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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
 
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French medium tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]]. It uses the same 90 mm SA45 cannon as the [[ARL-44]] but has a 7 round auto-loader and a better armour pattern while being more mobile. It is clearly better than any rank III French tanks, offering new battle opportunities.
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In the late 1940s, the French Army sought to replace its aging medium tanks with a new 50-ton medium tank that would serve as the main asset in armoured divisions. The French company AMX initially proposed an under-armoured version of the Tiger II tank with 30 mm plates, but after feedback from the army, the armour was enhanced to 80 mm in the front and 40 mm on the sides. Changes were made to reduce weight in other aspects of the tank, such as introducing a new oscillating turret and redesigning the suspension wheels. The first prototype, named M4, featured a 90 mm SA47 gun and was slightly over 50 tons. A second prototype with a 100 mm SA 47 L/50 gun led to the development of the AMX-50 tank.
  
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This is the sturdiest representative of French rank IV vehicles, from which it shares some common features: good mobility, an oscillating turret (fitted with an auto-loader), sloped armour in front and back, high hull, high gun placement, good gun depression, 4 crew member, a coaxial MAC 31 machine gun and large tracks. What distinguishes the AMX M4 is its [[Panther D|Panther]]-like hull, its efficient 90 mm SA45 gun inherited from the [[ARL-44]] and the thickest armour pattern of all French ground forces with 80 mm sloped at ~55° in the frontal area.
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It was introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]]. It uses an improved 90 mm SA47 cannon over the [[ARL-44]] and has a 7-round autoloader and a better armour layout while being more mobile. Marking a new generation of French tanks, the AMX M4 is the prototype of what to expect from French tank development moving forward. The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is the sturdiest representative of French rank IV vehicles, from which it shares some common features: good mobility, an oscillating turret (fitted with an autoloader), sloped armour in front and back, high hull, high gun placement, good gun depression, 4 crew members, a coaxial MAC 31 machine gun and large tracks. What distinguishes the AMX M4 is its [[Panther D|Panther]]-like hull, its efficient 90 mm SA47 gun developed from the [[ARL-44]] and the thickest armour pattern of all French ground forces with 80 mm sloped at ~55° in the frontal area.
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
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* Floor armour is 20 mm thick, with the underside of the sponsons also being 20 mm thick.
 
* Floor armour is 20 mm thick, with the underside of the sponsons also being 20 mm thick.
  
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As said above, this tank's armour is very similar to that of the famous German tanks, it's hull even shares the same general patterns and dimensions, the distinctive features being...weak spots: an almost flat portion between UFP and LFP and two 60 mm "corners" above the tracks. As for the frontal turret part, it is sufficiently thick to endure many nasty hits, as long as you do not leave your foe enough time to aim: the turret ring area, while still being 80 mm thick, is flat. As for side armour, it is a good reason to keep away from front line duty: 35 mm flat armour does not protect from anything bigger than HMG fire. the hull's back is sloped, which may deviate some shots and prevent long-range "back flanking". The most exposed part of this tank is the turret's back, with only 20 mm of armour between the bulge and the turret ring.
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The AMX M4, a post-war French tank, is a remarkable fusion of German tank design elements, drawing inspiration from the [[Panther tank (Family)|Panther]] for its robust armour, the [[Tiger (Disambiguation)|Tiger I/II]] for its mobility and firepower, and integrating French innovation with an oscillating turret and autoloader.
  
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In sum, engage frontally, avoid anything bigger than a slight angle as it may expose the 60 mm UFP "corners". Distance is a great tool to avoid your weak spots being easily targeted. This armour's role quite fluctuates as it depends on if what it faces can penetrate it or not.
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The armour profile is a notable feature, featuring an 80 mm angled front glacis and 60 mm pre-angled front cheeks, rendering it somewhat resilient in frontal engagements. Against WW2 tanks like the T-34-85 and M4A3E2, the AMX M4's frontal armour is quite resilient, being able to take shots confidently (unless the shot strikes a weakspot on the oscillating turret). It can even bounce shots from a Tiger I if angled properly! However, against its Cold War counterparts such as the M41, T29, etc, the armour will get easily penetrated. Moreover, the side and rear armour are thin, only being able to shrug off small calibre rounds when angled, underscoring the significance of strategic positioning during combat scenarios.
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Dealing with an opponent AMX M4 leads to a new sort of challenge. It is hard to penetrate from a distance, but if you can do it, then it's sniper battle time. If your guns do not provide enough power at distances, then get personal: the closer you are, the better you can disable it, here are a few tips for dealing with an AMX M4:
 
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Any French rank IV tank has a good gun capable of going through most armours at standard combat ranges (and above), they are even more frightful when knowing about their good reload rates (they all have autoloaders). With that in mind, engage them first so that they (maybe) will not have enough time to reload a second shell. Specifically, to the AMX M4, this tank's armour is virtually as resistant as a Panther tank: if you can't go through a Panther, you neither cannot with this tank, unless you shoot its weak spots. Don't panic though, its side armour is only 35 mm, which makes it very vulnerable to flanking and "multi-target" engagements: it can't protect itself well from two tank if they are enough apart from each other.
 
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As for flanking onto a single AMX M4, it must be dealt with quick: its fast turret turning speed allows it to react quite fast to either of its sides. Try to disable its ''large gun breech'' first so it won't be able to fire in a long time (this may also ammo-rack it if detonating a pre-loaded ammo), only then finish it off, if the first hit/series of hits (SPAAs) does not disable it from firing back, consider yourself done.
 
  
 
=== Mobility ===
 
=== Mobility ===
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Post-war French designs are all very good at moving around: they have good engines, wide tracks and can easily achieve ~40 km/h on most terrains. The {{PAGENAME}} may be the worst of them all, on par with the [[AMX-50|AMX-50-100]] as they share a ''very similar'' hull, they still have ''above average'' mobility, when compared to other medium tanks at the same BR. This observation is based on the fact that this tank's reverse speed only reaches -5 km/h and it does not have the ability to do neutral steering, anything else is comparable to its contemporaries.
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Post-war French designs are all very good at moving around: they have good engines, wide tracks and can easily achieve ~40 km/h offroad. The {{PAGENAME}} may be the worst of them all, on par with the [[AMX-50 (TOA100)]] as they share a very similar hull; but they still have above average mobility, when compared to other medium tanks at the same BR.
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With a speed of 50 km/h and nice acceleration, the AMX M4 can quickly relocate to anywhere on the map, giving it an advantage over most other tanks. The player should favour straight routes and/or minimal uphills when moving, to maximise speed throughout the manoeuvre.
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The reverse speed of -20 km/h is fast enough for short range retreats and relocating, but for long range it is still best to turn the hull around.
  
 
=== Modifications and economy ===
 
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{{Specs-Tank-Weapon|1}}
 
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{{main|SA47 (90 mm)}}
  
 
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! colspan="5" | [[SA47 (90 mm)|90 mm SA47]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || Reloading rate (seconds)
 
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| rowspan="2" | 49 || rowspan="2" | -10°/+15° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 28.6 || 39.5 || 48.0 || 53.1 || 56.5 || rowspan="2" | 6.70
 
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The gun may feel a little lacklustre in terms of penetration: at the same BR, some tanks can consistently punch through more than 200 mm of armour while this tank's gun can't. This little defect is palliated by its auto-loader mechanism, providing up to 9 rounds a minute, a very good firing rate for the BR. All French medium rank IV tanks share this good reload rate, this is their prominent selling point.
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The gun has exceptionally good armour penetration for its rank, exceeding even that of the [[KwK 43 (88 mm)|8.8 cm KwK 43 L/71 gun]] used on the [[Tiger II (Family)|Tiger II]], allowing the AMX M4 to effortlessly penetrate the front of the toughest nuts around this BR, such as the Tiger II, [[T29]], and even the [[Maus]] at close range! This firepower advantage is further exaggerated by its autoloader, providing a fast reload of 6.7 seconds until the 7-shot magazine is empty, a very good rate of fire for the BR. All French medium rank IV tanks share this good reload rate, this is their most prominent selling point.
  
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The oscillating turret design also allows an high gun placement, this means you can fire over hills by exposing only the strong top portion of your tank, even more so with its good depression angles. When it comes to elevation, there is a problem: this tank can only lift its gun 15°, which make defending against planes impossible and uphill battle a bit challenging.
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The 90 mm only fires solid-shot armour-piercing rounds like most French tanks of this period. However, the fragmentation effect of these larger shells is much greater than the long 75 mm gun of the [[AMX-13]] and is sufficient for one-shot kills on most enemy vehicles with careful aiming. It is also recommended to bring a few rounds of high-explosive shells to deal with lightly armoured vehicles (e.g. [[Pbv 501]], [[M53/59]], [[M50]], etc), especially since the autoloader speeds up the ammo-switching process.
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The oscillating turret design also allows a high gun placement, which means you can fire over hills by exposing only the strong top portion of your tank, even more so with its good -10° depression angle. When it comes to elevation, there is a problem: this tank can only lift its gun 15°, which makes defending against planes impossible and an uphill battle a bit challenging. Lastly, the fast turret rotation of around 25°/s is great for the AMX M4 to deal with threats from multiple directions with ease.
  
 
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== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
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At its BR, 80 mm of sloped frontal armour is more than sufficient to endure close range fights (as long as it is facing the enemy with its frontal armour). But what this tank is really good at is, as any other French rank IV, ''sniping'': a very good gun, great depression and fire rate make it very deadly, even more so that it ''can'' take a few hits. The AMX M4 offers the best survivability of all French rank IV tanks since its BR is low and armour, thick. It is a true "medium tank" capable of all roles, given the good context.
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At its BR, 80 mm of sloped frontal armour might be sufficient to endure close range fights (as long as it is facing the correct enemy with its frontal armour). But what this tank is really good at is, as any other French rank IV, sniping: a very good gun, great depression and fire rate make it very deadly.
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Beyond its armour head-on, the oscillating turret and autoloader on top of its mobility provide a tactical edge in engagements, ensuring rapid and precise responses. This technological enhancement transforms the tank into a formidable force during flanking manoeuvres, allowing for a rapid succession of shots followed by a tactical withdrawal. While this dynamic manoeuvre adds a layer of unpredictability to its tactics, it introduces the vulnerability of exposing the tank's comparatively weaker side armour.
  
 
This tank can be used in almost all roles on the battlefield, as long as the context is on its side. Here are some roles this tank is the most efficient at:
 
This tank can be used in almost all roles on the battlefield, as long as the context is on its side. Here are some roles this tank is the most efficient at:
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'''Support:'''
 
'''Support:'''
  
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The AMX M4 is not fit for brawling due to the relatively light armour it has. However, there is still a place for it in the Frontline if its commander is ever so daring. The supporting tank follows closely behind the heavy tanks, using them as shields. When an enemy fires at the heavy tank, the support tank should momentarily get out of cover, fire into the soft part of their frontal armour, cannon barrel, and/or the enemy's tracks. The support tank then comes back behind cover, readying itself for attacking again.
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The AMX M4 will not be fit for brawling against more advanced tanks. However, there is still a place for it in the Frontline if its commander is ever so daring. The supporting tank follows closely behind the heavy tanks, using them as shields. When an enemy fires at the heavy tank, the support tank should momentarily get out of cover, fire into the soft part of their frontal armour, cannon barrel, and/or the enemy's tracks. The support tank then comes back behind cover, readying itself for attacking again.
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The AMX M4 wields this role well, as it has good manoeuvrability, good acceleration, and a quick-firing cannon. It is however, a tall tank, so be wary of seeking cover behind any low-profile heavy tank and it has a below average reverse speed.
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'''Enemies worth noting:'''
  
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* [[M109 (Family)|M109]]: this is a commonly seen self-propelled howitzer armed with a 155 mm cannon, firing HE shells. This plus its good speed means that it can easily over-pressure the AMX M4 at any distance and angle, making it a huge threat. Luckily, it has thin armour, so a shot to the hull or turret will be deadly to the M109.
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* [[Maus]]: this moving fortress can seem very formidable. Indeed, one AMX M4 alone usually isn't enough to destroy a Maus, but the player can still utilise the tank's good speed, agility, and penetration to weaken the Maus until reinforcements arrive. Firstly, do not peek out to fire if the Maus is aiming at your general direction. If it's not or it's reloading, target the tracks first, then the main gun barrel. Then if the turret or hull is at a good flat angle to you, target the flat armour. Try to maintain a rough distance of 150-400 m, as any closer makes it very easy for the Maus to angle and render the AMX M4's shots useless, and too far the penetration of the 90 mm SA47 gun will drop below the point where it can go through the Maus' frontal turret. Lastly, call an artillery strike on a disabled Maus, and mark it on the minimap for your teammates.
  
 
=== Pros and cons ===
 
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'''Pros:'''
 
'''Pros:'''
  
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* Fast and good manoeuvrability.
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* Fast 51 km/h speed and good agility (-20 km/h reverse, neutral steering)
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* Decent reverse speed.
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* Frontal armour is tough against WW2 tanks like [[T-34-85]], [[M18 Hellcat (Family)|M18]]
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* Front glacis is 80 mm and is heavily sloped for a high chance of ricochets, similar to the [[Panther D|Panther]]'s.
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* Potent 90 mm gun (same as [[ARL-44]] or [[Char 25t]]: easy learning curve)
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* Potent 90 mm gun (same as [[ARL-44]] or [[Char 25t]]: easy learning curve).
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* Overall armour is quite thin against expected opponents.
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== History ==
 
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* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=france&vehicleType=tank&vehicleClass=medium_tank&vehicle=fr_amx_m4 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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{{Youtube-gallery|3aCHooDoyCI|'''AMX M4, French, Tier-4, Medium Tank''' - ''Angry Nerd Gaming''|zUDt1Fhrjpk|'''AMX M4 - Last Man Running - Don't Be This Guy!''' - ''Napalmratte''}}
  
 
== See also ==
 
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* [[wikipedia:AMX-50|[Wikipedia] AMX-50]]
 
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{{France medium tanks}}

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Description

In the late 1940s, the French Army sought to replace its aging medium tanks with a new 50-ton medium tank that would serve as the main asset in armoured divisions. The French company AMX initially proposed an under-armoured version of the Tiger II tank with 30 mm plates, but after feedback from the army, the armour was enhanced to 80 mm in the front and 40 mm on the sides. Changes were made to reduce weight in other aspects of the tank, such as introducing a new oscillating turret and redesigning the suspension wheels. The first prototype, named M4, featured a 90 mm SA47 gun and was slightly over 50 tons. A second prototype with a 100 mm SA 47 L/50 gun led to the development of the AMX-50 tank.

It was introduced in Update 1.75 "La Résistance". It uses an improved 90 mm SA47 cannon over the ARL-44 and has a 7-round autoloader and a better armour layout while being more mobile. Marking a new generation of French tanks, the AMX M4 is the prototype of what to expect from French tank development moving forward. The AMX M4 is the sturdiest representative of French rank IV vehicles, from which it shares some common features: good mobility, an oscillating turret (fitted with an autoloader), sloped armour in front and back, high hull, high gun placement, good gun depression, 4 crew members, a coaxial MAC 31 machine gun and large tracks. What distinguishes the AMX M4 is its Panther-like hull, its efficient 90 mm SA47 gun developed from the ARL-44 and the thickest armour pattern of all French ground forces with 80 mm sloped at ~55° in the frontal area.

General info

Survivability and armour

Armourfront / side / back
Hull80 / 40 / 40
Turret85 / 60 / 40
Crew5 people
Visibility120 %

Armour type:

  • Rolled homogeneous armour (hull, turret rear)
  • Cast homogeneous armour (turret, cupola)
Armour Front (Slope angle) Sides Rear Roof
Hull 80 mm (54°) Front glacis
35 mm (61°) Lower glacis
60 mm (38°) Front cheeks 		60 mm (38°) Top - Front cheeks
40 mm (24°) Top - Centre & rear
40 mm Bottom 		40 mm (1°) Upper plate
40 mm (29°) Lower glacis 		20 mm
5 mm Radiator vents
Turret 85 mm (60°) Turret front - Upper glacis
40+85 mm (cylindrical) Turret front - Base
60 mm (56-60°) Gun mantlet
85+100 mm Barrel shroud 		60 mm (0-61°) Turret
40 mm (0-27°) Turret base 		40 mm (0-60°) Turret bustle
25 mm (16-25°) Pivot ball
20 mm Turret underside 		20 mm
Cupola 60 mm (spherical) 60 mm Outer ring
20 mm Centre

Notes:

  • Suspension wheels and tracks are 20 mm thick. Suspension wheels are interleaved and thus overlap in some areas.
  • The turret and the base overlap in some areas, leading to cumulative armour.
  • The internal armour plate separating the crew compartment and the engine bay is 5 mm thick.
  • Floor armour is 20 mm thick, with the underside of the sponsons also being 20 mm thick.

The AMX M4, a post-war French tank, is a remarkable fusion of German tank design elements, drawing inspiration from the Panther for its robust armour, the Tiger I/II for its mobility and firepower, and integrating French innovation with an oscillating turret and autoloader.

The armour profile is a notable feature, featuring an 80 mm angled front glacis and 60 mm pre-angled front cheeks, rendering it somewhat resilient in frontal engagements. Against WW2 tanks like the T-34-85 and M4A3E2, the AMX M4's frontal armour is quite resilient, being able to take shots confidently (unless the shot strikes a weakspot on the oscillating turret). It can even bounce shots from a Tiger I if angled properly! However, against its Cold War counterparts such as the M41, T29, etc, the armour will get easily penetrated. Moreover, the side and rear armour are thin, only being able to shrug off small calibre rounds when angled, underscoring the significance of strategic positioning during combat scenarios.

Mobility

Speedforward / back
AB58 / 22 km/h
RB and SB52 / 20 km/h
Number of gears5 forward
2 back
Weight52.0 t
Engine power
AB1 908 hp
RB and SB1 000 hp
Power-to-weight ratio
AB36.7 hp/t
RB and SB19.2 hp/t
Game Mode Max Speed (km/h) Weight (tons) Engine power (horsepower) Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Forward Reverse Stock Upgraded Stock Upgraded
Arcade 58 22 52 1,550 1,908 29.81 36.69
Realistic 52 20 884 1,000 17 19.23

Post-war French designs are all very good at moving around: they have good engines, wide tracks and can easily achieve ~40 km/h offroad. The AMX M4 may be the worst of them all, on par with the AMX-50 (TOA100) as they share a very similar hull; but they still have above average mobility, when compared to other medium tanks at the same BR.

With a speed of 50 km/h and nice acceleration, the AMX M4 can quickly relocate to anywhere on the map, giving it an advantage over most other tanks. The player should favour straight routes and/or minimal uphills when moving, to maximise speed throughout the manoeuvre.

The reverse speed of -20 km/h is fast enough for short range retreats and relocating, but for long range it is still best to turn the hull around.

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference
AB3 583 → 4 611 Sl icon.png
RB4 192 → 5 395 Sl icon.png
SB5 456 → 7 021 Sl icon.png
Total cost of modifications61 400 Rp icon.png
102 100 Sl icon.png
Talisman cost1 800 Ge icon.png
Crew training61 000 Sl icon.png
Experts210 000 Sl icon.png
Aces890 Ge icon.png
Research Aces570 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
120 / 180 / 210 % Sl icon.png
178 / 178 / 178 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Mobility Protection Firepower
Mods new tank traks.png
Tracks
Research:
4 100 Rp icon.png
Cost:
6 800 Sl icon.png
170 Ge icon.png
Mods new tank suspension.png
Suspension
Research:
3 500 Rp icon.png
Cost:
5 800 Sl icon.png
145 Ge icon.png
Mods new tank break.png
Brake System
Research:
3 500 Rp icon.png
Cost:
5 800 Sl icon.png
145 Ge icon.png
Mods new tank filter.png
Filters
Research:
5 100 Rp icon.png
Cost:
8 500 Sl icon.png
210 Ge icon.png
Mods new tank transmission.png
Transmission
Research:
6 600 Rp icon.png
Cost:
11 000 Sl icon.png
280 Ge icon.png
Mods new tank engine.png
Engine
Research:
6 600 Rp icon.png
Cost:
11 000 Sl icon.png
280 Ge icon.png
Mods tank tool kit.png
Improved Parts
Research:
4 100 Rp icon.png
Cost:
6 800 Sl icon.png
170 Ge icon.png
Mods extinguisher.png
Improved FPE
Research:
3 500 Rp icon.png
Cost:
5 800 Sl icon.png
145 Ge icon.png
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Crew Replenishment
Research:
5 100 Rp icon.png
Cost:
8 500 Sl icon.png
210 Ge icon.png
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Horizontal Drive
Research:
4 100 Rp icon.png
Cost:
6 800 Sl icon.png
170 Ge icon.png
Mods tank cannon.png
Adjustment of Fire
Research:
3 500 Rp icon.png
Cost:
5 800 Sl icon.png
145 Ge icon.png
Mods new tank vertical aiming.png
Elevation Mechanism
Research:
5 100 Rp icon.png
Cost:
8 500 Sl icon.png
210 Ge icon.png
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Artillery Support
Research:
6 600 Rp icon.png
Cost:
11 000 Sl icon.png
280 Ge icon.png

Armaments

Main armament

90 mm SA47 cannon
Autoloader
Automatically feeds projectiles into the breech. The speed does not depend on the skills of the loader
Ammunition49 rounds
First-order7 rounds
Reload6.7 s
Vertical guidance-10° / 15°
Main article: SA47 (90 mm)
90 mm SA47 Turret rotation speed (°/s) Reloading rate (seconds)
Mode Capacity Vertical Horizontal Stabilizer Stock Upgraded Full Expert Aced Autoloader
Arcade 49 -10°/+15° ±180° N/A 28.6 39.5 48.0 53.1 56.5 6.70
Realistic 17.9 21.0 25.5 28.2 30.0

The gun has exceptionally good armour penetration for its rank, exceeding even that of the 8.8 cm KwK 43 L/71 gun used on the Tiger II, allowing the AMX M4 to effortlessly penetrate the front of the toughest nuts around this BR, such as the Tiger II, T29, and even the Maus at close range! This firepower advantage is further exaggerated by its autoloader, providing a fast reload of 6.7 seconds until the 7-shot magazine is empty, a very good rate of fire for the BR. All French medium rank IV tanks share this good reload rate, this is their most prominent selling point.

The 90 mm only fires solid-shot armour-piercing rounds like most French tanks of this period. However, the fragmentation effect of these larger shells is much greater than the long 75 mm gun of the AMX-13 and is sufficient for one-shot kills on most enemy vehicles with careful aiming. It is also recommended to bring a few rounds of high-explosive shells to deal with lightly armoured vehicles (e.g. Pbv 501, M53/59, M50, etc), especially since the autoloader speeds up the ammo-switching process.

The oscillating turret design also allows a high gun placement, which means you can fire over hills by exposing only the strong top portion of your tank, even more so with its good -10° depression angle. When it comes to elevation, there is a problem: this tank can only lift its gun 15°, which makes defending against planes impossible and an uphill battle a bit challenging. Lastly, the fast turret rotation of around 25°/s is great for the AMX M4 to deal with threats from multiple directions with ease.

Ammunition

Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
PCO-50 APCBC 259 256 243 228 213 200
Obus explosif HE 17 17 15 14 13 13
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Velocity
(m/s) 		Projectile
mass (kg) 		Fuse delay
(m) 		Fuse sensitivity
(mm) 		Explosive mass
(TNT equivalent) (g) 		Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
PCO-50 APCBC 1,030 11.2 - - - 48° 63° 71°
Obus explosif HE 700 11.3 0.2 0.1 945 79° 80° 81°

Ammo racks

Ammo racks of the AMX M4
Full
ammo 		1st
rack empty 		2nd
rack empty 		3rd
rack empty 		4th
rack empty 		5th
rack empty 		6th
rack empty 		7th
rack empty 		8th
rack empty 		9th
rack empty 		Visual
discrepancy
49 45 (+4) 43 (+6) 36 (+13) 29 (+20) 22 (+27) 15 (+34) 11 (+38) 8 (+41) 1 (+48) No

Notes:

  • Shells are modeled individually and disappear after having been shot or loaded.
  • Rack 9 (autoloader magazine) is a first stage ammo rack. It totals 7 shells.
    • This racks gets filled first when loading up the tank and is also emptied first.
    • As the AMX M4 is equipped with an autoloader, manual reloading of the gun is not possible.
    • Once the autoloader magazine has been depleted, you can't shoot until the loader has restocked the autoloader. The restocking time is longer than the normal reload time of the gun (about 15 seconds). Take this into account when playing.
    • Simply not firing when the gun is loaded will move ammo from racks 1 to 5 into rack 7* then 6*. Firing will interrupt the restocking of the ready racks.
    • The depletion order at full capacity is: 9 - 1 - 2 up to 8.

Machine guns

7.5 mm MAC 31 machine gun (coaxial)
Ammunition5 100 rounds
Belt capacity150 rounds
Reload5.0 s
Fire rate551 shots/min
Main article: MAC 31 (7.5 mm)
7.5 mm MAC 31
Mount Capacity (Belt) Fire rate Vertical Horizontal
Coaxial 5,100 (150) 551 - -

The small calibre of the MAC 31 machine gun makes it largely ineffective against all armoured vehicles but the ones with an open compartment. It still can be used to ping targets as a rangefinding help or to mow down minor obstacles blocking your line of sight.

Usage in battles

At its BR, 80 mm of sloped frontal armour might be sufficient to endure close range fights (as long as it is facing the correct enemy with its frontal armour). But what this tank is really good at is, as any other French rank IV, sniping: a very good gun, great depression and fire rate make it very deadly.

Beyond its armour head-on, the oscillating turret and autoloader on top of its mobility provide a tactical edge in engagements, ensuring rapid and precise responses. This technological enhancement transforms the tank into a formidable force during flanking manoeuvres, allowing for a rapid succession of shots followed by a tactical withdrawal. While this dynamic manoeuvre adds a layer of unpredictability to its tactics, it introduces the vulnerability of exposing the tank's comparatively weaker side armour.

This tank can be used in almost all roles on the battlefield, as long as the context is on its side. Here are some roles this tank is the most efficient at:

Sniper:

This is clearly this tank's intended role: at all BR placements, it provides the best results for this tank. There is only a few things that can defeat such tactic: drastically better firepower and thick frontal armour faced towards it. This gun's performance is not the best at its rank, in that way, the AMX M4 may have to rely on surprise attacks to its foes' sides in order to disable them. Use this tank's great mobility to get into a good spot and reposition whenever it is needed do not allow approaching targets as they increase their chances to take you out. Plan you escape in advance: your reverse speed won't allow for hasty retreats.

Frontline fights:

When facing lower BR tanks, the AMX can easily be used in the same role as Panther tanks: breakthrough... but with reserve, your side armour won't allow even the slightest side shot. Use your good reload speed and turret rate to their best: fast reaction times and multi-target engagements are possible.

Flanking:

Use your speed and firepower to outpace the enemy advance. All considerations from the sniper role can be taken into consideration when flanking, the only difference being a more consistent usage of this tank's mobility.

Support:

The AMX M4 will not be fit for brawling against more advanced tanks. However, there is still a place for it in the Frontline if its commander is ever so daring. The supporting tank follows closely behind the heavy tanks, using them as shields. When an enemy fires at the heavy tank, the support tank should momentarily get out of cover, fire into the soft part of their frontal armour, cannon barrel, and/or the enemy's tracks. The support tank then comes back behind cover, readying itself for attacking again.

The AMX M4 wields this role well, as it has good manoeuvrability, good acceleration, and a quick-firing cannon. It is however, a tall tank, so be wary of seeking cover behind any low-profile heavy tank and it has a below average reverse speed.

Enemies worth noting:

  • M109: this is a commonly seen self-propelled howitzer armed with a 155 mm cannon, firing HE shells. This plus its good speed means that it can easily over-pressure the AMX M4 at any distance and angle, making it a huge threat. Luckily, it has thin armour, so a shot to the hull or turret will be deadly to the M109.
  • Maus: this moving fortress can seem very formidable. Indeed, one AMX M4 alone usually isn't enough to destroy a Maus, but the player can still utilise the tank's good speed, agility, and penetration to weaken the Maus until reinforcements arrive. Firstly, do not peek out to fire if the Maus is aiming at your general direction. If it's not or it's reloading, target the tracks first, then the main gun barrel. Then if the turret or hull is at a good flat angle to you, target the flat armour. Try to maintain a rough distance of 150-400 m, as any closer makes it very easy for the Maus to angle and render the AMX M4's shots useless, and too far the penetration of the 90 mm SA47 gun will drop below the point where it can go through the Maus' frontal turret. Lastly, call an artillery strike on a disabled Maus, and mark it on the minimap for your teammates.

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Fast 51 km/h speed and good agility (-20 km/h reverse, neutral steering)
  • Frontal armour is tough against WW2 tanks like T-34-85, M18
  • Potent 90 mm gun (same as ARL-44 or Char 25t: easy learning curve)
  • Good gun depression and turret rotation
  • Fast reload between 7 shots due to autoloader

Cons:

  • Overall thin armour and low survivability against Cold War opponents
  • Bad gun elevation angles
  • Long reload time after 7 autoloader shots
  • Ammo always held in reload mechanism makes it easy ammo rack targets
  • Large hull, hard to hide

History

Design

In the late 1940s, the French Army was looking to replace the medium tanks Panther and ARL 44 that were becoming obsolete with a new 50t medium tank. The new tank was to be the future spearhead of French armoured divisions. The French company AMX started working on a proposal which was essentially an improved Tiger II on the drawing board. The project evolved and later resulted in the AMX-50 tank. The AMX M4 present in the game is the first prototype of the project.

Development

In order to save weight from the Tiger II's initial weight of 70 tons, the first AMX proposal was an underarmoured version of the Tiger II with only 30 mm armour plates. The French Army quickly indicated that such a thickness was too weak for the intended purpose. The armour of the hull was increased to 80 mm frontally and 40 mm for the sides and the weight-saving measures were then applied to other components. The original turret was changed for an oscillating turret whose design was already available and the suspension wheels were redesigned to get rid of the interleaving wheels. The new version was approved and a first prototype was produced at the end of 1949. It sported the already available 90 mm SA 45 gun from the ARL 44, whose performance was equal to the 88 mm KwK43 equipping the Tiger II. The first prototype was dubbed M4 and had a weight slightly above 50 tons. The second prototype was produced 1 year later with the 100 mm SA 47 L/50 gun and a slightly modified turret, and resulted in the AMX-50 tank.

Combat usage

The AMX M4 was the first prototype of what would be the AMX-50 and never saw either service or combat action with the French Army.

Media

Skins
Videos
AMX M4, French, Tier-4, Medium Tank - Angry Nerd Gaming
AMX M4 - Last Man Running - Don't Be This Guy! - Napalmratte

See also

Related development
Other vehicles of similar configuration and role

External links


Ateliers de construction d'Issy-les-Moulineaux (AMX)
Light tanks 
AMX-13  AMX-13-M24 · AMX-13 (FL11) · AMX-13 · AMX-13 (SS.11) · AMX-13-90 · AMX-13 (HOT)
Armoured cars  AMX-10RC
Medium tanks  AMX M4 · AMX-50 (TOA100)
MBTs 
AMX-30  AMX-30 · AMX-30 ACRA · AMX-30 (1972) · AMX-30B2 · AMX-30B2 BRENUS · AMX-30 Super
AMX-32/40  AMX-32 (105) · AMX-32 · AMX-40
Heavy tanks  AMX-50 Surbaissé · AMX-50 Surblindé
Tank destroyers  ELC bis · AMX-50 Foch
SPAAGs  AMX-13 DCA 40 · AMX-30 S DCA
Export  AMX-13

France medium tanks
M4 Derivatives  M4A1 (FL10) · M4A4 (SA50)
AMX-50  AMX M4 · AMX-50 (TOA100) · AMX-50 (TO90/930)
AMX-30  AMX-30 · AMX-30 (1972) · AMX-30B2 · AMX-30B2 BRENUS · AMX-30 ACRA · AMX-30 Super
AMX-32/40  AMX-32 · AMX-32 (105) · AMX-40
Leclerc  Leclerc · Leclerc S2 · Leclerc SXXI · Leclerc AZUR
Other  D2 · S.35 · Lorraine 40t
Germany  Panther "Dauphiné"
USA  ▄M4A1 · ▄M4A3 (105) · ▄M4A4 · ▄M26

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