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− | The J35XS was part of a deal between Finland and Sweden so that the last one could provide Finland with different variants of the J35 Draken. At the beginning only second hand J35Fs, Bs and Cs were provided with minor modifications but Finland requested an upgrade variant of the J35F, more comparable to the J35J standard. Thus the J35XS was conceived, it had better countermeasures, electronics, a better radar (but still very similar), more weapon pylons and access to the RB-27 and RB-28 missiles, as well as the RB-24J (AIM- | + | The J35XS was part of a deal between Finland and Sweden so that the last one could provide Finland with different variants of the J35 Draken. At the beginning only second hand J35Fs, Bs and Cs were provided with minor modifications but Finland requested an upgrade variant of the J35F, more comparable to the J35J standard. Thus the J35XS was conceived, it had better countermeasures, electronics, a better radar (but still very similar), more weapon pylons and access to the RB-27 and RB-28 missiles, as well as the RB-24J (AIM-9J). A total of 12 aircrafts were produced of this variant, and was the only one assembled in Finland, while the kits were produced in Sweden by SAAB. In real life, the J35XS was also able to fire the Soviet R-13M1 (export variant of the R-13M) that was extensively used by Finland in their Mig-21s. |
− | Introduced in [[Update "Apex Predators"]], the J35XS plays like all Drakens, fast | + | Introduced in [[Update "Apex Predators"]], the J35XS plays like all Drakens, fast and with good AOA capabilities. Of course, while doing maneuvers it loses all of it's speed, but it has a very interesting double delta wing design, that allows the aircraft to retain energy at high speeds at the cost of agility. It has access to 6 x RB-24Js which are just AIM-9Js. This missile has a decent range and acceleration, as well as 20Gs of pull, while these don't get you consistent kills, they still perform decently when launched at un-aware opponents. It also has access to 12 countermeasures, not a lot, however being deployed 1 x 1, they can last for a good time and while being better than nothing, they are ultimately sub-optimal at best. This means that taking chaff is not recommended, and thus flying close to the ground to avoid radar locks is highly advised. Also, it uses an IRST coupled with it's radar. This allows to lock to the heat signature of jets and slaving the missile to that lock, but the locked target wont receive a warning unlike radar, that triggers the RWR if it's able to detect the lock. The problem is that IRST can't identify if the lock is friend or enemy, so watch out for friendly fire. |
== General info == | == General info == | ||
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− | The Saab J35XS turns very | + | The Saab J35XS turns very well, however turning too hard at lower speeds can also lead to a "superstall", which may cause a crash. Tight turns also lead to a significant loss of energy/speed. |
− | Being that the Saab J35XS is also a double-delta wing, it's sustained turn rate is fantastic, | + | Being that the Saab J35XS is also a double-delta wing, it's sustained turn rate is fantastic, the energy retention not so much, thus leaving the aircraft in a much-to-be-desired energy and speed state. An issue most pilots may run into in a dogfight is an issue with only one ''sidemounted'' Akan m/55 30mm, making getting good shots in a dogfight difficult. |
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! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute | ! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute | ||
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As with all delta or double-delta wing configurations, your silhouette is significantly larger than other contemporary aircraft you'll face from 9.7-11.7. The fuel tanks are located close to the center of the fuselage, meaning that most rounds that connect with your aircraft will likely cause you to burn up. The engine is also massive and fragile, meaning that even a glancing blow from an enemy's gun can critically damage your engine. | As with all delta or double-delta wing configurations, your silhouette is significantly larger than other contemporary aircraft you'll face from 9.7-11.7. The fuel tanks are located close to the center of the fuselage, meaning that most rounds that connect with your aircraft will likely cause you to burn up. The engine is also massive and fragile, meaning that even a glancing blow from an enemy's gun can critically damage your engine. | ||
− | Flight characteristics are also heavily damaged with even minor damage to the wings, particularly if the damage is uneven, greatly increasing the chances of getting into a irrecoverable | + | Flight characteristics are also heavily damaged with even minor damage to the wings, particularly if the damage is uneven, greatly increasing the chances of getting into a irrecoverable flat spin. As with most aircraft of the BR, you will not be able to survive a missile if it comes into contact with your aircraft. |
=== Modifications and economy === | === Modifications and economy === | ||
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== Usage in battles == | == Usage in battles == | ||
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− | The J35XS is played as a very capable dogfighter/interceptor in War Thunder. At it's BR, it gets a set of 6 x RB-24J air to air missiles ( | + | The J35XS is played as a very capable dogfighter/interceptor in War Thunder. At it's BR, it gets a set of 6 x RB-24J air to air missiles (AIM-9J), that even while only rear aspect, have a good range and decent acceleration, as well as the ability to pull 20Gs maximum. Not only that, the aircraft gets a powerful radar with a maximum of 90KM of detection range and 45KM for lock range. |
− | The J35XS also features an IRST, a rare sight in jets, and even rarer below 11.0. IRST stands for Infrared Search and Track and allows to detect infrared signals from rear and front aspect, and locking them. Unlike SARH, this mode does not have an IFF system, which means that it cant identify if the aircraft locked/detected is an ally or an enemy. This can prove very dangerous in '''Simulator Battles''', when it's not possible identifying if an aircraft is allied or not at long ranges. Still, a good combination in | + | The J35XS also features an IRST, a rare sight in jets, and even rarer below 11.0. IRST stands for Infrared Search and Track and allows to detect infrared signals from rear and front aspect, and locking them. Unlike SARH, this mode does not have an IFF system, which means that it cant identify if the aircraft locked/detected is an ally or an enemy. This can prove very dangerous in '''Simulator Battles''', when it's not possible identifying if an aircraft is allied or not at long ranges. Still, a good combination in these situations is using the IRST in close ranges while using the radar at long ranges, this will ensure that the enemy aircrafts is not warned if you are locked using the IRST. Apart from that, you can use the IRST to lock missiles easier and shoot them while maneuvering and maintaining the lock. |
− | The J35XS has a limited fuel load of 20 minutes, and while the afterburner is not very fuel hungry, it will still leave you without fuel in EC maps if not careful. Without the afterburner you will top at Mach 0.96 with 100% thrust. You will also loose a lot of speed while turning, of course, this means that you can pull very tight turns and surprise your opponents with shots or missile launches. One of the biggest | + | The J35XS has a limited fuel load of 20 minutes, and while the afterburner is not very fuel hungry, it will still leave you without fuel in EC maps if not careful. Without the afterburner you will top at Mach 0.96 with 100% thrust. You will also loose a lot of speed while turning, of course, this means that you can pull very tight turns and surprise your opponents with shots or missile launches. One of the biggest inconvenience with the J35XS is the cannon placement, while the cannon is has decent damage, the offset gun makes aiming very hard and lining up shots rather difficult, it's recommended playing a little in AB matches to get used to how your gun behaves, before participating in RB or SB. |
The aircraft has access to only two air to ground options, the M/56D and M/57B rockets, the M/56D is the only useful against ground targets, since it has a HEAT warhead with good penetration values, but it's quite heavy and slow. The 57B in the other hand uses a HE warhead, but it's too small, with only 15mm of penetration and 1.14kgs of explosive mass, that wont kill anything at high BRs even with a direct hit. | The aircraft has access to only two air to ground options, the M/56D and M/57B rockets, the M/56D is the only useful against ground targets, since it has a HEAT warhead with good penetration values, but it's quite heavy and slow. The 57B in the other hand uses a HE warhead, but it's too small, with only 15mm of penetration and 1.14kgs of explosive mass, that wont kill anything at high BRs even with a direct hit. | ||
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* Good speed | * Good speed | ||
* Effective high calibre flares/chaffs | * Effective high calibre flares/chaffs | ||
− | * Great turn rate at low speeds | + | * Great turn rate at medium - low speeds |
− | * | + | * Strong in a downtier |
* Has IRST | * Has IRST | ||
− | * 6 | + | * 6 sub-optimal missiles |
'''Cons:''' | '''Cons:''' | ||
− | * Bleeds speed | + | * Bleeds a lot of speed during sustained turns |
* Janky gun placement makes it hard to aim | * Janky gun placement makes it hard to aim | ||
− | * | + | * Horrible performance in uptiers |
* Very limited count of flares/chaffs | * Very limited count of flares/chaffs | ||
* Average turn speed above ~900 km/h | * Average turn speed above ~900 km/h |
Latest revision as of 21:30, 31 August 2024
This page is about the premium Swedish jet fighter Saab J35XS. For other versions, see SAAB 35 Draken (Family). |
Contents
Description
The J35XS was part of a deal between Finland and Sweden so that the last one could provide Finland with different variants of the J35 Draken. At the beginning only second hand J35Fs, Bs and Cs were provided with minor modifications but Finland requested an upgrade variant of the J35F, more comparable to the J35J standard. Thus the J35XS was conceived, it had better countermeasures, electronics, a better radar (but still very similar), more weapon pylons and access to the RB-27 and RB-28 missiles, as well as the RB-24J (AIM-9J). A total of 12 aircrafts were produced of this variant, and was the only one assembled in Finland, while the kits were produced in Sweden by SAAB. In real life, the J35XS was also able to fire the Soviet R-13M1 (export variant of the R-13M) that was extensively used by Finland in their Mig-21s.
Introduced in Update "Apex Predators", the J35XS plays like all Drakens, fast and with good AOA capabilities. Of course, while doing maneuvers it loses all of it's speed, but it has a very interesting double delta wing design, that allows the aircraft to retain energy at high speeds at the cost of agility. It has access to 6 x RB-24Js which are just AIM-9Js. This missile has a decent range and acceleration, as well as 20Gs of pull, while these don't get you consistent kills, they still perform decently when launched at un-aware opponents. It also has access to 12 countermeasures, not a lot, however being deployed 1 x 1, they can last for a good time and while being better than nothing, they are ultimately sub-optimal at best. This means that taking chaff is not recommended, and thus flying close to the ground to avoid radar locks is highly advised. Also, it uses an IRST coupled with it's radar. This allows to lock to the heat signature of jets and slaving the missile to that lock, but the locked target wont receive a warning unlike radar, that triggers the RWR if it's able to detect the lock. The problem is that IRST can't identify if the lock is friend or enemy, so watch out for friendly fire.
General info
Flight performance
The Saab J35XS turns very well, however turning too hard at lower speeds can also lead to a "superstall", which may cause a crash. Tight turns also lead to a significant loss of energy/speed.
Being that the Saab J35XS is also a double-delta wing, it's sustained turn rate is fantastic, the energy retention not so much, thus leaving the aircraft in a much-to-be-desired energy and speed state. An issue most pilots may run into in a dogfight is an issue with only one sidemounted Akan m/55 30mm, making getting good shots in a dogfight difficult.
Characteristics | Max speed (km/h at 9,000 m) |
Max altitude (metres) |
Turn time (seconds) |
Rate of climb (metres/second) |
Take-off run (metres) | |||
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AB | RB | AB | RB | AB | RB | |||
Stock | ___ | ___ | 12500 | __._ | __._ | __._ | __._ | 900 |
Upgraded | 2,390 | 2,250 | 24.1 | 25.0 | 208.2 | 177.0 |
Details
Features | |||||
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Combat flaps | Take-off flaps | Landing flaps | Air brakes | Arrestor gear | Drogue chute |
X | X | X | ✓ | X | ✓ |
Limits | ||||||
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Wings (km/h) | Gear (km/h) | Flaps (km/h) | Max Static G | |||
Combat | Take-off | Landing | + | - | ||
1,417 | 500 | - | - | - | ~13 | ~6 |
Optimal velocities (km/h) | |||
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Ailerons | Rudder | Elevators | Radiator |
< 850 | < 700 | < 700 | N/A |
Engine performance
Engine | Aircraft mass | |||||
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Engine name | Number | Basic mass | Wing loading (full fuel) | |||
Svenska Flygmotor RM 6C | 1 | 8,255 kg | 210 kg/m2 | |||
Engine characteristics | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) | Max Gross Weight | ||||
Weight (each) | Type | 6m fuel | 20m fuel | 21m fuel | ||
1,400 kg | Afterburning axial-flow turbojet | 8,909 kg | 10,284 kg | 10,435 kg | 11,634 kg | |
Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB/SB) | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (WEP) | |||||
Condition | 100% | WEP | 6m fuel | 20m fuel | 21m fuel | MGW |
Stationary | 5,575 kgf | 8,028 kgf | 0.90 | 0.78 | 0.77 | 0.70 |
Optimal | 5,575 kgf (0 km/h) |
10,126 kgf (1,250 km/h) |
1.14 | 0.98 | 0.97 | 0.88 |
Survivability and armour
As with all delta or double-delta wing configurations, your silhouette is significantly larger than other contemporary aircraft you'll face from 9.7-11.7. The fuel tanks are located close to the center of the fuselage, meaning that most rounds that connect with your aircraft will likely cause you to burn up. The engine is also massive and fragile, meaning that even a glancing blow from an enemy's gun can critically damage your engine.
Flight characteristics are also heavily damaged with even minor damage to the wings, particularly if the damage is uneven, greatly increasing the chances of getting into a irrecoverable flat spin. As with most aircraft of the BR, you will not be able to survive a missile if it comes into contact with your aircraft.
Modifications and economy
Armaments
Ballistic Computer | |||
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CCIP (Guns) | CCIP (Rockets) | CCIP (Bombs) | CCRP (Bombs) |
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Offensive armament
The Saab J35XS is armed with:
- 1 x 30 mm Akan m/55 cannon, wing-mounted (120 rpg)
- 12 x large calibre countermeasures
Suspended armament
The Saab J35XS can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | ||
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m/56D rockets | 4, 6 | 4, 6 | |||||||
srak m/57B rockets | 19 | 19 | 19 | 19 | |||||
RB24 missiles | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | |||
RB24J missiles | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | |||
510 l drop tanks | 1 | 1 |
Default weapon presets | |
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Usage in battles
The J35XS is played as a very capable dogfighter/interceptor in War Thunder. At it's BR, it gets a set of 6 x RB-24J air to air missiles (AIM-9J), that even while only rear aspect, have a good range and decent acceleration, as well as the ability to pull 20Gs maximum. Not only that, the aircraft gets a powerful radar with a maximum of 90KM of detection range and 45KM for lock range.
The J35XS also features an IRST, a rare sight in jets, and even rarer below 11.0. IRST stands for Infrared Search and Track and allows to detect infrared signals from rear and front aspect, and locking them. Unlike SARH, this mode does not have an IFF system, which means that it cant identify if the aircraft locked/detected is an ally or an enemy. This can prove very dangerous in Simulator Battles, when it's not possible identifying if an aircraft is allied or not at long ranges. Still, a good combination in these situations is using the IRST in close ranges while using the radar at long ranges, this will ensure that the enemy aircrafts is not warned if you are locked using the IRST. Apart from that, you can use the IRST to lock missiles easier and shoot them while maneuvering and maintaining the lock.
The J35XS has a limited fuel load of 20 minutes, and while the afterburner is not very fuel hungry, it will still leave you without fuel in EC maps if not careful. Without the afterburner you will top at Mach 0.96 with 100% thrust. You will also loose a lot of speed while turning, of course, this means that you can pull very tight turns and surprise your opponents with shots or missile launches. One of the biggest inconvenience with the J35XS is the cannon placement, while the cannon is has decent damage, the offset gun makes aiming very hard and lining up shots rather difficult, it's recommended playing a little in AB matches to get used to how your gun behaves, before participating in RB or SB.
The aircraft has access to only two air to ground options, the M/56D and M/57B rockets, the M/56D is the only useful against ground targets, since it has a HEAT warhead with good penetration values, but it's quite heavy and slow. The 57B in the other hand uses a HE warhead, but it's too small, with only 15mm of penetration and 1.14kgs of explosive mass, that wont kill anything at high BRs even with a direct hit.
Pros and cons
Pros:
- Good speed
- Effective high calibre flares/chaffs
- Great turn rate at medium - low speeds
- Strong in a downtier
- Has IRST
- 6 sub-optimal missiles
Cons:
- Bleeds a lot of speed during sustained turns
- Janky gun placement makes it hard to aim
- Horrible performance in uptiers
- Very limited count of flares/chaffs
- Average turn speed above ~900 km/h
- No RWR
History
Finland obtained the Swedish SAAB J35 Draken in 1970, as part of a collaboration between the two countries so that Sweden could provide the Finnish Air Force with J35 aircrafts of different variants. At the beginning Finland only received second hand models like the J35F, J35B and SK35C. However the J35XS variant was made by Finnish request and built as a kit assembled by Valmet in Finland. Valmet was also allowed to produce the spare parts for this aircrafts. The XS stands for Export Suomi (Export Finland).
The J35XS was highly based on the F variant, and could be considered an intermediate step between the more advanced J35J and the J35F. The new aircraft, fitted more weapon pylons, a better countermeasure suit and different radar model.
The Draken was flown by the Finnish Air Force alongside the Soviet Mig-21, because of logistics, all SAAB J35s in Finland, including the J35XS, had the ability to use the soviet made R-13M1, that was quite different to the R-60s used by soviet aircrafts by that point. Finland also acquired the Falcon missiles (RB-27) and the RB-28 to be used in their brand new Draken fighters.
For the J35XS, it was sometimes also referred as J35S or DKS 35 (DK stands for Draken, but for practical reasons most of the time they remained in service with the Swedish prefixes). At the beginning, only the second hand J35s were delivered, but because of their lack of countermeasures and/or electronics, Finland requested the production of the J35XS, that was tested on trials in 1974 after being completed by Valmet (designation DK-201). Piloted by Swedish SAAB test pilot KG Liljeqvist, the XS results were successful and soon the total of 12 units were assembled by Sweden.
Media
- Skins
- Images
- Videos
See also
- Related development
External links
- [Wikipedia] Saab 35 Draken
- [Aeroseum] J 35 flying overseas
- [Milavia] SAAB J 35 Draken - MILAVIA Aircraft
- [Pickled Wings] SAAB J-35 DRAKEN – THE SCANDINAVIAN SURPRISE
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SA 'Jaktfalken' | J6B |
SAAB 17 | B17A · B17B · S17BS |
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