icon.png
Mods pilon torpedo.png
Improved torpedo
Research:
470 Rp icon.png
Cost:
620 Sl icon.png
100 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods pilon bomb.png
SBC mk.I
Research:
470 Rp icon.png
Cost:
620 Sl icon.png
100 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods ammo.png
bmg30_turret_belt_pack
Research:
520 Rp icon.png
Cost:
690 Sl icon.png
110 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods air naval mine.png
Mk 13 Mod 0
Research:
520 Rp icon.png
Cost:
690 Sl icon.png
110 Ge icon.png
Mods pilon bomb.png
MBC mk.I
Research:
520 Rp icon.png
Cost:
690 Sl icon.png
110 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods turret gun.png
bmg30_turret_new_gun
Research:
840 Rp icon.png
Cost:
1 100 Sl icon.png
175 Ge icon.png
Mods pilon bomb.png
AN-Mk 1
Research:
840 Rp icon.png
Cost:
1 100 Sl icon.png
175 Ge icon.png

Armaments

Offensive armament

Weapon 12 x 20 mm AN/M2 cannon
Ammunition400 rounds
Fire rate600 shots/min
Main article: AN/M2 (20 mm)

The SB2C-1C is armed with:

  • 2 x 20 mm AN/M2 cannons, wing-mounted (200 rpg = 400 total)

Suspended armament

List of setups (8)
Setup 12 x 250 lb AN-M57 bomb
Setup 21 x Mk.13-6 torpedo (2216 lbs)
Setup 31 x Mk.13-6 Case Torpedo (2216 lbs)
Setup 42 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 bomb
Setup 51 x 1000 lb AN-M65A1 bomb
Setup 62 x 1000 lb A.P. AN-MK 33 bomb
Setup 71 x 1600 lb AN-Mk 1 armor-piercing bomb
Setup 81 x 1000 lbs Type A Mark I aircraft laid magnetic mine
Main articles: AN-M57 (250 lb), AN-M64A1 (500 lb), AN-M65A1 (1,000 lb)
Main articles: Mk.13-6 (2,216 lb), Mk.13-6 Case (2,216 lb), Type A Mark I mine

The SB2C-1C can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

  • 2 x 250 lb AN-M57 bombs (500 lb total)
  • 1 x 2,216 lb Mk.13-6 torpedo
  • 1 x 2,216 lb Mk.13-6 Case torpedo
  • 2 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 bombs (1,000 lb total)
  • 1 x 1,000 lb AN-M65A1 bomb (1,000 lb total)
  • 1 x Type A Mark I mine

Defensive armament

Turret2 x 7.62 mm Browning machine gun
Ammunition2000 rounds
Fire rate1000 shots/min
Main article: Browning (7.62 mm)

The SB2C-1C is defended by:

  • 2 x 7.62 mm Browning machine guns, dorsal turret (1,000 rpg = 2,000 total)

Usage in battles

In Air Realistic battles, the SB2C receives an air start, which means that it is usually able to intercept enemy fighters in their climb path. When this happens, the Helldiver is very effective in a head-on role, with 2 powerful 20 mm cannons. If stealth belts are loaded, the enemy may not even realise that they are being shot at, since they may not expect a bomber to have offensive capabilities. Another way to deal with enemy fighters is in a dogfighting role. The SB2C has a surprisingly good turn rate, especially at around 300 km/h, and can turn with such planes as the La-5 and Fw 190 series of fighters. Often, the enemy will be caught off guard by the Helldiver's dogfighting ability and enter into an engagement that they cannot win, allowing the pilot to secure the kill.

However, the SB2C is certainly not the perfect fighter aircraft: it has a poor climb rate, poor acceleration, and is quite heavy. Therefore, it struggles against experienced enemy fighters, and the best way to fly this plane in an anti-air role is by supporting teammates and working with a group. If there is an enemy on your tail, luring them towards friendlies may be the best option. Since the Helldiver is heavy and sluggish, it can be hard to shake a tail. There is a rear gunner, but they are only armed with 2 x 7.62 mm machine guns, and are not very well protected from enemy fire. As such, it would be unwise to rely on them in every sticky situation.

Another possible way to use this vehicle is in a ground-attack role. This can be done in Ground, Air, or Naval battles, since the Helldiver is able to carry both bombs and torpedoes. For attacking ground targets, it is recommended to use a diving attack (the vehicle is equipped with an airbrake for just this purpose) and drop ordnance when directly over the enemy. Keep in mind that this vehicle does not carry much ordnance, so it is important to make each drop count. If the bombs have been used up, then it is possible to use the 2 x 20 mm cannons against lightly armoured ground targets as well, although more heavily-armoured tanks and pillboxes will be difficult to crack. In naval battles, this plane is one of few to receive a torpedo for use against ships.

Manual Engine Control

MEC elements
Mixer Pitch Radiator Supercharger Turbocharger
Oil Water Type
Controllable Controllable
Auto control available 		Not controllable
Not auto controlled 		Controllable
Auto control available 		Combined Controllable
2 gears 		Not controllable

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Access to air brakes
  • Airframe can withstand high speed
  • Decent durability
  • Has the ability to dive bomb and level bomb
  • Pinpoint dive bomb accuracy
  • Armed with a powerful pair of 20 mm AN/M2 cannons
  • Internal payload, next to no performance penalty when carrying bombs
  • Defensive gunner has a wide coverage
  • Pinpoint dive bomb accuracy

Cons:

  • Poor power output from the engine, drops further above 4,000 m
  • Elevator tend to wildly sway after a manoeuvre
  • Wing-mounted cannons tend to be inaccurate
  • Smaller payload, ineffective against bases
  • Torpedo is carried externally, resulting in a noticeable performance drop
  • Defensive armament is ineffective against armoured foes

History

The SB2C Helldiver was a carrier-based dive bomber made by the Curtiss company. The aircraft had been produced from 1943-1945. It was meant to replace the Douglas SBD Dauntless as a much faster alternative to the SBD Dauntless though it sacrificed mobility. Many of the crews of the SB2C Helldiver nicked named this aircraft "Big-Tailed Beast", "Two-Cee", and Son of a Bitch Second Class due to the horrible turning capabilities of the aircraft. The aircraft mainly saw service in the United States Navy, United States Army Air Forces, French Air Force, and Royal Thai Air Force. It was a much larger version of the SBD Dauntless but many of the pilots that flew the SB2C were disappointed with the turning capability which led many pilots to go back to the outdated SBD Dauntless as it had better turning but less speed but many pilots preferred it rather than the SB2C. A total of 7,140 aircraft were produced in total from 1943-1945.

SB2C-1C

The SB2C-1C Helldiver was based on the SB2C-1 - the first production model. It replaced the four .50 cal (12.7 mm) machine guns of the SB2C-1 with two 20 mm cannons. It also included new hydraulically operated flaps. Because the SB2C-1 was used only for training, after only 200 were built because of the issues with the design. As such, the SB2C-1C was the first variant to be deployed. 778 SB2C-1C Helldivers were built, and it was the first variant to see combat.

The SB2C Helldiver was used during the Battle of the Philippine Sea, where 45 were lost after running out of fuel while returning to the carriers. The SB2C took part in combat over the Marianas, Philippines, Taiwan, Iwo Jima, and Okinawa. In the Battle of Leyte Gulf, during the Philippines Campaign, SB2C Helldivers took part in the sinking of the IJN Musashi; they scored a number of bomb hits to the ship. At Okinawa, Helldivers participated in the sinking of the IJN Yamato during the Japanese Operation Ten-Go, scoring hits on the Yamato and her escorts.

In 1945, Helldivers were used in attacks on the Ryukyu Islands and the Japanese island of Honshū. In those strikes they were used to attack airfields, communication centers, and shipping. After the two atomic bombs were dropped, the Helldiver was used in patrols until the official Japanese surrender and the subsequent occupation of Japan.

After the war, the SB2C remained in active-duty service with the US Navy until 1947, and with the Naval Reserve until 1950.

Media

Skins
Videos
The Shooting Range #164 - Pages of History section at 04:12 discusses the SB2C Helldiver.
The Shooting Range #200 - Pages of History section at 06:03 discusses the Curtiss SB2C Helldiver.

See also

External links


Curtiss-Wright Corporation
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  P-36A · Rasmussen's P-36A · P-36C · P-36G
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