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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Russian tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.83 "Masters of the Sea"]].
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Soviet tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.83 "Masters of the Sea"]].
  
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This tank destroyer uses a 57 mm ZIS-4 for its main gun. It features a low profile, good top speed (40 km/h in RB) and great penetration for its rank, but weak armour on all angles. It is the first tank destroyer available at rank III for the Soviets available.
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This tank destroyer uses a 57 mm ZIS-4 for its main gun. It features a low profile, good top speed (40 km/h in RB) and great penetration for its rank, but weak armour at all angles. It is the first tank destroyer available at rank III for the Soviets.
  
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The overall design of the SU-57B allows for sneaky attacks, revolving around the 57 mm ZiS-4 gun that allows for engagement from medium range on unsuspecting enemies. Because of its low profile, this TD can use bushes and terrain to hide its approach. However, the trade-off is lackluster mobility, so it compares with the ZiS-30 that provides better mobility and speed and can reposition much faster. Despite all these limitations, when played right the SU-57B can score good scores, but only when properly positioned and not detected.
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The overall design of the SU-57B allows for sneaky attacks, revolving around the 57 mm ZiS-4 gun that allows for engagement from medium range on unsuspecting enemies. Because of its low profile, this TD can use bushes and terrain to hide its approach. However, the trade-off is lacklustre mobility, so it compares with the ZiS-30 that provides better mobility and speed and can reposition much faster. Despite all these limitations, when played right the SU-57B can score good scores, but only when properly positioned and not detected.
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
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The SU-57B has the best armour on the front (25 mm), weaker armour on the sides (16 mm) and weak on the rear (16 mm). Regarding the crew protection, because of the number of crew members (4), the loss of 1 or 2 crew members is acceptable. But due to the thin armour (25 mm front, 16 mm sides and rear), the SU-57B can take one or two shots maximum before being put out of order. It is much better protected than the ZiS-30 and can sustain MG fire.
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The SU-57B has the best armour on the front (25mm), weaker armour on the sides (16mm) and weak on the rear (16mm). Regarding the crew protection, because of the number of crew members (4), the loss of 1 or 2 crew members is acceptable. But due to the thin armour (25mm front, 16mm sides and rear), the SU-57B can take one or two shots maximum before being put out of order. It is much better protected than the ZiS-30 and can sustain MG fire.
 
  
 
'''Armour type:'''
 
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* Suspension wheels are 10 mm thick while tracks are 15 mm thick.
 
* Suspension wheels are 10 mm thick while tracks are 15 mm thick.
  
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SU-57B Armour Analysis.jpg|Su-57B Armour Analysis
 
SU-57B Armour Analysis.jpg|Su-57B Armour Analysis
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Su-57B% 20Armour% 20Front.jpg|Su-57B Armour Front
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Su-57B% 20Armour% 20Side.jpg|Su-57B Armour Side
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Su-57B% 20Armour% 20Rear.jpg|Su-57B Armour Rear
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Su-57B% 20Armour% 20Top.jpg|Su-57B Armour Top
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Su-57B% 20Crew% 20Analysis.jpg|Su-57B Crew Analysis
 
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=== Mobility ===
 
=== Mobility ===
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The SU-57B is sluggish at backwards speed and will have a hard time countering an opponent attempting to flank the SU-57B. The best bet is to flee when spotted. Fortunately, thanks to its great forward speed (43 km/h maximum), the SU-57B can still move quite easily.
 
The SU-57B is sluggish at backwards speed and will have a hard time countering an opponent attempting to flank the SU-57B. The best bet is to flee when spotted. Fortunately, thanks to its great forward speed (43 km/h maximum), the SU-57B can still move quite easily.
  
 
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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! rowspan="2" | Game Mode
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! colspan="3" | Mobility characteristics
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! colspan="2" | Engine power (horsepower)
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! colspan="2" | Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
 
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! Max Speed
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! {{Annotation|Weight|Vehicle Weight (Tons)}}
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! {{Annotation|AoA Weight|Add-on Armour Weight (Tons)}}
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! Stock
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! Upgraded
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! Stock
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! Upgraded
 
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! Weight (tons)
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! Arcade
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! colspan="1" | Add-on Armour<br>weight (tons)
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| 43 || rowspan="2" | 9.5 || rowspan="2" | N/A || 148 || ___ || 15.58 || __.__
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! colspan="1" | Max speed (km/h)
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! {{Annotation|Realistic|Simulator uses Realistic FMs}}
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| 40 || 92 || 104 || 9.68 || 10.95
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|}
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== Armaments ==
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=== Main armament ===
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{{main|ZIS-4 (57 mm)}}
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The main gun is ridiculously powerful for its hull. It features a ZIS-4 57 mm that has a penetration rate similar to the ZiS-30 main gun. The position of the main gun is quite low and enemies will have a hard time detecting the silhouette of the tank. However, because of its long barrel, one must be careful not to stand out from cover or from the sides.
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The recoil of the gun can be important and must be taken care of, as well as the dispersion effect. The relatively fast reloading rate of 6.5 seconds allows for a comfortable targeting and efficiency. Though, with the SU-57B able to hold a total of 72 rounds of ammunition, the SU-57B can shoot more freely without worry. However, keep in mind the 6.5 seconds initial reload time can be quite long when facing an opponent at close range.
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
 
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| rowspan="2" | 9.5 || colspan="1" rowspan="2" | N/A || colspan="1" | 43 (AB)  
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! colspan="5" | [[ZIS-4 (57 mm)|57 mm ZIS-4]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
 
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|40 (RB/SB)
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! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
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! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
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! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
 
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| rowspan="2" | 72 || rowspan="2" | -5°/+14° || rowspan="2" | ±18° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 6.2 || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._ || rowspan="2" | 6.5 || rowspan="2" | __.__ || rowspan="2" | __.__ || rowspan="2" | 5.0
 
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|148
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==== Ammunition ====
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! colspan="6" | '''Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)'''
 
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! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
 
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| BR-271 || APHEBC || 145 || 143 || 132 || 119 || 108 || 98
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| BR-271К || APHE || 145 || 143 || 132 || 119 || 108 || 98
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| O-271 || HE || 5 || 5 || 5 || 5 || 5 || 5
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== Armaments ==
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=== Main armament ===
 
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{{main|ZiS-4 (57 mm)}}
 
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The main gun is ridiculously powerful for its hull. It features a ZIS-4 57mm that has a penetration rate similar to the ZiS-30 main gun. The position of the main gun is quite low and enemies will have a hard time detecting the silhouette of the tank. However, because of its long barrel, one must be careful not to stand out from cover or from the sides.
 
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The recoil of the gun can be important and must be taken care of, as well as the dispersion effect. The relatively fast reloading rate of 6.5 seconds allows for a comfortable targeting and efficiency. Though, with the SU-57B able to hold a total of 72 rounds of ammunition, the SU-57B can shoot more freely without worry. However, keep in mind the 6.5 seconds initial reload time can be quite long when facing an opponent at close range.
 
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
 
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! rowspan="2" | Type of<br>warhead
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! rowspan="2" | Velocity<br>(m/s)
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! rowspan="2" | Projectile<br>Mass (kg)
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! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay<br>(m)
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! rowspan="2" | Fuse sensitivity<br>(mm)
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! rowspan="2" | Explosive Mass<br>(TNT equivalent) (g)
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! rowspan="2" | Normalisation at 30°<br>from horizontal
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! colspan="3" | Ricochet
 
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! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
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! rowspan="1" | Vertical <br> guidance
 
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| BR-271 || APHEBC || 990 || 3.14 || 1.2 || 9.0 || 21.56 || +4.0° || 48° || 63° || 71°
 
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| BR-271К || APHE || 990 || 3.14 || 1.2 || 9.0 || 27.72 || -1.0° || 47° || 60° || 65°
 
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| O-271 || HE || 700 || 3.72 || 0.4 || 0.01 || 220 || +0.0° || 79° || 80° || 81°
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| ''Realistic'' || 4.2 || 4.95 || __.__ || __.__ || __.__
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==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
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! 5th<br>rack empty
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! 6th<br>rack empty
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| '''72''' || 61&nbsp;''(+11)'' || 49&nbsp;''(+23)'' || 37&nbsp;''(+35)'' || 25&nbsp;''(+47)'' || 13&nbsp;''(+59)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+71)'' || No
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! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Expert qualif.
 
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| 6.50 || || ||  
 
 
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==== [[Optics]] ====
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |Full<br /> ammo
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |1st<br />  rack empty
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! Default magnification
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |2nd<br />  rack empty
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |3rd<br />  rack empty
 
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |4th<br />  rack empty
 
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |5th<br />  rack empty
 
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |6th<br />  rack empty
 
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |Visual<br /> discrepancy
 
 
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|| '''72''' || 61&nbsp;''(+11)'' || 49&nbsp;''(+23)'' || 37&nbsp;''(+35)'' || 25&nbsp;''(+47)'' || 13&nbsp;''(+59)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+71)'' || style="text-align:left" | No
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! Main Gun optics
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| X3.8 || X4.0
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| colspan="2" | ___
 
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== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
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The SU-57B is purely a tank hunter. With its 57 mm ZIS-4 gun, and at a BR of 3.3, it can easily pierce almost any opponent in the game. Because of its weak armour, it is not capable of engaging too close and had to stay at a medium to long range.
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The SU-57B is purely a tank hunter. With its 57mm ZIS-4 gun, and at a BR of 3.3, it can easily pierce almost any opponent in the game. Because of its weak armour, it is not capable of engaging too close and had to stay at a medium to long range.
 
  
 
Its APHEBC initial ammunition is effective at piercing enemy armour, but the next ammo modification is even better with the APHE round (BR-271K).
 
Its APHEBC initial ammunition is effective at piercing enemy armour, but the next ammo modification is even better with the APHE round (BR-271K).
  
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It also features a HE round that can be unlocked later, but it is preferable to stick with BR-271 or BR-217K rounds as they offer up to 142 mm of penetration which is excellent for its use and BR.
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It also features a HE round that can be unlocked later, but it is preferable to stick with BR-271 or BR-271K rounds as they offer up to 142 mm of penetration which is excellent for its use and BR.
  
 
While in a tank hunter role, the SU-57B should take up a fighting style akin to a sniper, taking advantage of its very low profile (still not as good as the ASU-57, but almost). It excels at shooting from high vantage points or from the sides, but must be repositioned after each shot to avoid return fire.
 
While in a tank hunter role, the SU-57B should take up a fighting style akin to a sniper, taking advantage of its very low profile (still not as good as the ASU-57, but almost). It excels at shooting from high vantage points or from the sides, but must be repositioned after each shot to avoid return fire.
  
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With only 25 mm frontal armour at best and 16mm on the side and virtually none on the rear, a single shot would be fatal and leave the crew disabled at best. It is even susceptible to heavy MG fire from the sides and rear.
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With only 25 mm frontal armour at best and 16 mm on the side and virtually none on the rear, a single shot would be fatal and leave the crew disabled at best. It is even susceptible to heavy MG fire from the sides and rear.
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=== Modules ===
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| Horizontal Drive
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| II
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| Suspension
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| Brake System
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| FPE
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| Adjustment of Fire
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| BR-271K
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| III
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| Filters
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| Crew Replenishment
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| Elevation Mechanism
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| IV
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| Transmission
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| Engine
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=== Pros and cons ===
 
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'''Pros:'''
 
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* Great forward speed
 
* Great forward speed
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* Great 57mm ZIS-4 main gun
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* Great 57 mm ZIS-4 main gun
 
* Very low profile ideal for sneak attacks and sniper attacks, similar to ASU-57
 
* Very low profile ideal for sneak attacks and sniper attacks, similar to ASU-57
 
* Good reload time (6.5 seconds)
 
* Good reload time (6.5 seconds)
  
 
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* Sluggish acceleration
 
* Sluggish acceleration
 
* Very weak rear speed
 
* Very weak rear speed
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== History ==
 
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In 1943 the MVTU USSR design bureau proposed an 11 ton tank hunter prototype with two main gun variants:
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In 1943 the MVTU USSR design bureau proposed an 11 ton tank hunter prototype with two main gun variants:  
 
  
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# The 75mm S-1 main gun
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# The 75 mm S-1 main gun
 
# The 57 mm S-1-57 main gun
 
# The 57 mm S-1-57 main gun
  
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At the same moment, the GAZ design bureau was working on 2 designs. One named "GAZ-74b" which is the SU-57B with a long barrel, and an improved version with a 76 mm gun.The Su-57a was to be the tank hunter with the 76mm main gun. The Su-57B was not accepted for service because it was too costly pro produce and because of its newer diesel engine.
 
At the same moment, the GAZ design bureau was working on 2 designs. One named "GAZ-74b" which is the SU-57B with a long barrel, and an improved version with a 76 mm gun.The Su-57a was to be the tank hunter with the 76mm main gun. The Su-57B was not accepted for service because it was too costly pro produce and because of its newer diesel engine.
  
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Later the GAZ-74d (SU-76d) would come out with a 76mm S-1 main gun and a frontal armor of 60mm. It will also be known later as "SU-80".
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Later the GAZ-74d (SU-76d) would come out with a 76 mm S-1 main gun and a frontal armour of 60 mm. It will also be known later as "SU-80".
  
 
== Media ==
 
== Media ==
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[[File:SU-57B Intro.jpg|alt=SU-57B|none|thumb|SU-57B driving around Stalingrad]]
 
[[File:SU-57B Intro.jpg|alt=SU-57B|none|thumb|SU-57B driving around Stalingrad]]
  
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{{Youtube-gallery|OMYBfO-32LM|Napalmratte: ''SU-57B - A Bad Tank w/ a Great Gun''}}
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{{Youtube-gallery|OMYBfO-32LM|'''SU-57B - A Bad Tank w/ a Great Gun''' - ''Napalmratte''}}
  
 
== See also ==
 
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SU-57B
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SU-57B
USSR flag.png USSR
II Rank
Battle rating:
AB RB SB
2.7 2.7 2.7
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Description

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The SU-57B is a rank II Soviet tank destroyer with a battle rating of 2.7 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update 1.83 "Masters of the Sea".

This tank destroyer uses a 57 mm ZIS-4 for its main gun. It features a low profile, good top speed (40 km/h in RB) and great penetration for its rank, but weak armour at all angles. It is the first tank destroyer available at rank III for the Soviets.

The overall design of the SU-57B allows for sneaky attacks, revolving around the 57 mm ZiS-4 gun that allows for engagement from medium range on unsuspecting enemies. Because of its low profile, this TD can use bushes and terrain to hide its approach. However, the trade-off is lacklustre mobility, so it compares with the ZiS-30 that provides better mobility and speed and can reposition much faster. Despite all these limitations, when played right the SU-57B can score good scores, but only when properly positioned and not detected.

General info

Survivability and armour

The SU-57B has the best armour on the front (25 mm), weaker armour on the sides (16 mm) and weak on the rear (16 mm). Regarding the crew protection, because of the number of crew members (4), the loss of 1 or 2 crew members is acceptable. But due to the thin armour (25 mm front, 16 mm sides and rear), the SU-57B can take one or two shots maximum before being put out of order. It is much better protected than the ZiS-30 and can sustain MG fire.

Armour type:

  • Rolled homogeneous armour
Armour Front (Slope angle) Sides Rear Roof
Hull 25 mm (38°) Front glacis
25 mm (24°) Lower glacis
25 mm (0-90°) Gun mantlet
25 mm (37°) Cheeks 		16 mm (0-32°) 16 mm (40°) Top
10 mm (45°) Bottom 		10 mm (72-85°)
5 mm (72°) Grille
  • Belly armour is 6 mm thick.
  • Suspension wheels are 10 mm thick while tracks are 15 mm thick.

  • Su-57B Armour Analysis

  • Su-57B Armour Front

  • Su-57B Armour Side

  • Su-57B Armour Rear

  • Su-57B Armour Top

  • Su-57B Crew Analysis

Mobility

The SU-57B is sluggish at backwards speed and will have a hard time countering an opponent attempting to flank the SU-57B. The best bet is to flee when spotted. Fortunately, thanks to its great forward speed (43 km/h maximum), the SU-57B can still move quite easily.

Game Mode Mobility characteristics Engine power (horsepower) Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Max Speed Weight AoA Weight Stock Upgraded Stock Upgraded
Arcade 43 9.5 N/A 148 ___ 15.58 __.__
Realistic 40 92 104 9.68 10.95

Armaments

Main armament

Main article: ZIS-4 (57 mm)

The main gun is ridiculously powerful for its hull. It features a ZIS-4 57 mm that has a penetration rate similar to the ZiS-30 main gun. The position of the main gun is quite low and enemies will have a hard time detecting the silhouette of the tank. However, because of its long barrel, one must be careful not to stand out from cover or from the sides.

The recoil of the gun can be important and must be taken care of, as well as the dispersion effect. The relatively fast reloading rate of 6.5 seconds allows for a comfortable targeting and efficiency. Though, with the SU-57B able to hold a total of 72 rounds of ammunition, the SU-57B can shoot more freely without worry. However, keep in mind the 6.5 seconds initial reload time can be quite long when facing an opponent at close range.

57 mm ZIS-4 Turret rotation speed (°/s) Reloading rate (seconds)
Mode Capacity Vertical Horizontal Stabilizer Stock Upgraded Full Expert Aced Stock Full Expert Aced
Arcade 72 -5°/+14° ±18° N/A 6.2 __._ __._ __._ __._ 6.5 __.__ __.__ 5.0
Realistic 4.2 __._ __._ __._ 7.0

Ammunition

Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
BR-271 APHEBC 145 143 132 119 108 98
BR-271К APHE 145 143 132 119 108 98
O-271 HE 5 5 5 5 5 5
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Velocity
(m/s) 		Projectile
Mass (kg) 		Fuse delay
(m) 		Fuse sensitivity
(mm) 		Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g) 		Normalisation at 30°
from horizontal 		Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
BR-271 APHEBC 990 3.14 1.2 9.0 21.56 +4.0° 48° 63° 71°
BR-271К APHE 990 3.14 1.2 9.0 27.72 -1.0° 47° 60° 65°
O-271 HE 700 3.72 0.4 0.01 220 +0.0° 79° 80° 81°

Ammo racks

Ammo racks of the SU-57B
Full
ammo 		1st
rack empty 		2nd
rack empty 		3rd
rack empty 		4th
rack empty 		5th
rack empty 		6th
rack empty 		Visual
discrepancy
72 61 (+11) 49 (+23) 37 (+35) 25 (+47) 13 (+59) 1 (+71) No

Optics

SU-57B Optics
Default magnification Maximum magnification
Main Gun optics X3.8 X4.0
Comparable optics ___

Usage in battles

The SU-57B is purely a tank hunter. With its 57 mm ZIS-4 gun, and at a BR of 3.3, it can easily pierce almost any opponent in the game. Because of its weak armour, it is not capable of engaging too close and had to stay at a medium to long range.

Its APHEBC initial ammunition is effective at piercing enemy armour, but the next ammo modification is even better with the APHE round (BR-271K).

It also features a HE round that can be unlocked later, but it is preferable to stick with BR-271 or BR-271K rounds as they offer up to 142 mm of penetration which is excellent for its use and BR.

While in a tank hunter role, the SU-57B should take up a fighting style akin to a sniper, taking advantage of its very low profile (still not as good as the ASU-57, but almost). It excels at shooting from high vantage points or from the sides, but must be repositioned after each shot to avoid return fire.

With only 25 mm frontal armour at best and 16 mm on the side and virtually none on the rear, a single shot would be fatal and leave the crew disabled at best. It is even susceptible to heavy MG fire from the sides and rear.

Modules

Tier Mobility Protection Firepower
I Tracks Parts Horizontal Drive
II Suspension Brake System FPE Adjustment of Fire BR-271K
III Filters Crew Replenishment Elevation Mechanism
IV Transmission Engine

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Great forward speed
  • Great 57 mm ZIS-4 main gun
  • Very low profile ideal for sneak attacks and sniper attacks, similar to ASU-57
  • Good reload time (6.5 seconds)

Cons:

  • Sluggish acceleration
  • Very weak rear speed
  • Poor side mobility, don't expect to be able to turn around quickly
  • Weak armour (25/16/16) and susceptible to rear and side shots or even Heavy MG

History

In 1943 the MVTU USSR design bureau proposed an 11 ton tank hunter prototype with two main gun variants:

  1. The 75 mm S-1 main gun
  2. The 57 mm S-1-57 main gun

Both would be propelled with a diesel GMC-71 engine.

At the same moment, the GAZ design bureau was working on 2 designs. One named "GAZ-74b" which is the SU-57B with a long barrel, and an improved version with a 76 mm gun.The Su-57a was to be the tank hunter with the 76mm main gun. The Su-57B was not accepted for service because it was too costly pro produce and because of its newer diesel engine.

Later the GAZ-74d (SU-76d) would come out with a 76 mm S-1 main gun and a frontal armour of 60 mm. It will also be known later as "SU-80".

Media

SU-57B
SU-57B driving around Stalingrad
SU-57B - A Bad Tank w/ a Great Gun - Napalmratte

See also

Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:

  • reference to the series of the vehicles;
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External links


USSR tank destroyers
SU-76M  SU-76M · SU-76M (5th Gv.Kav.Corps) · SU-85A
SU-57B  SU-57B · SU-76D
T-34 Derivatives  SU-122 · SU-85 · SU-85M · SU-100 · SU-122P
Heavy Tank Derivatives  SU-100Y · ISU-122 · ISU-122S · SU-152 · ISU-152 · Object 268
SU-100P and Derivatives  SU-100P · Object 120
Wheeled  YaG-10 (29-K)
Airborne  ASU-57 · ASU-85
Rocket  BM-8-24 · BM-13N · BM-31-12
ATGM  IT-1 · Shturm-S · Object 775 · Khrizantema-S
Artillery  2S1 · 2S3M
Other  SU-5-1 · ZiS-30 · SU-122-54
USA  SU-57

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