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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium gift rank {{Specs|rank}} British destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced as a [[wt:en/news/5810-fleet-news-what-awaits-us-in-update-1-83-masters-of-the-sea-en|premium pack]] in [[Update 1.83 "Masters of the Sea"]] as part of the British fleet closed beta test and was removed from the store after the [[wt:en/news/6464-shop-war-thunder-birthday-sale-en|2019 Anniversary sale]]. It was made available for purchase with Golden Eagles {{ge}} in-game briefly during the [[wt:en/news/8296-special-decal-and-destroyer-for-canadian-armed-forces-day-en|2023 "Canadian Armed Forces Day"]] mini-event.
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The '''HMCS Haida (41)''' is a member of the Tribal-class destroyers, named after the Haida tribe. She was a member of the Canadian Navy from 1943 to 1963, serving in both World War II and the Korean War. The HMCS Haida, as the only surviving Tribal-class destroyer out of 27 vessels, sank more enemy surface tonnage than any other Canadian vessel and is thus known as the "Fightingest Ship in the Royal Canadian Navy". She was designated a National Historic Site of Canada in 1984 and now serves as a museum ship in Hamilton, Ontario, next to HMCS Star, an active Royal Canadian Naval Reserve Division. The HMCS Haida was named the Canadian Navy's ceremonial flagship in 2018.
  
The Haida is a Tribal-class destroyer in Canadian service, that has a unique layout of her primary, secondary and tertiary weaponry.
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Introduced in [[Update 1.83 "Masters of the Sea"]] as a [[wt:en/news/5810-fleet-news-what-awaits-us-in-update-1-83-masters-of-the-sea-en|premium pack]] as part of the British fleet closed beta test, the HMCS Haida is a powerful destroyer, equipped with lethal anti-aircraft armaments and powerful torpedoes. Players should use its powerful ammunition to engage enemy destroyers and cover allies with its excellent anti-aircraft capability. However, in comparison to many other destroyers, its speed remains below average. This, combined with the subpar muzzle velocity of its main armaments, makes engaging targets at long range difficult.
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'''''Other Canadian naval vehicles present in the game'''''
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Latest revision as of 12:31, 16 February 2024

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This page is about the British destroyer HMCS Haida. For other Tribal-class destroyers, see Tribal (Family).
HMCS Haida
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Description

The HMCS Haida (41) is a member of the Tribal-class destroyers, named after the Haida tribe. She was a member of the Canadian Navy from 1943 to 1963, serving in both World War II and the Korean War. The HMCS Haida, as the only surviving Tribal-class destroyer out of 27 vessels, sank more enemy surface tonnage than any other Canadian vessel and is thus known as the "Fightingest Ship in the Royal Canadian Navy". She was designated a National Historic Site of Canada in 1984 and now serves as a museum ship in Hamilton, Ontario, next to HMCS Star, an active Royal Canadian Naval Reserve Division. The HMCS Haida was named the Canadian Navy's ceremonial flagship in 2018.

Introduced in Update 1.83 "Masters of the Sea" as a premium pack as part of the British fleet closed beta test, the HMCS Haida is a powerful destroyer, equipped with lethal anti-aircraft armaments and powerful torpedoes. Players should use its powerful ammunition to engage enemy destroyers and cover allies with its excellent anti-aircraft capability. However, in comparison to many other destroyers, its speed remains below average. This, combined with the subpar muzzle velocity of its main armaments, makes engaging targets at long range difficult.

The HMCS Haida was removed from the store after the 2019 Anniversary sale. It has been made available for purchase with Golden Eagles Ge icon.png in-game briefly during the 2023 "Canadian Armed Forces Day" and "Trafalgar Day" mini-events.

General info

Survivability and armour

Armourfront / side / back
Main fire tower3 / 3 / 0 mm
Hull16 mm (steel)
Superstructure4 mm (steel)
Number of section7
Displacement2 519 t
Crew293 people

The HMCS Haida is like most destroyers in the game; thin armour, good mobility and respectable firepower. The destroyer has 10 to 23 mm of hull armour all around and 3 mm of anti-fragmentation armour protecting the 120 mm main battery guns. The 40 mm 2-Pounder "Pom-Pom" and 20 mm Oerlikon anti-aircraft guns are protected by 12.7 mm of hardened steel.

Mobility

Speedforward / back
AB82 / 31 km/h
RB67 / 25 km/h

The Haida is by no means a slow ship. She is able to reach a top speed of 35.6 knots, but she is slower when compared to similar destroyers such as Leningrad, Fletcher, the Type 1936 / Type 1936B or even the Type 1934A. However, the rudder shift is very responsive with a shift time of around 2 seconds. This allows HMCS Haida to dodge its way through gunfights or during air attacks.

Mobility Characteristics
Game Mode Upgrade Status Maximum Speed (km/h) Turn Time (s) Turn Radius (m)
Forward Reverse
AB Stock ___ ___
Upgraded 82 31
RB/SB Stock ___ ___
Upgraded 67 25

Modifications and economy

Repair cost
AB2 229 Sl icon.png
RB3 052 Sl icon.png
Crew training10 000 Sl icon.png
Experts290 000 Sl icon.png
Aces700 Ge icon.png
Research Aces790 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
Talisman.png 2 × 270 / 600 / 50 % Sl icon.png
Talisman.png 2 × 154 / 154 / 154 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Seakeeping Unsinkability Firepower
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Dry-Docking
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Rudder Replacement
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Propeller Replacement
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Engine Maintenance
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Damage Control Division
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Fire Division
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Smokescreen
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Shrapnel Protection
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Ventilation
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New Pumps
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Ammo Wetting
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102mm_uk_mkxvi_navy_SAP_ammo_pack
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Anti-Air Armament Targeting
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Auxiliary Armament Targeting
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Improved Rangefinder
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Improved Rangefinder
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102mm_uk_mkxvi_navy_he_radio_fuse_ammo_pack
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Primary Armament Targeting
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Torpedo Mode
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Bomb mortar

Armament

Primary armament

3 х Turret2 x 4.7 inch/45 Mk.XII cannon, CPXIX mounting
Ammunition400 rounds
Vertical guidance-10° / 40°

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Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
1,000 m 2,500 m 5,000 m 7,500 m 10,000 m 15,000 m
HE Mk.VIIA HE 35 35 35 35 35 35
SAP Mk.VA SAP 116 92 63 44 33 29
HE-TF Mk.VIIA HE-TF 35 35 35 35 35 35
HE-VT Mk.VIIA HE-VT 35 35 35 35 35 35
Shell details
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warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
mass (kg)
Fuse delay
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Fuse sensitivity
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Explosive mass
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Ricochet
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HE Mk.VIIA HE 808 22.68 0 0.1 3,000 79° 80° 81°
SAP Mk.VA SAP 808 22.68 0.015 5 900 47° 60° 65°
HE-TF Mk.VIIA HE-TF 808 22.68 0 0.1 3,000 79° 80° 81°
Proximity-fused shell details
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mass (kg)
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distance (m)
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radius (m)
Explosive mass
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Ricochet
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HE-VT Mk.VIIA HE-VT 808 22.68 0 0.1 244 23 3,000 79° 80° 81°

Secondary armament

Turret2 x 4 inch/45 Mark XVI cannon
Ammunition400 rounds

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Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
1,000 m 2,500 m 5,000 m 7,500 m 10,000 m 15,000 m
4 inch HE HE 20 20 20 20 20 20
4 inch SAP SAP 102 85 64 48 38 30
4 inch HE-TF HE-TF 20 20 20 20 20 20
4 inch HE-VT HE-VT 20 20 20 20 20 20
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(s)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
4 inch HE HE 811 15.88 0 0.1 1,550 79° 80° 81°
4 inch SAP SAP 811 17.35 0.015 5 600 47° 60° 65°
4 inch HE-TF HE-TF 811 15.88 0 0.1 1,550 79° 80° 81°
Proximity-fused shell details
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mass (kg)
Fuse delay
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distance (m)
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radius (m)
Explosive mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
4 inch HE-VT HE-VT 811 15.88 0 0.1 274 18 1,550 79° 80° 81°

Anti-aircraft armament

Turret4 x 40 mm 2pdr QF Mk.IIc automatic cannon
Ammunition8960 rounds
Belt capacity56 rounds
Fire rate200 shots/min
6 х Turret2 x 20 mm/70 Oerlikon Mark 24 autocannon
Ammunition3600 rounds
Belt capacity60 rounds
Fire rate450 shots/min

The Haida is no slouch when it comes to AAA batteries for a destroyer. She is armed with one quad 40 mm 2-Pounder "Pom-Pom" mount accompanied by six twin 20 mm Oerlikon mounts. These are also very useful for tearing apart enemy torpedo boats that happen to stray too close. In addition, the 102 mm secondary mount acts as a heavy AAA mount. The 102 mm mount can be armed with High Explosives with fuses set inside.

Additional armament

Setup 14 x 533 mm Mk.IX** torpedo
Setup 22 x Y-gun Mk.VII depth charge
Setup 34 x 533 mm Mk.IX** torpedo
2 x Y-gun Mk.VII depth charge

The Haida is also armed with a single quad 533 mm torpedo launcher. The torpedoes travel at a top speed of 39.1 knots and have a maximum range of 7.32 km. The torpedoes have an arming distance of 50 m, so be careful about the distance to the target. In addition, the torpedoes themselves pack a powerful punch, boasting a 327 kg warhead in each torpedo. There is a major factor that all players using either HMCS Haida or her non-premium counterpart- HMS Eskimo: the torpedo tubes have to be fired from nearly broadside angles, otherwise the torpedo tubes will be obstructed. Take care should you choose to fire your torpedoes.

Usage in battles

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Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Hard-hitting High-Explosive shells
  • Lethal AAA mounts for a destroyer
  • Relatively fast for her type
  • Excellent manoeuvrability
  • Powerful torpedo armaments

Cons:

  • Subpar speed compared to her counterparts of other nations
  • Muzzle velocity of the main cannons is sub-par when compared to those of German, Soviet and Japanese destroyers
  • Terrible torpedo firing arcs: a player must practically fire torpedoes from broadsides
  • AAA mounts tend to be lacking when compared to her American counterparts

History

HMCS Haida docked at Hamilton Harbour.

HMCS Haida is a destroyer of the Tribal class of destroyers built for the British, Canadian and Australian navies during World War II. Named after the Haida people, HMCS Haida was commissioned in 1943 and had a storied service career, sinking the most enemy ship tonnage out of all Canadian ships in the Second World War. As such, she was nicknamed "The Fightingest ship in the Canadian Navy". Haida saw service during the Korean war and was eventually decommissioned and turned into a museum ship. She is still a museum ship today, berthed in Hamilton Harbour, and serves as the ceremonial flagship of the Royal Canadian Navy (RCN).

Design and development

In the early 1940s, the British built the Tribal class jointly for their own navy and for the Canadian and Australian navies. The RCM ultimately settled on the Tribal class, as it was heavily armed and could essentially be used as a "small cruiser". In total the RCN ordered eight Tribal class destroyers, which were modified with a new ventilation system to make them more suited to the harsh conditions of Canadian winter service. Haida was built by Vickers Armstrong shipyards at Newcastle, and was commissioned by September 18th 1943.

Haida displaced 1959 tons standard and had a crew of 259 officers and men. Her main armament consisted of six 4.7-inch (119 mm) guns in three dual mounts, along with a secondary 4-inch (102 mm) dual mount. She had an anti-aircraft armament of 1 quadruple 40 mm 2-pounder Pom-Pom gun, as well as six 20 mm Oerlikon guns. She carried a single quadruple torpedo tube mounting, as well as depth charge racks to counter submarines. Powered by steam turbines, Haida could reach a maximum speed of 36.5 knots (68 km/h).

Operational history

After her commissioning, Haida was based from the British Home Fleet, and immediately partook in convoy escort duties. She was part of the escort screen for convoy JW 55 B, and escorted the convoy away from the battleship Scharnhorst which was then destroyed by British battleships. Haida was subsequently reassigned to perform coastal sweeps of the English channel, in preparation for the D-Day landings of June 1944. During the evening of April 25th 1944, Haida saw her first action when her destroyer flotilla encountered a German torpedo boat flotilla with three Type 1939-class torpedo boats. Haida herself sank the T29 while T24 and T27 were damaged.

Just a week later in the evening of April 29th, Haida and her sister ship Athabaskan encountered the T24 and T27 as they tried to flee from their port. In the ensuing engagement, the Athabaskan was destroyed by torpedoes fired from T24, but Haida was able to severely damage the T27, which was later destroyed by British MTBs. Haida rescued 44 survivors from the Athabaskan, while the remaining crewmembers were either killed or taken prisoner by the Germans. In June of 1944, Haida, along with her squadron, encountered another German destroyer flotilla and engaged them in what would become known as the Battle of Ushant. During this engagement, the German destroyer Z32 was sunk jointly by Haida and her sister ship Huron.

In late June of 1944, Haida successfully sank the German submarine U-971 which had been spotted by British RAF Liberator bombers. In early July, she, along with the Polish destroyer ORP Blyskawica, encountered a German convoy and successfully sank two minesweepers and a merchant ship. Later on in August, the Haida encountered yet another convoy of German ships and sank two minesweepers and a patrol boat.

After her service in the English channel, Haida returned to Halifax for a much-needed refit and was fitted with new sensors. She returned to the Atlantic theatre in April of 1945, and saw one of the last actions of RCN vessels when she was part of an escorting force that attacked two U-Boats that attempted to torpedo their convoy. Both U-Boats were sunk, for the loss of one frigate.

After the cessation of hostilities in the European theatre, it had been intended that Haida be sent to the Pacific Theatre to serve in the American invasion of Japan. However, due to the dropping of Atomic bombs at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, there was no need for this, and the Haida was reduced to reserve in 1947. She later became the first Canadian destroyer to venture into the Hudson Bay. Following the start of the Korean War, Haida was reactivated and sent to the Korean theatre where she participated in several patrols, escorting aircraft carriers and shelling North Korean surface units. She later became part of the "Train Busters Club", a group of ships which had successfully destroyed North Korean trains by shelling them from the sea. She saw less service during the later part of the 1950s, as her ageing equipment began to deteriorate and malfunction.

Haida was reduced to reserve again in 1962, and was intended to be scrapped. However, members of her crew were able to purchase the ship from the RCN, and converted it into a museum ship. Initially, the Haida was docked on the Toronto waterfront, but she has now been moved to Hamilton Harbour. Nicknamed "The Fightingest Ship in the Canadian Navy", Haida is still a museum ship and serves as the ceremonial flagship of the Royal Canadian Navy.

Devblog

HMCS Haida was laid down on the 29th September, 1941 at the Vickers-Armstrong dockyard in Newcastle-upon-Tyne. In August 1943, the ship was launched and entered RCN service shortly afterwards. Haida's early service life is marked by escort duties as part of various Arctic convoys. In spring 1944, Haida was tasked to perform sweeps along the French coastline. Haida scored her first kill, sinking the German T-29 destroyer along with other members of her task force in April.

Prior to D-Day, Haida continued to run sweeps along the French coast, periodically engaging in skirmishes with German destroyers and torpedo boats. After sinking a German U-boat, Haida paired up with the Polish destroyer, Blyskawica in actions against German surface vessels off the western coast of France. During one such raid in August, Haida was damaged by a German ship - a 10 5mm round hit the stern section and returned to Halifax in September.

After repairs and refits, Haida continued her service off the coast of Norway in March 1945, serving as an escort and assisting in various operations. After the German surrender in May, Haida was sent to the Pacific in preparation for the invasion of the Japanese home islands. Whilst undergoing tropicalization refits however, Japan surrendered. This marked the end of WW2 and Haida's service as part of it.

In the postwar years, Haida switched between reserve and active status as well as undergoing several refits and upgrades. The Korean War called for Haida's service one final time. There, the ship operated as a destroyer escort, primarily performing shoreline bombardment and patrols.

After the Korean War, Haida was ultimately decommissioned from active service, but avoided being scrapped by being turned into a Toronto attraction in 1965. In the early 2000s, Haida underwent extensive restoration before becoming a National Historic Site at the Hamilton Waterfront. Today, HMCS Haida is the ceremonial flagship of the Royal Canadian Navy and still welcomes visitors from all over the globe.

Media

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See also

Other Canadian naval vehicles present in the game

External links

References

Bibliography
  • Parks Canada. (n.d.). HMCS Haida, National historic site. Retrieved January 19, 2021, from https://www.historicplaces.ca/en/rep-reg/place-lieu.aspx?id=7624
  • Sarty, R. (2006, February 7). HMCS Haida. Retrieved January 19, 2021, from https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/haida-ship


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