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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
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<!--''In the description, the first part needs to be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert screenshot of the vehicle. If the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle it is talking about.''-->
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<!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was the successor of the Macchi C.200, developed by Italian engineer Mario Castoldi, the aircraft proved to be very effective against its contemporaries after its introduction in 1941. The aircraft was mainly used in the North Africa campaign, and stayed there until 1943 until Italian Forces where started to be diverted to Sicily to hold against the Allied Invasion. The aircraft was also deployed on limited numbers against the Soviet Union. The aircraft was succeeded by the Macchi C.205 and a total of 1150 where manufactured.
  
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It was introduced in [[Update 1.69 "Regia Aeronautica"]], though a variant existed in the [[C. 202 (Germany)|German tech tree]] prior to the update.The {{PAGENAME}} ''"Folgore"'' (''Lightning'') is an Italian fighter which is dedicated for air superiority and air to air combats due to its lack of ground ordinance. This aircraft features a solid combination of good speed, very good rate of climb and good roll speed. One of its downsides however is the low damage output, since it lacks cannons, it relies on 12.7 and 7.7mm guns that, while enough for fighters even tho they require long bursts to take down, are not good at all against bombers. Overall this aircraft is a dogfighter that relies on its performance rather than on its armament to defeat its enemies
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a Rank {{Specs|rank}} Italian fighter {{Battle-rating|1}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.69 "Regia Aeronautica"]], though a variant existed in the [[C.202_(Germany)|German tech tree]] prior to the update.
 
  
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The {{PAGENAME}} is an Italian fighter which is best suited to attack other fighters and unsuited to be used as a fighter bomber due not being able to carry bombs or rockets.
 
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The advantages of the {{PAGENAME}} are the combination of good speed, very good rate of climb and rate of roll. Furthermore it is fairly sturdy, being able take a few hits and get back to base without much problems. The {{PAGENAME}} is a fairly speedy turner, preferring to turn at speeds, However flat out turning is a bad idea at low speeds, unless you abuse the rate of roll to get into an advantageous position.
 
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A major issue the {{PAGENAME}} has is that its damage output is low: It needs extended bursts of fire to deal decent amounts of damage. Furthermore, the Breda SAFAT's damage potential drops off when its fired at ranges above 300 meters. The poor armament also makes it less than optimal at engaging bombers and heavy fighters. The consensus by the community is that the best belts are Anti-Air, Tracer or Stealth for the 12.7 mm's and Stealth and Universal for the 7.7's. these seem to do the most damage.
 
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While this is crippling at times, it is something to keep in mind.
 
 
[[File:FighterImage_C202.jpg|thumbnail|right|''Over the deserts of Africa'']]
 
[[File:FighterImage_C202.jpg|thumbnail|right|''Over the deserts of Africa'']]
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
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=== Flight Performance ===
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=== Flight performance ===
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In essence very similar to the [[Bf 109 F-4]]: Great climb rate and acceleration and with good top speed and turn rate. Dive performance is great, yet the control surfaces lock up hard above 600 km/h IAS. So leave plenty of space to pull out of a dive, it reaches said speeds rather quickly! Even so the locked controls prevent G-force failure of wings. A blessing in disguise for many new inexperienced RB/SB pilots. Energy retention in Zooms is good, too. This however, is mostly due to the aforementioned climb rate which is engine enabled. A damaged engine guts and severely hinders most flight characteristics.
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! colspan="8" | Characteristics
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Like its German brother at heart, the Folgore also features several downsides: the engine torque is significant and will roll the aircraft to the side when performing any kind of manoeuvre. Note the slightly longer left wing to at least neuter this effect in level flight, unlike the Bf 109 pilots who will have to permanently trim their ailerons on the runway. Further aiming and aligning yourself to the target can thusly be rather difficult, as the craft will twitch and shift significantly. As usual lead in deflection shots are the easiest approach. The control lock up was already mentioned and must always be considered.
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! colspan="8" | ''Stock''
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! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 6,000 m)
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! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
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! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(meters)
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! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 5,000 m)
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! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(metres)
 
! colspan="2" | Turn time<br>(seconds)
 
! colspan="2" | Turn time<br>(seconds)
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! colspan="2" | Rate of climb<br>(meters/second)
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! colspan="2" | Rate of climb<br>(metres/second)
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! rowspan="2" |Take-off run<br>(meters)
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! rowspan="2" | Take-off run<br>(metres)
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! AB
 
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! RB
 
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! AB
 
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! RB
 
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! AB
 
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! RB
 
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| 573 || 559 || 11,500 || 22.8 || 23.1 || 20.5 || 22.4 || 368
 
 
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! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
 
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! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 6,000 m)
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! Stock
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! rowspan="2" |Max altitude (meters)
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| 579 || 561 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 20.0 || 20.7 || 12.7 || 12.7 || rowspan="2" | 368
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! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
 
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! colspan="2" | Rate of climb<br>(meters/second)
 
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! rowspan="2" |Take-off run (meters)
 
 
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! AB
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! Upgraded
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! RB
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| 627 || 602 || 18.0 || 19.0 || 19.7 || 15.8
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! AB
 
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! RB
 
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! AB
 
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! RB
 
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| 628 || 600 || 11,500 || 20.1 || 21.4 || 32.8 || 25.6 || 368
 
 
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====Details====
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==== Details ====
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! Combat flap
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! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear
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! Take-off flap
 
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! Landing flap
 
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! Air brakes
 
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! Arrestor gear
 
 
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| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X    <!-- ✓ -->
 
| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X    <!-- ✓ -->
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! rowspan="2" | Wing-break speed<br>(km/h)
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! rowspan="2" | Gear limit<br>(km/h)
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! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
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! rowspan="2" | Combat flap<br> (km/h)
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! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
 
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
 
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
 
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! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
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| 845 <!-- {{Specs|destruction|body}} --> || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 535 || 450 || 260 || ~15 || ~6
 
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! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities
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! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
 
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! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
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! Rudder<br>(km/h)
 
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! Elevators<br>(km/h)
 
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! Radiator<br>(km/h)
 
 
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| < 400 || < 270 || < 550 || > 350
 
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[[File:C202_attacking_001.jpg|400px|thumb|right|A '''{{PAGENAME}}''' diving on an enemy bomber.]]
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! colspan="3" | Compressor (RB/SB)
 
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! Optimal altitude
 
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! 100% Engine power
 
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! WEP Engine power
 
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! Optimal altitude
 
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! WEP Engine power
 
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=== Survivability and armour ===
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
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{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}
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Quite vulnerable to all weapons fire. The engine and water coolers lack any protection and are often the first to go under fire. The pilot is not much better. While the windscreen is quite thick it is also very small and the 8 mm of steel will only stop a sneeze. Any calibre past 7 mm will kiss your pilot's cheek.
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Ace Tip #1 applies: ''Don't get shot at!''
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* 8 mm Steel - Armoured headrest
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* 50 mm Bulletproof glass - Armoured windscreen
  
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* 8 mm Steel - Armored headrest
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=== Modifications and economy ===
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* 50 mm Bulletproof glass - Armored windscreen
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{{Specs-Economy}}
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The Folgore's focus on energy fighting should be reflected in the desired grind strategy. Compressor & Engine are the top priority, boosting the acceleration and climb to the maximum needed for most situations. The next upgrades are free to choose for you. New belts are always nice, but the default ones are decent.
  
 
== Armaments ==
 
== Armaments ==
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{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
 
=== Offensive armament ===
 
=== Offensive armament ===
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{{main|Breda-SAFAT da 12.7 mm (12.7 mm)|Breda-SAFAT da 7.7 mm (7.7 mm)}}
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{{main|Breda-SAFAT (12.7 mm)|Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)}}
  
 
The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:
 
The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:
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* 2 x 7.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine guns, wing-mounted (500 rpg = 1,000 total)
 
* 2 x 7.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine guns, wing-mounted (500 rpg = 1,000 total)
  
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It is unfortunate that such a fast fighter is paired up with relatively weak armament of the 12.7 and 7.7 mm machine guns, however, all is not lost with this setup. Since the setup locates the two 12.7 mm machine guns in the nose and a single 7.7 mm machine gun in each wing, convergence is a must to be considered to make the shots count when the fighter engages. The punch of the machine gun ammunition starts to significantly drop beyond 400 m, therefore setting convergence between 150 and 300 m should help to concentrate all the ammunition into one area resulting maximum damage possible. The pilot must remember though, with convergence set this close, he will need to manoeuvre his fighter in close before opening up and then it is important to concentrate on critical components as just shooting into the fuselage will not do a whole lot of damage. Trying to shoot any aircraft down outside of the 400 m range may result in a "lucky" shot, but those will be few and far between.
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;''Main article:&nbsp;'''[[:Category:Suspended armaments|Bombs]]'''''
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== Usage in battles ==
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The most important things the {{PAGENAME}} needs are speed and altitude. It is generally a good idea to climb to at least 4-5,000 meters before levelling out and gaining speed. From there on, it's Boom & Zoom, working your way from top to bottom. Priority should be given to [[P-39N-0|P-39 Airacobra's]], [[F6F-5|Hellcats]] and [[Spitfire (Family)|Spitfires]], as these are difficult opponents if they are allowed to engage on their terms. The Hellcat is a considerable problem for the {{PAGENAME}}, due to the fact it is considerably faster and climbs fairly well. The best way of dealing with them is to fight them at speeds above 400 km/h, where the Hellcat begins to stiffen up, but you retain your very good roll rate, which you can use to spoil his gun solution by constantly changing direction.
  
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While diving on your chosen target, be mindful of your speed. The {{PAGENAME}}'s rate of roll becomes considerably worse when you hit 600 km/h. However, the elevator remains functional up until around 700 km/h, and the rip speed is passed at 800 km/h. When trying to lead an enemy plane that is making a hard break turn, try to avoid making high G turns or turns that burn a lot of speed, as this rapidly bleeds speed, forcing you to engage in a dogfight where your mediocre low-speed manoeuvrability can offer an advantage to the enemy. While dogfighting is very much possible against some planes, it is advisable to run by going into a shallow dive. Climbing is a possible alternate strategy, the rate of climb is one of the best at its BR, meaning that if you have a small speed advantage you can get some separation and climb away.
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== Usage in the battles ==
 
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The first most important thing the {{PAGENAME}} needs is Speed, and Altitude. Its generally a good Idea to climb to at least 4-5,000 meters before leveling out and gaining speed. From there on, its Boom & Zoom, working your way from Top to bottom. Priority should be given to [[P-39N-0|P-39 Airacobra's]], [[F6F-5|Hellcats]] and Spitfires, as these are difficult opponents if they are allowed to engage on their terms. The Hellcat is a considerable problem for the {{PAGENAME}}, due to the fact it is considerably faster and climbs fairly well. The best way of dealing with them is to fight them at speeds above 400 kph, where the Hellcat begins to stiffen up, but you retain your very good roll rate, which you can use to spoil his gun solution by constantly changing direction.  
 
  
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While diving on your chosen target, be mindful of your speed, the {{PAGENAME}}'s rate of roll, becomes considerably worse when you hit 600 kph. However, the elevator remains functional up until around 700kph, and the rip speed being past 800kph. When trying to lead an enemy plane that is making a hard break turn, try to prevent making high G turns or turns that burn a lot of speed, as this rapidly bleeds speed, forcing you to engage in a dogfight where your mediocre low speed maneuverability can offer an advantage to the enemy. While dogfighting is very much possible against some planes, it is advisable to run by going into a shallow dive. Climbing is a possible alternate strategy, the rate of climb is one of the best at its BR, meaning that if you have a small speed advantage you can get some separation and climb away.
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[[File:C202_and_LeO_bomber_001.jpg|400px|thumb|right|A '''{{PAGENAME}}''' diving on an enemy [[LeO 451 early|LeO 451]] bomber.]]
  
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The weak guns make the {{PAGENAME}} unsuited to effectively engage bombers, especially well defended ones such as the [[B-25J-1|B-25]] and the [[A-20G-25|A-20]]. Its better to join up with your teammates and then try to attack them together if possible. Aim for the engines and wings, engaging them through Boom-and-Zoom tactics. The {{PAGENAME}} is unable to carry bombs, rendering it unable to be used in ground attack.
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The weak guns make the {{PAGENAME}} unsuited to effectively engaging bombers, especially well-defended ones such as the [[B-25J-1|B-25]] and the [[A-20G-25|A-20]]. It is better to join up with your teammates and then try to attack them together if possible. Aim for the engines and wings, engaging them through Boom-and-Zoom tactics. The {{PAGENAME}} is unable to carry bombs, rendering it unable to be used in ground attack.
  
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''Tracers'', ''Anti-air'' or ''Stealth'' belts are recommended as they deal the most damage, with a good mix of incendiary and shrapnel. The Breda-SAFAT's shell velocity is low and suffer above 400 meters range, so only fire at or below that range for best effects. Furthermore, the armament is inadequate to deal with bombers. It is best to avoid them entirely, or focus on taking out the engines. Only exception are the very early biplane bombers, such as [[Swordfish_Mk_I|Swordfish]], [[Po-2]] and the likes.
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''Tracers'', ''Anti-air'' or ''Stealth'' belts are recommended as they deal the most damage, with a good mix of incendiary and shrapnel. The Breda-SAFAT's shell velocity is low and suffers above 400 meters range, so only fire at or below that range for best effects. Furthermore, the armament is inadequate to deal with bombers. It is best to avoid them entirely or focus on taking out the engines. The only exceptions are the very early biplane bombers, such as [[Swordfish_Mk_I|Swordfish]], [[Po-2]] and the likes.
  
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===Manual Engine Control===
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=== Manual Engine Control ===
 
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| Fuselage Repair
 
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| Radiator
 
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| Offensive 7 mm
 
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| II
 
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| Airframe
 
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| New 7 mm MGs
 
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| III
 
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| Engine
 
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| Offensive 12 mm
 
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* The Folgores focus on energy fight should be reflected in the desired grind strategy. Compressor & Engine are the top priority. Boosting the acceleration and climb to the maximum needed for most situations. The next upgrades are free to choose for you. New belts are always nice, but the default ones are decent. Engine throttle as of now has no impact on performance.
 
  
 
=== Pros and cons ===
 
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[[File:C202_and_Bf_109_001.jpg|400px|thumb|right|A '''{{PAGENAME}}''' tailed by an enemy [[Bf 109 (Family)|Bf 109]].]]
  
 
'''Pros:'''
 
'''Pros:'''
  
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* One of the fastest fighters at its {{Battle-rating|1}}, rip speed is above 800kph,
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* One of the fastest fighters compared to comparable fighters, rip speed is above 800 km/h
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* Good roll rate under 600 kph.
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* Good roll rate under 600 km/h
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* One of the best rates of climb at its BR.
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* One of the best rates of climb compared to its contemporaries
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* Decent performance on all altitudes.
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* Decent performance on all altitudes
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* Decent cockpit visibility, especially to the rear.
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* Decent cockpit visibility, especially to the rear
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* Decent energy retention in horizontal turns.
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* Decent energy retention in horizontal turns
  
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'''Cons:'''
  
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* Larger turn radius than the [[C.200 serie 3|C.200]], the C.202 is not as agile as its predecessor
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* Larger turn radius than the [[C.200 serie 3|C.200]], the C. 202 is not as agile as its predecessor
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* Firepower leaves things to be desired.
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* Dual 12.7s are inadequate compared to 20mm cannons or great amounts of 12.7s which are found on fighters from other nations
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* Thick canopy framing can make spotting hard from cockpit view.
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* Thick canopy framing can make spotting hard from the cockpit view
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* Armament is weak, may take many passes to kill heavy fighters and bombers if you have bad aim.
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* Armament has poor ballistics thus requiring the pilot to close in on enemy aircraft
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* Extreme instability when using rudder turns and at low speeds in SB due to asymmetrical wings.
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* Extreme instability when using rudder turns and at low speeds in SB due to asymmetrical wings
  
 
== History ==
 
== History ==
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The famed Italian ace Maggiore Adriano Visconti flew the Folgore, including the predecessor Macchi C.200 Saetta and the successor Macchi C.205 Veltro.
 
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In late 1941 the newer and deadlier Macchi MC.202 Folgore (Thunderbolt) began to equip units of 7° Gruppo, and in early 1942 Visconti began flying the sleek, new fighter on photo reconnaissance sorties over Malta. Throughout these early years of the war, a near constant trickle of supplies was required to keep the strategically vital island of Malta alive and in allied hands: mid-June 1942 saw two of these convoys simultaneously attempt to resupply the island from different directions. Operation Harpoon – a convoy from Gibraltar – was coordinated with Operation Vigorous from Alexandria. Both convoys were opposed by axis forces and on June 15th, in the air battle above Operation Harpoon which would become known as the Battle of Pantelleria, Visconti shot down a Bristol Blenheim. On August 13th, whilst on a two aircraft reconnaissance sortie, Visconti and his wingman were jumped by four RAF Spitfires. Visconti engaged and shot down two Spitfires, allowing the second M.C.202 to complete the sortie. He was awarded another Medaglie d’Argento for his skill and courage.
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In late 1941 the newer and deadlier Macchi M.C.202 Folgore (Thunderbolt) began to equip units of 7° Gruppo, and in early 1942 Visconti began flying the sleek, new fighter on photo reconnaissance sorties over Malta. Throughout these early years of the war, a near constant trickle of supplies was required to keep the strategically vital island of Malta alive and in allied hands: mid-June 1942 saw two of these convoys simultaneously attempt to resupply the island from different directions. Operation Harpoon – a convoy from Gibraltar – was coordinated with Operation Vigorous from Alexandria. Both convoys were opposed by axis forces and on June 15th, in the air battle above Operation Harpoon which would become known as the Battle of Pantelleria, Visconti shot down a Bristol Blenheim. On August 13th, whilst on a two aircraft reconnaissance sortie, Visconti and his wingman were jumped by four RAF Spitfires. Visconti engaged and shot down two Spitfires, allowing the second M.C.202 to complete the sortie. He was awarded another Medaglie d'Argento for his skill and courage.
  
 
Visconti served in Greece before being promoted to Capitano and taking command of 76a Squadriglia as 54° Stormo was deployed in Tunisia in March 1943. In the brief weeks of fighting which led up to the axis surrender in May, Visconti was credited with two Spitfires and a P-40, as well as several other probable victories. Sharing a cramped cockpit with a fellow pilot, Visconti escaped the allied advance by flying to Sicily. Given his wealth of experience carrying out high speed, daylight reconnaissance flights over Malta, Visconti was given command of 310a Squadriglia Caccia Aerofotografica, a newly formed reconnaissance squadron equipped with modified Macchi C.205 Veltros (Greyhounds) which were based east of Rome.<ref name="Visconti WT forum Ace of the Month">An excerpt from [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/291927-profile-ace-of-the-month-january-maggiore-adriano-visconti/ Ace of the Month - January - Maggiore Adriano Visconti], written by Mark Barber, War Thunder Historical Consultant alias Wafu Vasco.</ref>
 
Visconti served in Greece before being promoted to Capitano and taking command of 76a Squadriglia as 54° Stormo was deployed in Tunisia in March 1943. In the brief weeks of fighting which led up to the axis surrender in May, Visconti was credited with two Spitfires and a P-40, as well as several other probable victories. Sharing a cramped cockpit with a fellow pilot, Visconti escaped the allied advance by flying to Sicily. Given his wealth of experience carrying out high speed, daylight reconnaissance flights over Malta, Visconti was given command of 310a Squadriglia Caccia Aerofotografica, a newly formed reconnaissance squadron equipped with modified Macchi C.205 Veltros (Greyhounds) which were based east of Rome.<ref name="Visconti WT forum Ace of the Month">An excerpt from [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/291927-profile-ace-of-the-month-january-maggiore-adriano-visconti/ Ace of the Month - January - Maggiore Adriano Visconti], written by Mark Barber, War Thunder Historical Consultant alias Wafu Vasco.</ref>
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Revision as of 04:47, 30 September 2024

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This page is about the Italian fighter C. 202. For other versions, see C. 202 (Family).
C. 202
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GarageImage C. 202.jpg
C. 202
Italy flag.png Italy
II Rank
Battle rating:
AB RB SB
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Class:
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Description

The C. 202 Folgore was the successor of the Macchi C.200, developed by Italian engineer Mario Castoldi, the aircraft proved to be very effective against its contemporaries after its introduction in 1941. The aircraft was mainly used in the North Africa campaign, and stayed there until 1943 until Italian Forces where started to be diverted to Sicily to hold against the Allied Invasion. The aircraft was also deployed on limited numbers against the Soviet Union. The aircraft was succeeded by the Macchi C.205 and a total of 1150 where manufactured.

It was introduced in Update 1.69 "Regia Aeronautica", though a variant existed in the German tech tree prior to the update.The C. 202 "Folgore" (Lightning) is an Italian fighter which is dedicated for air superiority and air to air combats due to its lack of ground ordinance. This aircraft features a solid combination of good speed, very good rate of climb and good roll speed. One of its downsides however is the low damage output, since it lacks cannons, it relies on 12.7 and 7.7mm guns that, while enough for fighters even tho they require long bursts to take down, are not good at all against bombers. Overall this aircraft is a dogfighter that relies on its performance rather than on its armament to defeat its enemies

Over the deserts of Africa

General info

Flight performance

Max speed
at 5 000 m602 km/h
Turn time19 s
Max altitude10 200 m
EngineAlfa Romeo R.A.1000 RC.41
TypeInline
Cooling systemWater
Take-off weight3 t

In essence very similar to the Bf 109 F-4: Great climb rate and acceleration and with good top speed and turn rate. Dive performance is great, yet the control surfaces lock up hard above 600 km/h IAS. So leave plenty of space to pull out of a dive, it reaches said speeds rather quickly! Even so the locked controls prevent G-force failure of wings. A blessing in disguise for many new inexperienced RB/SB pilots. Energy retention in Zooms is good, too. This however, is mostly due to the aforementioned climb rate which is engine enabled. A damaged engine guts and severely hinders most flight characteristics.

Like its German brother at heart, the Folgore also features several downsides: the engine torque is significant and will roll the aircraft to the side when performing any kind of manoeuvre. Note the slightly longer left wing to at least neuter this effect in level flight, unlike the Bf 109 pilots who will have to permanently trim their ailerons on the runway. Further aiming and aligning yourself to the target can thusly be rather difficult, as the craft will twitch and shift significantly. As usual lead in deflection shots are the easiest approach. The control lock up was already mentioned and must always be considered.

Characteristics Max Speed
(km/h at 5,000 m) 		Max altitude
(metres) 		Turn time
(seconds) 		Rate of climb
(metres/second) 		Take-off run
(metres)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
Stock 579 561 10200 20.0 20.7 12.7 12.7 368
Upgraded 627 602 18.0 19.0 19.7 15.8

Details

Features
Combat flaps Take-off flaps Landing flaps Air brakes Arrestor gear
✓ ✓ ✓ X X
Limits
Wings (km/h) Gear (km/h) Flaps (km/h) Max Static G
Combat Take-off Landing + -
845 300 535 450 260 ~15 ~6
Optimal velocities (km/h)
Ailerons Rudder Elevators Radiator
< 400 < 270 < 550 > 350
A C. 202 diving on an enemy bomber.

Survivability and armour

Crew1 person
Speed of destruction
Structural0 km/h
Gear300 km/h

Quite vulnerable to all weapons fire. The engine and water coolers lack any protection and are often the first to go under fire. The pilot is not much better. While the windscreen is quite thick it is also very small and the 8 mm of steel will only stop a sneeze. Any calibre past 7 mm will kiss your pilot's cheek.

Ace Tip #1 applies: Don't get shot at!

  • 8 mm Steel - Armoured headrest
  • 50 mm Bulletproof glass - Armoured windscreen

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference
AB461 → 626 Sl icon.png
RB967 → 1 315 Sl icon.png
SB1 240 → 1 686 Sl icon.png
Total cost of modifications8 390 Rp icon.png
9 470 Sl icon.png
Talisman cost640 Ge icon.png
Crew training4 500 Sl icon.png
Experts16 000 Sl icon.png
Aces180 Ge icon.png
Research Aces190 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
30 / 70 / 150 % Sl icon.png
118 / 118 / 118 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Flight performance Survivability Weaponry
Mods aerodinamic fuse.png
Fuselage repair
Research:
560 Rp icon.png
Cost:
630 Sl icon.png
90 Ge icon.png
Mods radiator.png
Radiator
Research:
560 Rp icon.png
Cost:
630 Sl icon.png
90 Ge icon.png
Mods armor frame.png
Airframe
Research:
630 Rp icon.png
Cost:
710 Sl icon.png
105 Ge icon.png
Mods compressor.png
Compressor
Research:
630 Rp icon.png
Cost:
710 Sl icon.png
105 Ge icon.png
Mods aerodinamic wing.png
Wings repair
Research:
700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
790 Sl icon.png
115 Ge icon.png
Mods new engine.png
Engine
Research:
700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
790 Sl icon.png
115 Ge icon.png
Mods armor cover.png
Cover
Research:
680 Rp icon.png
Cost:
770 Sl icon.png
110 Ge icon.png
Mods metanol.png
Engine injection
Research:
680 Rp icon.png
Cost:
770 Sl icon.png
110 Ge icon.png
Mods engine extinguisher.png
EFS
Research:
680 Rp icon.png
Cost:
770 Sl icon.png
110 Ge icon.png
Mods ammo.png
safat7_belt_pack
Research:
560 Rp icon.png
Cost:
630 Sl icon.png
90 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods weapon.png
safat7_new_gun
Research:
630 Rp icon.png
Cost:
710 Sl icon.png
105 Ge icon.png
Mods ammo.png
safat12_belt_pack
Research:
700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
790 Sl icon.png
115 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods weapon.png
safat12_new_gun
Research:
680 Rp icon.png
Cost:
770 Sl icon.png
110 Ge icon.png

The Folgore's focus on energy fighting should be reflected in the desired grind strategy. Compressor & Engine are the top priority, boosting the acceleration and climb to the maximum needed for most situations. The next upgrades are free to choose for you. New belts are always nice, but the default ones are decent.

Armaments

Offensive armament

Weapon 12 x 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine gun
Ammunition800 rounds
Fire rate700 shots/min
Weapon 22 x 7.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine gun
Ammunition1 000 rounds
Fire rate900 shots/min
Main articles: Breda-SAFAT (12.7 mm), Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)

The C. 202 is armed with:

  • 2 x 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine guns, nose-mounted (400 rpg = 800 total)
  • 2 x 7.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine guns, wing-mounted (500 rpg = 1,000 total)

It is unfortunate that such a fast fighter is paired up with relatively weak armament of the 12.7 and 7.7 mm machine guns, however, all is not lost with this setup. Since the setup locates the two 12.7 mm machine guns in the nose and a single 7.7 mm machine gun in each wing, convergence is a must to be considered to make the shots count when the fighter engages. The punch of the machine gun ammunition starts to significantly drop beyond 400 m, therefore setting convergence between 150 and 300 m should help to concentrate all the ammunition into one area resulting maximum damage possible. The pilot must remember though, with convergence set this close, he will need to manoeuvre his fighter in close before opening up and then it is important to concentrate on critical components as just shooting into the fuselage will not do a whole lot of damage. Trying to shoot any aircraft down outside of the 400 m range may result in a "lucky" shot, but those will be few and far between.

Usage in battles

The most important things the C. 202 needs are speed and altitude. It is generally a good idea to climb to at least 4-5,000 meters before levelling out and gaining speed. From there on, it's Boom & Zoom, working your way from top to bottom. Priority should be given to P-39 Airacobra's, Hellcats and Spitfires, as these are difficult opponents if they are allowed to engage on their terms. The Hellcat is a considerable problem for the C. 202, due to the fact it is considerably faster and climbs fairly well. The best way of dealing with them is to fight them at speeds above 400 km/h, where the Hellcat begins to stiffen up, but you retain your very good roll rate, which you can use to spoil his gun solution by constantly changing direction.

While diving on your chosen target, be mindful of your speed. The C. 202's rate of roll becomes considerably worse when you hit 600 km/h. However, the elevator remains functional up until around 700 km/h, and the rip speed is passed at 800 km/h. When trying to lead an enemy plane that is making a hard break turn, try to avoid making high G turns or turns that burn a lot of speed, as this rapidly bleeds speed, forcing you to engage in a dogfight where your mediocre low-speed manoeuvrability can offer an advantage to the enemy. While dogfighting is very much possible against some planes, it is advisable to run by going into a shallow dive. Climbing is a possible alternate strategy, the rate of climb is one of the best at its BR, meaning that if you have a small speed advantage you can get some separation and climb away.

A C. 202 diving on an enemy LeO 451 bomber.

The weak guns make the C. 202 unsuited to effectively engaging bombers, especially well-defended ones such as the B-25 and the A-20. It is better to join up with your teammates and then try to attack them together if possible. Aim for the engines and wings, engaging them through Boom-and-Zoom tactics. The C. 202 is unable to carry bombs, rendering it unable to be used in ground attack.

Tracers, Anti-air or Stealth belts are recommended as they deal the most damage, with a good mix of incendiary and shrapnel. The Breda-SAFAT's shell velocity is low and suffers above 400 meters range, so only fire at or below that range for best effects. Furthermore, the armament is inadequate to deal with bombers. It is best to avoid them entirely or focus on taking out the engines. The only exceptions are the very early biplane bombers, such as Swordfish, Po-2 and the likes.

Manual Engine Control

MEC elements
Mixer Pitch Radiator Supercharger Turbocharger
Oil Water Type
Not controllable Controllable
Not auto controlled 		Controllable
Not auto controlled 		Controllable
Not auto controlled 		Separate Not controllable
1 gear 		Not controllable

Pros and cons

A C. 202 tailed by an enemy Bf 109.

Pros:

  • One of the fastest fighters compared to comparable fighters, rip speed is above 800 km/h
  • Good roll rate under 600 km/h
  • One of the best rates of climb compared to its contemporaries
  • Decent performance on all altitudes
  • Decent cockpit visibility, especially to the rear
  • Decent energy retention in horizontal turns

Cons:

  • Larger turn radius than the C.200, the C. 202 is not as agile as its predecessor
  • Dual 12.7s are inadequate compared to 20mm cannons or great amounts of 12.7s which are found on fighters from other nations
  • Thick canopy framing can make spotting hard from the cockpit view
  • Armament has poor ballistics thus requiring the pilot to close in on enemy aircraft
  • Extreme instability when using rudder turns and at low speeds in SB due to asymmetrical wings

History

Folgore in an olive grove

The famed Italian ace Maggiore Adriano Visconti flew the Folgore, including the predecessor Macchi C.200 Saetta and the successor Macchi C.205 Veltro.

In late 1941 the newer and deadlier Macchi M.C.202 Folgore (Thunderbolt) began to equip units of 7° Gruppo, and in early 1942 Visconti began flying the sleek, new fighter on photo reconnaissance sorties over Malta. Throughout these early years of the war, a near constant trickle of supplies was required to keep the strategically vital island of Malta alive and in allied hands: mid-June 1942 saw two of these convoys simultaneously attempt to resupply the island from different directions. Operation Harpoon – a convoy from Gibraltar – was coordinated with Operation Vigorous from Alexandria. Both convoys were opposed by axis forces and on June 15th, in the air battle above Operation Harpoon which would become known as the Battle of Pantelleria, Visconti shot down a Bristol Blenheim. On August 13th, whilst on a two aircraft reconnaissance sortie, Visconti and his wingman were jumped by four RAF Spitfires. Visconti engaged and shot down two Spitfires, allowing the second M.C.202 to complete the sortie. He was awarded another Medaglie d'Argento for his skill and courage.

Visconti served in Greece before being promoted to Capitano and taking command of 76a Squadriglia as 54° Stormo was deployed in Tunisia in March 1943. In the brief weeks of fighting which led up to the axis surrender in May, Visconti was credited with two Spitfires and a P-40, as well as several other probable victories. Sharing a cramped cockpit with a fellow pilot, Visconti escaped the allied advance by flying to Sicily. Given his wealth of experience carrying out high speed, daylight reconnaissance flights over Malta, Visconti was given command of 310a Squadriglia Caccia Aerofotografica, a newly formed reconnaissance squadron equipped with modified Macchi C.205 Veltros (Greyhounds) which were based east of Rome.[1]

Visconti remains a controversial figure due to his political alignment with Mussolini's Italian Social Republic.

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References

  1. ↑ An excerpt from Ace of the Month - January - Maggiore Adriano Visconti, written by Mark Barber, War Thunder Historical Consultant alias Wafu Vasco.


Macchi Aeronautics (Macchi Aeronautica)
Fighters  C. 200 serie 3 · C. 200 serie 7
  C. 202 · C. 202D · C. 202EC
  C. 205 serie 1 · C. 205 serie 3 · C. 205N2
Captured  ▀C. 200 serie 3 · ▀C. 200 serie 7 · ▀C. 202

Italy fighters
Fiat  CR.32 · CR.32 bis · CR.32 quater · CR.42 · Marcolin's C.R.42 CN
  G.50 serie 2 · G.50 AS serie 7
  G.55 sottoserie 0 · G.55 serie 1 · G.55S · G.56
Reggiane  Re.2000 G.A. · Re.2000 serie 1
  Re.2001 serie 1 · Re.2001 gruppo 22 · Re.2001 CB · Re.2001 CN
  Re.2002 Early
  Re.2005 serie 0
Macchi  C. 200 serie 3 · C. 200 serie 7
  C. 202 · C. 202D · C. 202EC
  C. 205 serie 1 · C. 205 serie 3 · C. 205N2
IMAM  Ro.44
  Foreign:
Germany  ▄Bf 109 G-14/AS
USA  ▄P-47D-30
Britain  ▄Spitfire Mk Vb/trop
Hungary  ◐Bf 109 F-4 · ◐Bf 109 G-2 · ◔Yak-9P
Romania  He 112 B-1/U2 · IAR-81C

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