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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was developed after early combat experience with Churchill infantry tanks. These tanks had very poor reliability and were also very slow for the modern battlefield. Thus, while the prototype A27 Cromwell was being developed, it was decided to use the A27 as a basis for a new universal tank meant to replace the cruiser and infantry tanks and combine them into a single vehicle. In 1942, the project was approved and the '''A33 Excelsior''' was born. However, the issues with the Churchill were fixed by 1943 and cruiser tanks were replaced by American M4 Shermans, thus the Excelsior was no longer needed and the project was cancelled.
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (or just '''{{Specs|name}}''') is a gift rank {{Specs|rank}} British heavy tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.67 "Assault"]] during the 2017 World War Two: Chronicle Event, unlocked after obtaining 11 Chronicle Awards. Based off the [[Cromwell V|Cromwell]] chassis, the Excelsior provides a substantial armour upgrade with speed.
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It was introduced in [[Update 1.67 "Assault"]] as a reward for the [[wt:en/news/4648-special-war-thunder-chronicles-en|2017 "War Thunder Chronicles"]] event. The Excelsior is a weird tank, since it combines reliable armour, with good mobility and decent firepower for its BR. The gun is a [[OQF Mk.V (75 mm)|75 mm OQF Mk.V]] with good penetration values, although it lacks access to APHE shells like most British tanks of WWII, the gun handling is also great at -12 degrees of depression. The tank is also fairly survivable, especially if it is angled, and also has access to smoke launchers to easily retreat or change position. However the reverse speed is very poor and it should be taken into consideration, while the armour is decent, the Excelsior is a very large target and will easily be spotted from far away.
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
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'''Armour type:'''
  
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'''Armour type:'''
 
 
* Rolled homogeneous armour
 
* Rolled homogeneous armour
 
* Cast homogeneous armour (Gun mantlet)
 
* Cast homogeneous armour (Gun mantlet)
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'''Notes:'''
 
'''Notes:'''
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* Suspension wheels and bogies are 20 mm thick while tracks are 30 mm thick.
 
* Suspension wheels and bogies are 20 mm thick while tracks are 30 mm thick.
  
 
=== Mobility ===
 
=== Mobility ===
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! Weight (tons)
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=== Modifications and economy ===
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!colspan="1" | Max speed (km/h)
 
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|rowspan="2" | 40.0 || colspan="1" rowspan="2" | N/A || colspan="1" | 41 (AB)
 
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|39 (RB/SB)
 
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!colspan="3" | Engine power (horsepower)
 
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!colspan="1" | Mode
 
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!Stock
 
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!Upgraded
 
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|''Arcade''
 
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|775
 
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|954
 
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|''Realistic/Simulator''
 
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|531
 
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|600
 
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!colspan="3" | Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
 
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!colspan="1" | Mode
 
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!Stock
 
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!Upgraded
 
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|''Arcade''
 
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|19.37
 
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|23.85
 
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|''Realistic/Simulator''
 
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|13.27
 
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|15.00
 
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== Armaments ==
 
== Armaments ==
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{{Specs-Tank-Armaments}}
 
=== Main armament ===
 
=== Main armament ===
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{{main|OQF Mk.V (75 mm)}}
  
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! colspan="5" | [[OQF Mk.V (75 mm)|75 mm OQF Mk.V]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
 
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! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
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! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
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! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
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! rowspan="1" | Stabilizer
 
 
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| colspan="3" | 104 || -12.5°/+20° || ±180° || N/A
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| rowspan="2" | 80 || rowspan="2" | -12°/+20° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 19.4 || 26.9 || 32.6 || 36.1 || 38.4 || rowspan="2" | 6.50 || rowspan="2" | 5.75 || rowspan="2" | 5.30 || rowspan="2" | 5.00
 
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! colspan="6" | Turret rotation speed (°/s)
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! ''Realistic''
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| 14.3 || 16.8 || 20.4 || 22.6 || 24.0
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! style="width:4em" |Mode
 
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! style="width:4em" |Upgraded
 
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! style="width:4em" |Prior + Full crew
 
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! style="width:4em" |Prior + Expert qualif.
 
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! style="width:4em" |Prior + Ace qualif.
 
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| ''Arcade'' || 14.28 || 19.80 || 24.0 || 26.60 || 28.20
 
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| ''Realistic'' || 14.28 || 16.80 || 20.4 || 22.60 || 24.00
 
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! colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
 
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! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Stock
 
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! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Full crew
 
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! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Expert qualif.
 
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! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Ace qualif.
 
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| 6.50 || 5.75 || 5.30 || 5.00
 
 
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===== Ammunition =====
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==== Ammunition ====
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! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
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! colspan="6" | '''Penetration''' '''''in mm''''' '''@ 90°'''
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! 100m
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! 1st<br>rack empty
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! 500m
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! 2nd<br>rack empty
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! 1000m
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! 3rd<br>rack empty
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! 1500m
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! 4th<br>rack empty
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! 2000m
 
 
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| M72 Shot || AP || 110 || 109 || 92 || 76 || 62 || 51
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| '''80''' || 55&nbsp;''(+25)'' || 50&nbsp;''(+30)'' || 48&nbsp;''(+32)'' || 46&nbsp;''(+34)''
 
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| M48 Shell || HE || 10 || 10 || 10 || 10 || 10 || 10
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! 6th<br>rack empty
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! 7th<br>rack empty
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| M61 Shot  || APCBC || 93 || 91 || 84 || 75 || 67 || 61
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| 29&nbsp;''(+51)'' || 12&nbsp;''(+68)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+79)'' || No
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! colspan="11" | Shell details
 
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! rowspan="2" class="unsortable" | Type of <br /> warhead
 
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! rowspan="2" |Velocity <br /> in m/s
 
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! rowspan="2" |Projectile<br />Mass in kg
 
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! rowspan="2" | ''Fuse delay''
 
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''in m:''
 
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! rowspan="2" | ''Fuse sensitivity''
 
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''in mm:''
 
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! rowspan="2" | ''Explosive Mass in g<br /> (TNT equivalent):''
 
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! rowspan="2" | ''Normalization At 30° <br> from horizontal:''
 
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! colspan="3" | ''Ricochet:''
 
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! 0%
 
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! 50%
 
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! 100%
 
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| M72 Shot || AP || 619 || 6.3 || N/A || N/A || N/A || -1° || 47° || 60° || 65°
 
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| M48 Shell || HE || 463 || 6.3 || 0.4 || 0.5 || 666 ||+0° || 79° || 80° || 81°
 
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| M61 Shot  || APCBC || 618 || 6.8 || N/A || N/A || N/A || +4° || 48° || 63° || 71°
 
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! colspan="7" | Smoke characteristic
 
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! Ammunition
 
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! Velocity <br /> in m/s
 
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! Projectile<br />Mass in kg
 
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! ''Screen radius <br /> in m''
 
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! ''Screen time <br /> in s''
 
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! ''Screen hold time <br /> in s:''
 
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! ''Explosive Mass in g<br /> (TNT equivalent):''
 
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| M89 || 259 || 3 || 13 || 5 || 20 || 50
 
 
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[[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumbnail|x250px|Ammo racks of the M4A3E2 Jumbo.]]
 
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |Full<br /> ammo
 
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |1st<br />  rack empty
 
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |2nd<br />  rack empty
 
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |3rd<br />  rack empty
 
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |Visual<br /> discrepancy
 
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|| '''64''' || 33&nbsp;''(+31)'' || 17&nbsp;''(+47)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+63)'' || style="text-align:left" | Yes
 
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Center empty: 33&nbsp;''(+31)''
 
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=== Optics ===
 
  
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* Racks 6 and 7 are first stage ammo racks.
  
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''If you are having problems with it, refer to the [[Optics|optics gallery]] page for examples.''
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==== Optics ====
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[[File:A.33 Excelsior Simulator Optics .gif|thumb|300x300px|A.33 Optics placement in Simulator Mode.]]
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When in simulator mode the gun will fire slightly low and to the left of the aimed position due to the sight being offset, this should be kept in mind and accounted for when engaging targets.
  
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! Which ones
 
! Which ones
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! Main Gun optics
 
! Main Gun optics
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| x1.85 || x3.5
 
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! Comparable optics
 
! Comparable optics
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=== Machine guns ===
 
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{{main|BESA (7.92 mm)}}
 
{{main|BESA (7.92 mm)}}
  
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! colspan="5" | [[BESA (7.92 mm)|7.92 mm BESA]]
 
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! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
 
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! colspan="4" rowspan="1" style="width:5em" |Capacity (Belt capacity)
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| Coaxial || 2,700 (225) || 600 || N/A || N/A
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! rowspan="1" | Fire rate <br> (shots/minute)
 
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! rowspan="1" | Vertical <br> guidance
 
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! rowspan="1" | Horizontal <br> guidance
 
 
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| colspan="4" | 2,550 (225) || 600 || N/A || N/A
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| Hull || 2,700 (225) || 600 || ±10° || ±10°
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! colspan="7" | ''Hull mount''
 
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! colspan="4" rowspan="1" style="width:5em" |Capacity (Belt capacity)
 
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! rowspan="1" | Fire rate <br> (shots/minute)
 
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! rowspan="1" | Vertical <br> guidance
 
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! rowspan="1" | Horizontal <br> guidance
 
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| colspan="4" | 2,550 (250) || 600 || ±10° || ±10°
 
 
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== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
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The A33 Excelsior is a fast moving highly manoeuvrable, well armoured heavy tank offering great speed of up to 40 km/h. It excels at flanking and catching the enemy of guard. To get the best from this tank in battle, use it speed and manoeuvrability to your advantage. Since the Excelsior is a heavy tank it armour offers up to 114 mm of protection and if angled it can further increase it to offer over 210 mm. Allowing the tank to become immune to virtually all enemy rounds. However, the thickest parts of the armour plate is on the front of the tank and front of the turret, so it is important to keep the front pointed towards the enemy in combat.
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Combined with the 75 mm cannon, which has a reload of up to five seconds, it is able to cause mayhem on the battlefield. load M61 Shot round and fire away, always aim for the sides and rear of the enemy tanks, this is the weakest parts, when at range. However, when fighting tiger tanks get as close as you can, approach from the rear and shoot the rear of the turret, it will knock the tigers turret out allowing you to head to its side and knock it out with some precision shots.
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The A33 Excelsior, does not have any turret mounted machine guns, its roof armour is only 25 mm thick allowing enemy aircraft to cause havoc. To evade the aircraft use smoke and head towards any additional smoke rounds which you may fire, this will prevent the aircraft from following you and allowing you to evade them.
  
 
=== Pros and cons ===
 
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'''Pros:'''
 
'''Pros:'''
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* Decent front armour thickness
 
* Decent front armour thickness
 
* Quite fast
 
* Quite fast
 
* Hull machine gun works
 
* Hull machine gun works
 
* -12 degrees of gun depression
 
* -12 degrees of gun depression
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* Premium SL and RP rewards
 
 
* Access to smoke
 
* Access to smoke
  
 
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* Front armour is non-sloping
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* Low ammo count
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* Front armour is not sloped
 
* Large ammo rack in turret ring makes for easy detonation
 
* Large ammo rack in turret ring makes for easy detonation
 
* Very slow reverse
 
* Very slow reverse
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== History ==
 
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The early combat experience of the [[Churchill Mk III|Churchill infantry tank]] raised concerns on its reliability and speed, with a suggestion that production be halted while development focus on an "universal tank" for the British armoured forces to replace the cruiser and infantry tanks. However, until such a design could be formulated, they still needed a tank for the assault role the infantry tanks would take.  
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The early combat experience of the [[Churchill III|Churchill infantry tank]] raised concerns on its reliability and speed, with a suggestion that production be halted while development focus on an "universal tank" for the British armoured forces to replace the cruiser and infantry tanks. However, until such a design could be formulated, they still needed a tank for the assault role the infantry tanks would take.
  
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Rolls-Royce Company, the company producing the prototype [[Cromwell_V|A27 Cromwells]], suggested that the Tank Board use the A27 as an interim design with stronger armour, suspension, and armament. The suggestion was supported with the English Electric Company, whom plan to upgrade the A27 with thicker armour and elements from the American [[M6A1|M6 heavy tank]].  
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Rolls-Royce Company, the company producing the prototype [[Cromwell V|A27 Cromwells]], suggested that the Tank Board use the A27 as an interim design with stronger armour, suspension, and armament. The suggestion was supported with the English Electric Company, whom plan to upgrade the A27 with thicker armour and elements from the American [[M6A1|M6 heavy tank]].
  
 
===Development and Cancellation===
 
===Development and Cancellation===
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On 07 May 1942<ref name="TMuseumValiant">Newsome, Bruce. "TANK INFANTRY A38, VALIANT (E1952.39)." Tankmuseum.org. The Tank Museum, n.d. Web. 10 May 2017. [http://www.tankmuseum.org/museum-online/vehicles/object-e1952-39 Website]</ref>, Tank Board approved for the production of these uparmoured A27 under the designation '''A33''', though it would also have the name '''Excelsior'''. English Electric Company were in charge of producing the uparmoured A27 models and produced two prototypes. The first had the M6 suspension system and a [[Ordnance QF 6-pounder Mk.III (57 mm)|6-pdr]] cannon. The second had a wider track, different armoured skirts, additional frontal armour, and a [[Ordnance QF Mk.V (75 mm)|75 mm gun]]. Both used the same V12 Meteor engine as the A27.
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On 07 May 1942<ref name="TMuseumValiant">Newsome, Bruce. "TANK INFANTRY A38, VALIANT (E1952.39)." Tankmuseum.org. The Tank Museum, n.d. Web. 10 May 2017. [https://web.archive.org/web/20180721133452/http://www.tankmuseum.org/museum-online/vehicles/object-e1952-39 Web Archive]</ref>, Tank Board approved for the production of these uparmoured A27 under the designation '''A33''', though it would also have the name '''Excelsior'''. English Electric Company were in charge of producing the uparmoured A27 models and produced two prototypes. The first had the M6 suspension system and a [[Ordnance QF 6-pounder Mk.III (57 mm)|6-pdr]] cannon. The second had a wider track, different armoured skirts, additional frontal armour, and a [[Ordnance QF Mk.V (75 mm)|75 mm gun]]. Both used the same V12 Meteor engine as the A27.
  
 
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Latest revision as of 13:15, 2 December 2023

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Excelsior
uk_a_33_excelsior.png
GarageImage Excelsior.jpg
Excelsior
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III Rank
Battle rating:
AB RB SB
4.0 4.0 4.0
Class:
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Description

The Tank, Heavy Assault, A33 (Excelsior) was developed after early combat experience with Churchill infantry tanks. These tanks had very poor reliability and were also very slow for the modern battlefield. Thus, while the prototype A27 Cromwell was being developed, it was decided to use the A27 as a basis for a new universal tank meant to replace the cruiser and infantry tanks and combine them into a single vehicle. In 1942, the project was approved and the A33 Excelsior was born. However, the issues with the Churchill were fixed by 1943 and cruiser tanks were replaced by American M4 Shermans, thus the Excelsior was no longer needed and the project was cancelled.

It was introduced in Update 1.67 "Assault" as a reward for the 2017 "War Thunder Chronicles" event. The Excelsior is a weird tank, since it combines reliable armour, with good mobility and decent firepower for its BR. The gun is a 75 mm OQF Mk.V with good penetration values, although it lacks access to APHE shells like most British tanks of WWII, the gun handling is also great at -12 degrees of depression. The tank is also fairly survivable, especially if it is angled, and also has access to smoke launchers to easily retreat or change position. However the reverse speed is very poor and it should be taken into consideration, while the armour is decent, the Excelsior is a very large target and will easily be spotted from far away.

General info

Survivability and armour

Smoke grenades
Creation of a smoke screen in front of the vehicle
Armourfront / side / back
Hull114 / 76 / 76
Turret114 / 89 / 76
Crew5 people
Visibility85 %

Armour type:

  • Rolled homogeneous armour
  • Cast homogeneous armour (Gun mantlet)
Armour Front (Slope angle) Sides Rear Roof
Hull 114 mm (1°) Front plate
55 mm (74°) Front glacis
114 mm (18°), 55 mm (65°) Lower glacis 		39 + 25.4 mm 32 mm (1°) Top
20 mm (18-62°) Bottom 		20 mm
Turret 114 mm (1°) Turret front
63.5 mm (1-41°) Gun mantlet 		63.5 mm 63.5 mm (1°) 20 mm

Notes:

  • Suspension wheels and bogies are 20 mm thick while tracks are 30 mm thick.

Mobility

Speedforward / back
AB42 / 3 km/h
RB and SB39 / 3 km/h
Number of gears5 forward
1 back
Weight40.0 t
Engine power
AB1 198 hp
RB and SB628 hp
Power-to-weight ratio
AB30.0 hp/t
RB and SB15.7 hp/t
Game Mode Max Speed (km/h) Weight (tons) Engine power (horsepower) Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Forward Reverse Stock Upgraded Stock Upgraded
Arcade 42 3 40 811 1,198 20.28 29.95
Realistic 39 3 555 628 13.88 15.7

Modifications and economy

Repair cost
AB1 070 Sl icon.png
RB1 127 Sl icon.png
SB1 421 Sl icon.png
Crew training10 000 Sl icon.png
Experts165 000 Sl icon.png
Aces470 Ge icon.png
Research Aces710 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
Talisman.png 2 × 90 / 130 / 150 % Sl icon.png
Talisman.png 2 × 148 / 148 / 148 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Mobility Protection Firepower
Mods new tank traks.png
Tracks
Mods new tank suspension.png
Suspension
Mods new tank break.png
Brake System
Mods new tank filter.png
Filters
Mods new tank transmission.png
Transmission
Mods new tank engine.png
Engine
Mods tank tool kit.png
Improved Parts
Mods extinguisher.png
Improved FPE
Mods tank reinforcement uk.png
Crew Replenishment
Mods new tank horizontal aiming.png
Horizontal Drive
Mods tank cannon.png
Adjustment of Fire
Mods tank ammo.png
75mm_britain_APCBC_ammo_pack
Mods new tank vertical aiming.png
Elevation Mechanism
Mods tank ammo.png
75mm_us_M89_Smoke_ammo_pack
Mods smoke screen.png
Smoke grenade

Armaments

Main armament

75 mm OQF Mk.V cannon
Ammunition80 rounds
First-order28 rounds
Reloadbasic crew → aces
6.5 → 5.0 s
Vertical guidance-12° / 20°
Main article: OQF Mk.V (75 mm)
75 mm OQF Mk.V Turret rotation speed (°/s) Reloading rate (seconds)
Mode Capacity Vertical Horizontal Stabilizer Stock Upgraded Full Expert Aced Stock Full Expert Aced
Arcade 80 -12°/+20° ±180° N/A 19.4 26.9 32.6 36.1 38.4 6.50 5.75 5.30 5.00
Realistic 14.3 16.8 20.4 22.6 24.0

Ammunition

Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
M72 shot AP 91 88 78 67 57 49
M61 shot APCBC 103 100 89 77 66 57
M48 shell HE 10 10 10 10 10 10
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Velocity
(m/s) 		Projectile
mass (kg) 		Fuse delay
(m) 		Fuse sensitivity
(mm) 		Explosive mass
(TNT equivalent) (g) 		Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
M72 shot AP 619 6.3 - - - 47° 60° 65°
M61 shot APCBC 618 6.53 - - - 48° 63° 71°
M48 shell HE 463 6.3 0 0.1 666 79° 80° 81°
Smoke shell characteristics
Ammunition Velocity
(m/s) 		Projectile
mass (kg) 		Screen radius
(m) 		Screen deploy
time (s) 		Screen hold
time (s) 		Explosive mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
M89 259 3 13 5 20 50

Ammo racks

Ammo racks of the Excelsior
Full
ammo 		1st
rack empty 		2nd
rack empty 		3rd
rack empty 		4th
rack empty
80 55 (+25) 50 (+30) 48 (+32) 46 (+34)
5th
rack empty 		6th
rack empty 		7th
rack empty 		Visual
discrepancy
29 (+51) 12 (+68) 1 (+79) No

Notes:

  • Racks 6 and 7 are first stage ammo racks.

Optics

A.33 Optics placement in Simulator Mode.

When in simulator mode the gun will fire slightly low and to the left of the aimed position due to the sight being offset, this should be kept in mind and accounted for when engaging targets.

Excelsior Optics
Which ones Default magnification Maximum magnification
Main Gun optics x1.85 x3.5
Comparable optics Churchill Mk I

Machine guns

2 x 7.92 mm BESA machine gun (coaxial)
Ammunition5 400 rounds
Belt capacity225 rounds
Reloadbasic crew → aces
10.4 → 8.0 s
Fire rate600 shots/min
Main article: BESA (7.92 mm)
7.92 mm BESA
Mount Capacity (Belt) Fire rate Vertical Horizontal
Coaxial 2,700 (225) 600 N/A N/A
Hull 2,700 (225) 600 ±10° ±10°

Usage in battles

The A33 Excelsior is a fast moving highly manoeuvrable, well armoured heavy tank offering great speed of up to 40 km/h. It excels at flanking and catching the enemy of guard. To get the best from this tank in battle, use it speed and manoeuvrability to your advantage. Since the Excelsior is a heavy tank it armour offers up to 114 mm of protection and if angled it can further increase it to offer over 210 mm. Allowing the tank to become immune to virtually all enemy rounds. However, the thickest parts of the armour plate is on the front of the tank and front of the turret, so it is important to keep the front pointed towards the enemy in combat.

Combined with the 75 mm cannon, which has a reload of up to five seconds, it is able to cause mayhem on the battlefield. load M61 Shot round and fire away, always aim for the sides and rear of the enemy tanks, this is the weakest parts, when at range. However, when fighting tiger tanks get as close as you can, approach from the rear and shoot the rear of the turret, it will knock the tigers turret out allowing you to head to its side and knock it out with some precision shots.

The A33 Excelsior, does not have any turret mounted machine guns, its roof armour is only 25 mm thick allowing enemy aircraft to cause havoc. To evade the aircraft use smoke and head towards any additional smoke rounds which you may fire, this will prevent the aircraft from following you and allowing you to evade them.

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Decent front armour thickness
  • Quite fast
  • Hull machine gun works
  • -12 degrees of gun depression
  • Access to smoke

Cons:

  • Front armour is not sloped
  • Large ammo rack in turret ring makes for easy detonation
  • Very slow reverse
  • Shells have no HE filler
  • Weak side armour

History

Prompt

The early combat experience of the Churchill infantry tank raised concerns on its reliability and speed, with a suggestion that production be halted while development focus on an "universal tank" for the British armoured forces to replace the cruiser and infantry tanks. However, until such a design could be formulated, they still needed a tank for the assault role the infantry tanks would take.

Rolls-Royce Company, the company producing the prototype A27 Cromwells, suggested that the Tank Board use the A27 as an interim design with stronger armour, suspension, and armament. The suggestion was supported with the English Electric Company, whom plan to upgrade the A27 with thicker armour and elements from the American M6 heavy tank.

Development and Cancellation

On 07 May 1942[1], Tank Board approved for the production of these uparmoured A27 under the designation A33, though it would also have the name Excelsior. English Electric Company were in charge of producing the uparmoured A27 models and produced two prototypes. The first had the M6 suspension system and a 6-pdr cannon. The second had a wider track, different armoured skirts, additional frontal armour, and a 75 mm gun. Both used the same V12 Meteor engine as the A27.

Reliability issues with the Churchill were soon ironed out by 1943, to the point it became a very successful infantry support vehicle and multiple variations were made based off the chassis. The A33 Excelsior, meant to replace the Churchill, was no longer needed and the project was dropped in 1943.

Today, the second prototype can be seen at the Bovington Tank Museum.

Media

Skins
Videos
The Shooting Range #302 - Pages of History section at 03:54 discusses the Excelsior.

See also

Other vehicles of similar configuration and role

External links

References

  1. ↑ Newsome, Bruce. "TANK INFANTRY A38, VALIANT (E1952.39)." Tankmuseum.org. The Tank Museum, n.d. Web. 10 May 2017. Web Archive


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