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− | The '''15 cm/50 Type 41''' is a Japanese high | + | The '''152 mm 15 cm/50 Type 41''' is a Japanese high-calibre gun found as a primary weapon in a twin-turrets on the [[IJN Agano|Agano]] and a secondary single-mount casemate gun on [[Kongo (Family)|Kongo-class]] battleships. Historically it was a family of weapons originally designed by British Vickers in 1910, then redesigned for production in Japan in 1912. Aside from the aforementioned ships, the guns were also used on the Fusō-class battleships and as a coastal defenses on Guam. |
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== General info == | == General info == | ||
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− | Type 41 is a typical weapon for a cruiser, featuring a good mix of | + | The Type 41 is a typical weapon for a cruiser, featuring a good mix of calibre, rate of fire and the overall physical dimensions of the gun. It makes it suitable for engaging targets at a long range and directly countering destroyers. The key highlight is its SAP shells. |
=== Available ammunition === | === Available ammunition === | ||
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− | Both HE and SAP shells are sufficient to defeat | + | Both HE and SAP shells are sufficient to defeat armour on any destroyer or a coastal unit, while SAP shells will struggle only with some of the reinforced points on the heavy cruisers or larger warships. The key advantage of SAP shells is its explosion after 8.5 m, making it suitable for dealing with enemy destroyers without switching shells to HE. Given that SAP shells have nearly the same explosive filler as HE - using HE is extremely situational and SAP are superior in nearly all circumstances. |
HE-TF shells are available only on the twin-gun turrets of [[IJN Agano]], as these turrets have a significantly increased vertical guidance and targetting speed, making it possible to engage aerial targets. | HE-TF shells are available only on the twin-gun turrets of [[IJN Agano]], as these turrets have a significantly increased vertical guidance and targetting speed, making it possible to engage aerial targets. | ||
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=== Comparison with analogues === | === Comparison with analogues === | ||
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− | The gun is featured in two configurations: | + | The gun is featured in two configurations: single and dual-mount, with single-mount having much higher rate of fire, increasing from 6.2 shots/minute to 10 shots/minute, a 60% increase. |
− | The biggest pain point are its dated shells. {{Annotation|HE|High-explosive}} have | + | The biggest pain point are its dated shells. {{Annotation|HE|High-explosive}} shells have a low amount of explosive filler. {{Annotation|SAP|Semi armour-piercing}} rounds has a low penetration among the shells of the type, their explosive filler is relatively large, but in both statistics it's worse than the Soviet [[152 mm/57 B-38 (152 mm)]]. |
− | And while the single-mount weapon trades these disadvantages for a high rate of fire, the same cannot be said for the dual-mount. Still, it does have some key advantages: high elevation angles, | + | And while the single-mount weapon trades these disadvantages for a high rate of fire, the same cannot be said for the dual-mount. Still, it does have some key advantages: high elevation angles, a fast horizontal guidance speed and an added {{Annotation|HE-FT|High-explosive with time fuze}} shell (even if it has a small explosive filler). |
− | It's also worth mentioning that the muzzle velocity is relatively low comparing to its peers, however it's perfectly adequate, and both: lower and higher | + | It's also worth mentioning that the muzzle velocity is relatively low comparing to its peers, however it's perfectly adequate, and both: lower and higher calibre guns commonly feature lower muzzle velocities. |
==== HE ==== | ==== HE ==== | ||
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− | The weapon can be found as both: | + | The weapon can be found as both: primary weapon on [[IJN Agano]] (firing 6 shells broadside every 9.7sec) and a secondary weapon on the [[Kongo (Family)|Kongo-class]] (firing 4 shells every 6 seconds). In terms of TNT equivalent per minute for the HE shells this translates to 117,9 kg in Agano vs 126.8 kg in Kongo (or 95,1 kg/minute for the arcs where only Kongo's 3 guns can fire). So while at a first glance it might seem that the Type 41 as a secondary weapon is mostly just a filler, in reality it can output as much damage as a cruiser. |
=== Pros and cons === | === Pros and cons === | ||
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* Excellent SAP shell able to engage everything from a light cruiser to a motorboat | * Excellent SAP shell able to engage everything from a light cruiser to a motorboat | ||
− | * Single-mount version has an excellent fire | + | * Single-mount version has an excellent rate of fire for the calibre, making it relatively easy to engage coastal units at range |
'''Cons:''' | '''Cons:''' | ||
− | * No dedicated | + | * No dedicated armour-piercing shells make it difficult if not impossible to respond to the enemy heavy cruisers or battleships |
* Low explosive filler in the HE and HE-TF shells comparing to the contemporary shells | * Low explosive filler in the HE and HE-TF shells comparing to the contemporary shells | ||
− | * Dual-mount version has a relatively slow fire rate and | + | * Dual-mount version has a relatively slow fire rate and it's not compensated with more guns on a platform |
== History == | == History == | ||
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== See also == | == See also == | ||
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Revision as of 19:35, 29 August 2022
Contents
Description
The 152 mm 15 cm/50 Type 41 is a Japanese high-calibre gun found as a primary weapon in a twin-turrets on the Agano and a secondary single-mount casemate gun on Kongo-class battleships. Historically it was a family of weapons originally designed by British Vickers in 1910, then redesigned for production in Japan in 1912. Aside from the aforementioned ships, the guns were also used on the Fusō-class battleships and as a coastal defenses on Guam.
Vehicles equipped with this weapon
General info
The Type 41 is a typical weapon for a cruiser, featuring a good mix of calibre, rate of fire and the overall physical dimensions of the gun. It makes it suitable for engaging targets at a long range and directly countering destroyers. The key highlight is its SAP shells.
Available ammunition
Both HE and SAP shells are sufficient to defeat armour on any destroyer or a coastal unit, while SAP shells will struggle only with some of the reinforced points on the heavy cruisers or larger warships. The key advantage of SAP shells is its explosion after 8.5 m, making it suitable for dealing with enemy destroyers without switching shells to HE. Given that SAP shells have nearly the same explosive filler as HE - using HE is extremely situational and SAP are superior in nearly all circumstances.
HE-TF shells are available only on the twin-gun turrets of IJN Agano, as these turrets have a significantly increased vertical guidance and targetting speed, making it possible to engage aerial targets.
Penetration statistics | |||||||
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Ammunition | Type of warhead |
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm) | |||||
1,000 m | 2,500 m | 5,000 m | 7,500 m | 10,000 m | 15,000 m | ||
Type 0 HE | HE | 35 | 35 | 35 | 35 | 35 | 35 |
Type 4 SAP | SAP | 81 | 68 | 52 | 40 | 34 | 34 |
Type 0 HE-TF | HE-TF | 35 | 35 | 35 | 35 | 35 | 35 |
Shell details | |||||||||
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Ammunition | Type of warhead |
Velocity (m/s) |
Projectile Mass (kg) |
Fuse delay (s) |
Fuse sensitivity (mm) |
Explosive Mass (TNT equivalent) (g) |
Ricochet | ||
0% | 50% | 100% | |||||||
Type 0 HE | HE | 850 | 45.26 | 0 | 0.1 | 3,170 | 79° | 80° | 81° |
Type 4 SAP | SAP | 850 | 45.26 | 0.01 | 7 | 2,920 | 47° | 60° | 65° |
Type 0 HE-TF | HE-TF | 850 | 45.26 | 0 | 0.1 | 3,170 | 79° | 80° | 81° |
Comparison with analogues
The gun is featured in two configurations: single and dual-mount, with single-mount having much higher rate of fire, increasing from 6.2 shots/minute to 10 shots/minute, a 60% increase.
The biggest pain point are its dated shells. HE shells have a low amount of explosive filler. SAP rounds has a low penetration among the shells of the type, their explosive filler is relatively large, but in both statistics it's worse than the Soviet 152 mm/57 B-38 (152 mm).
And while the single-mount weapon trades these disadvantages for a high rate of fire, the same cannot be said for the dual-mount. Still, it does have some key advantages: high elevation angles, a fast horizontal guidance speed and an added HE-FT shell (even if it has a small explosive filler).
It's also worth mentioning that the muzzle velocity is relatively low comparing to its peers, however it's perfectly adequate, and both: lower and higher calibre guns commonly feature lower muzzle velocities.
HE
Cannon | Sample Ship | Ammo | Calibre (mm) |
Muzzle Velocity (m/s) |
Sustained rate of fire (rounds/min) |
Targeting speed (°/s) |
TNT Equivalent (kg) |
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm) | ||||
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Horizontal | Vertical | 1,000 m | 5,000 m | 10,000 m | ||||||||
15 cm/50 Type 41 (152 mm) | IJN Agano | HE | 152 | 850 | 6.2 | 10 | 6 | 3.17 | 35 | 35 | 35 | |
15 cm/50 Type 41 (152 mm) | IJN Kongo | HE | 152 | 850 | 10 | 4.2 | 4.2 | 3.17 | 35 | 35 | 35 | |
6-inch/45 Type 41 (152 mm) | IJN Settsu | HE | 152 | 825 | 5 | 4.2 | 4.2 | 5.28 | 43 | 43 | 43 | |
6 inch/53 Mk.12 (152 mm) | USS Raleigh | HE | 152 | 914 | 6 | 6.8 | 6 | 5.88 | 49 | 49 | 49 | |
6 inch/50 BL Mark XXIII (152 mm) | HMNZS Leander | HE | 152 | 841 | 8 | 6.0 | 8.5 | 3.96 | 37 | 37 | 37 | |
152/53 mm O.T.O. Mod.1929 (152 mm) | RN Raimondo Montecuccoli | HE | 152 | 935 | 8 | 5.1 | 4.2 | 2.39 | 29 | 29 | 29 | |
152 mm/57 B-38 (152 mm) | Sverdlov | HE | 152 | 950 | 7.5 | 6.1 | 11 | 6 | 50 | 50 | 50 |
SAP
Cannon | Sample Ship | Ammo | Calibre (mm) |
Muzzle Velocity (m/s) |
Sustained rate of fire (rounds/min) |
Targeting speed (°/s) |
TNT Equivalent (kg) |
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm) | ||||
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Horizontal | Vertical | 1,000 m | 5,000 m | 10,000 m | ||||||||
15 cm/50 Type 41 (152 mm) | IJN Agano | SAP | 152 | 850 | 6.2 | 10 | 6 | 2.92 | 81 | 52 | 34 | |
15 cm/50 Type 41 (152 mm) | IJN Kongo | SAP | 152 | 850 | 10 | 4.2 | 4.2 | 2.92 | 81 | 52 | 34 | |
6 inch/53 Mk.12 (152 mm) | USS Raleigh | SAP | 152 | 914 | 6 | 6.8 | 6 | 0.997 | 210 | 138 | 85 | |
6 inch/50 BL Mark XXIII (152 mm) | HMNZS Leander | SAPBC | 152 | 841 | 8 | 6.0 | 8.5 | 1.7 | 197 | 137 | 90 | |
152 mm/57 B-38 (152 mm) | Sverdlov | SAP | 152 | 950 | 7.5 | 6.1 | 11 | 5.9 | 172 | 117 | 74 |
HE-FT
Cannon | Sample Ship | Ammo | Calibre (mm) |
Muzzle Velocity (m/s) |
Sustained rate of fire (rounds/min) |
Targeting speed (°/s) |
TNT Equivalent (kg) |
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm) | ||||
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Horizontal | Vertical | 1,000 m | 5,000 m | 10,000 m | ||||||||
15 cm/50 Type 41 (152 mm) | IJN Agano | HE-TF | 152 | 850 | 6.2 | 10 | 6 | 3.17 | 35 | 35 | 35 | |
6 inch/50 BL Mark XXIII (152 mm) | HMNZS Leander | HE-TF | 152 | 841 | 8 | 6.0 | 8.5 | 3.96 | 37 | 37 | 37 | |
152/53 mm O.T.O. Mod.1929 (152 mm) | RN Raimondo Montecuccoli | HE-FT | 152 | 935 | 8 | 5.1 | 4.2 | 2.39 | 29 | 29 | 29 | |
152 mm/57 B-38 (152 mm) | Sverdlov | HE-FT | 152 | 950 | 7.5 | 6.1 | 11 | 6.56 | 53 | 53 | 53 |
Usage in battles
The weapon can be found as both: primary weapon on IJN Agano (firing 6 shells broadside every 9.7sec) and a secondary weapon on the Kongo-class (firing 4 shells every 6 seconds). In terms of TNT equivalent per minute for the HE shells this translates to 117,9 kg in Agano vs 126.8 kg in Kongo (or 95,1 kg/minute for the arcs where only Kongo's 3 guns can fire). So while at a first glance it might seem that the Type 41 as a secondary weapon is mostly just a filler, in reality it can output as much damage as a cruiser.
Pros and cons
Pros:
- Excellent SAP shell able to engage everything from a light cruiser to a motorboat
- Single-mount version has an excellent rate of fire for the calibre, making it relatively easy to engage coastal units at range
Cons:
- No dedicated armour-piercing shells make it difficult if not impossible to respond to the enemy heavy cruisers or battleships
- Low explosive filler in the HE and HE-TF shells comparing to the contemporary shells
- Dual-mount version has a relatively slow fire rate and it's not compensated with more guns on a platform
History
Examine the history of the creation and combat usage of the weapon in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the weapon and adding a block "/History" (example: https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Weapon-name)/History) and add a link to it here using the main
template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <ref></ref>
, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <references />
.
Media
Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.
See also
- 6-inch/45 Type 41 (152 mm)
- 6 inch/45 BL Mark VII (152 mm)
- 6 inch/45 BL Mark XII (152 mm)
- 6 inch/47 Mk.16 (152 mm)
- 6 inch/50 BL Mark XXIII (152 mm)
- 6 inch/50 QF Mark N5 (152 mm)
- 6 inch/53 Mk.12 (152 mm)
- 152 mm/57 B-38 (152 mm)
- 152/53 mm Ansaldo mod.1926 (152 mm)
- 152/53 mm O.T.O. Mod.1929 (152 mm)
External links
- [Wikipedia] 15 cm/50 41st Year Type
- [NavWeaps] 50 caliber 41st Year Type 15 cm Gun
- [Combined Fleet] Japanese Naval Ordnance - 6"/50 caliber
Japan naval cannons | |
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20 mm | JM61 · Type 98 |
25 mm | 25 mm/60 Type 96 |
37 mm | Type 4 · Type 11 pattern 1922 |
40 mm | 40 mm/62 Vickers |
57 mm | Type 97 |
75 mm | Type 88 AA |
76 mm | 3-inch/40 Type 41 · 8 cm/40 3rd Year Type · 8 cm/60 Type 98 |
100 mm | 100/65 mm Type 98 mod A |
120 mm | 120 mm/45 3rd Year Type · 120 mm/45 10th year type |
127 mm | 5 inch/40 Type 89 · 127 mm/50 3rd Year Type |
140 mm | 140 mm/50 3rd Year Type |
152 mm | 6-inch/45 Type 41 · 15 cm/50 Type 41 |
155 mm | 155 mm/60 3rd Year Type |
200 mm | 20 cm 3rd year type No.1 |
203 mm | 20 cm/45 Type 41 · 20 cm/50 3rd year type No.2 |
356 mm | 36 cm/45 Type 41 |
410 mm | 410 mm/45 Type 3 |
Foreign: | |
20 mm | 20 mm/70 Oerlikon Mk.II (USA/Britain) |
40 mm | Bofors L/60 Mark 1 (USA) · Bofors L/60 Mark 2 (USA) · Bofors L/60 Mark 3 (USA) |
47 mm | 3 pdr QF Hotchkiss (Britain) |
76 mm | 3-inch Mark 10 (USA) · 3 inch Mk.33 (USA) · 3-inch Mk.34 (USA) |
120 mm | 4,7-inch/40 Armstrong (Britain) |
127 mm | 5 inch/38 Mk.12 (USA) |
305 mm | 12-inch/45 Vickers (Britain) · 12-inch/50 Vickers (Britain) |