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=== Survivability and armour === | === Survivability and armour === | ||
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| − | The M8 Greyhound has next to no armour protection. Its armour can stop rifle-calibre machine gun fire, but nothing more. Even then, the vehicle's turret has an open roof and very thin armour on the sides and the rear, so it is still possible for a few unlucky machine gun bullets to find their way inside. The Greyhound also has hull-break, however, generally speaking, losing all your crew members is a greater concern especially given that most vehicles at its battle rating do not have very powerful cannons. In addition, the modules are lined up and the crew is close together when looking straight at the front of the vehicle. From the side, however, this is not the case - there is a small area behind the two crew members in the turret but in front of the fuel tank with no modules in it | + | The M8 Greyhound has next to no armour protection. Its armour can stop rifle-calibre machine gun fire, but nothing more. Even then, the vehicle's turret has an open roof and very thin armour on the sides and the rear, so it is still possible for a few unlucky machine gun bullets to find their way inside. The Greyhound also has hull-break, however, generally speaking, losing all your crew members is a greater concern especially given that most vehicles at its battle rating do not have very powerful cannons. In addition, the modules are lined up and the crew is close together when looking straight at the front of the vehicle. From the side, however, this is not the case - there is a small area behind the two crew members in the turret but in front of the fuel tank with no modules in it and an even larger area of empty space between the turret crew and the driver/machine gunner. |
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| + | Thanks to the thin armour, it is very possible for rounds to over-penetrate and passes through without dealing any significant damage. The vehicles size, or lack thereof, should also be taken into account. The M8 Greyhound is very small and short, making it easy to exploit hiding spots and hills for protection. It can stay out of sight and use stealth to its advantage with little trouble. The .50 calibre machine gun on the roof is raised up, but there are no critical modules surrounding it and it is relatively small so it can be used to shoot over obstacles without risking damage to the armoured car. While the raw armour and protection on the M8 Greyhound are lacking, where it shines is in its ability to hide and use its good top speed to get around quickly and avoid being hit. | ||
=== Mobility === | === Mobility === | ||
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=== Main armament === | === Main armament === | ||
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| − | {{main|M6 (37 mm)}}The M8 LAC is armed with an [[M6 (37 mm)|37 mm M6]] cannon as its main armament. This is a small | + | {{main|M6 (37 mm)}}The M8 LAC is armed with an [[M6 (37 mm)|37 mm M6]] cannon as its main armament. This is a small calibre fast-firing gun with a maximum penetration of 84 mm at 100 m (M51B1/B2 shell), being able to penetrate almost all the opponents it will ever face. While it lacks the post-penetration damage to one-shot most enemy vehicles, it can quickly finish them off with its fast reload. The penetration and trajectory drop significantly beyond 500 m. Note that the gun has a vertical stabiliser, giving the player a huge advantage in some cases, but keep in mind that the stabiliser only works when the tank is slower than 10 km/h. |
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=== Machine guns === | === Machine guns === | ||
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| − | {{main|M2HB (12.7 mm)|M1919A4 (7.62 mm)}}The two machine guns on the M8 LAC are the good old [[M2HB (12.7 mm)|.50 cal M2HB]] and the [[M1919A4 (7.62 mm)|7.62 mm M1919A4]]. The roof-mounted .50 cal can traverse 360 degrees and has great depression & elevation, posting a big threat to any plane that is flying too close to the M8. It has an unbelievable penetration of 31mm at 10m, meaning it can easily penetrate plenty of lightly | + | {{main|M2HB (12.7 mm)|M1919A4 (7.62 mm)}}The two machine guns on the M8 LAC are the good old [[M2HB (12.7 mm)|.50 cal M2HB]] and the [[M1919A4 (7.62 mm)|7.62 mm M1919A4]]. The roof-mounted .50 cal can traverse 360 degrees and has great depression & elevation, posting a big threat to any plane that is flying too close to the M8. It has an unbelievable penetration of 31mm at 10m, meaning it can easily penetrate plenty of lightly armoured vehicles and even the side of some medium tanks. The 7.62mm, on the other hand, can only efficiently damage exposed crews due to its low penetration. |
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== Usage in battles == | == Usage in battles == | ||
| − | + | When using this vehicle keep in mind that you are virtually naked to every main gun, that means you should not expose yourself unnecessarily and not give the opponents a chance to shoot at you, coupled with the fact that the main gun can penetrate every other vehicle in its rank and its excellent mobility makes this vehicle a hit and run tactic very viable, ambushing your opponent on your terms after you destroyed it change your position again and find concealment and or cover, use your fast reverse speed to your advantage, avoid 1 on 1 fights, and fair fights. | |
At the start of the match, the M8 is best used for a point-capping vehicle. Find a road connecting a point to unleash its scary 90 km/h on-road top speed and it is likely to get to the point before the enemy can. Once the point is capped quickly move away as there are likely to be artillery strikes which can critically damage the M8. | At the start of the match, the M8 is best used for a point-capping vehicle. Find a road connecting a point to unleash its scary 90 km/h on-road top speed and it is likely to get to the point before the enemy can. Once the point is capped quickly move away as there are likely to be artillery strikes which can critically damage the M8. | ||
| − | After capping a point, there are two good options (just examples, the player is free to play in their own way). One is to hide at the side of the point, waiting for the enemy to re-cap it. Use its small profile to set up a good ambush, and flank the enemy unexpectedly. The fast firing gun will truly shine when attacking several enemies from the side or rear, giving the player the opportunity to knock out a surprising amount of enemies. Once the enemies are wiped out, quickly re-cap the point and ambush again. Note that the player might want to change their position as some enemy might try and revenge. | + | After capping a point, there are two good options (just examples, the player is free to play in their own way). One is to hide at the side of the point, waiting for the enemy to re-cap it. Use its small profile to set up a good ambush, and flank the enemy unexpectedly. The fast-firing gun will truly shine when attacking several enemies from the side or rear, giving the player the opportunity to knock out a surprising amount of enemies. Once the enemies are wiped out, quickly re-cap the point and ambush again. Note that the player might want to change their position as some enemy might try and revenge. |
Another playstyle is the hit-n-run tactic, thanks to its great mobility and small profile. If careful enough, it is able to travel between points like a ghost without being noticed and flank the enemies. The stabiliser will help a lot as it gives the player the ability to fire first. If the first shell missed or didn't penetrate, it can even finish off the enemy with the .50 cal alone! | Another playstyle is the hit-n-run tactic, thanks to its great mobility and small profile. If careful enough, it is able to travel between points like a ghost without being noticed and flank the enemies. The stabiliser will help a lot as it gives the player the ability to fire first. If the first shell missed or didn't penetrate, it can even finish off the enemy with the .50 cal alone! | ||
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'''Pros:''' | '''Pros:''' | ||
| − | * Roof mounted .50 calibre machine gun can easily damage plenty of tanks at its tier and is useful against planes | + | * Roof-mounted .50 calibre machine gun can easily damage plenty of tanks at its tier and is useful against planes |
| − | * Roof mounted machine gun can traverse 360 degrees, unlike most roof mounted MGs | + | * Roof-mounted machine gun can traverse 360 degrees, unlike most roof-mounted MGs |
* Very fast on-road speed | * Very fast on-road speed | ||
* Fast turret traverse speed | * Fast turret traverse speed | ||
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== History == | == History == | ||
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| − | The M8 replaced the M3A1 Scout Car and M2 Halftrack as the main armoured vehicle of the US mechanized cavalry starting in late 1943. 8,500 were built. The vehicle's lightweight and 6x6 drive gave it excellent speed and cross-country mobility. It was well-liked by the crews but was still thin-skinned and under-gunned when compared to the opposition. | + | |
| + | The M8 replaced the M3A1 Scout Car and M2 Halftrack as the main armoured vehicle of the US mechanized cavalry starting in late 1943. 8,500 were built. The vehicle's lightweight and 6x6 drive gave it the excellent speed and cross-country mobility. It was well-liked by the crews but was still thin-skinned and under-gunned when compared to the opposition. | ||
== Media == | == Media == | ||
Revision as of 18:38, 22 May 2020
Contents
| This page is about the American gift light tank M8 LAC. For other uses, see M8 (Disambiguation). For other vehicles of the family, see M8 Greyhound (Family). |
Description
The Light Armored Car M8 is a gift rank I American light tank
with a battle rating of 1.0 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced during Update 1.73 "Vive la France" as part of a vehicle giveaway on War Thunder's 5th anniversary.
General info
Survivability and armour
The M8 Greyhound has next to no armour protection. Its armour can stop rifle-calibre machine gun fire, but nothing more. Even then, the vehicle's turret has an open roof and very thin armour on the sides and the rear, so it is still possible for a few unlucky machine gun bullets to find their way inside. The Greyhound also has hull-break, however, generally speaking, losing all your crew members is a greater concern especially given that most vehicles at its battle rating do not have very powerful cannons. In addition, the modules are lined up and the crew is close together when looking straight at the front of the vehicle. From the side, however, this is not the case - there is a small area behind the two crew members in the turret but in front of the fuel tank with no modules in it and an even larger area of empty space between the turret crew and the driver/machine gunner.
Thanks to the thin armour, it is very possible for rounds to over-penetrate and passes through without dealing any significant damage. The vehicles size, or lack thereof, should also be taken into account. The M8 Greyhound is very small and short, making it easy to exploit hiding spots and hills for protection. It can stay out of sight and use stealth to its advantage with little trouble. The .50 calibre machine gun on the roof is raised up, but there are no critical modules surrounding it and it is relatively small so it can be used to shoot over obstacles without risking damage to the armoured car. While the raw armour and protection on the M8 Greyhound are lacking, where it shines is in its ability to hide and use its good top speed to get around quickly and avoid being hit.
Mobility
| Game Mode | Max Speed (km/h) | Weight (tons) | Engine power (horsepower) | Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton) | |||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Forward | Reverse | Stock | Upgraded | Stock | Upgraded | ||
| Arcade | 101 | 15 | 7.9 | 129 | 210 | 16.33 | 26.58 |
| Realistic | 91 | 13 | 97 | 110 | 12.28 | 13.92 | |
On realistic it reaches 38 km/h off road, and 55 km/h on road with 7 gears, it also has -12 km/h reverse speed on two reverse gears.
| Game Mode | Max Speed (km/h) | Weight (tons) | Engine power (horsepower) | Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton) | |||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Forward | Reverse | Stock | Upgraded | Stock | Upgraded | ||
| Arcade | 100 | 13 | 7.9 | 129 | 210 | 16.33 | 26.58 |
| Realistic | 90 | 12 | 97 | 110 | 12.28 | 13.92 | |
Armaments
Main armament
The M8 LAC is armed with an 37 mm M6 cannon as its main armament. This is a small calibre fast-firing gun with a maximum penetration of 84 mm at 100 m (M51B1/B2 shell), being able to penetrate almost all the opponents it will ever face. While it lacks the post-penetration damage to one-shot most enemy vehicles, it can quickly finish them off with its fast reload. The penetration and trajectory drop significantly beyond 500 m. Note that the gun has a vertical stabiliser, giving the player a huge advantage in some cases, but keep in mind that the stabiliser only works when the tank is slower than 10 km/h.| 37 mm M6 | Turret rotation speed (°/s) | Reloading rate (seconds) | |||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Mode | Capacity | Vertical | Horizontal | Stabilizer | Stock | Upgraded | Full | Expert | Aced | Stock | Full | Expert | Aced |
| Arcade | 80 | -10°/+20° | ±180° | Vertical | 19.0 | ? | 32.0 | 35.40 | 37.60 | 3.7 | 3.3 | 3.0 | 2.9 |
| Realistic | 11.0 | ? | 17.0 | 18.80 | 20.00 | ||||||||
Ammunition
| Penetration statistics | |||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ammunition | Type of warhead |
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm) | |||||
| 10 m | 100 m | 500 m | 1,000 m | 1,500 m | 2,000 m | ||
| M51B1/B2 | APCBC | 87 | 84 | 73 | 60 | 50 | 41 |
| M63 shell | HE | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| M74B1 | AP | 78 | 76 | 65 | 54 | 45 | 37 |
| Shell details | ||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ammunition | Type of warhead |
Velocity (m/s) |
Projectile Mass (kg) |
Fuse delay (m) |
Fuse sensitivity (mm) |
Explosive Mass (TNT equivalent) (g) |
Normalisation at 30° from horizontal |
Ricochet | ||
| 0% | 50% | 100% | ||||||||
| M51B1/B2 | APCBC | 883 | 0.87 | N/A | N/A | N/A | +4.0° | 48° | 63° | 71° |
| M63 shell | HE | 807 | 0.73 | 0.1 | 0.5 | 38 | +0.0° | 79° | 80° | 81° |
| M74B1 | AP | 883 | 0.87 | N/A | N/A | N/A | -1.0° | 47° | 60° | 65° |
Ammo racks
| Full ammo |
1st rack empty |
2nd rack empty |
3rd rack empty |
4th rack empty |
5th rack empty |
6th rack empty |
Visual discrepancy |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 80 | __ (+__) | __ (+__) | __ (+__) | __ (+__) | __ (+__) | __ (+__) | __ |
Machine guns
The two machine guns on the M8 LAC are the good old .50 cal M2HB and the 7.62 mm M1919A4. The roof-mounted .50 cal can traverse 360 degrees and has great depression & elevation, posting a big threat to any plane that is flying too close to the M8. It has an unbelievable penetration of 31mm at 10m, meaning it can easily penetrate plenty of lightly armoured vehicles and even the side of some medium tanks. The 7.62mm, on the other hand, can only efficiently damage exposed crews due to its low penetration.| 12.7 mm M2HB | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Mount | Capacity (Belt capacity) |
Fire rate (shots/minute) |
Vertical guidance |
Horizontal guidance |
| Commander pintle | 400 (200) | 576 | -10°/+40° | ±180° |
| 7.62 mm M1919A4 | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Mount | Capacity (Belt capacity) |
Fire rate (shots/minute) |
Vertical guidance |
Horizontal guidance |
| Coaxial | 1,500 (250) | 500 | N/A | N/A |
Usage in battles
When using this vehicle keep in mind that you are virtually naked to every main gun, that means you should not expose yourself unnecessarily and not give the opponents a chance to shoot at you, coupled with the fact that the main gun can penetrate every other vehicle in its rank and its excellent mobility makes this vehicle a hit and run tactic very viable, ambushing your opponent on your terms after you destroyed it change your position again and find concealment and or cover, use your fast reverse speed to your advantage, avoid 1 on 1 fights, and fair fights.
At the start of the match, the M8 is best used for a point-capping vehicle. Find a road connecting a point to unleash its scary 90 km/h on-road top speed and it is likely to get to the point before the enemy can. Once the point is capped quickly move away as there are likely to be artillery strikes which can critically damage the M8.
After capping a point, there are two good options (just examples, the player is free to play in their own way). One is to hide at the side of the point, waiting for the enemy to re-cap it. Use its small profile to set up a good ambush, and flank the enemy unexpectedly. The fast-firing gun will truly shine when attacking several enemies from the side or rear, giving the player the opportunity to knock out a surprising amount of enemies. Once the enemies are wiped out, quickly re-cap the point and ambush again. Note that the player might want to change their position as some enemy might try and revenge.
Another playstyle is the hit-n-run tactic, thanks to its great mobility and small profile. If careful enough, it is able to travel between points like a ghost without being noticed and flank the enemies. The stabiliser will help a lot as it gives the player the ability to fire first. If the first shell missed or didn't penetrate, it can even finish off the enemy with the .50 cal alone!
Modules
| Tier | Mobility | Protection | Firepower | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| I | Tires | Parts | Horizontal Drive | M51B1/B2 | |
| II | Suspension | Brake System | FPE | Adjustment of Fire | |
| III | Filters | Crew Replenishment | Elevation Mechanism | ||
| IV | Transmission | Engine | Artillery Support | ||
| This is a premium vehicle: all modifications are unlocked on purchase | |||||
Pros and cons
Pros:
- Roof-mounted .50 calibre machine gun can easily damage plenty of tanks at its tier and is useful against planes
- Roof-mounted machine gun can traverse 360 degrees, unlike most roof-mounted MGs
- Very fast on-road speed
- Fast turret traverse speed
- Fast reload speed
- High penetration for its tier
- Enemy rounds can over-penetrate without dealing much damage due to low armour
Cons:
- No tracks, cannot turn in place
- Lacklustre off-road mobility compared to tracked vehicles
- Wide turning radius, can make manoeuvring difficult
- Low armour and open turret roof
- Crew and modules are packed close together from a front perspective
History
The M8 replaced the M3A1 Scout Car and M2 Halftrack as the main armoured vehicle of the US mechanized cavalry starting in late 1943. 8,500 were built. The vehicle's lightweight and 6x6 drive gave it the excellent speed and cross-country mobility. It was well-liked by the crews but was still thin-skinned and under-gunned when compared to the opposition.
Media
Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.
See also
Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:
- reference to the series of the vehicles;
- links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.
External links
| USA light tanks | |
|---|---|
| LVT | LVT(A)(1) · ○LVT(A)(1) · LVT(A)(4) |
| M2 | M2A2 · M2A4 · M2A4 (1st Arm.Div.) |
| M3/M5 Stuart | M3 Stuart · M3A1 Stuart · M3A1 (USMC) · M5A1 · M5A1 TD · ▃Stuart VI (5th CAD) |
| M22 Locust | M22 |
| M24 Chaffee | M24 · M24 (TL) |
| M18 Hellcat | M18 GMC · M18 "Black Cat" · Super Hellcat |
| M41 Walker Bulldog | M41A1 |
| M551 Sheridan | M551 · M551(76) |
| M3 Bradley | M3 Bradley · M3A3 Bradley |
| Wheeled | M8 LAC · T18E2 · M1128 · M1128 Wolfpack |
| Other | M8A1 GMC · T92 · T114 · HSTV-L · CCVL · XM8 · XM800T · AGS |
| USA premium ground vehicles | |
|---|---|
| Light tanks | LVT(A)(4) · M2A4 (1st Arm.Div.) · M3A1 (USMC) · ▃Stuart VI (5th CAD) · M8 LAC · M8A1 GMC |
| M18 "Black Cat" · Super Hellcat · T18E2 · M551(76) · T114 · M1128 Wolfpack | |
| Medium tanks | ▃Grant I · M4A5 · Calliope · T20 · M26 T99 · M26E1 · M46 "Tiger" · T54E1 · T54E2 · ▃Magach 3 (ERA) · M728 CEV |
| XM1 (GM) · XM1 (Chrysler) · M1 KVT · M1A1 Click-Bait | |
| Heavy tanks | T14 · Cobra King · M6A2E1 · T29 · T30 |
| Tank destroyers | T28 · T55E1 |
