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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium rank {{Specs|rank}} Soviet armoured gun boat {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced during [[Update 1.83 "Masters of the Sea"]] with the fleet release into open beta test.
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
''Talk about the vehicle’s armor. Note the most well-defended and most vulnerable zones, e.g. the ammo magazine. Evaluate the composition of components and assemblies responsible for movement and maneuverability. Evaluate the survivability of the primary and secondary armament separately. Don’t forget to mention the size of the crew, which plays an important role in fleet mechanics. Tips for preserving survivability should be saved for the “Use in battle” section.
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The MBK pr. 186 (MK 85) has significantly more armour than its predecessors all-around, and can take a fair beating as a result. The middle portion of this ship has 30 mm of rolled homogeneous armour, while the front and back have protection of 8-12 mm. This defence makes machine gun fire much less dangerous, almost a relic of the past. However, this additional armour makes this ship much heavier, and detrimentally effects the speed, as elaborated in the next section.
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The 85 mm gun turrets have significantly less armour than the main tree version.
  
 
=== Mobility ===
 
=== Mobility ===
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The MBK pr. 186 (MK 85) has an abysmal top speed 35 km/h in AB. The turning speed is also terrible, and it will take more than a dozen seconds to completely turn around, however it does start the turn quite rapidly, making dodging torpedoes a reasonable option. Due to this fact, the vessel must be played with very strategically chosen movements, as becoming exposed with no quick way out is one of the most common ways to be destroyed in this ship.
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=== Modifications and economy ===
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== Armament ==
 
== Armament ==
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=== Primary armament ===
 
=== Primary armament ===
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{{main|85 mm/54.6 ZIS-C-53 (85 mm)}}
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The MBK pr. 186 has two 85mm guns in single turrets as its main guns. These guns fare fairly well against medium sized ships due to their reasonable caliber, and can sometimes hull-break small ships, although small enough ships are seldomly encountered at this battle rating. Up until this point, HE shells were the indisputably best shell for naval combat due to the lack of armor anywhere. HE should be your usual load, although APHE shells are useful vs other armoured gunboats, and also sometimes against larger vessels.
  
 
=== Secondary armament ===
 
=== Secondary armament ===
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{{main|37 mm/67 70-K (37 mm)}}
  
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A single 37mm autocannon comprises the secondary armament. This is the same model as the one used on the Pr.1124 (1945) and the BMO as well as the MPK-163. This gun is a fairly good secondary gun due to its caliber and good rate-of-fire, and can tackle both small to medium sized ships and most air targets.
  
 
=== Anti-aircraft armament ===
 
=== Anti-aircraft armament ===
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=== Torpedo armament ===
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Two twin-mount 12.7mm DShK turrets that are mounted on the sides of the command bridge at the center of the ship. As such, only one turret can engage a target at a time due to the interrupted arc of fire unless the target is directly in front or behind the ship. This is not the most desirable positioning but it will work most of the time deterring air attacks, with the help of the 37mm autocannon.
''Many ships are armed with torpedo launchers, and for some vessels such as boats, torpedoes are an extremely important means of defeating an opponent. Evaluate the position of the torpedo launchers, discuss the ammunition available, firing specifics such as dead zones, features of the torpedoes themselves, etc.''
 
  
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== Usage in battles ==
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=== Special armament ===
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The vessel is best at medium distance combat, due to the power of its 85mm cannon. It can easily destroy all other vessels in its class by aiming for the hull sections and destroying them in turn - 3 well aimed salvos will destroy most PT-sized boats. It is not suited to close quarter or ambush combat due to its slow speed, however if it finds itself in such a position its firepower can be enough so solve the situation.
''Depth charges, mines, rocket launchers and missiles are also effective in skilled hands and can be an unexpected surprise for an opponent. Evaluate the ammunition of this type of armament and rate its performance in combat.''
 
 
 
== Usage in the battles ==
 
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=== Pros and cons ===
 
=== Pros and cons ===
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* 2 x 85 mm provide plenty of firepower to destroy boats
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* Secondary and AA armament is on a par with the main armament of most other PT boats
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* Armour provides significant protection against machine-guns and small caliber cannon HE ammunition
  
 
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* Turrets have less armour than main tree version
  
 
== History ==
 
== History ==
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{{Youtube-gallery|aS6-IP8RiyQ|WT <nowiki>||</nowiki> MBK Pr.186 (MK 85) - Armour matters<br>''By: Napalmratte''|ecLuyiTPpqY|WT <nowiki>||</nowiki> MBK pr.186 (MK 85) - A spectacular Sealclubber<br>''By: Napalmratte''}}
  
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MBK pr.186 (MK 85)
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Description

The MBK pr.186 (MK 85) is a premium rank IV Soviet armoured gun boat with a battle rating of 3.3 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced during Update 1.83 "Masters of the Sea" with the fleet release into open beta test.

General info

Survivability and armour

Armourfront / side / back
Citadel4 / 30 / 20 mm
Main fire tower30 / 30 / 20 mm
Hull5 mm (steel)
Superstructure4 mm (steel)
Number of section4
Displacement166 t
Crew42 people

The MBK pr. 186 (MK 85) has significantly more armour than its predecessors all-around, and can take a fair beating as a result. The middle portion of this ship has 30 mm of rolled homogeneous armour, while the front and back have protection of 8-12 mm. This defence makes machine gun fire much less dangerous, almost a relic of the past. However, this additional armour makes this ship much heavier, and detrimentally effects the speed, as elaborated in the next section.

The 85 mm gun turrets have significantly less armour than the main tree version.

Mobility

Speedforward / back
AB35 / 13 km/h
RB26 / 10 km/h

The MBK pr. 186 (MK 85) has an abysmal top speed 35 km/h in AB. The turning speed is also terrible, and it will take more than a dozen seconds to completely turn around, however it does start the turn quite rapidly, making dodging torpedoes a reasonable option. Due to this fact, the vessel must be played with very strategically chosen movements, as becoming exposed with no quick way out is one of the most common ways to be destroyed in this ship.

Mobility Characteristics
Game Mode Upgrade Status Maximum Speed (km/h) Turn Time (s) Turn Radius (m)
Forward Reverse
AB Stock ___ ___
Upgraded 35 13
RB/SB Stock ___ ___
Upgraded 26 10

Modifications and economy

Repair cost
AB2 800 Sl icon.png
RB5 300 Sl icon.png
Crew training10 000 Sl icon.png
Experts400 000 Sl icon.png
Aces940 Ge icon.png
Research Aces960 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
Talisman.png 2 × 100 / 160 / 50 % Sl icon.png
Talisman.png 2 × 166 / 166 / 166 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Seakeeping Unsinkability Firepower
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Dry-Docking
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Rudder Replacement
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Propeller Replacement
Mods new ship engine.png
Engine Maintenance
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Tool Set
Mods manual ship extinguisher.png
Fire Protection System
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Smokescreen
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New Pumps
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37 mm HE clips
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Anti-Air Armament Targeting
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods tank ammo.png
85mm_ussr_navy_AP_ammo_pack
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37 mm AP clips
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Auxiliary Armament Targeting
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Primary Armament Targeting
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Improved Rangefinder

Armament

Primary armament

2 х Turret85 mm/54.6 ZIS-C-53 cannon
Ammunition100 rounds
Vertical guidance-5° / 77°

The MBK pr. 186 has two 85mm guns in single turrets as its main guns. These guns fare fairly well against medium sized ships due to their reasonable caliber, and can sometimes hull-break small ships, although small enough ships are seldomly encountered at this battle rating. Up until this point, HE shells were the indisputably best shell for naval combat due to the lack of armor anywhere. HE should be your usual load, although APHE shells are useful vs other armoured gunboats, and also sometimes against larger vessels.

Secondary armament

Turret37 mm/67 70-K automatic cannon
Ammunition1500 rounds
Belt capacity5 rounds
Fire rate180 shots/min
Main article: 37 mm/67 70-K (37 mm)

A single 37mm autocannon comprises the secondary armament. This is the same model as the one used on the Pr.1124 (1945) and the BMO as well as the MPK-163. This gun is a fairly good secondary gun due to its caliber and good rate-of-fire, and can tackle both small to medium sized ships and most air targets.

Anti-aircraft armament

2 х Turret2 x 12.7 mm DShK machine gun
Ammunition4000 rounds
Belt capacity50 rounds
Fire rate600 shots/min
Main article: DShK (12.7 mm)

Two twin-mount 12.7mm DShK turrets that are mounted on the sides of the command bridge at the center of the ship. As such, only one turret can engage a target at a time due to the interrupted arc of fire unless the target is directly in front or behind the ship. This is not the most desirable positioning but it will work most of the time deterring air attacks, with the help of the 37mm autocannon.

Usage in battles

The vessel is best at medium distance combat, due to the power of its 85mm cannon. It can easily destroy all other vessels in its class by aiming for the hull sections and destroying them in turn - 3 well aimed salvos will destroy most PT-sized boats. It is not suited to close quarter or ambush combat due to its slow speed, however if it finds itself in such a position its firepower can be enough so solve the situation.

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • 2 x 85 mm provide plenty of firepower to destroy boats
  • Secondary and AA armament is on a par with the main armament of most other PT boats
  • Armour provides significant protection against machine-guns and small caliber cannon HE ammunition

Cons:

  • Slow
  • Turrets have less armour than main tree version

History

Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the ship in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the ship and adding a block "/History" (example: https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Ship-name)/History) and add a link to it here using the main template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <ref></ref>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <references />. This section may also include the ship's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under === In-game description ===, also if applicable).

Media

See also

Links to articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:

  • reference to the series of the ship;
  • links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

External links

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  • topic on the official game forum;
  • encyclopedia page on ship;
  • other literature.


USSR boats
Motor torpedo boats  D-3 · G-5 · G-5 TKA 106 · Pr. 123bis · Pr. 123K (A-11) · Pr. 123K "Komsomolets" · Pr.183
Motor gun boats  G-5 (ShVAK) · MO-4 · OD-200 · Ya-5M
Motor torpedo gun boats  Pr. 206 · Pr. 206M · MPK pr. 12412
Gunboats  Groza
Armoured gun boats  BMO · MBK-161 (1943) · MBK-161 (1944) · MBK pr.186 · MBK pr.186 (MK 85) · Pr.1124 (1940) · Pr.1124 (1945) · Pr.1124 MLRS
  Pr.191 · Pr.191M · Pr. 1204 · Pr. 1204 late

USSR premium ships
Motor torpedo boats  G-5 (ShVAK) · Pr. 123K (A-11)
Motor gun boats  G-5 TKA 106 · Ya-5M
Armoured gun boats  MBK-161 (1943) · MBK pr.186 (MK 85) · Pr.1124 MLRS · Pr. 1204
Sub-chasers  MPK Pr.122bis
Frigates  Pr.50 «Rosomacha»
Destroyers  Kerch · Leningrad (leader) · Pr. 7U Stroyny · Pr. 41 Neustrashimy
Light cruisers  Zheleznyakov