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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.73 "Vive la France"]].
 
The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.73 "Vive la France"]].
  
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The V.G.33 can adequately deal with planes with similar BR. It is quick, nimble (to an extent), and powerful. Its machine guns and single propeller-mounted 20mm does a decent amount of damage. However, it lacks armor, so take that into account when engaging other aircraft.
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The V.G.33 can adequately deal with planes with similar BR. It is quick, nimble (to an extent), and powerful. Its machine guns and single propeller-mounted 20 mm do a decent amount of damage. However, it lacks armour, so take that into account when engaging other aircraft.
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
 
=== Flight performance ===
 
=== Flight performance ===
 
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The aircraft flies well, as would be expected of a light fighter. Although its rate of climb is not the best, it is fast and retains energy well, allowing it to be used as a successful energy fighter. It has a good enough turn time, although it's not good enough to compete with the British and Japanese fighters at the BR. It is usually fast enough to outturn common foes such as Fw-190s and Bf109s.
  
 
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* 3 mm Steel plate between engine and oil cooling system.
 
* 3 mm Steel plate between engine and oil cooling system.
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Due to the plane's general lack of armour, except for a 3mm steel plate between the engine and the oil cooling system, it's survivability is limited. . Although its airframe can survive more punishment than would be expected of such a lightweight wooden structure, it should not be relied on as an asset of this aircraft. Think of a hit survived as a lucky roll of the dice. The best policy for survival in this aircraft is to not be hit.
  
 
=== Modifications and economy ===
 
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* 1 x 20 mm Hispano 404 cannon, nose-mounted (60 rpg)
 
* 1 x 20 mm Hispano 404 cannon, nose-mounted (60 rpg)
 
* 4 x 7.5 mm MAC 1934 machine guns, wing-mounted (500 rpg = 2,000 total)
 
* 4 x 7.5 mm MAC 1934 machine guns, wing-mounted (500 rpg = 2,000 total)
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The aircraft's armament can be powerful, but only in the right circumstances and when used correctly. As with many French aircraft, it possesses a potent propeller-hub mounted Hispano cannon, but it has very limited ammo. This is both a blessing and a curse, as while it does help with learning to conserve ammo and improving leading, it can be a steep learning curve, especially for those with less capable aim. The 20mm is supported by 4 x 7.5 mm MAC 1934 machine guns. These machine guns are also found on many French planes. While they have poor damage when stock, once the tracer belt is unlocked, these guns are quite potent, although they should not be relied on for larger targets such as bombers. It is recommended to use weapon selection to conserve 20mm ammunition for only when a hit is guaranteed, to make the most of the limited ammunition supplies. 
  
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
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The V.G is a very competitive aircraft at its Battle Rating, with decent climb rate, good speed and good manoeuvrability. Its biggest weaknesses are its lack of ammo and lack of armour. To take advantage of this plane it's best to side climb and exploit any opportunities that are spotted. Both turn fighting and BnZ tactics work well with this plane but turn fighting is the better of the two due to the lack of ammo, it also allows for, generally speaking, a better and cleaner shot. Trigger control is key when flying this.
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The V.G.33C-1 is a very competitive aircraft at its battle rating, with decent climb rate, good speed and good manoeuvrability. Its biggest weaknesses are its lack of ammunition and lack of armour. To take advantage of this plane, it's best to side climb and exploit any opportunities that will present themselves. Both turnfighting and BnZ tactics work well with this plane but turnfighting is the better of the two due to the lack of ammo, it also allows for, generally speaking, a better and cleaner shot. Trigger control is key when flying this plane. Though not as manoeuvrable as a spitfire, it can sustain a turnfight with an F6F, Yak-7 or Yak-9, but against a fighter like a I-16, you can use your high horsepower engine in a steep climb while dodging out of the way of its guns, to stall it out so you can finish him off with your 7.5 mm MGs.
  
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Mastering trigger control is crucial for aircraft with low ammo count, particularly those with 60-round drums. An interesting way to practice trigger discipline is to bind the keys for firing (usually RMB) and bailing out (usually J) together. This way you are forced to fire short bursts for no more than 3 seconds each time, or you will be bailed out. This can be very effective as short bursts within 3 seconds long are generally enough to cripple if not destroy a target, and the price for shooting longer than that is losing the chance to keep fighting, which is a lesson one will not want to learn. 
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In mixed ground battles, your anti-tank capabilities are limited as the penetration of your 20 mm Hispano 404 cannon is insufficient. Up close, you can penetrate the roof of the Pz.III, and perhaps the engine deck, depending on angle. Your main target shouldn't be ground vehicles, but strike aircraft and fighters. With your relatively weak armament, bombers will be tough to bring down, and the fragile inline engine cannot take much fire before becoming inoperable.
  
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=== Pros and cons ===
 
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* Impressive efficiency of 4 x 7.5 mm MAC 1934 machine guns
 
* Impressive efficiency of 4 x 7.5 mm MAC 1934 machine guns
 
* Amazing climb rate, about as good as the BF-109s
 
* Amazing climb rate, about as good as the BF-109s
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* Excellent high altitude performance, better than the P-38G-1 Lightning, at the battle rating of 3.3
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* Excellent high altitude performance
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* Amazing energy retention, probably the best for what it faces (up to 3.7 battle rating).
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* Amazing energy retention, probably the best for what it faces
 
* Lightweight can zoom climb away from most enemies in the middle of a dogfight
 
* Lightweight can zoom climb away from most enemies in the middle of a dogfight
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* High energy retention when exiting a dive
  
 
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* 20 mm cannon has very small ammo pool
 
* 20 mm cannon has very small ammo pool
 
* 20 mm cannon under-performs until you research new ammunition belts
 
* 20 mm cannon under-performs until you research new ammunition belts
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* Too weak, especially the fuel tanks
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* Weak survivability, especially the fuel tanks and inline engine
 
* Below average roll rate
 
* Below average roll rate
 
* No combat take-off flaps
 
* No combat take-off flaps
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* The engine overheats quickly at low altitude (below 4,000 m, or 12,000 ft)
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* The engine overheats quickly at low altitude (below 4,000 m / 12,000 ft)
  
 
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The VG33 C-1 was a member of the VG series that was designed in 1936. It was aimed to provide a solution to the French Airforce's lack of modern fighter aircraft. To achieve this, it used a wooden structure, which could utilise France's forests, alleviating the shortages in aluminium. It was designed to the same contract as the [[C.R.714]] and the Bloch MB.700. The Vg.30 was originally intended to be powered by a Potez 12Dc inline engine, but due to development issues with the engine, the prototype first flew in October 1938 with a Hispano-Suiza 12Xcrs. The VG 33 itself was a modified version of the VG-31, which used the  Hispano-Suiza 12Y-31 and which first flew in 1939, with great success.  
  
 
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Latest revision as of 07:17, 14 December 2023

Rank VI | Premium | Golden Eagles
Chinese A-5C Pack
V.G.33C-1
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V.G.33C-1
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II Rank
Battle rating:
AB RB SB
3.0 2.7 2.7
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Description

The V.G.33C-1 is a rank II French fighter with a battle rating of 3.0 (AB) and 2.7 (RB/SB). It was introduced in Update 1.73 "Vive la France".

The V.G.33 can adequately deal with planes with similar BR. It is quick, nimble (to an extent), and powerful. Its machine guns and single propeller-mounted 20 mm do a decent amount of damage. However, it lacks armour, so take that into account when engaging other aircraft.

General info

Flight performance

Max speed
at 4 500 m558 km/h
Turn time19 s
Max altitude9 500 m
EngineHispano-Suiza 12Y-31
TypeInline
Cooling systemWater
Take-off weight2 t

The aircraft flies well, as would be expected of a light fighter. Although its rate of climb is not the best, it is fast and retains energy well, allowing it to be used as a successful energy fighter. It has a good enough turn time, although it's not good enough to compete with the British and Japanese fighters at the BR. It is usually fast enough to outturn common foes such as Fw-190s and Bf109s.

Characteristics Max Speed
(km/h at 4,500 m) 		Max altitude
(metres) 		Turn time
(seconds) 		Rate of climb
(metres/second) 		Take-off run
(metres)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
Stock 537 523 9500 19.7 20.5 10.4 10.4 300
Upgraded 588 558 18.8 19.0 20.4 13.4

Details

Features
Combat flaps Take-off flaps Landing flaps Air brakes Arrestor gear
X X ✓ X X
Limits
Wings (km/h) Gear (km/h) Flaps (km/h) Max Static G
Combat Take-off Landing + -
800 320 N/A N/A 270 ~12 ~9
Optimal velocities (km/h)
Ailerons Rudder Elevators Radiator
< 350 < 350 < 430 > 340

Survivability and armour

Crew1 person
Speed of destruction
Structural0 km/h
Gear320 km/h
  • 3 mm Steel plate between engine and oil cooling system.

Due to the plane's general lack of armour, except for a 3mm steel plate between the engine and the oil cooling system, it's survivability is limited. . Although its airframe can survive more punishment than would be expected of such a lightweight wooden structure, it should not be relied on as an asset of this aircraft. Think of a hit survived as a lucky roll of the dice. The best policy for survival in this aircraft is to not be hit.

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference
AB495 → 626 Sl icon.png
RB995 → 1 259 Sl icon.png
SB1 407 → 1 781 Sl icon.png
Total cost of modifications8 400 Rp icon.png
9 390 Sl icon.png
Talisman cost640 Ge icon.png
Crew training4 500 Sl icon.png
Experts16 000 Sl icon.png
Aces180 Ge icon.png
Research Aces190 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
30 / 70 / 150 % Sl icon.png
118 / 118 / 118 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Flight performance Survivability Weaponry
Mods aerodinamic fuse.png
Fuselage repair
Research:
560 Rp icon.png
Cost:
630 Sl icon.png
85 Ge icon.png
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Radiator
Research:
560 Rp icon.png
Cost:
630 Sl icon.png
85 Ge icon.png
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Compressor
Research:
630 Rp icon.png
Cost:
710 Sl icon.png
95 Ge icon.png
Mods aerodinamic wing.png
Wings repair
Research:
700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
790 Sl icon.png
105 Ge icon.png
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Engine
Research:
700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
790 Sl icon.png
105 Ge icon.png
Mods metanol.png
Engine injection
Research:
910 Rp icon.png
Cost:
1 000 Sl icon.png
140 Ge icon.png
Mods armor frame.png
Airframe
Research:
630 Rp icon.png
Cost:
710 Sl icon.png
95 Ge icon.png
Mods armor cover.png
Cover
Research:
910 Rp icon.png
Cost:
1 000 Sl icon.png
140 Ge icon.png
Mods ammo.png
7_5mm_belt_pack
Research:
560 Rp icon.png
Cost:
630 Sl icon.png
85 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods weapon.png
mac39_new_gun
Research:
630 Rp icon.png
Cost:
710 Sl icon.png
95 Ge icon.png
Mods ammo.png
hispano_belt_pack
Research:
700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
790 Sl icon.png
105 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
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hispano_404_new_gun
Research:
910 Rp icon.png
Cost:
1 000 Sl icon.png
140 Ge icon.png

Armaments

Offensive armament

Weapon 120 mm Hispano 404 cannon
Ammunition60 rounds
Fire rate700 shots/min
Weapon 24 x 7.5 mm MAC 1934 machine gun
Ammunition2 000 rounds
Fire rate1 350 shots/min
Main articles: Hispano 404 (20 mm), MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)

The V.G.33C-1 is armed with:

  • 1 x 20 mm Hispano 404 cannon, nose-mounted (60 rpg)
  • 4 x 7.5 mm MAC 1934 machine guns, wing-mounted (500 rpg = 2,000 total)

The aircraft's armament can be powerful, but only in the right circumstances and when used correctly. As with many French aircraft, it possesses a potent propeller-hub mounted Hispano cannon, but it has very limited ammo. This is both a blessing and a curse, as while it does help with learning to conserve ammo and improving leading, it can be a steep learning curve, especially for those with less capable aim. The 20mm is supported by 4 x 7.5 mm MAC 1934 machine guns. These machine guns are also found on many French planes. While they have poor damage when stock, once the tracer belt is unlocked, these guns are quite potent, although they should not be relied on for larger targets such as bombers. It is recommended to use weapon selection to conserve 20mm ammunition for only when a hit is guaranteed, to make the most of the limited ammunition supplies.

Usage in battles

The V.G.33C-1 is a very competitive aircraft at its battle rating, with decent climb rate, good speed and good manoeuvrability. Its biggest weaknesses are its lack of ammunition and lack of armour. To take advantage of this plane, it's best to side climb and exploit any opportunities that will present themselves. Both turnfighting and BnZ tactics work well with this plane but turnfighting is the better of the two due to the lack of ammo, it also allows for, generally speaking, a better and cleaner shot. Trigger control is key when flying this plane. Though not as manoeuvrable as a spitfire, it can sustain a turnfight with an F6F, Yak-7 or Yak-9, but against a fighter like a I-16, you can use your high horsepower engine in a steep climb while dodging out of the way of its guns, to stall it out so you can finish him off with your 7.5 mm MGs.

In mixed ground battles, your anti-tank capabilities are limited as the penetration of your 20 mm Hispano 404 cannon is insufficient. Up close, you can penetrate the roof of the Pz.III, and perhaps the engine deck, depending on angle. Your main target shouldn't be ground vehicles, but strike aircraft and fighters. With your relatively weak armament, bombers will be tough to bring down, and the fragile inline engine cannot take much fire before becoming inoperable.

Manual Engine Control

MEC elements
Mixer Pitch Radiator Supercharger Turbocharger
Oil Water Type
Not controllable Controllable
Not auto controlled 		Controllable
Not auto controlled 		Controllable
Not auto controlled 		Separate Not controllable
1 gear 		Not controllable

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • 20 mm cannon is very dangerous, especially with high explosive ammunition
  • Relatively fast
  • Excellent manoeuvrability
  • Impressive efficiency of 4 x 7.5 mm MAC 1934 machine guns
  • Amazing climb rate, about as good as the BF-109s
  • Excellent high altitude performance
  • Amazing energy retention, probably the best for what it faces
  • Lightweight can zoom climb away from most enemies in the middle of a dogfight
  • High energy retention when exiting a dive

Cons:

  • 20 mm cannon has very small ammo pool
  • 20 mm cannon under-performs until you research new ammunition belts
  • Weak survivability, especially the fuel tanks and inline engine
  • Below average roll rate
  • No combat take-off flaps
  • The engine overheats quickly at low altitude (below 4,000 m / 12,000 ft)

History

The VG33 C-1 was a member of the VG series that was designed in 1936. It was aimed to provide a solution to the French Airforce's lack of modern fighter aircraft. To achieve this, it used a wooden structure, which could utilise France's forests, alleviating the shortages in aluminium. It was designed to the same contract as the C.R.714 and the Bloch MB.700. The Vg.30 was originally intended to be powered by a Potez 12Dc inline engine, but due to development issues with the engine, the prototype first flew in October 1938 with a Hispano-Suiza 12Xcrs. The VG 33 itself was a modified version of the VG-31, which used the  Hispano-Suiza 12Y-31 and which first flew in 1939, with great success.

Media

Skins
Videos
The Shooting Range #72 - Pages of History section at 08:21 discusses the V.G.33.

See also

Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:

  • reference to the series of the aircraft;
  • links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

External links


Arsenal Aeronautical (Arsenal de l'Aéronautique)
Fighters  VB.10-02 · VB.10C-1
  V.G.33C-1

France fighters
Dewoitine  D.371 · D.371 H.S.9 · D.373 · D.500 · D.501 · Pallier's D.510 · D.520
Morane-Saulnier  M.S.405C1 · M.S.406C1 · M.S.410
Arsenal  V.G.33C-1
Bloch  M.B.152C1 · M.B.157
Caudron  C.R.714
Sud-Ouest  S.O.8000 Narval
American  H-75A-1 · H-75A-4 · ▄P-39Q-25 · ▄P-40F-5 Lafayette · ▄P-47D-22-RE · ▄P-63C-5 · F-6C-10-NA
  ▄F6F-5 · ▄F6F-5N · F4U-7 · ▄F8F-1B
Other countries  ▄Seafire LF Mk.III · ▄Yak-3 · Challe's ▄Yak-9T · NC.900
Belgium  ▄Gladiator Mk I · ▄Spitfire FR Mk XIVe
Netherlands  ◘Sea Fury FB 51

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