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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Italian fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.69 "Regia Aeronautica"]] along with the initial Italian aviation tree.
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a Rank {{Specs|rank}} Italian fighter) {{Battle-rating|5}}.
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The C. 205 serie 3 is a refinement of the C. 205 serie 1, which was a development of the C. 202. The serie 3 addresses the main issue of the serie 1, which is its highly underwhelming firepower. The wings now each hold a 20 mm MG151/20 cannon which accompany what used to be the primary armament, 2 x 12.7 mm machine guns mounted above the engine cowling. The extra weight on the Daimler-Benz 605 engine marginally reduces flight performance and its faces more formidable foes due to its higher battle rating, but the serie 3 remains competitive with its peers as a versatile fighter comfortable with boom-and-zoom, energy fighting, and turning engagements as the situation requires. Anyone caught on the receiving end of its twin cannons will seriously rethink their choices as their plane is ripped to shreds.
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== General info ==
 
== General info ==
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=== Flight Performance ===
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=== Flight performance ===
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The aircraft has a very good roll rate and generally good acceleration both in level flight and when diving. Overall handling is good and energy retention in level flight and in the vertical is very good. Control lock up starts with the rudder past 500 - 550 km/h with the test of the control surfaces steadily locking up past 600 - 650 km/h. Players should make sure to leave enough altitude to pull out of a steep dive. The control lockup prevents the wings from tearing due to excessive G-force. The engine maintains a lot of power even past 5,000 metres and takes a while to overheat.
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For full real control pilots, the left wing is slightly longer than the right to counter the torque of the engine. This can cause the aircraft to roll to the side even when making a slight change in pitch.
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| 648 || 630 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 20.1 || 20.8 || 15.5 || 15.5 || rowspan="2" | 250
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| 699 || 672 || 18.0 || 19.0 || 23.5 || 19.0
 
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==== Details ====
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=== Survivability and armour ===
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* 8 mm Steel - Behind pilot
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* Decent build quality, can take some punishment
  
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* No armour glazing
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* Critical components located at front of aircraft (fuel, pilot, engine, controls)
 
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* More fuel tanks located in wings near fuselage
 
  
 
== Armaments ==
 
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The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:
 
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* 4 x 7.5 mm [[MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)|MAC 1934]] machine guns (300 rpg = 1,200 total)
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* 2 x 20 mm MG 151 cannons, wing-mounted (250 rpg = 500 total)
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* 2 x 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine guns, nose-mounted (400 rpg = 800 total)
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== Usage in the battles ==
 
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== Usage in battles ==
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The C. 205 Serie 3 is not just a mere upgrade from [[C. 205 serie 1]], now it features a pair of 20 mm MG 151 cannons which mean that executing Boom-and-Zoom and bomber intercepting is now very possible with greater chance of success. The flight performance still remains competitive for its BR thanks to the powerful DB-605A engine.
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Remember, altitude equals advantage. Keep climbing at 20 degrees. Once you've reached 4,000 m, lower the climbing angle to 15 degree to increase speed. Make sure to watch your speed as you climb, you might not want to risk yourself being hit or destroyed by enemy fighter who has a speed advantage over you. The engine will still perform well up to 8,000 m. Use this opportunity to scour for enemy planes, or dive down toward bombers and enemy fighters. If you spot the enemy at your altitude, stop climbing or climb a little to regain your speed. The DB-605A engine provides exceptional speed at higher altitude, which is helpful for 1-on-1 engagements.
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If you're getting tailed by enemy fighters, do an Immelmann turn, and scissor to drain enemy fighters' energy. Once your enemy has lost its energy to pursue and begun to stall, use your flaps when pitching up to your enemy, and you can proceed to shoot it down when the time is right. Roll rate in C. 205 serie 3 is also good at both medium and high speed, use this to make your enemy overshoot you and run out of their ammo. C. 205 also has exceptional manoeuvrability in higher speeds even carrying a pair of 20 mm MG 151, but don't expect to outturn Spitfires and Yaks as you'll bleed your energy and become an easy target. The combat flaps are strong, as long as you can keep your speed at 600 km/h while dogfighting.
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While the 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT still remain on this aircraft, the most prominent feature of the C. 205 serie 3 is an additional pair of 20 mm MG 151 on the wings, replacing the 7.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine guns. Here, with a total of 500 rounds for the 20 mm, you should be able to destroy a fighter with a single burst or a bomber with good shot placement at their wings or fuselage once equipped with the Air targets belt which consists mostly of deadly Minengeschoss shells. While the 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT loses its effective firepower beyond 300-400 m, you can load them with the Tracers belt which is helpful to ignite plane component, although not as easily as the American [[M2 Browning (12.7 mm)|M2 Browning]] does. You can set gun targeting distance at 400 m, which is best for intense dogfighting, or pursuing your enemy.
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=== Manual Engine Control ===
 
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* Good for boom-and-zoom attacks
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* Good performance above 4,000 m (13,000 ft)
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* Very solid armament, twin 20 mm MG 151 cannons offer practically twice the internal firepower of contemporary Bf 109s like the [[Bf 109 G-2/trop|G-2/trop]]
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* Good for BnZ
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* Great ammunition pool
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* Can be used as interceptor against bombers
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* Good armament (especially when using air target)
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* Relatively tough
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* Average climb rate means it can find itself below or at equal altitude to the enemy at times
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* Very sluggish at low speed
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* When stock, the cannons are surprisingly inaccurate and tend to "shotgun" a bit
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* Breda-SAFAT machine guns have a low muzzle velocity and don't hit very hard
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* No suspended ordnance, limited utility against ground targets
  
 
== History ==
 
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The Macchi C. 205 was a development of the famous [[C. 202]] "Folgore". The Folgore was the most modern and effective domestic fighter available to the Regia Aeronautica when it was introduced in 1941, proving itself well against Allied Spitfires, Hurricanes, and P-40s. It did still have a number of flaws, including the weak armament of only two heavy machine guns and two rifle-calibre machine guns. This was insufficient for attacking heavily protected American bombers. The design still had further developmental potential and the improved C. 205, initially designated the C. 202''bis'', mainly differed by the installation of a German DB605 engine (used by the German Bf 109G series) instead of the license produced DB601 used by the C. 202.  The DB605 was heavier and more powerful but had very similar dimensions, easing the transition. The resulting aircraft had much improved performance over the C. 202, comparable to the other Italian "''Serie 5''" aircraft powered by the DB605: the [[G.55 (Family)|Fiat G.55]] and the [[Re.2005 serie 0|Reggiane Re.2005]]. The C. 205 had the worst handling at high altitudes due to its relatively small wings and high wing loading. Its strengths were in speed and diving abilities at low and medium altitudes. Its similarity to the existing C. 202 was a significant advantage, especially compared to the high performing but very complex Re.2005, and it was chosen for mass production along with the G.55.
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The early "Veltro" ("Greyhound") models of the C. 205 were outwardly similar to the C. 202, having only minor revisions to the airframe. After the initial [[C. 205 serie 1|C. 205 ''serie 1'']], which retained the Folgore's inadequate armament, the '''C. 205 ''serie 3''''' replaced the wing-mounted Breda-SAFAT 7.7 mm machine guns with German 20 mm MG151/20 cannons. This gave the ''serie 3'' a potent punch. No further Veltro marks were produced, as development turned to the [[C. 205N2|C. 205N "Orione"]] with more radical changes to the aerodynamics and firepower. Interestingly, the ''serie 2'' was supposed to be produced by Fiat, but the factory tasked with it was destroyed by bombing and no such aircraft were made.
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Like its predecessor, the C. 205 performed well in Sicily, Tunisia, and other operational areas. It had competitive agility and speed and was praised by Allied pilots as an excellent aircraft and dangerous opponent in the hands of skilled Italian pilots. The C. 205 was involved in a number of storied engagements. For example, in the Battle of Pantelleria of April 1943, a force of 33 Macchi fighters (largely C. 205s with a handful of C. 202s) engaged a much larger number of Spitfires and claimed 15 kills for only 3 losses. The kill claims were contradicted by Allied loss reports, but said reports stated that only 2 C. 205s were shot down with one possibly making an emergency landing.
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A small number of C. 205s were used by the Italian Co-Belligerent Air Force after the Kingdom of Italy signed an armistice with the Allies, but they were soon supplanted by lend-lease aircraft like the [[P-39 (Family)|P-39]]. The opposing Italian Social Republic reorganized under Mussolini continued to produce and fly Veltros with the Aeronautica Nazionale Repubblicana. Allied bombing raids eventually put an end to C. 205 production by April 1944. While the C. 205s continued to fight effectively against the Allies, attrition dwindled their numbers and they were largely replaced by -G and -K series Bf 109s.
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After the war, an order of 60 C. 205s consisting of refurbished airframes and C. 202 conversions was delivered to the Egyptian Air Force, who used them in combat against Israeli aircraft from 1948-1949. Later batches were redirected to the postwar Italian Air Force after Israel's war for independence had ended. The Veltro continued to serve with Italy until 1951. The last example was decommissioned in 1955, at which point the jet age was well underway.
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Besides Egypt, the C. 205 had a few other foreign users. The Luftwaffe briefly equipped a unit with C. 205s in late 1943. Reception to the Veltro was lukewarm: the flying characteristics were generally deemed good, maintenance was difficult, and the radios were unreliable. The inverted throttle compared to German aircraft also led to several accidents. The Italian aircraft were soon replaced by Bf 109s and returned to Italy. The Independent State of Croatia had 4 C. 205s in their inventory that were largely unremarkable. In a bomber interception in mid 1944, two C. 205s and three C. 202s were shot down by defensive gunners and P-51 Mustangs, with only one C. 205 limping home.
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The three ''serie 5'' fighters were each considered some of the best Italian aircraft of World War II by their pilots and opponents. The C. 205 was perhaps the least glamorous of the trio, having the worst general handling and high altitude performance, but its heavy heritage from the proven C. 202 was a considerable strength. And like the racing dog it was named after, it was fast.
  
 
== Media ==
 
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{{Youtube-gallery|DwbexTKZA-A|'''The Shooting Range #49''' - ''Pages of History'' section at 07:02 discusses the C. 205.}}
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== See also ==
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{{Italy fighters}}

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C. 205 serie 3
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C. 205 serie 3
Italy flag.png Italy
IV Rank
Battle rating:
AB RB SB
5.3 4.7 4.0
Class:
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Description

The C. 205 serie 3 is a rank IV Italian fighter with a battle rating of 5.3 (AB), 4.7 (RB), and 4.0 (SB). It was introduced in Update 1.69 "Regia Aeronautica" along with the initial Italian aviation tree.

The C. 205 serie 3 is a refinement of the C. 205 serie 1, which was a development of the C. 202. The serie 3 addresses the main issue of the serie 1, which is its highly underwhelming firepower. The wings now each hold a 20 mm MG151/20 cannon which accompany what used to be the primary armament, 2 x 12.7 mm machine guns mounted above the engine cowling. The extra weight on the Daimler-Benz 605 engine marginally reduces flight performance and its faces more formidable foes due to its higher battle rating, but the serie 3 remains competitive with its peers as a versatile fighter comfortable with boom-and-zoom, energy fighting, and turning engagements as the situation requires. Anyone caught on the receiving end of its twin cannons will seriously rethink their choices as their plane is ripped to shreds.

General info

Flight performance

Max speed
at 7 000 m672 km/h
Turn time19 s
Max altitude10 360 m
EngineDaimler-Benz DB-605A
TypeInline
Cooling systemWater
Take-off weight3 t

The aircraft has a very good roll rate and generally good acceleration both in level flight and when diving. Overall handling is good and energy retention in level flight and in the vertical is very good. Control lock up starts with the rudder past 500 - 550 km/h with the test of the control surfaces steadily locking up past 600 - 650 km/h. Players should make sure to leave enough altitude to pull out of a steep dive. The control lockup prevents the wings from tearing due to excessive G-force. The engine maintains a lot of power even past 5,000 metres and takes a while to overheat.

For full real control pilots, the left wing is slightly longer than the right to counter the torque of the engine. This can cause the aircraft to roll to the side even when making a slight change in pitch.

Characteristics Max Speed
(km/h at 7,000 m) 		Max altitude
(metres) 		Turn time
(seconds) 		Rate of climb
(metres/second) 		Take-off run
(metres)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
Stock 648 630 10360 20.1 20.8 15.5 15.5 250
Upgraded 699 672 18.0 19.0 23.5 19.0

Details

Features
Combat flaps Take-off flaps Landing flaps Air brakes Arrestor gear
✓ ✓ ✓ X X
Limits
Wings (km/h) Gear (km/h) Flaps (km/h) Max Static G
Combat Take-off Landing + -
845 300 535 450 260 ~14 ~5
Optimal velocities (km/h)
Ailerons Rudder Elevators Radiator
< 400 < 270 < 550 > 380

Survivability and armour

Crew1 person
Speed of destruction
Structural0 km/h
Gear300 km/h
  • 50 mm Bulletproof glass - Windscreen
  • 8 mm Steel - Behind pilot
  • Decent build quality, can take some punishment

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference
AB2 024 → 2 576 Sl icon.png
RB4 605 → 5 862 Sl icon.png
SB6 057 → 7 710 Sl icon.png
Total cost of modifications40 500 Rp icon.png
78 300 Sl icon.png
Talisman cost1 400 Ge icon.png
Crew training45 000 Sl icon.png
Experts155 000 Sl icon.png
Aces820 Ge icon.png
Research Aces440 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
80 / 200 / 420 % Sl icon.png
160 / 160 / 160 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Flight performance Survivability Weaponry
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Fuselage repair
Research:
2 700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
5 200 Sl icon.png
175 Ge icon.png
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Radiator
Research:
2 700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
5 200 Sl icon.png
175 Ge icon.png
Mods compressor.png
Compressor
Research:
3 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
5 800 Sl icon.png
195 Ge icon.png
Mods aerodinamic wing.png
Wings repair
Research:
3 400 Rp icon.png
Cost:
6 600 Sl icon.png
220 Ge icon.png
Mods new engine.png
Engine
Research:
3 400 Rp icon.png
Cost:
6 600 Sl icon.png
220 Ge icon.png
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Engine injection
Research:
4 400 Rp icon.png
Cost:
8 500 Sl icon.png
280 Ge icon.png
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Airframe
Research:
3 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
5 800 Sl icon.png
195 Ge icon.png
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Cover
Research:
4 400 Rp icon.png
Cost:
8 500 Sl icon.png
280 Ge icon.png
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safat12_belt_pack
Research:
2 700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
5 200 Sl icon.png
175 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
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safat12_new_gun
Research:
3 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
5 800 Sl icon.png
195 Ge icon.png
Mods ammo.png
mg15120_belt_pack
Research:
3 400 Rp icon.png
Cost:
6 600 Sl icon.png
220 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
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mg15120_new_gun
Research:
4 400 Rp icon.png
Cost:
8 500 Sl icon.png
280 Ge icon.png

Armaments

Offensive armament

Weapon 12 x 20 mm MG 151 cannon
Ammunition500 rounds
Fire rate700 shots/min
Weapon 22 x 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine gun
Ammunition800 rounds
Fire rate700 shots/min
Main articles: MG 151 (20 mm), Breda-SAFAT (12.7 mm)

The C. 205 serie 3 is armed with:

  • 2 x 20 mm MG 151 cannons, wing-mounted (250 rpg = 500 total)
  • 2 x 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine guns, nose-mounted (400 rpg = 800 total)

Usage in battles

The C. 205 Serie 3 is not just a mere upgrade from C. 205 serie 1, now it features a pair of 20 mm MG 151 cannons which mean that executing Boom-and-Zoom and bomber intercepting is now very possible with greater chance of success. The flight performance still remains competitive for its BR thanks to the powerful DB-605A engine.

Remember, altitude equals advantage. Keep climbing at 20 degrees. Once you've reached 4,000 m, lower the climbing angle to 15 degree to increase speed. Make sure to watch your speed as you climb, you might not want to risk yourself being hit or destroyed by enemy fighter who has a speed advantage over you. The engine will still perform well up to 8,000 m. Use this opportunity to scour for enemy planes, or dive down toward bombers and enemy fighters. If you spot the enemy at your altitude, stop climbing or climb a little to regain your speed. The DB-605A engine provides exceptional speed at higher altitude, which is helpful for 1-on-1 engagements.

If you're getting tailed by enemy fighters, do an Immelmann turn, and scissor to drain enemy fighters' energy. Once your enemy has lost its energy to pursue and begun to stall, use your flaps when pitching up to your enemy, and you can proceed to shoot it down when the time is right. Roll rate in C. 205 serie 3 is also good at both medium and high speed, use this to make your enemy overshoot you and run out of their ammo. C. 205 also has exceptional manoeuvrability in higher speeds even carrying a pair of 20 mm MG 151, but don't expect to outturn Spitfires and Yaks as you'll bleed your energy and become an easy target. The combat flaps are strong, as long as you can keep your speed at 600 km/h while dogfighting.

While the 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT still remain on this aircraft, the most prominent feature of the C. 205 serie 3 is an additional pair of 20 mm MG 151 on the wings, replacing the 7.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine guns. Here, with a total of 500 rounds for the 20 mm, you should be able to destroy a fighter with a single burst or a bomber with good shot placement at their wings or fuselage once equipped with the Air targets belt which consists mostly of deadly Minengeschoss shells. While the 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT loses its effective firepower beyond 300-400 m, you can load them with the Tracers belt which is helpful to ignite plane component, although not as easily as the American M2 Browning does. You can set gun targeting distance at 400 m, which is best for intense dogfighting, or pursuing your enemy.

Manual Engine Control

MEC elements
Mixer Pitch Radiator Supercharger Turbocharger
Oil Water Type
Not controllable Controllable
Not auto controlled 		Controllable
Not auto controlled 		Controllable
Not auto controlled 		Separate Not controllable
1 gear 		Not controllable

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Good for boom-and-zoom attacks
  • Good performance above 4,000 m (13,000 ft)
  • Very solid armament, twin 20 mm MG 151 cannons offer practically twice the internal firepower of contemporary Bf 109s like the G-2/trop
  • Great ammunition pool
  • Can be used as interceptor against bombers
  • Relatively tough

Cons:

  • Average climb rate means it can find itself below or at equal altitude to the enemy at times
  • Very sluggish at low speed
  • When stock, the cannons are surprisingly inaccurate and tend to "shotgun" a bit
  • Breda-SAFAT machine guns have a low muzzle velocity and don't hit very hard
  • No suspended ordnance, limited utility against ground targets

History

The Macchi C. 205 was a development of the famous C. 202 "Folgore". The Folgore was the most modern and effective domestic fighter available to the Regia Aeronautica when it was introduced in 1941, proving itself well against Allied Spitfires, Hurricanes, and P-40s. It did still have a number of flaws, including the weak armament of only two heavy machine guns and two rifle-calibre machine guns. This was insufficient for attacking heavily protected American bombers. The design still had further developmental potential and the improved C. 205, initially designated the C. 202bis, mainly differed by the installation of a German DB605 engine (used by the German Bf 109G series) instead of the license produced DB601 used by the C. 202. The DB605 was heavier and more powerful but had very similar dimensions, easing the transition. The resulting aircraft had much improved performance over the C. 202, comparable to the other Italian "Serie 5" aircraft powered by the DB605: the Fiat G.55 and the Reggiane Re.2005. The C. 205 had the worst handling at high altitudes due to its relatively small wings and high wing loading. Its strengths were in speed and diving abilities at low and medium altitudes. Its similarity to the existing C. 202 was a significant advantage, especially compared to the high performing but very complex Re.2005, and it was chosen for mass production along with the G.55.

The early "Veltro" ("Greyhound") models of the C. 205 were outwardly similar to the C. 202, having only minor revisions to the airframe. After the initial C. 205 serie 1, which retained the Folgore's inadequate armament, the C. 205 serie 3 replaced the wing-mounted Breda-SAFAT 7.7 mm machine guns with German 20 mm MG151/20 cannons. This gave the serie 3 a potent punch. No further Veltro marks were produced, as development turned to the C. 205N "Orione" with more radical changes to the aerodynamics and firepower. Interestingly, the serie 2 was supposed to be produced by Fiat, but the factory tasked with it was destroyed by bombing and no such aircraft were made.

Like its predecessor, the C. 205 performed well in Sicily, Tunisia, and other operational areas. It had competitive agility and speed and was praised by Allied pilots as an excellent aircraft and dangerous opponent in the hands of skilled Italian pilots. The C. 205 was involved in a number of storied engagements. For example, in the Battle of Pantelleria of April 1943, a force of 33 Macchi fighters (largely C. 205s with a handful of C. 202s) engaged a much larger number of Spitfires and claimed 15 kills for only 3 losses. The kill claims were contradicted by Allied loss reports, but said reports stated that only 2 C. 205s were shot down with one possibly making an emergency landing.

A small number of C. 205s were used by the Italian Co-Belligerent Air Force after the Kingdom of Italy signed an armistice with the Allies, but they were soon supplanted by lend-lease aircraft like the P-39. The opposing Italian Social Republic reorganized under Mussolini continued to produce and fly Veltros with the Aeronautica Nazionale Repubblicana. Allied bombing raids eventually put an end to C. 205 production by April 1944. While the C. 205s continued to fight effectively against the Allies, attrition dwindled their numbers and they were largely replaced by -G and -K series Bf 109s.

After the war, an order of 60 C. 205s consisting of refurbished airframes and C. 202 conversions was delivered to the Egyptian Air Force, who used them in combat against Israeli aircraft from 1948-1949. Later batches were redirected to the postwar Italian Air Force after Israel's war for independence had ended. The Veltro continued to serve with Italy until 1951. The last example was decommissioned in 1955, at which point the jet age was well underway.

Besides Egypt, the C. 205 had a few other foreign users. The Luftwaffe briefly equipped a unit with C. 205s in late 1943. Reception to the Veltro was lukewarm: the flying characteristics were generally deemed good, maintenance was difficult, and the radios were unreliable. The inverted throttle compared to German aircraft also led to several accidents. The Italian aircraft were soon replaced by Bf 109s and returned to Italy. The Independent State of Croatia had 4 C. 205s in their inventory that were largely unremarkable. In a bomber interception in mid 1944, two C. 205s and three C. 202s were shot down by defensive gunners and P-51 Mustangs, with only one C. 205 limping home.

The three serie 5 fighters were each considered some of the best Italian aircraft of World War II by their pilots and opponents. The C. 205 was perhaps the least glamorous of the trio, having the worst general handling and high altitude performance, but its heavy heritage from the proven C. 202 was a considerable strength. And like the racing dog it was named after, it was fast.

Media

Skins
Videos
The Shooting Range #49 - Pages of History section at 07:02 discusses the C. 205.

See also

Related development

External links


Macchi Aeronautics (Macchi Aeronautica)
Fighters  C. 200 serie 3 · C. 200 serie 7
  C. 202 · C. 202D · C. 202EC
  C. 205 serie 1 · C. 205 serie 3 · C. 205N2
Captured  ▀C. 200 serie 3 · ▀C. 200 serie 7 · ▀C. 202

Italy fighters
Fiat  CR.32 · CR.32 bis · CR.32 quater · CR.42 · Marcolin's C.R.42 CN
  G.50 serie 2 · G.50 AS serie 7
  G.55 sottoserie 0 · G.55 serie 1 · G.55S · G.56
Reggiane  Re.2000 G.A. · Re.2000 serie 1
  Re.2001 serie 1 · Re.2001 gruppo 22 · Re.2001 CB · Re.2001 CN
  Re.2002 Early
  Re.2005 serie 0
Macchi  C. 200 serie 3 · C. 200 serie 7
  C. 202 · C. 202D · C. 202EC
  C. 205 serie 1 · C. 205 serie 3 · C. 205N2
IMAM  Ro.44
  Foreign:
Germany  ▄Bf 109 G-14/AS
USA  ▄P-47D-30
Britain  ▄Spitfire Mk Vb/trop
Hungary  ◐Bf 109 F-4 · ◐Bf 109 G-2 · ◔Yak-9P
Romania  He 112 B-1/U2 · IAR-81C

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