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=== Flight Performance ===
 
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The MD 452 IIc has very underwhelming performance. At a battle rating of 8.7, it doesn't stand much of a chance compared to other 8.7s like the Swift F7, MiG 15 Bis or the F86 A5 Sabre. The acceleration is sub-par and the top speed is ok for an 8.7 aircraft. Turning will lose a lot of energy and it's the last thing you want to do in the MD 452 IIc. However, the roll rate is exceptional and can almost be compared to the Sabres roll rate.  
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At a battle rating of 8.3,the MD.452 IIC is something of a jack of all trades. It's flight performances are balanced, if a bit slow to accelerate. The roll rate is excellent at medium to high speeds (550 - 900 km/h), giving the type many options for evasive manoeuvers, and although energy-bleeding, the turn rate is good, against most enemies.The two fast firing 30 mm DEFA canons also compose a tremendously high firepower, if used with the correct type of ammunition.  
  
 
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* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 541 cannons, nose-mounted (150 RPG) = 300 total)
 
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The two cannons are arranged in the belly portion of the fuselage exiting the aircraft just before the pilot's location. Each is armed with the same amount of ammunition, which means that both guns will fire with each other until empty.
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The two cannons are arranged in the belly portion of the fuselage exiting the aircraft just before the pilot's location. Each is armed with the same amount of ammunition, which means that both guns will fire with each other until empty..
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This aircraft is the first of the french jets to use 30mm DEFA canons, wich are as of yet (feb. 2020), the best 30mm guns in the game, with the highest shell velocity, RoF, and gun reliability. While the default ammunition is underwhelming, the air-target ammunition will shred enemy fighters with a single or a couple of shells. Heavier targets might need 3-5 hits to loose a wing.
  
 
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* 2 x 1,000 lb AN-M65A1 Fin M129 bombs
 
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* 38 x SNEB Type 23 rockets
 
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The ordinance if the Mystère II.C give it the ability to engage ground targets, but limits greatly it's manoeuvrability and should generally not be used in air RB except as a late game last resort. In mixed battles, the SNEB rockets can be an excellent anti-tank weapon for CAS, and the aircraft inserts well in the french 8.3 line-up.
  
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
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The M.D.452 IIC offers better ordinance than it's an earlier in-game variant, the IIA. This makes it more effective during tank realistic battle and allows use as a fighter-bomber in air realistic battles. It is generally more manoeuvrable than most other contemporary aircraft it faces, the only ones you would have a tough time turning with at this battle rating would be any of the Sabres. Since its roll rate is comparable to the Sabre's once the "New Boosters" modification is installed, it opens up the playing field a bit more.
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The Mystère II.C is generally more manoeuvrable than most other contemporary aircraft it faces, the only ones you would have a tough time turning with at this battle rating would be any of the Sabres. Since its roll rate is comparable to the Sabre's once the "New Boosters" modification is installed.  
  
 
===Modules===
 
===Modules===

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This page is about the French jet fighter M.D.452 IIC. For the other version, see M.D.452 IIA.

Description

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The M.D.452 Mystere IIC pre-production is a rank V French jet fighter with a battle rating of 8.7 (AB/SB) and 8.3 (RB). This aircraft was introduced in Update 1.77 "Advancing Storm".

General info

Flight Performance

At a battle rating of 8.3,the MD.452 IIC is something of a jack of all trades. It's flight performances are balanced, if a bit slow to accelerate. The roll rate is excellent at medium to high speeds (550 - 900 km/h), giving the type many options for evasive manoeuvers, and although energy-bleeding, the turn rate is good, against most enemies.The two fast firing 30 mm DEFA canons also compose a tremendously high firepower, if used with the correct type of ammunition.

Characteristics
Stock
Max Speed (km/h at Sea level) Max altitude
(meters)
Turn time
(seconds)
Rate of climb
(meters/second)
Take-off run
(meters)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
1,036 1,027 13000 26.4 27.0 33.3 31.6 800
Upgraded
Max Speed
(km/h at Sea level)
Max altitude (meters) Turn time (seconds) Rate of climb
(meters/second)
Take-off run (meters)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
 ?  ? 13000  ??.?  ??.?  ?.?  ?.? 800

Details

Features
Combat flap Take-off flap Landing flap Air brakes Arrestor gear
X
Limits
Wing-break speed
(km/h)
Gear limit
(km/h)
Combat flap
(km/h)
Max Static G
+ -
 ??? 445  ??? 11.5 3.7
Optimal velocities
Ailerons
(km/h)
Rudder
(km/h)
Elevators
(km/h)
Radiator
(km/h)
< ??? < ??? < ??? > ???

Survivability and armour

  • 40 mm Bulletproof glass in front of the pilot
  • 13.5 mm Steel plate around the bottom of the cockpit, front and rear
  • 13.5 mm Steel plate behind the pilot

Armaments

Offensive armament

Main article: DEFA 541 (30 mm)

The M.D.452 IIC is armed with:

  • 2 x 30 mm DEFA 541 cannons, nose-mounted (150 RPG) = 300 total)

The two cannons are arranged in the belly portion of the fuselage exiting the aircraft just before the pilot's location. Each is armed with the same amount of ammunition, which means that both guns will fire with each other until empty..

This aircraft is the first of the french jets to use 30mm DEFA canons, wich are as of yet (feb. 2020), the best 30mm guns in the game, with the highest shell velocity, RoF, and gun reliability. While the default ammunition is underwhelming, the air-target ammunition will shred enemy fighters with a single or a couple of shells. Heavier targets might need 3-5 hits to loose a wing.

Suspended armament

The M.D.452 IIC utilize external pylons to carry various configurations of:

  • None
  • 2 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 bombs
  • 2 x 1,000 lb AN-M65A1 Fin M129 bombs
  • 38 x SNEB Type 23 rockets

The ordinance if the Mystère II.C give it the ability to engage ground targets, but limits greatly it's manoeuvrability and should generally not be used in air RB except as a late game last resort. In mixed battles, the SNEB rockets can be an excellent anti-tank weapon for CAS, and the aircraft inserts well in the french 8.3 line-up.

Usage in battles

The Mystère II.C is generally more manoeuvrable than most other contemporary aircraft it faces, the only ones you would have a tough time turning with at this battle rating would be any of the Sabres. Since its roll rate is comparable to the Sabre's once the "New Boosters" modification is installed.

Modules

Tier Flight performance Survivability Weaponry
IA Fuselage Repair Offensive 30 mm belts
II New Boosters/Compressor Air frame SBC-17 (500lb bombs) x2
III Wing Repair/Engine New 30 mm cannons/ LBC-25 (1000lb bombs x2
IV G-suit Cover Matra SNEB Rockets x38

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Excellent armament of 2 x 30 mm DEFA cannons (higher muzzle velocity and RoF than the ADEN cannon)
  • High roll rate, matches the Sabre's roll rate with "New boosters" modification installed
  • Good turn rate between 550 kph and 700 kph
  • Decent climb rate
  • Payloads can include bombs or rockets
  • More effective air brake than its predecessors
  • A lot of ammo for only 2 x 30 mm DEFA cannons
  • Guns being mounted under the nose makes it easy to head on planes upside down
  • DEFA cannons can easily down a plane with 4 or 5 HE rounds striking

Cons:

  • Slow compared to other contemporary aircraft
  • Poor horizontal energy retention compared to its predecessors
  • Fragile; a few hits of enemy fire will make controlling the aircraft more difficult
  • Sub-par performance compared to other contemporary jets like the MiG-15 Bis and Swift F7

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See also

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