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Type 41 is a typical weapon for a cruiser, featuring a good mix of caliber, fire rate and the overall physical dimensions of the gun. It makes it suitable for engaging targets at a long range and directly countering destroyers. The key highlight are its SAP shells.
 
Type 41 is a typical weapon for a cruiser, featuring a good mix of caliber, fire rate and the overall physical dimensions of the gun. It makes it suitable for engaging targets at a long range and directly countering destroyers. The key highlight are its SAP shells.
  

Revision as of 17:48, 29 August 2022

Description

The 15 cm/50 Type 41 is a Japanese high caliber gun found as a primary weapon in a twin-turrets on Agano and a secondary single-mount casemate gun on Kongo-class battleships. Historically it was a family of weapons originally designed by British Vickers in 1910, then redesigned for production in Japan in 1912. Aside from the aforementioned ships, the guns were also used on the Fusō-class battleships and as a coastal defenses on Guam.

Vehicles equipped with this weapon

General info

Type 41 is a typical weapon for a cruiser, featuring a good mix of caliber, fire rate and the overall physical dimensions of the gun. It makes it suitable for engaging targets at a long range and directly countering destroyers. The key highlight are its SAP shells.

Available ammunition

Both HE and SAP shells are sufficient to defeat armor on any destroyer or a coastal unit, while SAP shells will struggle only with some of the reinforced points on the Heavy Cruisers or larger warships. The key advantage of SAP shells is its explosion after 8.5 meters, making it suitable for dealing with enemy destroyers without switching shells to HE. Given that SAP shells have nearly the same explosive filler as HE - using HE is extremely situational and SAP are superior in nearly all circumstances.

HE-TF shells are available only on the twin-gun turrets of IJN Agano, as these turrets have a significantly increased vertical guidance and targetting speed, making it possible to engage aerial targets.

Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
1,000 m 2,500 m 5,000 m 7,500 m 10,000 m 15,000 m
Type 0 HE HE 35 35 35 35 35 35
Type 4 SAP SAP 81 68 52 40 34 34
Type 0 HE-TF HE-TF 35 35 35 35 35 35
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
Mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(s)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive Mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
Type 0 HE HE 850 45.26 0 0.1 3,170 79° 80° 81°
Type 4 SAP SAP 850 45.26 0.01 7 2,920 47° 60° 65°
Type 0 HE-TF HE-TF 850 45.26 0 0.1 3,170 79° 80° 81°

Comparison with analogues

The gun is featured in two configurations: Single and dual-mount, with single-mount having much higher fire-rate, increasing from 6.2/minute to 10/minute, a 60% increase.

The biggest pain point are its dated shells. HE have one of the lowest amount of explosive fillers. SAP has the lowest penetration among the shells of the type, its explosive filler is relatively large, but in both statistics its worse than the Soviet 152 mm/57 B-38 (152 mm).

And while the single-mount weapon trades these disadvantages for a high rate of fire, the same cannot be said for the dual-mount. Still, it does have some key advantages: high elevation angles, the best-in-the-class horizontal guidance speed and an added HE-FT shell (even if it's with one of the smallest explosive fillers).

It's also worth mentioning that the muzzle velocity is relatively low comparing to its peers, however it's perfectly adequate, and both: lower and higher caliber guns commonly feature lower muzzle velocities.

HE

Cannon Sample Ship Ammo Calibre
(mm)
Muzzle Velocity
(m/s)
Sustained rate of fire
(rounds/min)
Targeting speed
(°/s)
TNT Equivalent
(kg)
Penetration
@ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
Horizontal Vertical 1,000 m 5,000 m 10,000 m
Japan flag.png 15 cm/50 Type 41 (152 mm) IJN Agano HE 152 850 6.2 10 6 3.17 35 35 35
Japan flag.png 15 cm/50 Type 41 (152 mm) IJN Kongo HE 152 850 10 4.2 4.2 3.17 35 35 35
Japan flag.png 6-inch/45 Type 41 (152 mm) IJN Settsu HE 152 825 5 4.2 4.2 5.28 43 43 43
USA flag.png 6 inch/53 Mk.12 (152 mm) USS Raleigh HE 152 914 6 6.8 6 5.88 49 49 49
Britain flag.png 6 inch/50 BL Mark XXIII (152 mm) HMNZS Leander HE 152 841 8 6.0 8.5 3.96 37 37 37
Italy flag.png 152/53 mm O.T.O. Mod.1929 (152 mm) RN Raimondo Montecuccoli HE 152 935 8 5.1 4.2 2.39 29 29 29
USSR flag.png 152 mm/57 B-38 (152 mm) Sverdlov HE 152 950 7.5 6.1 11 6 50 50 50

SAP

Cannon Sample Ship Ammo Calibre
(mm)
Muzzle Velocity
(m/s)
Sustained rate of fire
(rounds/min)
Targeting speed
(°/s)
TNT Equivalent
(kg)
Penetration
@ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
Horizontal Vertical 1,000 m 5,000 m 10,000 m
Japan flag.png 15 cm/50 Type 41 (152 mm) IJN Agano SAP 152 850 6.2 10 6 2.92 81 52 34
Japan flag.png 15 cm/50 Type 41 (152 mm) IJN Kongo SAP 152 850 10 4.2 4.2 2.92 81 52 34
USA flag.png 6 inch/53 Mk.12 (152 mm) USS Raleigh SAP 152 914 6 6.8 6 0.997 210 138 85
Britain flag.png 6 inch/50 BL Mark XXIII (152 mm) HMNZS Leander SAPBC 152 841 8 6.0 8.5 1.7 197 137 90
USSR flag.png 152 mm/57 B-38 (152 mm) Sverdlov SAP 152 950 7.5 6.1 11 5.9 172 117 74

HE-FT

Cannon Sample Ship Ammo Calibre
(mm)
Muzzle Velocity
(m/s)
Sustained rate of fire
(rounds/min)
Targeting speed
(°/s)
TNT Equivalent
(kg)
Penetration
@ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
Horizontal Vertical 1,000 m 5,000 m 10,000 m
Japan flag.png 15 cm/50 Type 41 (152 mm) IJN Agano HE-TF 152 850 6.2 10 6 3.17 35 35 35
Britain flag.png 6 inch/50 BL Mark XXIII (152 mm) HMNZS Leander HE-TF 152 841 8 6.0 8.5 3.96 37 37 37
Italy flag.png 152/53 mm O.T.O. Mod.1929 (152 mm) RN Raimondo Montecuccoli HE-FT 152 935 8 5.1 4.2 2.39 29 29 29
USSR flag.png 152 mm/57 B-38 (152 mm) Sverdlov HE-FT 152 950 7.5 6.1 11 6.56 53 53 53

Usage in battles

The weapon can be found as both: Primary weapon on IJN Agano (firing 6 shells broadside every 9.7sec) and a secondary weapon on the Kongo-class (firing 4 shells every 6 seconds). In terms of TNT equivalent per minute for the HE shells this translates to 117,9 kg in Agano vs 126.8 kg in Kongo (or 95,1 kg/minute for the arcs where only Kongo's 3 guns can fire). So while at a first glance it might seem that the Type 41 as a secondary weapon is mostly just a filler, in reality it can output as much damage as a cruiser.

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Excellent SAP shell able to engage everything from a light cruiser to a motorboat
  • Single-mount version has an excellent fire rate for the caliber, making it relatively easy to engage coastal units at range

Cons:

  • No dedicated armor-piercing shells make it difficult if not impossible to respond to the enemy heavy cruisers or battleships
  • Low explosive filler in the HE and HE-TF shells comparing to the contemporary shells
  • Dual-mount version has a relatively slow fire rate and its not compensated with more guns a platform

History

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Media

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See also

External links


Japan naval cannons
20 mm  JM61 · Type 98
25 mm  25 mm/60 Type 96
37 mm  Type 4 · Type 11 pattern 1922
40 mm  40 mm/62 Vickers
57 mm  Type 97
75 mm  Type 88 AA
76 mm  3-inch/40 Type 41 · 8 cm/40 3rd Year Type · 8 cm/60 Type 98
100 mm  100/65 mm Type 98 mod A
120 mm  120 mm/45 3rd Year Type · 120 mm/45 10th year type
127 mm  5 inch/40 Type 89 · 127 mm/50 3rd Year Type
140 mm  140 mm/50 3rd Year Type
152 mm  6-inch/45 Type 41 · 15 cm/50 Type 41
155 mm  155 mm/60 3rd Year Type
200 mm  20 cm 3rd year type No.1
203 mm  20 cm/45 Type 41 · 20 cm/50 3rd year type No.2
356 mm  36 cm/45 Type 41
410 mm  410 mm/45 Type 3
  Foreign:
20 mm  20 mm/70 Oerlikon Mk.II (USA/Britain)
40 mm  Bofors L/60 Mark 1 (USA) · Bofors L/60 Mark 2 (USA) · Bofors L/60 Mark 3 (USA)
47 mm  3 pdr QF Hotchkiss (Britain)
76 mm  3-inch Mark 10 (USA) · 3 inch Mk.33 (USA) · 3-inch Mk.34 (USA)
120 mm  4,7-inch/40 Armstrong (Britain)
127 mm  5 inch/38 Mk.12 (USA)
305 mm  12-inch/45 Vickers (Britain) · 12-inch/50 Vickers (Britain)