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{{About
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[[File:-Chinese NL-37 Cannon.jpg|thumb]]
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| about = Chinese license-built jet fighter '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
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| link = MiG-17 (Family)
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!Mass
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{{Specs-Card
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|39 kg (86 lb)
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|code=mig-17_f5
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|'''Length:''' 11.09 m (36 ft 5 in)
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!wingspan
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* '''Wingspan:''' 9.628 m (31 ft 7 in)
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!'''Wing area'''
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!'''Wing area:''' 22.6 m<sup>2</sup> (243 sq ft)
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!'''Empty weight'''
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!'''Empty weight:''' 3,939 kg (8,684 lb)
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!'''Gross weight'''
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!'''Gross weight:''' 6,000 kg (13,228 lb)
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!'''Powerplant'''
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* '''Powerplant:''' 1 × Wopen WP-5 turbojet engines, 25.5 kN (5,700 lbf) thrust 33.8 kN (7,600 lbf) with afterburning
  
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== Description ==
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:::: '''JJ-5''' 1x 22.27 kN (5,010 lbf) WP-5D non afterburning turbojet
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' represents J-5s sent as military aid to the Korean People's Army Air Force from Mainland China. After Mainland China and the Soviet Union signed aiding treaties for the construction of Chinese's aviation industry in 1951, Factory 112 (State Songling Machinery Factory; now Shenyang Aircraft Corporation) was selected to be the factory to introduce the MiG-17F to Mainland China in view of the already obsolete performance of MiG-15bis. By November 1953, the license was issued to the factory. Before the deadline of National Day 1956, the first Chinese-assembled jet, J-5 (aircraft no. 中0101) made its maiden flight on July 19 and soon passed state certification in September 9, with 4 of them joining the PLAAF 10 days later. As one of the frontline jet fighters, the J-5 scored numerous victories against ROCAF and USAF while losing some of them during aerial combat, including the first victim of the [[AIM-9B Sidewinder|AIM-9B]]. Some of these jets were also aided to Chinese allies of the time who also scored some victories against their enemies, especially by the North Vietnamese forces.
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!'''Performance'''
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!'''Performance'''
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!'''Maximum speed'''
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* '''Maximum speed:''' 1,130 km/h (700 mph, 610 kn) at 5,000 m (16,000 ft)
  
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It was introduced as a [[wt:en/news/6353-development-new-war-thunder-nation-china-en|premium pack]] in [[Update 1.91 "Night Vision"]] and was removed from the store after the [[wt:en/news/7417-shop-war-thunder-birthday-sale-in-gaijin-net-store-en|9th Anniversary Sale]]. It later returned for purchase in-game with Golden Eagles {{ge}} during the [[wt:en/news/7534-special-lunar-new-year-en|2022 "Lunar New Year"]] event.
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:::: '''J5A''' 1,145 m (3,757 ft)
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:::: '''JJ-5''' 1,048 km/h (651 mph; 566 kn)
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!'''Range'''
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* '''Range:''' 1,424 km (885 mi, 769 nmi) with drop tanks at 10,000 m (33,000 ft)
  
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As an improved variant of MiG-17F with two PL-2 missiles, thanks to its design, devastating autocannons and powerful, afterburning VK-1F (WP-5) jet engine, players can still utilize the tactics used on previous MiG jets and get to grips with the F-5 rather quickly; while it can handle most subsonic jets it might face, do beware of early supersonic jets: with proper tactics employed, hitting them when they have depleted their energy is always a good option.
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:::: '''J5A''' 1,730 km (1,070 mi; 930 nmi)
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:::: '''JJ-5''' 1,230 km (760 mi; 660 nmi)
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!'''Service ceiling'''
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* '''Service ceiling:''' 16,500 m (54,100 ft)
  
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== General info ==
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:::: '''J5A''' 16,600 m (54,500 ft)
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[[File:MiG-17 Cockpit (2022).png|thumb|The '''Shenyang F-5''''s instrument panel.]]
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:::: '''JJ-5''' 14,300 m (46,900 ft)
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!'''Rate of climb'''
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* '''Rate of climb:''' 65 m/s (12,800 ft/min) at 5,000 m (16,000 ft)
  
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=== Flight performance ===
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:::: '''JJ-5''' 27 m/s (5,300 ft/min)
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The MiG-17 was the solution to upgrading the MiG-15 and naturally with it being a successful fighter which was mass-produced, variants eventually became available for other nations to purchase. China was one of the countries which sought to acquire the later versions of the MiG-17 which utilized the VK-1F style afterburning engines. With its sleek frame, swept-back wings and tailplane, the F-5 though a bit heavier than the typical MiG-17 is a powerhouse in the sky. Compared to many other aircraft, using the afterburner will allow the F-5 to outclimb many of its contemporaries including the F-86 variants. Many pilots who hope to catch an F-5 in a climb will be disappointed when they stall out only to see the F-5 dropping in on them from above for an easy shot.
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|1,450 mm (4 ft 9 in)
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!Height
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|'''Height:''' 3.8 m (12 ft 6 in)
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!Width
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|165 mm (6.5 in)
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!Caliber
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|23×115 mm (0.90 in)
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!Barrels
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|1
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!Action
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|Short recoil
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!Rate of fire
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|800–850 rpm
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!Muzzle velocity
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|690 m/s (2,264 ft/s)
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{{Specs-Card|code=mig-17_f5}}
  
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Thanks to the new engine, its sustained turn rate was improved by ~10% and can reach 19 deg/s when keeping the speed in horizontal turns close to 500 km/h which is more than enough to outturn in two circle fights most of subsonic or transonic jets like the CL-13, F-86 or J29F.
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== Description ==
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a gift rank {{Specs|rank}}  a Chinese-built single-seat jet interceptor and fighter aircraft {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.91 "Night Vision"]].
  
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Though not built for instantaneous turns, at the top of a climbing arc, the F-5 can make a relatively quick reversal as they nose over and begin to descend, pulling back on the throttle, extending flaps and air brakes, the F-5 can set themselves up for a shot at a stalled out fighter or can manoeuvre to end up as the hunter in chase of its prey.
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== General info ==
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=== Flight performance ===
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''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.''
  
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When diving in this fighter, it is crucial to watch the aircraft's speed, as it is possible to go slightly supersonic and at that point the control stiffening becomes excessive, making it extremely difficult to execute any finite movements.
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With this fighter sporting an afterburner, it is essential to either watch the fuel level or take more into battle. The afterburner will consume fuel much faster than the aircraft without it. One advantage of this fighter as it consumes its fuel is that the plane becomes lighter and can eke out a bit more speed.
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! colspan="8" | Characteristics
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As an air-to-air fighter, it is possible to include two PL-2 air-to-air missiles in conjunction with the guns, or you can eliminate the missiles and entirely rely on the 37 mm and 2 x 23 mm autocannons. The gun placement on the underside of the fuselage is ideal for not needing to worry about convergence; however, the pilot will need to compensate for the different drop rates of the 37 and 23 mm cannons to ensure both will impact the enemy fighter without one or the other over-shooting or under-shooting.
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! colspan="8" | ''Stock''
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! rowspan="2" | Characteristics
 
 
! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 2,000 m)
 
! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 2,000 m)
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! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(metres)
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! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(meters)
 
! colspan="2" | Turn time<br>(seconds)
 
! colspan="2" | Turn time<br>(seconds)
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! colspan="2" | Rate of climb<br>(metres/second)
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! colspan="2" | Rate of climb<br>(meters/second)
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! rowspan="2" | Take-off run<br>(metres)
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! rowspan="2" | Take-off run<br>(meters)
 
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! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
 
! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
 
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! Stock
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| ??? || ??? || {{Specs|ceiling}} || ??.? || ??.? || ??.? || ??.? || 475
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| 1,101 || 1,094 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 21.8 || 23.0 || 39.1 || 36.1 || rowspan="2" | 475
 
 
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! Upgraded
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| 1,126 || 1,114 || 21.2 || 21.5 || 61.9 || 50.0
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! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 2,000 m)
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! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(meters)
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! colspan="2" | Turn time<br>(seconds)
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! colspan="2" | Rate of climb<br>(meters/second)
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! rowspan="2" | Take-off run<br>(meters)
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! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB !! AB !! RB
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| ??? || ??? || {{Specs|ceiling}} || ??.? || ??.? || ??.? || ??.? || 475
 
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==== Details ====
 
==== Details ====
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! colspan="6" | Features
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! colspan="5" | Features
 
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! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
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! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear
 
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| X || ✓ || ✓ || ✓ || X    <!-- ✓ -->
 
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! colspan="7" | Limits
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! colspan="5" | Limits
 
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! rowspan="2" | Wings (km/h)
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! rowspan="2" | Wing-break speed<br>(km/h)
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! rowspan="2" | Gear (km/h)
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! rowspan="2" | Gear limit<br>(km/h)
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! colspan="3" | Flaps (km/h)
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! rowspan="2" | Combat flaps<br>(km/h)
 
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
 
! colspan="2" | Max Static G
 
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! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
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! + !! -
 
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| 1,150 <!-- {{Specs|destruction|body}} --> || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || - || 598 || 450 || ~12 || ~5
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| {{Specs|destruction|constructions}} || {{Specs|destruction|chassis}} || 650 || ~12 || ~5
 
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! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities (km/h)
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! colspan="4" | Optimal velocities
 
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! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
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! Ailerons<br>(km/h)
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! Rudder<br>(km/h)
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! Elevators<br>(km/h)
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! Radiator<br>(km/h)
 
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| < 600 || < 700 || < 750 || -
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| < 600 || < 700 || < 750 || N/A
 
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==== Engine performance ====
 
 
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! colspan="3" | Engine
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! colspan="3" | Compressor (RB/SB)
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! colspan="4" | Aircraft mass
 
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! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
 
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! colspan="2" | {{Annotation|Basic mass|Mass of the aircraft with pilot and engine oil, but no fuel or weapons load}} || colspan="2" | Wing loading (full fuel)
 
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| colspan="2" | Shenyang Liming WP-5 || 1
 
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| colspan="2" | 4,112 kg || colspan="2" | 234 kg/m<sup>2</sup>
 
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! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
 
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! colspan="3" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff<br>Weight
 
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! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
 
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! 9m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel
 
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| 892 kg || colspan="2" | Afterburning centrifugal-flow turbojet
 
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| 4,464 kg || 4,888 kg || 5,284 kg || 5,485 kg
 
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! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB/SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
 
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! colspan="4" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (WEP)
 
 
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! Condition || 100% || WEP
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! 9m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || MTOW
 
 
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| ''Stationary'' || 2,380 kgf || 2,932 kgf
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! Optimal altitude
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| 0.66 || 0.60 || 0.55 || 0.53
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! 100% Engine power
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! WEP Engine power
 
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| ''Optimal'' || 2,380 kgf<br>(0 km/h) || 2,932 kgf<br>(0 km/h)
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| 0 m || 2,380 kgf || 2,666 kgf
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| 0.66 || 0.60 || 0.55 || 0.53
 
 
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=== Survivability and armour ===
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
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{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}
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* 60 mm Bulletproof glass - Front canopy windshield
 
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* 16 mm Steel plate - Pilot's seat back
 
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* 25 mm Steel plate - Pilot's headrest
 
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* 10 mm Steel plate - in the nose of the aircraft before the cockpit
 
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The F-5 has just enough armour protection to protect the pilot from machine-gun fire, smaller cannon fire and even some more substantial indirect cannon hits. Though not a guarantee of the pilot's survivability, the 10 mm steel plate in conjunction with the 60 mm bulletproof glass will aid in protecting the pilot in the event, he happens upon a bomber with defensive turrets or ends up in a head-on attack against another fighter. The 16 mm steel plates in the seat back and headrest will provide minimal protection as if ammunition fire from the rear penetrates that far, it is likely that the aircraft will already be experiencing catastrophic engine or structural failure.
 
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=== Modifications and economy ===
 
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{{Specs-Economy}}
 
  
 
== Armaments ==
 
== Armaments ==
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{{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
 
 
=== Offensive armament ===
 
=== Offensive armament ===
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{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}
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Nudelman N-37                                                                                
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{{main|Type 37-1 (37 mm)|Type 23-1 (23 mm)}}
 
  
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The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:
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The N-37 was a sizable weapon firing a massive (735 g/26 oz HEI-T, 760 g/27 oz AP-T) shell. Its muzzle velocity was still considerable, but its rate of fire was only 400 rounds per minute. The weapon's considerable recoil and waste gases were problematic for turbojet fighter aircraft, as was finding space for the gun and a useful amount of ammunition, but a single shell was often sufficient to destroy a bomber.
  
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* 1 x 37 mm Type 37-1 cannon, chin-mounted (40 rpg)
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Nudelman-Rikhter NR-23
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* 2 x 23 mm Type 23-1 cannons, chin-mounted (80 rpg = 160 total)
 
  
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Just like Shenyang F5's old brother [[MiG-17]], the different caliber armaments on both sides of the plane will balance each other out. Despite the F-5 holding the largest caliber among the its fighter peers, the 37 mm N-37D cannon needs experience to ace. Though the two "smaller" 23 mm NR-23 cannons are deadly and easier to master than the 37 mm N-37D. Due to the low ammo rounds per gun, all cannons are not of the "spray and pray" type. These guns rarely overheat, though this is mostly since the magazine will be empty after only five seconds of shooting. It is necessary to fire in bursts only if confidence is high enough that the shots can hit the targets. For ammo selection, one should use "Air targets" belt on all cannons since it contains the most high-explosive and incendiary shells that have great effect against air targets. Launching ground strikes using "Armored targets" belts is not a good option due to the slightly inaccurate and unpredictable trajectory.
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The NR-23 is a single-barrel, short recoil-operated 23 mm (0.90 in) cannon. It was similar to the NS-23 but mechanical improvements increased its rate of fire by more than 50%. Its theoretical rate of fire was 850 rounds per minute, although United States Air Force (USAF) tests of captured weapons achieved an actual rate of fire of only 650 rounds per minute.
  
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=== Suspended armament ===
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{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}
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![[wikipedia:Nudelman_N-37|Nudelman N-37]]
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{{main|OFAB-250sv (250 kg)|PL-2}}
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![[wikipedia:Nudelman-Rikhter_NR-23|Nudelman-Rikhter NR-23]]
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: Basic version without muzzle brake
  
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The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
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!Mass
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|103 kg (227 lb)
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!Length
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|2,455 millimetres (96.7 in) (N-37D)
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!Cartridge
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|37x155mm
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!Cartridge weight
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|735 g/26 oz HEI-T, 760 g/27 oz AP-T
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!Caliber
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|37 mm (1.46 in)
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!Barrels
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|1
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!Action
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|Short recoil
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!Rate of fire
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|400 rounds per minute
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!Muzzle velocity
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|690 m/s (2,260 ft/s)
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!Mass
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|39 kg (86 lb)
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!Length
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|1,980 mm (6 ft 6 in)
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!Barrel length
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|1,450 mm (4 ft 9 in)
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!Width
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|165 mm (6.5 in)
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!Height
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|136 mm (5.4 in)
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!Caliber
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|23×115 mm (0.90 in)
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!Barrels
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|1
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!Action
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|Short recoil
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!Rate of fire
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|800–850 rpm
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!Muzzle velocity
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|690 m/s (2,264 ft/s)
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* 2 x 250 kg OFAB-250sv bombs (500 kg total)
 
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* 2 x PL-2 missiles
 
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Players also have access to PL-2 air-to-air missiles, which are the Chinese version of the Soviet [[R-3S|K-13 AAM]], which is similar to NATO [[AIM-9B Sidewinder|AIM-9B Sidewinder AAM]]. The missiles are not great at this battle rating, but still usable. Players can choose not to carry them if they prefer using the gun to fight. To use these missiles, player have to spool up the tracker first. Spooling up the tracker will take 1 second. Just like AIM-9B or any other first generation AAM, PL-2 does not have any off-axis angle to lock the target. To increase the chance of hitting, aim at the opponent's tail while they are flying in a straight line and fire at a distance less than 2 km. Any manoeuvre the opponent performs will prevent the missile from hitting its target.
 
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Players also have access to two 250 kg bombs. Two 250 kg bombs are not enough to bomb a base so they are only useful in the ground attack role in ground realistic battles. Keep aware of the tactical situation at hand to bring the most optimal weapons loadout to the battlefield.
 
  
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
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''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''
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The Shenyang F-5 can be summarized as an energy-specialized variant of the Soviet MiG-17. The Shenyang F-5 is heavier, thus its instantaneous turn rate is moderately worse than the MiG-15s and the MiG-17s. However, when facing these aircraft, you can take advantage of your afterburner thanks to which this plane has better sustained turn rate at medium and high speed than both the MiG-17 and MiG-15. You should not turnfight these opponents or other planes like the Sabre series in most circumstances, instead, you should keep the fight strictly vertical. You have a far better climb rate, far more thrust than any MiG-15, -17 or CL-13B, therefore you can dictate the fight with relative ease. While you try to attain your altitude advantage, be aware of the Angle-Of-Attack (AoA) the MiG-15 and 17 can still pull, you most likely will have to dodge 1 or 2 firing solutions, then you will be out of harm's way, given you don't make a critical mistake. Turn this altitude advantage into an energy advantage to decide how and when to engage an enemy.
 
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At high speed, the Sabre is much more manoeuvrable than you are. The Sabre will pull much harder, roll much better, and his guns are a lot easier to use. You must not try to roll around the Sabre's guns and reverse him often, because while this can work, the accessibility of his guns paired with his superior high-speed manoeuvrability leaves you at a very high chance of severe damage, or knock-out. If a Sabre is at your six-o'clock, and you two are at near equal speed, and obviously he's not extremely close: you should pitch up, turn your afterburner on, and climb. Not a single Sabre in-game can even rival your climb rate, thus, he will watch you takeoff, and there is nothing he can do besides disengaging from the pursuit.
 
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The Soviet [[MiG-17]] was [[J-4|used quite extensively]] by the PLAAF in the early Cold War era. A production license for the more advanced MiG-17F model, which featured an afterburner, was obtained in the mid-1950s, and the result was the domestic Shenyang J-5, which made its first flight in 1956. In 1961, plans were obtained for the license production of the radar-equipped MiG-17PF model, but the ongoing Sino-Soviet split led to issues with the Chinese industry that delayed the first flight of the "J-5A" to 1964. At this point, the aircraft was rather obsolete, with the supersonic age being well underway, and production only continued for a few more years. Fewer J-5s were produced than the later [[J-6A|J-6]].
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Revision as of 05:44, 15 September 2019

Rank 6 USA
F-5C Pack
File:-Chinese NL-37 Cannon.jpg
Specifications and performance
Mass 39 kg (86 lb)
Length Length: 11.09 m (36 ft 5 in)
wingspan
  • Wingspan: 9.628 m (31 ft 7 in)
Wing area Wing area: 22.6 m2 (243 sq ft)
Empty weight Empty weight: 3,939 kg (8,684 lb)
Gross weight Gross weight: 6,000 kg (13,228 lb)
Powerplant
  • Powerplant: 1 × Wopen WP-5 turbojet engines, 25.5 kN (5,700 lbf) thrust 33.8 kN (7,600 lbf) with afterburning
JJ-5 1x 22.27 kN (5,010 lbf) WP-5D non afterburning turbojet
Performance Performance
Maximum speed
  • Maximum speed: 1,130 km/h (700 mph, 610 kn) at 5,000 m (16,000 ft)
J5A 1,145 m (3,757 ft)
JJ-5 1,048 km/h (651 mph; 566 kn)
Range
  • Range: 1,424 km (885 mi, 769 nmi) with drop tanks at 10,000 m (33,000 ft)
J5A 1,730 km (1,070 mi; 930 nmi)
JJ-5 1,230 km (760 mi; 660 nmi)
Service ceiling
  • Service ceiling: 16,500 m (54,100 ft)
J5A 16,600 m (54,500 ft)
JJ-5 14,300 m (46,900 ft)
Rate of climb
  • Rate of climb: 65 m/s (12,800 ft/min) at 5,000 m (16,000 ft)
JJ-5 27 m/s (5,300 ft/min)
Barrel length 1,450 mm (4 ft 9 in)
Height Height: 3.8 m (12 ft 6 in)
Width 165 mm (6.5 in)
Caliber 23×115 mm (0.90 in)
Barrels 1
Action Short recoil
Rate of fire 800–850 rpm
Muzzle velocity 690 m/s (2,264 ft/s)
Shenyang F-5
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Shenyang F-5
China flag.png China
VI Rank
Battle rating:
AB RB SB
9.3 9.3 9.3
Class:
PREMIUM
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Description

The Shenyang F-5 is a gift rank VI  a Chinese-built single-seat jet interceptor and fighter aircraft with a battle rating of 9.3 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update 1.91 "Night Vision".

General info

Flight performance

Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.

Characteristics
Stock
Max Speed
(km/h at 2,000 m) 		Max altitude
(meters) 		Turn time
(seconds) 		Rate of climb
(meters/second) 		Take-off run
(meters)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
 ???  ??? 15500  ??.?  ??.?  ??.?  ??.? 475
Upgraded
Max Speed
(km/h at 2,000 m) 		Max altitude
(meters) 		Turn time
(seconds) 		Rate of climb
(meters/second) 		Take-off run
(meters)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
 ???  ??? 15500  ??.?  ??.?  ??.?  ??.? 475

Details

Features
Combat flaps Take-off flaps Landing flaps Air brakes Arrestor gear
X ✓ ✓ ✓ X
Limits
Wing-break speed
(km/h) 		Gear limit
(km/h) 		Combat flaps
(km/h) 		Max Static G
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650 ~12 ~5
Optimal velocities
Ailerons
(km/h) 		Rudder
(km/h) 		Elevators
(km/h) 		Radiator
(km/h)
< 600 < 700 < 750 N/A
Compressor (RB/SB)
Setting 1
Optimal altitude 100% Engine power WEP Engine power
0 m 2,380 kgf 2,666 kgf

Survivability and armour

Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured, etc. Describe the armour, if there is any, and also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.

Armaments

Offensive armament

Nudelman N-37

The N-37 was a sizable weapon firing a massive (735 g/26 oz HEI-T, 760 g/27 oz AP-T) shell. Its muzzle velocity was still considerable, but its rate of fire was only 400 rounds per minute. The weapon's considerable recoil and waste gases were problematic for turbojet fighter aircraft, as was finding space for the gun and a useful amount of ammunition, but a single shell was often sufficient to destroy a bomber.

Nudelman-Rikhter NR-23

The NR-23 is a single-barrel, short recoil-operated 23 mm (0.90 in) cannon. It was similar to the NS-23 but mechanical improvements increased its rate of fire by more than 50%. Its theoretical rate of fire was 850 rounds per minute, although United States Air Force (USAF) tests of captured weapons achieved an actual rate of fire of only 650 rounds per minute.

Nudelman N-37 Nudelman-Rikhter NR-23
N-37
Basic version without muzzle brake
Specifications
Mass 103 kg (227 lb)
Length 2,455 millimetres (96.7 in) (N-37D)
Cartridge 37x155mm
Cartridge weight 735 g/26 oz HEI-T, 760 g/27 oz AP-T
Caliber 37 mm (1.46 in)
Barrels 1
Action Short recoil
Rate of fire 400 rounds per minute
Muzzle velocity 690 m/s (2,260 ft/s)
Specifications
Mass 39 kg (86 lb)
Length 1,980 mm (6 ft 6 in)
Barrel length 1,450 mm (4 ft 9 in)
Width 165 mm (6.5 in)
Height 136 mm (5.4 in)
Caliber 23×115 mm (0.90 in)
Barrels 1
Action Short recoil
Rate of fire 800–850 rpm
Muzzle velocity 690 m/s (2,264 ft/s)

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Usage in battles

Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).

Pros and cons

Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in the bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".

Pros:

Cons:

History

Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History) and add a link to it here using the main template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <ref></ref>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <references />. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under === In-game description ===, also if applicable).

GALLERY RELATED TO WEAPONS

See also

Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:

  • reference to the series of the aircraft;
  • links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

External links

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China jet aircraft
Fighters  J-2 · J-4 · Shenyang F-5 · J-6A · J-7II · J-7D · J-7E · J-8B · J-8F · J-11
Strike aircraft  Q-5 early · Q-5A · Q-5L · A-5C · JH-7A
Bombers  H-5
American  ␗F-84G-21-RE · ␗F-84G-31-RE · ␗F-86F-30 · ␗F-86F-40 · ␗F-100A · ␗F-100F · ␗F-104A · ␗F-104G · ␗F-5A · ␗F-5E · ␗F-16A MLU
Soviet  ␗MiG-9 · ␗MiG-9 (l)

China premium aircraft
Fighters  ␗A6M2 · D.510C · H-81A-2 · Hawk III · ␗Ki-45 hei/tei · ␗Ki-84 ko
Jet fighters  Shenyang F-5 · J-7D
Strike aircraft  A-5C · ␗F-84G-31-RE

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