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+ | |images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_75_34_M43.jpg|ArtImage_75-34_M43.png}} | ||
+ | }} | ||
== Description == | == Description == | ||
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− | The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a | + | The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Italian tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.85 "Supersonic"]]. |
== General info == | == General info == | ||
=== Survivability and armour === | === Survivability and armour === | ||
− | ''Describe armour protection. Note the most well protected and key weak areas. Appreciate the layout of modules as well as the number and location of crew members. Is the level of armour protection sufficient, is the placement of modules | + | {{Specs-Tank-Armour}} |
+ | <!-- ''Describe armour protection. Note the most well protected and key weak areas. Appreciate the layout of modules as well as the number and location of crew members. Is the level of armour protection sufficient, is the placement of modules helpful for survival in combat? If necessary use a visual template to indicate the most secure and weak zones of the armour.'' --> | ||
− | '' | + | '''Armour type:''' |
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+ | * Rolled homogeneous armour (hull, casemate) | ||
+ | * Cast homogeneous armour (gun mantlet) | ||
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+ | ! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof | ||
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+ | | Hull || 25 mm (78°) ''Upper glacis'' <br> 50 mm (40°) ''Lower glacis - top'' <br> 30 mm (50°) ''Lower glacis - bottom'' || 40 mm <br> 40 + 25 + 4 mm ''Casemate area'' <br> 40 + 4 mm ''Side skirts area'' || 25 mm ''Upper part'' <br> 25 mm (15°) ''Lower part'' || 25 mm (12°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 10-15 mm (12°) ''Rear - Engine hood'' <br> 5-15 mm (5°) ''Rear - Radiator vents'' | ||
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+ | | Casemate || 75 mm (5°) + 25 mm (25°) ''Casemate front plate'' <br> 90 mm (5°) + 25 mm (25°) ''Driver port'' <br> 50 + 50 mm (spherical) + 25 mm (25°) ''Gun mantlet'' || 45 mm (7-9°) + 25 mm || 45 mm || 15 mm (0-4°) ''Centre'' <br> 15 mm (18°) ''Sides'' | ||
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+ | |} | ||
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+ | '''Notes:''' | ||
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+ | * Suspension wheels are 15 mm thick while tracks are 20 mm thick and bogies 10 mm thick. | ||
+ | * The belly is 15 mm thick. | ||
+ | * Mudguards are 4 mm thick. | ||
+ | |||
+ | The {{PAGENAME}} has the same good protection as the 105/25 M43: thick vertical front armour plate, reinforced sides and a crew sitting apart in a widened hull. The {{PAGENAME}} also gets an additional 25 mm spaced armour plate on the front and the sides of the casemate, increasing the vehicle's protection against chemical rounds and bringing its frontal armour to 100 mm. However, the poor roof armour and a crew of only 3 are still weak points. Your front plate is also wide and easy to target. | ||
=== Mobility === | === Mobility === | ||
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+ | === Modifications and economy === | ||
+ | {{Specs-Economy}} | ||
== Armaments == | == Armaments == | ||
+ | {{Specs-Tank-Armaments}} | ||
=== Main armament === | === Main armament === | ||
− | <!--''Give the reader information about the characteristics of the main gun. Assess its effectiveness in a battle based on the reloading speed, ballistics and the power of shells. Do not forget about the | + | {{Specs-Tank-Weapon|1}} |
+ | <!-- ''Give the reader information about the characteristics of the main gun. Assess its effectiveness in a battle based on the reloading speed, ballistics and the power of shells. Do not forget about the flexibility of the fire, that is how quickly the cannon can be aimed at the target, open fire on it and aim at another enemy. Add a link to the main article on the gun: <code><nowiki>{{main|Name of the weapon}}</nowiki></code>. Describe in general terms the ammunition available for the main gun. Give advice on how to use them and how to fill the ammunition storage.'' --> | ||
{{main|Ansaldo 75 L/34 (75 mm)}} | {{main|Ansaldo 75 L/34 (75 mm)}} | ||
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− | ! | + | ! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced |
− | ! | + | ! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced |
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− | | | + | ! ''Arcade'' |
+ | | rowspan="2" | 45 || rowspan="2" | -10°/+16° || rowspan="2" | ±18° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 12.3 || 17.1 || 20.7 || 22.9 || 24.4 || rowspan="2" | 7.80 || rowspan="2" | 6.90 || rowspan="2" | 6.36 || rowspan="2" | 6.00 | ||
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− | ===== Ammunition ===== | + | ==== Ammunition ==== |
− | {| class="wikitable | + | {{:Ansaldo 75 L/34 (75 mm)/Ammunition|Granata Perforante 75/32, EPS M42, Granata 75/32}} |
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+ | ==== [[Ammo racks]] ==== | ||
+ | [[File:Ammoracks_75-34_M43.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]] | ||
+ | <!-- '''Last updated: 1.101.1.16''' --> | ||
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− | ! | + | ! 2nd<br>rack empty |
+ | ! 3rd<br>rack empty | ||
+ | ! Visual<br>discrepancy | ||
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+ | Notes: | ||
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+ | * Shells are modeled individually and disappear after having been shot or loaded. | ||
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+ | == Usage in battles == | ||
+ | <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' --> | ||
+ | |||
+ | ;Combat tactics | ||
+ | |||
+ | The {{PAGENAME}} is best when used as a tank destroyer thanks to its good frontal armour and the good penetration of its rounds, provided you stay at a distance guaranteeing your survivability (800-1,000 m). With a maximum penetration of 64 mm at 1,000 m for the APCBC round and 100 mm for the HEAT shell, the vehicle will have no problem penetrating the armour of most enemy vehicles at the BR. | ||
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+ | If you play too close to the frontline, most tanks will be capable of disabling you. Your weak sides will be exposed if you are taken in a pincer move and being immobilized with the enemy close to your position pretty much seals your vehicle's fate. | ||
+ | |||
+ | ;Notable enemies: | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Tank destroyers with long guns that can penetrate from long range like the [[M10 (Family)|M10]], the Marder III, the Sd.Kfz.234/4, the StuG III F, the SU-57B, the ASU-57, the YaG-10 (29-K), the Gun Carrier (3-in), the Archer, the Na-To, the 90/53 M41M or the Pvkv II. | ||
+ | * Tanks with powerful HEAT shells like the M4A3 (105), the StuH 42 G, the 105/25 M43 or the Sav m/43 (1946), | ||
+ | * Heavily armoured tanks that can shrug your shells off like the MK-II "Matilda" (USSR), the KV-1 (L-11), the Churchill I or the Matilda III, | ||
+ | * Frontline tanks with sloped armour like the M4, the M4A1, the [[T-34 (Family)|T-34]], the Sherman II, the M4A4 or the ARL-44 (ACL-1), | ||
+ | * Fast and agile light tanks such as the [[M24 (Family)|M24]], that can easily flank the Semovente undetected are dangerous threats. Their speed and small size make them difficult to target for the Semovente's gun and they can disable you easily at close range. | ||
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− | + | * Avoid any frontal encounter. Flank it and aim for the sides of the casemate. | |
− | '' | + | * Wait for it to have shot and be reloading (it gives you at least 6 seconds to act). |
+ | * If you're forced to engage the Semovente frontally, be as close as possible to increase your chances to penetrate. Additionally, if you're using HEAT rounds, unless you have 130+ mm of penetration, avoid shooting the main front plate as against chemical shells as it has 120-130 mm effective protection | ||
+ | * If you can't disable it in one shot, immobilizing the {{PAGENAME}} buys you time to finish it off. Either shoot the transmission, the driver or the engine to do so. Stay out or get out of its line of fire once it is immobilized. | ||
+ | * When flying an aircraft, target the crew compartment to knock the crew out or the engine bay to immobilize it. | ||
=== Pros and cons === | === Pros and cons === | ||
− | '' | + | <!-- ''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in a bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".'' --> |
'''Pros:''' | '''Pros:''' | ||
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+ | * Effective frontal armour and all-around protection | ||
+ | * Small frontal profile makes the tank easy to conceal and difficult to hit | ||
+ | * Decent mobility and good hull traverse | ||
+ | * Has access to HEAT rounds | ||
'''Cons:''' | '''Cons:''' | ||
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+ | * Armour becomes much less effective when uptiered against stronger vehicles | ||
+ | * As a casemate tank destroyer, the Semovente is extremely vulnerable to flanks | ||
+ | * A cramped interior and only 3 crew lessens survivability | ||
+ | * Inadequate gun for its BR | ||
== History == | == History == | ||
− | ''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the | + | <!-- ''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).'' --> |
+ | {{main|105/25_M43#History|l1=History of the 105/25 M43}} | ||
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+ | ;Development | ||
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+ | After the Italian Armistice in 1943, the Germans took control of Northern Italy and restarted the production of the Semovente da 105/25. The later Semovente da 75/46 on the same chassis appeared, with a better anti-tank gun and added armour. The new gun's production was extremely slow and 29 vehicles mounted instead the 75/34 Mod.SF gun, all served with the Wehrmacht.<ref>Atlante dei mezzi corazzati, I carri dell'Asse, Nicola Pignato, Ermanno Albertelli Editore, Italia, 1983, p 59.</ref> | ||
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+ | ;Combat usage | ||
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+ | These saw service with German forces in southern Europe in 1944-1945. | ||
== Media == | == Media == | ||
− | '' | + | <!-- ''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.'' --> |
− | == | + | ;Skins |
− | ''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example | + | |
+ | * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=it_semovente_m43_75_34 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.] | ||
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+ | ;Videos | ||
+ | {{Youtube-gallery|4YXG8Ij5LZ8|'''{{PAGENAME}} Review, Decent chassis, crap gun!''' - ''Joseph 2000''}} | ||
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+ | == See also == | ||
+ | <!-- ''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:'' | ||
* ''reference to the series of the vehicles;'' | * ''reference to the series of the vehicles;'' | ||
− | * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' | + | * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' --> |
− | + | ||
+ | ;Vehicles equipped with the same chassis | ||
+ | |||
+ | * [[105/25 M43]] / [[M43 "G.C.Leoncello"]] | ||
+ | * [[75/46 M43]] | ||
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+ | ;Other vehicles of similar configuration and role | ||
− | == | + | * [[StuG III F]] |
− | ''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:'' | + | * [[75/34 M42]] |
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+ | == External links == | ||
+ | <!-- ''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:'' | ||
* ''topic on the official game forum;'' | * ''topic on the official game forum;'' | ||
− | * ''other literature.'' | + | * ''other literature.'' --> |
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+ | * [[Wikipedia:Semovente_da_105/25#Semovente_M43_da_75/34|[Wikipedia] Semovente M43 da 75/34]] | ||
+ | {{TankManufacturer FIAT-Ansaldo}} | ||
{{Italy tank destroyers}} | {{Italy tank destroyers}} |
Latest revision as of 21:54, 13 November 2023
Contents
Description
The Semovente 75/34 M43 is a rank II Italian tank destroyer with a battle rating of 3.3 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update 1.85 "Supersonic".
General info
Survivability and armour
Armour type:
- Rolled homogeneous armour (hull, casemate)
- Cast homogeneous armour (gun mantlet)
Armour | Front (Slope angle) | Sides | Rear | Roof |
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Hull | 25 mm (78°) Upper glacis 50 mm (40°) Lower glacis - top 30 mm (50°) Lower glacis - bottom |
40 mm 40 + 25 + 4 mm Casemate area 40 + 4 mm Side skirts area |
25 mm Upper part 25 mm (15°) Lower part |
25 mm (12°) Front glacis 10-15 mm (12°) Rear - Engine hood 5-15 mm (5°) Rear - Radiator vents |
Casemate | 75 mm (5°) + 25 mm (25°) Casemate front plate 90 mm (5°) + 25 mm (25°) Driver port 50 + 50 mm (spherical) + 25 mm (25°) Gun mantlet |
45 mm (7-9°) + 25 mm | 45 mm | 15 mm (0-4°) Centre 15 mm (18°) Sides |
Notes:
- Suspension wheels are 15 mm thick while tracks are 20 mm thick and bogies 10 mm thick.
- The belly is 15 mm thick.
- Mudguards are 4 mm thick.
The 75/34 M43 has the same good protection as the 105/25 M43: thick vertical front armour plate, reinforced sides and a crew sitting apart in a widened hull. The 75/34 M43 also gets an additional 25 mm spaced armour plate on the front and the sides of the casemate, increasing the vehicle's protection against chemical rounds and bringing its frontal armour to 100 mm. However, the poor roof armour and a crew of only 3 are still weak points. Your front plate is also wide and easy to target.
Mobility
Game Mode | Max Speed (km/h) | Weight (tons) | Engine power (horsepower) | Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton) | |||
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Forward | Reverse | Stock | Upgraded | Stock | Upgraded | ||
Arcade | 42 | 4 | 15.5 | 263 | 353 | 16.97 | 22.77 |
Realistic | 39 | 4 | 164 | 185 | 10.58 | 11.94 |
Modifications and economy
Armaments
Main armament
75 mm Ansaldo 75 L/34 | Turret rotation speed (°/s) | Reloading rate (seconds) | |||||||||||
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Mode | Capacity | Vertical | Horizontal | Stabilizer | Stock | Upgraded | Full | Expert | Aced | Stock | Full | Expert | Aced |
Arcade | 45 | -10°/+16° | ±18° | N/A | 12.3 | 17.1 | 20.7 | 22.9 | 24.4 | 7.80 | 6.90 | 6.36 | 6.00 |
Realistic | 8.3 | 9.8 | 11.9 | 13.2 | 14.0 |
Ammunition
Penetration statistics | |||||||
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Ammunition | Type of warhead |
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm) | |||||
10 m | 100 m | 500 m | 1,000 m | 1,500 m | 2,000 m | ||
Granata Perforante 75/32 | APCBC | 79 | 78 | 71 | 64 | 58 | 52 |
EPS M42 | HEAT | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 | 100 |
Granata 75/32 | HE | 10 | 10 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 |
Shell details | ||||||||||||
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Ammunition | Type of warhead |
Velocity (m/s) |
Projectile mass (kg) |
Fuse delay (m) |
Fuse sensitivity (mm) |
Explosive mass (TNT equivalent) (g) |
Ricochet | |||||
0% | 50% | 100% | ||||||||||
Granata Perforante 75/32 | APCBC | 637 | 6.35 | 1.2 | 14 | 270 | 48° | 63° | 71° | |||
EPS M42 | HEAT | 552 | 5.3 | 0.05 | 0.1 | 656.64 | 62° | 69° | 73° | |||
Granata 75/32 | HE | 552 | 6.35 | 0.2 | 0.1 | 600 | 79° | 80° | 81° |
Ammo racks
Full ammo |
1st rack empty |
2nd rack empty |
3rd rack empty |
Visual discrepancy |
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45 | 31 (+14) | 16 (+29) | 1 (+44) | No |
Notes:
- Shells are modeled individually and disappear after having been shot or loaded.
Usage in battles
- Combat tactics
The 75/34 M43 is best when used as a tank destroyer thanks to its good frontal armour and the good penetration of its rounds, provided you stay at a distance guaranteeing your survivability (800-1,000 m). With a maximum penetration of 64 mm at 1,000 m for the APCBC round and 100 mm for the HEAT shell, the vehicle will have no problem penetrating the armour of most enemy vehicles at the BR.
If you play too close to the frontline, most tanks will be capable of disabling you. Your weak sides will be exposed if you are taken in a pincer move and being immobilized with the enemy close to your position pretty much seals your vehicle's fate.
- Notable enemies
- Tank destroyers with long guns that can penetrate from long range like the M10, the Marder III, the Sd.Kfz.234/4, the StuG III F, the SU-57B, the ASU-57, the YaG-10 (29-K), the Gun Carrier (3-in), the Archer, the Na-To, the 90/53 M41M or the Pvkv II.
- Tanks with powerful HEAT shells like the M4A3 (105), the StuH 42 G, the 105/25 M43 or the Sav m/43 (1946),
- Heavily armoured tanks that can shrug your shells off like the MK-II "Matilda" (USSR), the KV-1 (L-11), the Churchill I or the Matilda III,
- Frontline tanks with sloped armour like the M4, the M4A1, the T-34, the Sherman II, the M4A4 or the ARL-44 (ACL-1),
- Fast and agile light tanks such as the M24, that can easily flank the Semovente undetected are dangerous threats. Their speed and small size make them difficult to target for the Semovente's gun and they can disable you easily at close range.
- How to defeat a 75/34 M43
- Avoid any frontal encounter. Flank it and aim for the sides of the casemate.
- Wait for it to have shot and be reloading (it gives you at least 6 seconds to act).
- If you're forced to engage the Semovente frontally, be as close as possible to increase your chances to penetrate. Additionally, if you're using HEAT rounds, unless you have 130+ mm of penetration, avoid shooting the main front plate as against chemical shells as it has 120-130 mm effective protection
- If you can't disable it in one shot, immobilizing the 75/34 M43 buys you time to finish it off. Either shoot the transmission, the driver or the engine to do so. Stay out or get out of its line of fire once it is immobilized.
- When flying an aircraft, target the crew compartment to knock the crew out or the engine bay to immobilize it.
Pros and cons
Pros:
- Effective frontal armour and all-around protection
- Small frontal profile makes the tank easy to conceal and difficult to hit
- Decent mobility and good hull traverse
- Has access to HEAT rounds
Cons:
- Armour becomes much less effective when uptiered against stronger vehicles
- As a casemate tank destroyer, the Semovente is extremely vulnerable to flanks
- A cramped interior and only 3 crew lessens survivability
- Inadequate gun for its BR
History
- Development
After the Italian Armistice in 1943, the Germans took control of Northern Italy and restarted the production of the Semovente da 105/25. The later Semovente da 75/46 on the same chassis appeared, with a better anti-tank gun and added armour. The new gun's production was extremely slow and 29 vehicles mounted instead the 75/34 Mod.SF gun, all served with the Wehrmacht.[1]
- Combat usage
These saw service with German forces in southern Europe in 1944-1945.
Media
- Skins
- Videos
See also
- Vehicles equipped with the same chassis
- Other vehicles of similar configuration and role
External links
FIAT-Ansaldo | |
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Autoblindo | AB 41 · AB 43 |
Light Tanks | L6/40 · L6/40 (31 Rgt.) |
Medium Tanks | Celere Sahariano |
M11/39 | M11/39 |
M13/40 | M13/40 (I) · M13/40 (II) · M13/40 (III) |
M14/41 | M14/41 · M14/41 (47/40) |
M15/42 | M15/42 |
P40 | P40 · P40 "G.C. Leoncello" |
Tank Destroyers | |
L3/33 | L3/33 CC |
Semovente L40 | 47/32 L40 |
Semovente M41 | 75/18 M41 · 75/32 M41 · 90/53 M41M |
Semovente M42 | 75/34 M42 |
Semovente M43 | 105/25 M43 · M43 "G.C.Leoncello" · 75/34 M43 · 75/46 M43 |
SPAAs | M42 Contraereo |
Italy tank destroyers | |
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Italy | |
M41 | 75/18 M41 · 75/32 M41 · 90/53 M41M |
M42 | 75/34 M42 |
M43 | 105/25 M43 · M43 "G.C.Leoncello" · 75/34 M43 · 75/46 M43 |
Wheeled | Lancia 3Ro (100/17) · AS 42/47 · Breda 90/53 · Breda 501 |
Other | L3/33 CC · 47/32 L40 |
Germany | ▄StuG III G |
USA | M36B1 · ▄M109G · M113A1 (TOW) |
Hungary | |
Zrínyi | Zrinyi I · Zrinyi II |
USSR | ◔2S1 |
- ↑ Atlante dei mezzi corazzati, I carri dell'Asse, Nicola Pignato, Ermanno Albertelli Editore, Italia, 1983, p 59.