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== Description == | == Description == | ||
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− | The first contact between Israel and the Mystere IVA came from an order for 24 units placed in 1955 and 12 were delivered on April of 1956, while the other 12 planes were sent April 23. | + | The first contact between Israel and the Mystere IVA came from an order for 24 units placed in 1955 and 12 were delivered on April of 1956, while the other 12 planes were sent April 23. Another 36 planes would be flown in Operation 'Shaharit'. Israel operated 61 Mystere IVAs in total. During the Suez Crisis, Israeli Mysteres flew 147 sorties, losing only 1 aircraft and claiming several Egyptian MiG-15s and de Havilland Vampires |
− | Introduced in [[Update "Winged Lions"]] the Mystere IVA is a strong aircraft for | + | Introduced in [[Update "Winged Lions"]], the Mystere IVA is a strong aircraft for dogfighting if it has enough energy. It deals excellent damage with its 2 x 30 mm DEFA cannons that can destroy aircraft in a few shots. As a dogfighter, it bleeds a lot of energy in manoeuvres at low speeds (less than 700 km/h). Pilots should prioritize staying at high speeds above 850 km/h in order to retain good fighting capabilities and have enough speed to dodge missiles if necessary. The lack of acceleration and cruise speed favours a passive styles over a more aggressive style. |
== General info == | == General info == | ||
=== Flight performance === | === Flight performance === | ||
{{Specs-Avia-Flight}} | {{Specs-Avia-Flight}} | ||
− | <!-- ''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.'' -->The Mystere IVA, while having decent top speed, suffers from a very poor cruising speed and acceleration. This means that it | + | <!-- ''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.'' --> |
+ | The Mystere IVA, while having decent top speed, suffers from a very poor cruising speed and acceleration. This means that it will be outran and outmanoeuvred by most aircraft of the same BR. However it has great energy retention at speeds over 850 km/h which means that staying at high energy states is more advantageous. Most loadouts wont affect the flight performance too much, except for the 500 kg bombs and the Mk.2 incendiary bombs. | ||
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{{Specs-Avia-Armour}} | {{Specs-Avia-Armour}} | ||
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− | The Mystere IVA is a relatively | + | The Mystere IVA is a relatively large target, compared to other fighters from the same BR bracket. The fuel tanks occupy most of the aircraft, from the wing tips to the center of the aircraft. This layout makes fires easy to be start, so rounds (mainly incendiary) that won't destroy the airframe, could set it on fire with no problem. |
Armour Layout: | Armour Layout: | ||
− | * 2 x 16 mm steel plate [lower and upper back] of the pilot | + | * 2 x 16 mm steel plate [lower and upper back] of the pilot |
* 16 mm steel plate in the lower front of the pilot | * 16 mm steel plate in the lower front of the pilot | ||
− | * | + | * 40 mm windshield in the front of the cockpit |
=== Modifications and economy === | === Modifications and economy === | ||
− | {{Specs-Economy}}Pilots should prioritize the engine and other performance areas to combat the lack of power and only then go for ground | + | {{Specs-Economy}} |
+ | |||
+ | Pilots should prioritize the engine and other performance areas to combat the lack of power and only then go for ground ordnance. | ||
Recommended modifications for Air RB in order: | Recommended modifications for Air RB in order: | ||
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# Cover | # Cover | ||
− | After that, finish up the rest of the performance area and go for ground | + | After that, finish up the rest of the performance area and go for ground ordnance. If used in ground RB, go for the desired ground ordnance, belts first and then follow the modifications path mentioned earlier |
== Armaments == | == Armaments == | ||
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=== Suspended armament === | === Suspended armament === | ||
{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}} | {{Specs-Avia-Suspended}} | ||
− | <!-- ''Describe the aircraft's suspended armament: additional cannons under the wings, bombs, rockets and torpedoes. This section is especially important for bombers and attackers. If there is no suspended weaponry remove this subsection.'' -->The | + | <!-- ''Describe the aircraft's suspended armament: additional cannons under the wings, bombs, rockets and torpedoes. This section is especially important for bombers and attackers. If there is no suspended weaponry remove this subsection.'' --> |
+ | The Mystere IVA has a good amount of ground ordnance. The 4 x 500 kg bombs can destroy a full base and kill any ground target with a decent drop. The incendiary bombs work better against SPAA and also against full bases. The rockets offer the opportunity to destroy several ground targets of any kind if used with careful aim. | ||
The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance: | The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance: | ||
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== Usage in battles == | == Usage in battles == | ||
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− | ''' | + | '''Arcade Battles''' |
− | In AB the Mystere IVA is very capable as a support fighter | + | In AB, the Mystere IVA is very capable as a support fighter. The extra speed, climb rate, and acceleration compared to RB makes it so that it is capable of outrunning many of the planes that it face and also makes it more capable to participate in sustained fights where the energy would normally be a problem in RB and Sim. The gun radar helps with the aim at distances over 2 km, principally in head-ons where it helps giving a lead indicator to distances up to 3 km but is more inaccurate than the normal lead indicator present on arcade matches. |
− | ''' | + | '''Realistic Battles''' |
− | The Mystere IVA relies on its teammates | + | The Mystere IVA mostly relies on its teammates. The lack of engine power and poor energy retention makes it so that this plane is used better in a support role, picking enemies from the side of the map trying to flee to safety or killing enemies that are slow and vulnerable. It is outclassed by common threats like early MiG-21 variants, the early F-104s, the MiG-17/19 and the Lim-5P. Pilots should do their best job to keep their speed above 850 km/h and do very slight turns in order to not bleed that energy. Having an altitude advantage is also very rewarding, except in downtiers where interceptors such as the MiG-21s and F-104s can easily shoot down the Mystere IVA. In dogfights it can outmanoeuvre most jets as long as it has good energy, so sustained dogfights are not recommended. |
− | ''' | + | '''Simulator Battles''' |
− | Like many other planes from the same BR bracket | + | Like many other planes from the same BR bracket, the Mystere IVA suffers from a lack of radar or missiles. This means that interceptors can easily catch you unnoticed and kill you with a missile. In SB, the Mystere IVA works better with a wingman to provide a couple of extra eyes to look in the sky. This can also be achieved in escort missions, providing valuable protection to bombers or attack aircraft like the A-4 Skyhawk. Flying low is also recommended to avoid radar detection and to use terrain as a cover against faster planes in evasive manoeuvres. |
=== Pros and cons === | === Pros and cons === | ||
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'''Pros:''' | '''Pros:''' | ||
− | * Good energy retention at high speeds | + | * Good energy retention at high speeds (850 km/h+) |
* Excellent damage in the cannons | * Excellent damage in the cannons | ||
* Good amount of ammo for the cannons | * Good amount of ammo for the cannons | ||
− | * Excellent | + | * Excellent manoeuvrability at high speeds |
* Good airbrakes and roll rate for making enemies overshoot | * Good airbrakes and roll rate for making enemies overshoot | ||
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'''Cons:''' | '''Cons:''' | ||
* Poor manoeuvrability at low speeds | * Poor manoeuvrability at low speeds | ||
− | * Inadequate energy retention at speeds below | + | * Inadequate energy retention at speeds below 700 km/h |
* Low muzzle velocity for the cannons | * Low muzzle velocity for the cannons | ||
* Bad acceleration and cruise speed without upgrades | * Bad acceleration and cruise speed without upgrades |
Revision as of 08:14, 2 August 2023
This page is about the jet fighter Mystere IVA (Israel). For other versions, see Mystere (Family). |
Contents
Description
The first contact between Israel and the Mystere IVA came from an order for 24 units placed in 1955 and 12 were delivered on April of 1956, while the other 12 planes were sent April 23. Another 36 planes would be flown in Operation 'Shaharit'. Israel operated 61 Mystere IVAs in total. During the Suez Crisis, Israeli Mysteres flew 147 sorties, losing only 1 aircraft and claiming several Egyptian MiG-15s and de Havilland Vampires
Introduced in Update "Winged Lions", the Mystere IVA is a strong aircraft for dogfighting if it has enough energy. It deals excellent damage with its 2 x 30 mm DEFA cannons that can destroy aircraft in a few shots. As a dogfighter, it bleeds a lot of energy in manoeuvres at low speeds (less than 700 km/h). Pilots should prioritize staying at high speeds above 850 km/h in order to retain good fighting capabilities and have enough speed to dodge missiles if necessary. The lack of acceleration and cruise speed favours a passive styles over a more aggressive style.
General info
Flight performance
The Mystere IVA, while having decent top speed, suffers from a very poor cruising speed and acceleration. This means that it will be outran and outmanoeuvred by most aircraft of the same BR. However it has great energy retention at speeds over 850 km/h which means that staying at high energy states is more advantageous. Most loadouts wont affect the flight performance too much, except for the 500 kg bombs and the Mk.2 incendiary bombs.
Characteristics | Max Speed (km/h at 0 m - sea level) |
Max altitude (metres) |
Turn time (seconds) |
Rate of climb (metres/second) |
Take-off run (metres) | |||
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AB | RB | AB | RB | AB | RB | |||
Stock | 1,073 | 1,039 | 13000 | 26.1 | 27.2 | 27.2 | 27.2 | 800 |
Upgraded | 1,124 | 1,109 | 24.2 | 25.0 | 48.1 | 37.0 |
Details
Features | |||||
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Combat flaps | Take-off flaps | Landing flaps | Air brakes | Arrestor gear | Drogue chute |
✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | X | X |
Limits | ||||||
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Wings (km/h) | Gear (km/h) | Flaps (km/h) | Max Static G | |||
Combat | Take-off | Landing | + | - | ||
1,166 | 447 | 620 | 586 | 408 | ~12 | ~4 |
Optimal velocities (km/h) | |||
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Ailerons | Rudder | Elevators | Radiator |
< 590 | < 610 | < 635 | N/A |
Engine performance
Engine | Aircraft mass | ||||||
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Engine name | Number | Basic mass | Wing loading (full fuel) | ||||
Hispano-Suiza Verdon-350 | 1 | 6,028 kg | 250 kg/m2 | ||||
Engine characteristics | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) | Max Takeoff Weight | |||||
Weight (each) | Type | 9m fuel | 20m fuel | 30m fuel | 33m fuel | ||
950 kg | Centrifugal-flow turbojet | 6,615 kg | 7,204 kg | 7,791 kg | 7,986 kg | 9,600 kg | |
Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB/SB) | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (100%) | ||||||
Condition | 100% | WEP | 9m fuel | 20m fuel | 30m fuel | 33m fuel | MTOW |
Stationary | 3,300 kgf | N/A | 0.50 | 0.46 | 0.42 | 0.41 | 0.34 |
Optimal | 3,300 kgf (0 km/h) |
N/A | 0.50 | 0.46 | 0.42 | 0.41 | 0.34 |
Survivability and armour
The Mystere IVA is a relatively large target, compared to other fighters from the same BR bracket. The fuel tanks occupy most of the aircraft, from the wing tips to the center of the aircraft. This layout makes fires easy to be start, so rounds (mainly incendiary) that won't destroy the airframe, could set it on fire with no problem.
Armour Layout:
- 2 x 16 mm steel plate [lower and upper back] of the pilot
- 16 mm steel plate in the lower front of the pilot
- 40 mm windshield in the front of the cockpit
Modifications and economy
Pilots should prioritize the engine and other performance areas to combat the lack of power and only then go for ground ordnance.
Recommended modifications for Air RB in order:
- Fuselage Repair
- Compressor
- Engine
- Airframe
- Wings Repair
- Cover
After that, finish up the rest of the performance area and go for ground ordnance. If used in ground RB, go for the desired ground ordnance, belts first and then follow the modifications path mentioned earlier
Armaments
Offensive armament
The Mystere IVA (Israel) is armed with:
- 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552 cannons, chin-mounted (150 rpg = 300 total)
The twin DEFA cannons are very effective against all sorts of targets, a few well placed shots of Air-Target belts would destroy an aircraft with no problem. While the ground target belts can deal with the roof armour of most medium and light targets that it would encounter.
Suspended armament
The Mystere IVA has a good amount of ground ordnance. The 4 x 500 kg bombs can destroy a full base and kill any ground target with a decent drop. The incendiary bombs work better against SPAA and also against full bases. The rockets offer the opportunity to destroy several ground targets of any kind if used with careful aim.
The Mystere IVA (Israel) can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | ||
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250/50 kg G.P. bombs | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | ||
400 kg SAMP Type 21 bombs | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | ||
500/50 kg G.P. bombs | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | ||
Mk.2 incendiary bombs | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | ||
SNEB type 23 rockets | 19 | 19 | 55 | 19 | 19 | |
T10 151 rockets | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | ||
Maximum permissible loadout weight: 1,860 kg Maximum permissible weight imbalance: 850 kg |
Default weapon presets | |
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Usage in battles
Arcade Battles
In AB, the Mystere IVA is very capable as a support fighter. The extra speed, climb rate, and acceleration compared to RB makes it so that it is capable of outrunning many of the planes that it face and also makes it more capable to participate in sustained fights where the energy would normally be a problem in RB and Sim. The gun radar helps with the aim at distances over 2 km, principally in head-ons where it helps giving a lead indicator to distances up to 3 km but is more inaccurate than the normal lead indicator present on arcade matches.
Realistic Battles
The Mystere IVA mostly relies on its teammates. The lack of engine power and poor energy retention makes it so that this plane is used better in a support role, picking enemies from the side of the map trying to flee to safety or killing enemies that are slow and vulnerable. It is outclassed by common threats like early MiG-21 variants, the early F-104s, the MiG-17/19 and the Lim-5P. Pilots should do their best job to keep their speed above 850 km/h and do very slight turns in order to not bleed that energy. Having an altitude advantage is also very rewarding, except in downtiers where interceptors such as the MiG-21s and F-104s can easily shoot down the Mystere IVA. In dogfights it can outmanoeuvre most jets as long as it has good energy, so sustained dogfights are not recommended.
Simulator Battles
Like many other planes from the same BR bracket, the Mystere IVA suffers from a lack of radar or missiles. This means that interceptors can easily catch you unnoticed and kill you with a missile. In SB, the Mystere IVA works better with a wingman to provide a couple of extra eyes to look in the sky. This can also be achieved in escort missions, providing valuable protection to bombers or attack aircraft like the A-4 Skyhawk. Flying low is also recommended to avoid radar detection and to use terrain as a cover against faster planes in evasive manoeuvres.
Pros and cons
Pros:
- Good energy retention at high speeds (850 km/h+)
- Excellent damage in the cannons
- Good amount of ammo for the cannons
- Excellent manoeuvrability at high speeds
- Good airbrakes and roll rate for making enemies overshoot
Cons:
- Poor manoeuvrability at low speeds
- Inadequate energy retention at speeds below 700 km/h
- Low muzzle velocity for the cannons
- Bad acceleration and cruise speed without upgrades
- Poor vertical performance and manoeuvrability
History
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, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <references />
. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under === In-game description ===
, also if applicable).
Media
See also
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- reference to the series of the aircraft;
- links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.
External links
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- topic on the official game forum;
- other literature.
Dassault Aviation | |
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WW2* | |
Fighters | M.B.152C1 · M.B.157 |
Bombers | M.B.162 · M.B.174A-3 · M.B.175T |
Jet Aircraft | |
M.D 450 | M.D.450B Barougan · M.D.450B Ouragan |
Mystère | M.D.452 IIA · M.D.452 IIC · Mystere IVA |
Super Mystère | Super Mystere B2 |
Étendard | Etendard IVM |
Super Étendard | Super Etendard |
Alpha Jet | Alpha Jet E** |
Mirage | |
Mirage III | Mirage IIIC · Mirage IIIE · Milan |
Mirage V | Mirage 5F |
Mirage F1 | Mirage F1C · Mirage F1C-200 · Mirage F1CT |
Mirage 2000 | Mirage 2000-5F · Mirage 2000C-S4 · Mirage 2000C-S5 · Mirage 2000D-R1 · Mirage 2000D-RMV |
Mirage 4000 | Mirage 4000 |
Export | |
M.D 450 | M.D.450B Ouragan |
Mystere | Mystere IVA |
Super Mystère | Sambad · Sa'ar*** |
Mirage | Shahak · ▄Mirage 5BA · ␗Mirage 2000-5Ei |
*The company was named "Société des Avions Marcel Bloch" before being renamed in 1947 | |
**Jointly manufactured with Dornier Flugzeugwerke | |
***Israeli Super Mystère refitted with new avionics and an American engine | |
See also | SABCA |
Israel jet aircraft | |
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Kfir Canard · Kfir C.2 · Kfir C.7 · Nesher | |
Britain | |
Meteor | Meteor NF.13 · Meteor F.8 |
France | |
Vautour | Vautour IIA · Vautour IIN |
Super Mystere | Sambad · Sa'ar |
Mirage III | Shahak |
Other | M.D.450B Ouragan · Mystere IVA |
USA | |
F-84 | F-84F |
A-4 | A-4H · A-4E Early (M) · A-4E · Ayit |
F-4 | Kurnass · Kurnass 2000 |
F-15 | Baz · Baz Meshupar · F-15I Ra’am |
F-16 | Netz · F-16C Barak II · F-16D Barak II |