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| − | The armour of this vehicle | + | The armour of this vehicle should not be relied on. |
For the hull, the bulletproof glass in front of the driver cannot stop even 12.7 mm from 500 m away, and the driver compartment is not sealed away from the turret crew, so it's easy to directly machine gun the secondary ammo rack, as well as overpressure the entire tank with anything besides maybe small HEAT-FS from the front. Even the engine seal is not strong enough to protect gunner and commander from big shell debris, so it's entirely up to luck if the tank survives any hull hits at all, even from the front. Since the turret crew sits very high, sometimes the internal screen will prevent 20 and 30 mm autocannons from instantly blowing them up, giving them a split second to turn the gun onto offending light tank / SPAA before they decided to unload into the turret. Due to hull being only 12 mm thick against modern APHE, it usually will not detonate on hull hit unless the commander is exceptionally unlucky and the shell landed at an odd angle. This fact still won't save the turret crew if APHE flies straight into the turret direction, being fired from low ground or for any other reason. | For the hull, the bulletproof glass in front of the driver cannot stop even 12.7 mm from 500 m away, and the driver compartment is not sealed away from the turret crew, so it's easy to directly machine gun the secondary ammo rack, as well as overpressure the entire tank with anything besides maybe small HEAT-FS from the front. Even the engine seal is not strong enough to protect gunner and commander from big shell debris, so it's entirely up to luck if the tank survives any hull hits at all, even from the front. Since the turret crew sits very high, sometimes the internal screen will prevent 20 and 30 mm autocannons from instantly blowing them up, giving them a split second to turn the gun onto offending light tank / SPAA before they decided to unload into the turret. Due to hull being only 12 mm thick against modern APHE, it usually will not detonate on hull hit unless the commander is exceptionally unlucky and the shell landed at an odd angle. This fact still won't save the turret crew if APHE flies straight into the turret direction, being fired from low ground or for any other reason. | ||
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Against all odds, this tank is a rather good first vehicle on hilly and somewhat open maps. While it doesn't have any armour, players really hate to fire on the move while moving towards their first objective, so on medium to small maps, you can easily send 1 to 3 people back to the spawn while driving to the capture or vantage point of choice simply because the truck is absolutely stable and the gun is easy to aim after minimal practice. This initial assault is particularly effective against teams mainly consisting of Soviet or Chinese tanks, as they are way less compatible with hills due to their issues with gun depression and are unlikely to hunker down and snipe you from the very start. Any other targets can be scouted for free points and cover from your teammates. | Against all odds, this tank is a rather good first vehicle on hilly and somewhat open maps. While it doesn't have any armour, players really hate to fire on the move while moving towards their first objective, so on medium to small maps, you can easily send 1 to 3 people back to the spawn while driving to the capture or vantage point of choice simply because the truck is absolutely stable and the gun is easy to aim after minimal practice. This initial assault is particularly effective against teams mainly consisting of Soviet or Chinese tanks, as they are way less compatible with hills due to their issues with gun depression and are unlikely to hunker down and snipe you from the very start. Any other targets can be scouted for free points and cover from your teammates. | ||
| − | After initial encounter, finding a good position to prevent enemies from encroaching around your capture point is generally the best choice. While the truck doesn't have cover abuse ability to an extent seen on the ZT3A2, it can use some shallow ridges as a sniping point instead of cover. Even just parking in the middle of some random river may work (it swims and can snipe!), as nobody will be watching out that kind of ambush. While having nothing to do (or if your teammates ask for it), the scouting drone should be used to evaluate the map situation (if you are driving somewhere, use cruise control to keep the tank driving forward). Since the drone of this tank has thermal vision (no one else has this ability yet), it is extremely valuable and will make finding enemy tanks trivial. If in an uptier, try to avoid losing it to the IR missiles of SPAA such as Soviet Strela or German Ozelot | + | After initial encounter, finding a good position to prevent enemies from encroaching around your capture point is generally the best choice. While the truck doesn't have cover abuse ability to an extent seen on the ZT3A2, it can use some shallow ridges as a sniping point instead of cover. Even just parking in the middle of some random river may work (it swims and can snipe!), as nobody will be watching out that kind of ambush. While having nothing to do (or if your teammates ask for it), the scouting drone should be used to evaluate the map situation (if you are driving somewhere, use cruise control to keep the tank driving forward). Since the drone of this tank has thermal vision (no one else has this ability yet), it is extremely valuable and will make finding enemy tanks trivial. If in an uptier, try to avoid losing it to the VT ammunition or to IR missiles of SPAA such as Soviet Strela or German Ozelot. |
If extremely bored by passive gameplay, or pushed hard, the tank can even use other tanks as cover to annoy enemy ever harder despite an abundance of APFSDS at the tier that can overpenetrate tanks, since the turret crew is sitting pretty high and the hull is mostly empty if low ammunition amount was taken, so even if enemy obliterates your teammate and hits you as well, you may not even care about it (as most lethal hits will be aimed at your ally, which is generally too low). In fact, it is extremely beneficial to team up with certain tough tanks to become a "double turreted monster" that repairs at ludicrous speeds and double taps anyone with lethal APFSDS before they can even drive out of cover properly. Be wary of any flanks from the side when employing such tactics and remember about your own vulnerability to any chemical shells. Being in a squad with the said teammate will also give you extra spawn points (or bomber points in AB) when they blow up things scouted by you, and being in a voice chat with them, or at least informing them of what you are doing will also increase your overall performance (for example, a person that is not even cooperating with you willingly might backpedal into you instead of letting you repair them, dooming you both, then say mean things about you in chat for "interfering" with their retreat). | If extremely bored by passive gameplay, or pushed hard, the tank can even use other tanks as cover to annoy enemy ever harder despite an abundance of APFSDS at the tier that can overpenetrate tanks, since the turret crew is sitting pretty high and the hull is mostly empty if low ammunition amount was taken, so even if enemy obliterates your teammate and hits you as well, you may not even care about it (as most lethal hits will be aimed at your ally, which is generally too low). In fact, it is extremely beneficial to team up with certain tough tanks to become a "double turreted monster" that repairs at ludicrous speeds and double taps anyone with lethal APFSDS before they can even drive out of cover properly. Be wary of any flanks from the side when employing such tactics and remember about your own vulnerability to any chemical shells. Being in a squad with the said teammate will also give you extra spawn points (or bomber points in AB) when they blow up things scouted by you, and being in a voice chat with them, or at least informing them of what you are doing will also increase your overall performance (for example, a person that is not even cooperating with you willingly might backpedal into you instead of letting you repair them, dooming you both, then say mean things about you in chat for "interfering" with their retreat). | ||
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'''Pros:''' | '''Pros:''' | ||
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| − | + | *Has a laser rangefinder | |
| − | + | *Its scouting drone has thermal scope, which is normally only seen at higher rank battles/vehicles | |
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*Generally cannot drive faster than its stabilizer can handle, letting it to retaliate against sudden attacks at any moment | *Generally cannot drive faster than its stabilizer can handle, letting it to retaliate against sudden attacks at any moment | ||
| + | *Very tall and can use some more obscure vantage points, including other tanks | ||
*Technically can survive a hull hit from APFSDS tanks and technically can sustain autocannon attack from the front for a second | *Technically can survive a hull hit from APFSDS tanks and technically can sustain autocannon attack from the front for a second | ||
| + | *Stable enough to snipe off water | ||
'''Cons:''' | '''Cons:''' | ||
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| + | *Ineffective firepower at its BR when stock, initially armed only with HEAT-FS and unreliable HESH | ||
*The armour will only protect from frontal threats, and only until they realize that hitting the turret is the way to go | *The armour will only protect from frontal threats, and only until they realize that hitting the turret is the way to go | ||
| − | + | *Literally no protection from overpressure, might only sustain HEAT-FS by random chance | |
| − | + | *The gun does not have an autoloader like Rooikats, so rushing forward in this tank is a very questionable move despite its spaced interiour | |
*No thermal scope in the gunner seat, user really has to multitask between the drone and tank, use cruise control, etc | *No thermal scope in the gunner seat, user really has to multitask between the drone and tank, use cruise control, etc | ||
*Only reaches its top speed on a road and is rather slow otherwise | *Only reaches its top speed on a road and is rather slow otherwise | ||
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== Media == | == Media == | ||
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* ''other literature.'' --> | * ''other literature.'' --> | ||
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{{Britain light tanks}} | {{Britain light tanks}} | ||
[[Category:Wheeled ground vehicles]] | [[Category:Wheeled ground vehicles]] | ||
Latest revision as of 22:02, 8 June 2024
Contents
Description
The Vickers Mk.11 is a rank VI British light tank with a battle rating of 8.7 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update "Kings of Battle". This is more of a sniper tank with abilities of a scout, retaining bus-like behaviour of Ratel 90 and G6, rather than opting for the shock-and-awe fighting style like the Rooikat Mk.1D.
General info
Survivability and armour
The armour of this vehicle should not be relied on.
For the hull, the bulletproof glass in front of the driver cannot stop even 12.7 mm from 500 m away, and the driver compartment is not sealed away from the turret crew, so it's easy to directly machine gun the secondary ammo rack, as well as overpressure the entire tank with anything besides maybe small HEAT-FS from the front. Even the engine seal is not strong enough to protect gunner and commander from big shell debris, so it's entirely up to luck if the tank survives any hull hits at all, even from the front. Since the turret crew sits very high, sometimes the internal screen will prevent 20 and 30 mm autocannons from instantly blowing them up, giving them a split second to turn the gun onto offending light tank / SPAA before they decided to unload into the turret. Due to hull being only 12 mm thick against modern APHE, it usually will not detonate on hull hit unless the commander is exceptionally unlucky and the shell landed at an odd angle. This fact still won't save the turret crew if APHE flies straight into the turret direction, being fired from low ground or for any other reason.
The turret armour is not much better than the hull. While it's extremely difficult to machine gun it, there are no additional screens and a lot of holes in defences, so in general any SPAA will easily shred the turret crew by firing in it's general direction. Any APDS armed autocannon tank will be able to double tap the tank's turret crew from pretty much any range. Any big explosives will implode the tank here even if they land on engine side of the roof. Even HEAT can implode the tank if they land on the very top of the roof. Should the tank crew survive due to the AB rules or due to extreme luck, there are still irremovable ammo racks in the back of the turret, which can also explode.
The smoke launchers are mounted on the turret and can cover 180 degree sector twice (fire smoke 3 times to do this). It's possible to make a 360 degree smoke by firing smoke while spinning the turret around.
Armour type:
| Armour | Front (Slope angle) | Sides | Rear | Roof |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Hull | ___ mm | ___ mm Top ___ mm Bottom |
___ mm | ___ - ___ mm |
| Turret | ___ - ___ mm Turret front ___ mm Gun mantlet |
___ - ___ mm | ___ - ___ mm | ___ - ___ mm |
| Cupola | ___ mm | ___ mm | ___ mm | ___ mm |
Notes:
Mobility
This tank-truck is about 20% slower than Rooikats, and offroad it generally drives at 65 km/h. What's good about this, is that it is unlikely to drive faster than its stabilizer can handle in RB, allowing the user to fire on a move without thinking about slowing down. What is bad about this, is that it only reaches advertised speed on roads and thus cannot compete with many light tanks for being first on point, nor is it really faster than any medium tank, much like the Ratels.
The truck has no neutral steering and its turning circle is quite wide, much like with other British wheeled tanks.
Surprisingly, despite its size the tank can swim at 5 km/h speed. It is also extremely stable during this, allowing the tank to accurately snipe off water, which is quite rare.
| Game Mode | Max Speed (km/h) | Weight (tons) | Engine power (horsepower) | Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton) | |||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Forward | Reverse | Stock | Upgraded | Stock | Upgraded | ||
| Arcade | 117 | 12 | 20 | 379 | 668 | 18.95 | 33.4 |
| Realistic | 106 | 10 | 310 | 350 | 15.5 | 17.5 | |
Modifications and economy
| Mobility | Protection | Firepower | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Armaments
Main armament
The gun is one of the main features of this tank-truck, although it also has its disadvantages. At first it only fires a rather underwhelming HEAT-FS and the default British HESH, but by the end of the research it can carry APFSDS with very high angled penetration, without having to face the tanks that carry the same shells.
The gun cannot aim backwards, so letting enemy behind the truck is not acceptable. If engine was taken out during a drive-by in a city, turning the truck around with its remaining momentum to fire broadside is a decent idea.
The HEAT-FS rarely blows up even Soviet fuel tanks completely, so aiming directly at the crew or unprotected ammo racks is recommended at first.
The tank has no thermal scope, so it has to rely on its scouting drone to search for enemies. This drone does have thermal camera, unlike any other light tanks around.
Tank has laser rangefinder, which can be used through commander scope to easily land over hill shots at 700 m range, even off water. Due to the truck being rather tall, it also can fire over more cover than other tanks, though not to a degree of the British ATGM carriers of this era.
Finally, the reload rate is rather slow at 8.7, but the gun is not on autoloader, so by raising the crew skill it's possible to reach about 7.1 reload rate on expert crew and 6.7 on ace crew. Obviously, if the loader is hit or replacing other crew members, then reload rate reduces severely.
| 105 mm LRF | Turret rotation speed (°/s) | Reloading rate (seconds) | |||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Mode | Capacity | Vertical | Horizontal | Stabilizer | Stock | Upgraded | Full | Expert | Aced | Stock | Full | Expert | Aced |
| Arcade | 31 | -10°/+20° | ±180° | Two-plane | 38.1 | 52.7 | 64.0 | 70.8 | 75.3 | 8.71 | 7.70 | 7.10 | 6.70 |
| Realistic | 23.8 | 28.0 | 34.0 | 37.6 | 40.0 | ||||||||
Ammunition
| Penetration statistics | |||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ammunition | Type of warhead |
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm) | |||||
| 10 m | 100 m | 500 m | 1,000 m | 1,500 m | 2,000 m | ||
| M456A2 | HEATFS | 400 | 400 | 400 | 400 | 400 | 400 |
| M393A2 | HESH | 127 | 127 | 127 | 127 | 127 | 127 |
| C76A1 | APFSDS | 353 | 349 | 342 | 333 | 324 | 314 |
| Shell details | ||||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ammunition | Type of warhead |
Velocity (m/s) |
Projectile mass (kg) |
Fuse delay (m) |
Fuse sensitivity (mm) |
Explosive mass (TNT equivalent) (kg) |
Ricochet | |||||
| 0% | 50% | 100% | ||||||||||
| M456A2 | HEATFS | 1,174 | 10.5 | 0.05 | 0.1 | 1.27 | 65° | 72° | 77° | |||
| M393A2 | HESH | 732 | 11.2 | 0.1 | 4 | 4.31 | 73° | 77° | 80° | |||
| C76A1 | APFSDS | 1,509 | 3.6 | - | - | - | 78° | 80° | 81° | |||
Ammo racks
| Full ammo |
1st rack empty |
2nd rack empty |
3rd rack empty |
4th rack empty |
5th rack empty |
6th rack empty |
Visual discrepancy |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 31 | __ (+__) | __ (+__) | __ (+__) | __ (+__) | __ (+__) | __ (+__) | __ |
By taking out 12 shells (19 left) you can remove the bottom ammo rack, which is generally not going to help much. By taking out another 6 (13 left), you can remove the vertical ammo rack that can be machinegunned by 12.7 mm and/or hit by kinetic shells through the left driver window, making the tank much safer. Do note that the last shell from that ammo rack is loaded into the gun and might appear again if cannon is broken while simultaneously rearming on a capture point.
Machine guns
The machine gun can help when using HEAT-FS by removing bushes and flimsy fences, which makes the truck slightly better in some situations than stock Rooikat MTTD.
| 7.62 mm L8A2 | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Mount | Capacity (Belt) | Fire rate | Vertical | Horizontal |
| Coaxial | 4,600 (200) | 600 | - | - |
Usage in battles
Against all odds, this tank is a rather good first vehicle on hilly and somewhat open maps. While it doesn't have any armour, players really hate to fire on the move while moving towards their first objective, so on medium to small maps, you can easily send 1 to 3 people back to the spawn while driving to the capture or vantage point of choice simply because the truck is absolutely stable and the gun is easy to aim after minimal practice. This initial assault is particularly effective against teams mainly consisting of Soviet or Chinese tanks, as they are way less compatible with hills due to their issues with gun depression and are unlikely to hunker down and snipe you from the very start. Any other targets can be scouted for free points and cover from your teammates.
After initial encounter, finding a good position to prevent enemies from encroaching around your capture point is generally the best choice. While the truck doesn't have cover abuse ability to an extent seen on the ZT3A2, it can use some shallow ridges as a sniping point instead of cover. Even just parking in the middle of some random river may work (it swims and can snipe!), as nobody will be watching out that kind of ambush. While having nothing to do (or if your teammates ask for it), the scouting drone should be used to evaluate the map situation (if you are driving somewhere, use cruise control to keep the tank driving forward). Since the drone of this tank has thermal vision (no one else has this ability yet), it is extremely valuable and will make finding enemy tanks trivial. If in an uptier, try to avoid losing it to the VT ammunition or to IR missiles of SPAA such as Soviet Strela or German Ozelot.
If extremely bored by passive gameplay, or pushed hard, the tank can even use other tanks as cover to annoy enemy ever harder despite an abundance of APFSDS at the tier that can overpenetrate tanks, since the turret crew is sitting pretty high and the hull is mostly empty if low ammunition amount was taken, so even if enemy obliterates your teammate and hits you as well, you may not even care about it (as most lethal hits will be aimed at your ally, which is generally too low). In fact, it is extremely beneficial to team up with certain tough tanks to become a "double turreted monster" that repairs at ludicrous speeds and double taps anyone with lethal APFSDS before they can even drive out of cover properly. Be wary of any flanks from the side when employing such tactics and remember about your own vulnerability to any chemical shells. Being in a squad with the said teammate will also give you extra spawn points (or bomber points in AB) when they blow up things scouted by you, and being in a voice chat with them, or at least informing them of what you are doing will also increase your overall performance (for example, a person that is not even cooperating with you willingly might backpedal into you instead of letting you repair them, dooming you both, then say mean things about you in chat for "interfering" with their retreat).
Pros and cons
Pros:
- Has a laser rangefinder
- Its scouting drone has thermal scope, which is normally only seen at higher rank battles/vehicles
- Generally cannot drive faster than its stabilizer can handle, letting it to retaliate against sudden attacks at any moment
- Very tall and can use some more obscure vantage points, including other tanks
- Technically can survive a hull hit from APFSDS tanks and technically can sustain autocannon attack from the front for a second
- Stable enough to snipe off water
Cons:
- Ineffective firepower at its BR when stock, initially armed only with HEAT-FS and unreliable HESH
- The armour will only protect from frontal threats, and only until they realize that hitting the turret is the way to go
- Literally no protection from overpressure, might only sustain HEAT-FS by random chance
- The gun does not have an autoloader like Rooikats, so rushing forward in this tank is a very questionable move despite its spaced interiour
- No thermal scope in the gunner seat, user really has to multitask between the drone and tank, use cruise control, etc
- Only reaches its top speed on a road and is rather slow otherwise
- No neutral steering, so it will be very awkward to fix minor positional mistakes while on a hill
History
Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History) and add a link to it here using the main template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <ref></ref>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <references />. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under === In-game description ===, also if applicable).
Media
- Skins
- Videos
See also
- Other vehicles of similar configuration and role
External links
| Britain light tanks | |
|---|---|
| A13 | A13 Mk I · A13 Mk I (3rd R.T.R.) · A13 Mk II · A13 Mk II 1939 |
| A15 | Crusader II · Crusader "The Saint" · Crusader III |
| A17 | Tetrarch I |
| IFV | Warrior · Desert Warrior (Kuwait) |
| Wheeled | Daimler Mk II · AEC Mk II · Fox · Vickers Mk.11 |
| Other | VFM5 |
| South Africa | |
| SARC | SARC MkIVa · SARC MkVI (2pdr) · SARC MkVI (6pdr) |
| Ratel | Ratel 90 · Ratel 20 |
| Rooikat | Rooikat Mk.1D · Rooikat 105 · Rooikat MTTD |
| Other | Concept 3 · Eland 90 Mk.7 |
| USA | Stuart I · Stuart III |
