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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.77 "Advancing Storm"]].
  
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[[File:GarageImage_M.D.452IIC.jpg|420px|thumb|left|The '''{{PAGENAME}}''' in the garage]]
 
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a Rank {{Specs|rank}} French jet fighter {{Battle-rating|1}}. This aircraft was introduced in [[Update 1.77 "Advancing Storm"]].
 
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
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=== Flight Performance ===
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=== Flight performance ===
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The MD.452 IIC is something of a jack of all trades. Its flight performance is balanced, if a bit slow to accelerate. The roll rate is excellent at medium to high speeds (550 - 900 km/h), giving the aircraft many options for evasive manoeuvres, and although energy-bleeding, the turn rate is good against most enemies. The two fast-firing 30 mm DEFA canons also compose tremendous firepower, if used with suitable ammunition.
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! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 0 m - at sea level)
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! colspan="2" | Max Speed (km/h at Sea level)
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! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(metres)
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! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(meters)
 
 
! colspan="2" | Turn time<br>(seconds)
 
! colspan="2" | Turn time<br>(seconds)
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! colspan="2" | Rate of climb<br>(metres/second)
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! rowspan="2" |Take-off run<br>(meters)
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! rowspan="2" | Take-off run<br>(metres)
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! AB
 
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! RB
 
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| 1,036 || 1,027 || {{Specs|ceiling}} ||26.4|| 27.0 ||33.3||31.6|| 800
 
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! rowspan="2" |Max altitude (meters)
 
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! colspan="2" | Turn time (seconds)
 
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! colspan="2" | Rate of climb<br>(meters/second)
 
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! rowspan="2" |Take-off run (meters)
 
 
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! Stock
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| 1,035 || 1,027 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 26.3 || 26.9 || 32.9 || 31.1 || rowspan="2" | 800
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! AB
 
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! RB
 
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! AB
 
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! RB
 
 
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| ? || ? || {{Specs|ceiling}} || ??.? || ??.? || ?.? || ?.? || 800
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! Upgraded
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| 1,051 || 1,044 || 23.4 || 24.8 || 48.1 || 40.0
 
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====Details====
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==== Details ====
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! colspan="5" | Features
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! colspan="6" | Features
 
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! Combat flap
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! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
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! Take-off flap
 
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! Landing flap
 
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! Air brakes
 
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! Arrestor gear
 
 
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| ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X || X    <!-- ✓ -->
 
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! colspan="7" | Limits
 
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! rowspan="2" | Wing-break speed<br>(km/h)
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! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
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! rowspan="2" | Gear limit<br>(km/h)
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! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
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! rowspan="2" | Combat flap<br> (km/h)
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! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
 
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
 
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
 
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! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
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| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 627 || 598 || 450 || ~11 || ~4
 
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! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
 
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! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
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! Rudder<br>(km/h)
 
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! Elevators<br>(km/h)
 
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! Radiator<br>(km/h)
 
 
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| < 620 || < 700 || < 740 || N/A
 
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! Optimal altitude
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| colspan="2" | SNECMA Atar 101D3 ||  1
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! 100% Engine power
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| colspan="2" | 5,900 kg || colspan="2" | 241 kg/m<sup>2</sup>
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! WEP Engine power
 
 
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! colspan="3" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff<br />Weight
 
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! 7m fuel || 20m fuel || 24m fuel
 
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! 100% Engine power
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| 6,308 kg || 7,067 kg || 7,300 kg || 10,500 kg
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! colspan="4" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (100%)
 
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! Condition || 100% || WEP
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! 7m fuel || 20m fuel || 24m fuel || MTOW
 
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| ''Stationary'' || 2,911 kgf || N/A
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| ''Optimal'' || 3,178 kgf<br />(1,100 km/h) || N/A
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| 0.50 || 0.45 || 0.44 || 0.30
 
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=== Survivability and armour ===
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
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* 40 mm Bulletproof glass in front of the pilot
 
* 40 mm Bulletproof glass in front of the pilot
 
* 13.5 mm Steel plate around the bottom of the cockpit, front and rear
 
* 13.5 mm Steel plate around the bottom of the cockpit, front and rear
 
* 13.5 mm Steel plate behind the pilot
 
* 13.5 mm Steel plate behind the pilot
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=== Modifications and economy ===
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{{Specs-Economy}}
  
 
== Armaments ==
 
== Armaments ==
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{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
 
=== Offensive armament ===
 
=== Offensive armament ===
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<!-- ''Describe the offensive armament of the aircraft, if any. Describe how effective the cannons and machine guns are in a battle, and also what belts or drums are better to use. If there is no offensive weaponry, delete this subsection.'' -->
 
{{main|DEFA 541 (30 mm)}}
 
{{main|DEFA 541 (30 mm)}}
  
 
The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:
 
The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:
  
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* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 541 cannons, nose-mounted (150 RPG) = 300 total)
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* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 541 cannons, belly-mounted (150 rpg = 300 total)
  
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The two cannons are arranged in the belly portion of the fuselage exiting the aircraft just before the pilot's location. Each is armed with the same amount of ammunition, which means that both guns will fire with each other until empty.
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The two cannons are arranged in the belly portion of the fuselage exiting the aircraft just behind the pilot's location. Each is armed with the same amount of ammunition, which means that both guns will fire together until empty.
  
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=== Suspended armament===
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This aircraft is the first of the French jets to use 30 mm DEFA canons, which are potent guns in-game, with a high shell velocity, rate of fire, and gun reliability. While the default ammunition is underwhelming, the "air targets" ammunition will shred enemy fighters with a single or a couple of shells. Heavier targets might need 3-5 hits to lose a wing.
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{{main|AN-M64A1 (500 lb)|AN-M65A1 Fin M129 (1,000 lb)|SNEB Type 23}}
 
  
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=== Suspended armament ===
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{{main|AN-M64A1 (500 lb)|AN-M65A1 Fin M129 (1,000 lb)|SNEB type 23}}
  
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* None
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The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
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* 2 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 bombs
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* 2 x 1,000 lb AN-M65A1 Fin M129 bombs
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* Without load
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* 2 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 bombs (1,000 lb total)
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* 2 x 1,000 lb AN-M65A1 Fin M129 bombs (2,000 lb total)
 
* 38 x SNEB type 23 rockets
 
* 38 x SNEB type 23 rockets
  
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=== Defensive armament ===
 
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== Usage in the battles ==
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The M.D.452 IIC offers better ordinance than it's an earlier in-game variant, the IIA. This makes it more effective in Tank RB and allows use as a fighter-bomber in Air RB. It is generally more manoeuvrable than most other 9.0 aircraft it faces, the only ones you would have a tough time turning with at this BR would be any of the Sabres. Since its roll rate is comparable to the Sabre's once the "New Boosters" modification is installed, it opens up the playing field a bit more.
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The {{PAGENAME}} is generally more manoeuvrable than most other contemporary aircraft it faces, the only ones you would have a tough time turning with at this battle rating would be any of the Sabres. Since its roll rate is comparable to the Sabre's once the "New Boosters" modification is installed, the option of turnfighting becomes available, although speed will be bled at a relatively high rate. Still, like the predecessors of the Mystère II, boom & zooming should remain the first choice in engagements. Control stiffening doesn't appear under around 1,000-1,050 km/h, and devastating armament will take out an enemy target in a single pass. Furthermore, top speed in level flight is slightly below average, justifying even more that tactic.
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===Modules===
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Overall, the Mystère IIC should be considered as buffed Ouragan/Barougan, increasing drastically the top speed, armament, and manoeuvrability parameters.
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=== Pros and cons ===
 
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'''Pros:'''
 
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* Excellent armament of 2 x 30 mm DEFA cannons (higher muzzle velocity and RoF than the ADEN cannon)
 
* Excellent armament of 2 x 30 mm DEFA cannons (higher muzzle velocity and RoF than the ADEN cannon)
 
* High roll rate, matches the Sabre's roll rate with "New boosters" modification installed
 
* High roll rate, matches the Sabre's roll rate with "New boosters" modification installed
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* Descent climb rate
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* Good turn rate between 550 km/h and 800 km/h
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* Effective energy retention
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* Decent climb rate
 
* Payloads can include bombs or rockets
 
* Payloads can include bombs or rockets
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* More effective air brake than its predecessors
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* A lot of ammo for only 2 x 30 mm DEFA cannons
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* Guns being mounted under the nose makes it easy to head on planes upside down
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* DEFA cannons can easily down a plane with 1 to 3 HE rounds striking
  
 
'''Cons:'''
 
'''Cons:'''
  
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* Slow compared to other 9.0 aircraft
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* Slightly slower to other contemporary aircraft
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* Fragile; a few hits of enemy fire will make controlling the aircraft more difficult
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* Poor horizontal energy retention compared to its predecessors
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* Low ammo amount; ammo trigger discipline is required
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* Fragile; a few hits of enemy fire will make controlling the aircraft more difficult, forcing a return to base for repairs
  
 
== History ==
 
== History ==
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[[File:M.D.452 'Mystere'.jpg|thumb]]
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The M.D.452 Mystère was a swept-wing air superiority fighter developed by Dassault Aviation, derived from the M.D.450 Ouragan. The aircraft combined the fuselage of the Ouragan with a new swept-wing, enabling it to reach much faster speeds than its predecessor. In 1951, the Mystère IIA became the first French-designed plane to break the sound barrier, in a controlled dive.<ref name=":0">http://www.airvectors.net/avmyst.html ([https://web.archive.org/web/20210428191744/http://www.airvectors.net/avmyst.html Archive])</ref> Later on, the M.D.452 IIC would enter service with the French Air force, and serve until 1957, when it was relegated to training duties.<ref name=":1">https://www.dassault-aviation.com/en/passion/aircraft/military-dassault-aircraft/md-452-mystere-ii/# ([https://web.archive.org/web/20210504192518/https://www.dassault-aviation.com/en/passion/aircraft/military-dassault-aircraft/md-452-mystere-ii/ Archive])</ref>
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====== Design and Development ======
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The M.D.452 Mystère was originally designed as an advanced variant of the preceding M.D.450 Ouragan, with a new wing section and engine. In 1950, Marcel Dassault, the head of the Dassault aviation firm, signed a contract to produce an M.D.450 Ouragan with a new thinner wing section.<ref name=":1" /> The aircraft had a wing swept back at 30 degrees compared to the Ouragan's 14 degrees, and was powered by a license-built version of the Rolls-Royce Nene. During tests, the aircraft showed significantly better climb rate and top speed, being capable of reaching transonic speeds. After four prototypes, the M.D.452 IIA was developed, carrying four 20 mm M50 (Hispano-derived) cannons and the Rolls-Royce Tay engine. On October 28th 1951, a Mystère IIA Became the first French aircraft to break the sound barrier, in a controlled dive.<ref name=":0" />
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However, the M.D.452 IIA failed to enter service, as it was rapidly replaced by the M.D.452 IIB and IIC. The IIB and IIC retained the wing and fuselage of the IIA, while featuring a new intake design and a pair of 30 mm DEFA cannons in place of the IIA's four M50s.<ref name=":0" /> The new IIC was re-engined with a SNECMA Atar turbojet, capable of producing 25 kN of thrust. The M.D.452 IIC would later go on to enter service, serving between 1954 and 1963.
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====== Operational Service ======
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In 1954, the French Air service placed an order for 150 M.D.452 IIC aircraft, which were delivered between 1954 and 1957.<ref name=":1" /> These aircraft carried a SNECMA Atar 101-D (producing 29 kN thrust),<ref>https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/tag/md-452/ ([https://web.archive.org/save/https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/tag/md-452/ Archive])</ref> but were otherwise identical to the IIC prototypes. In total, 171 Dassault Mystères were built, including prototypes of the IIA, IIB and IIC variants. By the time of the last deliveries, the aircraft was already being relegated to advanced training duties; the rapid pace of aviation technology during the 1950s led to the aircraft rapidly becoming obsolete.<ref name=":0" /> The last M.D. 452 IIC was retired from training duties in 1963, after 9 years of service with the French Air Force.
  
 
== Media ==
 
== Media ==
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== Read also ==
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{{Youtube-gallery|fa1_8SqJcT0|'''The Shooting Range #97''' - ''Pages of History'' section at 06:04 discusses the Dassault Mystère II.}}
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== See also ==
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== Sources ==
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* [[M.D.452 IIA]]
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* ''other literature.''
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* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/402783-dassault-md452a-mystere-iic-atar-101/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]
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=== References ===
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M.D.452 IIC
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M.D.452 IIC
France flag.png France
V Rank
Battle rating:
AB RB SB
8.7 8.3 8.7
Class:
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Description

The M.D.452 Mystere IIC pre-production is a rank V French jet fighter with a battle rating of 8.7 (AB/SB) and 8.3 (RB). It was introduced in Update 1.77 "Advancing Storm".

General info

Flight performance

Air brakes
Allows you to dramatically reduce the flight speed by releasing special flaps
Max speed
at 0 m1 044 km/h
Turn time24 s
Max altitude13 000 m
EngineSNECMA Atar 101D3
TypeJet
Cooling systemAir
Take-off weight11 t

The MD.452 IIC is something of a jack of all trades. Its flight performance is balanced, if a bit slow to accelerate. The roll rate is excellent at medium to high speeds (550 - 900 km/h), giving the aircraft many options for evasive manoeuvres, and although energy-bleeding, the turn rate is good against most enemies. The two fast-firing 30 mm DEFA canons also compose tremendous firepower, if used with suitable ammunition.

Characteristics Max Speed
(km/h at 0 m - at sea level) 		Max altitude
(metres) 		Turn time
(seconds) 		Rate of climb
(metres/second) 		Take-off run
(metres)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
Stock 1,035 1,027 13000 26.3 26.9 32.9 31.1 800
Upgraded 1,051 1,044 23.4 24.8 48.1 40.0

Details

Features
Combat flaps Take-off flaps Landing flaps Air brakes Arrestor gear Drogue chute
✓ ✓ ✓ ✓ X X
Limits
Wings (km/h) Gear (km/h) Flaps (km/h) Max Static G
Combat Take-off Landing + -
1108 450 627 598 450 ~11 ~4
Optimal velocities (km/h)
Ailerons Rudder Elevators Radiator
< 620 < 700 < 740 N/A

Engine performance

Engine Aircraft mass
Engine name Number Empty mass Wing loading (full fuel)
SNECMA Atar 101D3 1 5,900 kg 241 kg/m2
Engine characteristics Mass with fuel (no weapons load) Max Takeoff
Weight
Weight (each) Type 7m fuel 20m fuel 24m fuel
1,050 kg Axial-flow turbojet 6,308 kg 7,067 kg 7,300 kg 10,500 kg
Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB) Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (100%)
Condition 100% WEP 7m fuel 20m fuel 24m fuel MTOW
Stationary 2,911 kgf N/A 0.46 0.41 0.40 0.28
Optimal 3,178 kgf
(1,100 km/h) 		N/A 0.50 0.45 0.44 0.30

Survivability and armour

Crew1 person
Speed of destruction
Structural1 108 km/h
Gear450 km/h
  • 40 mm Bulletproof glass in front of the pilot
  • 13.5 mm Steel plate around the bottom of the cockpit, front and rear
  • 13.5 mm Steel plate behind the pilot

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference
AB3 142 → 4 269 Sl icon.png
RB9 434 → 12 820 Sl icon.png
SB10 241 → 13 917 Sl icon.png
Total cost of modifications101 400 Rp icon.png
162 400 Sl icon.png
Talisman cost2 200 Ge icon.png
Crew training98 000 Sl icon.png
Experts340 000 Sl icon.png
Aces1 800 Ge icon.png
Research Aces780 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
120 / 380 / 600 % Sl icon.png
202 / 202 / 202 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Flight performance Survivability Weaponry
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Fuselage repair
Research:
10 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
16 000 Sl icon.png
440 Ge icon.png
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Compressor
Research:
5 700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
9 100 Sl icon.png
250 Ge icon.png
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New boosters
Research:
5 700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
9 100 Sl icon.png
250 Ge icon.png
Mods aerodinamic wing.png
Wings repair
Research:
6 400 Rp icon.png
Cost:
10 000 Sl icon.png
280 Ge icon.png
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Engine
Research:
6 400 Rp icon.png
Cost:
10 000 Sl icon.png
280 Ge icon.png
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G-suit
Research:
11 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
18 000 Sl icon.png
490 Ge icon.png
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Airframe
Research:
5 700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
9 100 Sl icon.png
250 Ge icon.png
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Cover
Research:
11 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
18 000 Sl icon.png
490 Ge icon.png
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aden_belt_pack
Research:
10 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
16 000 Sl icon.png
440 Ge icon.png
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SBC-17
Research:
5 700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
9 100 Sl icon.png
250 Ge icon.png
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aden_new_gun
Research:
6 400 Rp icon.png
Cost:
10 000 Sl icon.png
280 Ge icon.png
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LBC-25
Research:
6 400 Rp icon.png
Cost:
10 000 Sl icon.png
280 Ge icon.png
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Matra SNEB
Research:
11 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
18 000 Sl icon.png
490 Ge icon.png

Armaments

Offensive armament

Weapon 12 x 30 mm DEFA 541 cannon
Ammunition300 rounds
Fire rate1 200 shots/min
Main article: DEFA 541 (30 mm)

The M.D.452 IIC is armed with:

  • 2 x 30 mm DEFA 541 cannons, belly-mounted (150 rpg = 300 total)

The two cannons are arranged in the belly portion of the fuselage exiting the aircraft just behind the pilot's location. Each is armed with the same amount of ammunition, which means that both guns will fire together until empty.

This aircraft is the first of the French jets to use 30 mm DEFA canons, which are potent guns in-game, with a high shell velocity, rate of fire, and gun reliability. While the default ammunition is underwhelming, the "air targets" ammunition will shred enemy fighters with a single or a couple of shells. Heavier targets might need 3-5 hits to lose a wing.

Suspended armament

List of setups (3)
Setup 12 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 bomb
Setup 22 x 1000 lb AN-M65A1 Fin M129 bomb
Setup 338 x SNEB type 23 rockets
Main articles: AN-M64A1 (500 lb), AN-M65A1 Fin M129 (1,000 lb), SNEB type 23

The M.D.452 IIC can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

  • Without load
  • 2 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 bombs (1,000 lb total)
  • 2 x 1,000 lb AN-M65A1 Fin M129 bombs (2,000 lb total)
  • 38 x SNEB type 23 rockets

The ordnance of the M.D.452 IIC gives it the ability to engage ground targets, but limits its manoeuvrability greatly and should generally not be used in Air RB except as a late game last resort. In mixed battles, the SNEB rockets can be an excellent anti-tank weapon for CAS, and the aircraft inserts well in the French BR 8.3 line-up.

Usage in battles

The M.D.452 IIC is generally more manoeuvrable than most other contemporary aircraft it faces, the only ones you would have a tough time turning with at this battle rating would be any of the Sabres. Since its roll rate is comparable to the Sabre's once the "New Boosters" modification is installed, the option of turnfighting becomes available, although speed will be bled at a relatively high rate. Still, like the predecessors of the Mystère II, boom & zooming should remain the first choice in engagements. Control stiffening doesn't appear under around 1,000-1,050 km/h, and devastating armament will take out an enemy target in a single pass. Furthermore, top speed in level flight is slightly below average, justifying even more that tactic.

Overall, the Mystère IIC should be considered as buffed Ouragan/Barougan, increasing drastically the top speed, armament, and manoeuvrability parameters.

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Excellent armament of 2 x 30 mm DEFA cannons (higher muzzle velocity and RoF than the ADEN cannon)
  • High roll rate, matches the Sabre's roll rate with "New boosters" modification installed
  • Good turn rate between 550 km/h and 800 km/h
  • Decent climb rate
  • Payloads can include bombs or rockets
  • More effective air brake than its predecessors
  • A lot of ammo for only 2 x 30 mm DEFA cannons
  • Guns being mounted under the nose makes it easy to head on planes upside down
  • DEFA cannons can easily down a plane with 1 to 3 HE rounds striking

Cons:

  • Slightly slower to other contemporary aircraft
  • Poor horizontal energy retention compared to its predecessors
  • Fragile; a few hits of enemy fire will make controlling the aircraft more difficult, forcing a return to base for repairs

History

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The M.D.452 Mystère was a swept-wing air superiority fighter developed by Dassault Aviation, derived from the M.D.450 Ouragan. The aircraft combined the fuselage of the Ouragan with a new swept-wing, enabling it to reach much faster speeds than its predecessor. In 1951, the Mystère IIA became the first French-designed plane to break the sound barrier, in a controlled dive.[1] Later on, the M.D.452 IIC would enter service with the French Air force, and serve until 1957, when it was relegated to training duties.[2]

Design and Development

The M.D.452 Mystère was originally designed as an advanced variant of the preceding M.D.450 Ouragan, with a new wing section and engine. In 1950, Marcel Dassault, the head of the Dassault aviation firm, signed a contract to produce an M.D.450 Ouragan with a new thinner wing section.[2] The aircraft had a wing swept back at 30 degrees compared to the Ouragan's 14 degrees, and was powered by a license-built version of the Rolls-Royce Nene. During tests, the aircraft showed significantly better climb rate and top speed, being capable of reaching transonic speeds. After four prototypes, the M.D.452 IIA was developed, carrying four 20 mm M50 (Hispano-derived) cannons and the Rolls-Royce Tay engine. On October 28th 1951, a Mystère IIA Became the first French aircraft to break the sound barrier, in a controlled dive.[1]

However, the M.D.452 IIA failed to enter service, as it was rapidly replaced by the M.D.452 IIB and IIC. The IIB and IIC retained the wing and fuselage of the IIA, while featuring a new intake design and a pair of 30 mm DEFA cannons in place of the IIA's four M50s.[1] The new IIC was re-engined with a SNECMA Atar turbojet, capable of producing 25 kN of thrust. The M.D.452 IIC would later go on to enter service, serving between 1954 and 1963.

Operational Service

In 1954, the French Air service placed an order for 150 M.D.452 IIC aircraft, which were delivered between 1954 and 1957.[2] These aircraft carried a SNECMA Atar 101-D (producing 29 kN thrust),[3] but were otherwise identical to the IIC prototypes. In total, 171 Dassault Mystères were built, including prototypes of the IIA, IIB and IIC variants. By the time of the last deliveries, the aircraft was already being relegated to advanced training duties; the rapid pace of aviation technology during the 1950s led to the aircraft rapidly becoming obsolete.[1] The last M.D. 452 IIC was retired from training duties in 1963, after 9 years of service with the French Air Force.

Media

Skins
Videos
The Shooting Range #97 - Pages of History section at 06:04 discusses the Dassault Mystère II.

See also

External links

References

  1. ↑ 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 http://www.airvectors.net/avmyst.html (Archive)
  2. ↑ 2.0 2.1 2.2 https://www.dassault-aviation.com/en/passion/aircraft/military-dassault-aircraft/md-452-mystere-ii/# (Archive)
  3. ↑ https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/tag/md-452/ (Archive)


Dassault Aviation
WW2* 
Fighters  M.B.152C1 · M.B.157
Bombers  M.B.162 · M.B.174A-3 · M.B.175T
Jet Aircraft 
M.D 450  M.D.450B Barougan · M.D.450B Ouragan
Mystère  M.D.452 IIA · M.D.452 IIC · Mystere IVA
Super Mystère  Super Mystere B2
Étendard  Etendard IVM
Super Étendard  Super Etendard
Alpha Jet  Alpha Jet E**
Mirage 
Mirage III  Mirage IIIC · Mirage IIIE · Milan
Mirage V  Mirage 5F
Mirage F1  Mirage F1C · Mirage F1C-200 · Mirage F1CT
Mirage 2000  Mirage 2000-5F · Mirage 2000C-S4 · Mirage 2000C-S5 · Mirage 2000D-R1
Mirage 4000  Mirage 4000
Export 
M.D 450  M.D.450B Ouragan
Mystere  Mystere IVA
Super Mystère  Sambad · Sa'ar***
Mirage  Shahak · ▄Mirage 5BA
  *The company was named "Société des Avions Marcel Bloch" before being renamed in 1947
  **Jointly manufactured with Dornier Flugzeugwerke
  ***Israeli Super Mystère refitted with new avionics and an American engine
See also  SABCA

France jet aircraft
Fighters  M.D.450B Ouragan · M.D.450B Barougan · M.D.452 IIA · M.D.452 IIC · Mystere IVA · Super Mystere B2
  ▄F-86K · ▄F-100D · ▄F-8E(FN)
  Mirage IIIC · Mirage IIIE · Milan · Mirage 5F · Mirage 2000C-S4 · Mirage 2000C-S5 · Mirage 2000-5F · Mirage 4000
  Mirage F1C · Mirage F1C-200 · Mirage F1CT
Strike aircraft  ▄F-84F · F-84F IAF · ▄F-84G-26-RE
  Etendard IVM · Super Etendard · Alpha Jet E
  Jaguar A · Jaguar E · Mirage 2000D-R1
Bombers  S.O.4050 Vautour IIA · Vautour IIA IDF/AF · S.O.4050 Vautour IIB · S.O.4050 Vautour IIN · S.O.4050 Vautour IIN (late)
Belgium  ▄Meteor F Mk.8 · ▄Mirage 5BA · ▄F-104G · ▄F-16A · ▄F-16AM
Netherlands  ◘Sea Hawk Mk.50 · ◘Hunter F.6

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