Lim-5P (Germany)

◊Lim-5P

◊MiG-15bis

◊MiG-19S

◊Lim-5P

◊MiG-15bis

◊MiG-19S

Germany

VI Rank

Battle rating:

AB	RB	SB
9.0	8.7	9.0

Class:

Fighter

Jet fighter

Research:160 000

Purchase:450 000

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Description

The ◊Lim-5P is a rank VI German jet fighter with a battle rating of 9.0 (AB/SB) and 8.7 (RB). It was introduced in Update "Danger Zone".

The Lim-5P (LIcencyjny Myśliwiec; Licensed Fighter) is a Polish built MiG-17PF in East-German service. Compared to the MiG-17 in the Soviet tech tree, the MiG-17PF/Lim-5P (Germany) features an airborne radar to search for aerial targets, an afterburning engine, and a uniform armament with three 23 mm cannons. While players of China's Shenyang F-5 will find the performance very similar thanks to the afterburner, the Lim-5P has 3 x 23 mm cannons and no missiles. Although the 23 mm guns have more ammo, players might need more practice to utilize this jet properly.

General info

Flight performance

Air brakes

Allows you to dramatically reduce the flight speed by releasing special flaps

Max speed

at 2 000 m1 114 km/h

Turn time21 s

Max altitude15 500 m

EngineKlimov VK-1

TypeJet

Cooling systemAir

Take-off weight5 t

Characteristics	Max Speed (km/h at 2,000 m)		Max altitude (metres)	Turn time (seconds)		Rate of climb (metres/second)		Take-off run (metres)
	AB	RB		AB	RB	AB	RB
Stock	1,101	1,094	15500	21.8	23.0	39.1	36.1	475
Upgraded	1,126	1,114		21.2	21.5	61.9	50.0

Players who own the Chinese (North Korean) F-5 will soon find themselves at home thanks to the exact same engine configuration- the VK-1F turbojet engine in this case; this sets Lim-5P apart from its Soviet counterparts. The overall handling though is very similar as well as they share the very same MiG-17 airframe aside from lacking the infamous N-37D cannon for higher damage; so most of the same traits shared on MiG-17 series are also a thing on Lim-5P. Be sure not to go too fast (> 900 km/h; the control surfaces lock up beyond this speed and increase the odds of an unwanted crash) and do make sure you finish off the target as fast as possible, bail from the battlefield before anything with better missiles come over; also beware of the below average roll rate, this could be a problem in necessary dogfights but the overall maneuverability is still sufficient to finish off damaged jets or jet bombers if needed.

Details

Unlike other MiG-17 variants, the Lim-5P has a unique cockpit with drastically improved visibility, a single artificial horizon reference line on both the collimator and the radar with separate search and track radars.

Features
Combat flaps	Take-off flaps	Landing flaps	Air brakes	Arrestor gear	Drogue chute
X	✓	✓	✓	X	X

Limits
Wings (km/h)	Gear (km/h)	Flaps (km/h)			Max Static G
		Combat	Take-off	Landing	+	-
0	450	N/A	598	450	~12	~5

Optimal velocities (km/h)
Ailerons	Rudder	Elevators	Radiator
< 600	< 700	< 750	N/A

Engine performance

Engine			Aircraft mass
Engine name		Number	Basic mass		Wing loading (full fuel)
Klimov VK-1		1	4,112 kg		234 kg/m2
Engine characteristics			Mass with fuel (no weapons load)			Max Gross Weight
Weight (each)	Type		9m fuel	20m fuel	30m fuel
892 kg	Afterburning centrifugal-flow turbojet		4,463 kg	4,887 kg	5,283 kg	5,336 kg
Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB/SB)			Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (WEP)
Condition	100%	WEP	9m fuel	20m fuel	30m fuel	MGW
Stationary	2,380 kgf	2,932 kgf	0.66	0.60	0.55	0.55
Optimal	2,380 kgf (0 km/h)	2,932 kgf (0 km/h)	0.66	0.60	0.55	0.55

Survivability and armour

Crew1 person

Speed of destruction

Structural0 km/h

Gear450 km/h

Like his Fresco cousins, aside from a 60 mm windshield, it has 16 mm steel plates behind the pilot seats and a 10 mm one by the intake; although it might not sound much to autocannons, but having this extra layer of protection is better than none at all for the pilot.

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference

AB3 079 → 4 439

RB8 783 → 12 665

SB9 576 → 13 808

Total cost of modifications144 200

229 000

Talisman cost2 400

Crew training130 000

Experts450 000

Aces2 200

Research Aces890 000

Reward for battleAB / RB / SB

130 / 380 / 600 %

214 / 214 / 214 %

Modifications

Flight performance	Survivability	Weaponry
Fuselage repair Research: 9 400 Cost: 15 000 280 Compressor Research: 9 400 Cost: 15 000 280 New boosters Research: 16 000 Cost: 25 000 480 Wings repair Research: 18 000 Cost: 29 000 540 G-suit Research: 12 000 Cost: 19 000 360 Engine Research: 12 000 Cost: 19 000 360	Airframe Research: 16 000 Cost: 25 000 480 Cover Research: 12 000 Cost: 19 000 360	ns23_belt_pack Research: 9 400 Cost: 15 000 280 ns23_new_gun Research: 18 000 Cost: 29 000 540 EFS Research: 12 000 Cost: 19 000 360

Armaments

Offensive armament

Weapon 13 x 23 mm NR-23 cannon

Ammunition300 rounds

Fire rate900 shots/min

The Lim-5P (Germany) is armed with:

• 3 x 23 mm NR-23 cannons, chin-mounted (100 rpg = 300 total)

Different from his cousins in other trees, Lim-5P replaced the nose 37 mm N-37D cannon with another 23 mm NR-23 instead; perhaps there are some weight reduction in this case but this also decrease the overall firepower. For players who find 23 mm sometimes unreliable, this is a good time to practice its ballistics and make sure every shot counts; 100 rounds per gun is not as forgiving as NATO jets.

Usage in battles

MiG-17 equivalent for the DDR line fighters is the best description for Lim-5P; it is the Polish licensed version of MiG-17PF and this also marks its identity as a all-weather interceptor with a RP-5 radar. It might not be very reliable due to its electronics, but 8 km detection range at higher altitude does also gives players an edge on spotting enemies beforehand; this is especially true in SB since who spot first really matters in this case (but do make sure the target is indeed an enemy). Another feature of Lim-5P is the VK-1F afterburner turbojet engine, players of Shenyang F-5 will soon find themselves at home as this further boost its capability to chase down enemies with lower energy or altitude with ease, sometimes even handling supersonic jets in dire.

However, players will also find the similar flaws from his cousins: control surfaces lock up and subpar roll rate at higher speeds. Be sure to check the speeds before chasing down enemies or players will meet their demise quickly; do beware of jets with missiles when doing dogfights, since the heat from the afterburner is high, turn it off for better odds to dodge the missile. Meanwhile, it has 3 x 23 mm NR-23 cannons instead of the conventional 2 x 23 mm and a 37 mm N-37D config for lighter weight during interception missions and also higher ammo count; to some players it means more rounds to sparse, while some consider it as a big nerf from his cousins since the 23 mm rounds don't fly as straight as their NATO counterparts and some might prefer having a 37 mm for an instant-kill. Trigger discipline is still essential for this jet (300 rounds in total) to make sure the best efficiency can be achieved- it is still an autocannon, after all.

Pros and cons

Pros:

• Very good acceleration due to the afterburner
• Has a RP-5 radar to search enemies
• Above average top speed and climb rate
• Turn rate is better than most enemies it faces
• More ammo for cannons compared to MiG-15s/17s

Cons:

• Rather bad roll rate at high speeds
• Compresses at high speeds
• 23 mm cannons have subpar velocity
• Lacks ground-attack ordnances

History

The MiG-17 (NATO: Fresco) has been the weapon of choice for Warsaw Pact or allies of Soviet Union and has already been exported to tens of countries throughout the 1950s; while the development for supersonic jets were still in progress, some countries with better heavy industry capabilities decided to get the license for building them domestically. Aside from the other wide-spread build of Shenyang J-5 (歼-5), the other licensed build was the WSK "PZL-Mielec" Lim-5 and 6 from Poland.

The licensing contract was signed in 1955 as the replacement of the earlier Lim-2 (MiG-15), Lim-5P was the all-weather variant of MiG-17PF with revisions on armaments and engine, as well as a RP-5 radar for target acquisition. By the end of 1960, 129 of them were built; some of them were also converted into Lim-6M and -6MR variant as attacker/recon aircraft for Polish Air Force.

The LSK (Luftstreitkräfte; East German Airforce) acquired 40-48 of MiG-17PF/Lim-5P from both USSR and Poland as one of the composition of their jet fighter/attacker fleets. They didn't join any combats and been phrased out by newer jets from USSR between 1970 to 1973, either being scrapped or been transferred to Guinea-Bissau in the 1980s.

Media

Skins

• Skins and camouflages for the Lim-5P (Germany) from live.warthunder.com.

Videos

The Shooting Range #309 - Metal Beasts section at 00:25 discusses the Lim-5P (Germany).

See also

Related development

• MiG-17 (Family)

External links

References

PZL Mielec (Polskie Zakłady Lotnicze)
Jet Fighters	◊Lim-5P
See also	Mikoyan-Gurevich Design Bureau