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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
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The '''M.S.410''' was meant to be an upgrade over the M.S.406 after its introduction in 1939. The engineers included a new wing design, improved offensive armament and a new fixed radiator, among other minor upgrades. The changes were minor and the plane was not much different compared to its predecessor, the aircraft never managed to be used by the French Air Force since its production started just before France's capitulation in June 1940. The aircraft was however, was produced in limited numbers under German supervision in Vichy France, also a few M.S.406 airframes were converted to the 410.
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Introduced in [[Update 1.73 "Vive la France"]], the {{Specs|name}} behaves like many other French aircraft of its rank and BR, it has a relatively mediocre armament and good agility at the cost of top speed and durability. The M.S.410 has an acceptable climb rate that should be used to maintain initiative and energy fight slower opponents, since many fighters, specially German and American fighters will be able to outrun you. Due to its armament, the {{Specs|name}} is not well suited to pursuing bombers, instead, try saving the ammo of your 20 mm cannon for fighters and critical shots.
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
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=== Flight Performance ===
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=== Flight performance ===
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! colspan="2" | Max Speed<br>(km/h at 4,000 m)
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! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(metres)
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! colspan="2" | Rate of climb<br>(metres/second)
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==== Details ====
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* 70 mm Bulletproof glass in front of pilot.
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* 6 mm Steel plates behind the pilot's head.
  
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=== Offensive weaponry ===
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=== Offensive armament ===
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{{main|Hispano 404 (20 mm)|MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)}}
  
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=== Defensive weaponry ===
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The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:
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== Usage in the battles ==
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* 1 x 20 mm Hispano 404 cannon, nose-mounted (60 rpg)
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* 4 x 7.5 mm MAC 1934 machine guns, wing-mounted (500 rpg = 2,000 total)
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The four machine guns are arranged in bundles of two mounted in each wing. Each are armed with the same amount of ammunition, which means that all guns will fire together until empty. The Hispano 404 cannon is nose-mounted, terminating at the prop spinner.
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== Usage in battles ==
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The M.S.410 is a respectably balanced fighter, able to both turn and energy fight with reasonable performance in both roles. The typical French combo of 7.5 mm MGs and 20 mm Hispano cannon though the spinner allows you to take on even the toughest of targets at your rank with little issue in landing hard-hitting knock-outs.
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Some aircraft will be able to outrun you, such as the early German air superiority fighters, and others like the Japanese will be able to outturn you, but very few planes will be able to do both. Use this to your advantage to gain the upper hand in the furball.
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=== Manual Engine Control ===
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! rowspan="2" | Pitch
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! colspan="3" | Radiator
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! rowspan="2" | Supercharger
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! rowspan="2" | Turbocharger
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* Effective dive speed
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* Decent ammo count in armaments
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* Acceptable flat line speed
  
 
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* Low amount of cannon rounds (60 rpg)
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* Low energy retention
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* Terrible low speed control
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* Extremely difficult to extinguish on-plane fires
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As the M.S.406 began entering squadron service in 1939, engineers at Morane-Saulnier continued working on the design, aiming to improve it. Several changes were made to the base design, which included the replacement of the old wing design with a new one, increased and improved offensive capabilities and the replacement of the old retractable radiator with a fixed one, among others. The applied changes resulted in the new M.S.410 being able to achieve somewhat better performance than its predecessor, namely reaching a slightly higher top speed. Right after the M.S.410 entered production, France capitulated in June 1940, halting the production of the aircraft after the fifth machine was constructed.
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Production of the M.S.410 was temporarily halted after the German occupation, but resumed shortly after under German supervision. Before France's capitulation, an order for 500 M.S.410s was placed. Needless to say, this production quota was never met, even under German supervision. In the end, only around 70 examples of the M.S.410 were manufactured, most of which consisted of M.S.406 airframes being converted to the 410 standard. Even then, a large number of these machines were only partially upgraded to the 410 standard, leaving many examples as hybrid models.
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''- From [[wt:en/news/5113-development-m-s-410-the-duelist-en|Devblog]]''
  
 
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{{Skin-gallery |market|ugcitem_1000285|M.S.410 (D-3801).jpg|Camo "D-3801 J-132, 13 Fliegerkompanie"}}
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* [[wt:en/news/5113-development-m-s-410-the-duelist-en|[Devblog] M.S.410: The Duelist]]
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* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/385909-morane-saulnier-ms410c-1/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]
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{{France fighters}}

Latest revision as of 11:44, 4 February 2024

Rank VI USSR | Premium | Golden Eagles
Su-25K Pack
M.S.410
ms_410c1.png
GarageImage M.S.410.jpg
ArtImage M.S.410.png
M.S.410
France flag.png France
II Rank
Battle rating:
AB RB SB
2.0 2.3 2.3
Class:
Research:7 900 Specs-Card-Exp.png
Purchase:10 000 Specs-Card-Lion.png
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Description

The M.S.410 was meant to be an upgrade over the M.S.406 after its introduction in 1939. The engineers included a new wing design, improved offensive armament and a new fixed radiator, among other minor upgrades. The changes were minor and the plane was not much different compared to its predecessor, the aircraft never managed to be used by the French Air Force since its production started just before France's capitulation in June 1940. The aircraft was however, was produced in limited numbers under German supervision in Vichy France, also a few M.S.406 airframes were converted to the 410.

Introduced in Update 1.73 "Vive la France", the M.S.410 behaves like many other French aircraft of its rank and BR, it has a relatively mediocre armament and good agility at the cost of top speed and durability. The M.S.410 has an acceptable climb rate that should be used to maintain initiative and energy fight slower opponents, since many fighters, specially German and American fighters will be able to outrun you. Due to its armament, the M.S.410 is not well suited to pursuing bombers, instead, try saving the ammo of your 20 mm cannon for fighters and critical shots.

General info

Flight performance

Max speed
at 4 000 m477 km/h
Turn time20 s
Max altitude9 800 m
EngineHispano-Suiza 12Y-31
TypeInline
Cooling systemWater
Take-off weight3 t
Characteristics Max Speed
(km/h at 4,000 m) 		Max altitude
(metres) 		Turn time
(seconds) 		Rate of climb
(metres/second) 		Take-off run
(metres)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
Stock 459 447 9800 21.0 21.9 9.4 9.4 300
Upgraded 497 477 19.0 20.0 14.9 11.9

Details

Features
Combat flaps Take-off flaps Landing flaps Air brakes Arrestor gear
X X ✓ X X
Limits
Wings (km/h) Gear (km/h) Flaps (km/h) Max Static G
Combat Take-off Landing + -
756 320 N/A N/A 270 ~13 ~8
Optimal velocities (km/h)
Ailerons Rudder Elevators Radiator
< 310 < 320 < 330 > 330

Survivability and armour

Crew1 person
Speed of destruction
Structural756 km/h
Gear320 km/h
  • 70 mm Bulletproof glass in front of pilot.
  • 6 mm Steel plates behind the pilot's head.

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference
AB311 → 422 Sl icon.png
RB676 → 919 Sl icon.png
SB888 → 1 207 Sl icon.png
Total cost of modifications6 920 Rp icon.png
6 760 Sl icon.png
Talisman cost530 Ge icon.png
Crew training3 000 Sl icon.png
Experts10 000 Sl icon.png
Aces125 Ge icon.png
Research Aces160 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
20 / 60 / 120 % Sl icon.png
112 / 112 / 112 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Flight performance Survivability Weaponry
Mods aerodinamic fuse.png
Fuselage repair
Research:
460 Rp icon.png
Cost:
450 Sl icon.png
80 Ge icon.png
Mods radiator.png
Radiator
Research:
460 Rp icon.png
Cost:
450 Sl icon.png
80 Ge icon.png
Mods armor frame.png
Airframe
Research:
520 Rp icon.png
Cost:
510 Sl icon.png
90 Ge icon.png
Mods compressor.png
Compressor
Research:
520 Rp icon.png
Cost:
510 Sl icon.png
90 Ge icon.png
Mods aerodinamic wing.png
Wings repair
Research:
580 Rp icon.png
Cost:
560 Sl icon.png
100 Ge icon.png
Mods new engine.png
Engine
Research:
580 Rp icon.png
Cost:
560 Sl icon.png
100 Ge icon.png
Mods armor cover.png
Cover
Research:
560 Rp icon.png
Cost:
550 Sl icon.png
95 Ge icon.png
Mods metanol.png
Engine injection
Research:
560 Rp icon.png
Cost:
550 Sl icon.png
95 Ge icon.png
Mods engine extinguisher.png
EFS(a)
Research:
560 Rp icon.png
Cost:
550 Sl icon.png
95 Ge icon.png
Mods ammo.png
7_5mm_belt_pack
Research:
460 Rp icon.png
Cost:
450 Sl icon.png
80 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods weapon.png
mac39_new_gun
Research:
520 Rp icon.png
Cost:
510 Sl icon.png
90 Ge icon.png
Mods ammo.png
hispano_belt_pack
Research:
580 Rp icon.png
Cost:
560 Sl icon.png
100 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods weapon.png
hispano_404_new_gun
Research:
560 Rp icon.png
Cost:
550 Sl icon.png
95 Ge icon.png

Armaments

Offensive armament

Weapon 120 mm Hispano 404 cannon
Ammunition60 rounds
Fire rate700 shots/min
Weapon 24 x 7.5 mm MAC 1934 machine gun
Ammunition2 000 rounds
Fire rate1 350 shots/min
Main articles: Hispano 404 (20 mm), MAC 1934 (7.5 mm)

The M.S.410 is armed with:

  • 1 x 20 mm Hispano 404 cannon, nose-mounted (60 rpg)
  • 4 x 7.5 mm MAC 1934 machine guns, wing-mounted (500 rpg = 2,000 total)

The four machine guns are arranged in bundles of two mounted in each wing. Each are armed with the same amount of ammunition, which means that all guns will fire together until empty. The Hispano 404 cannon is nose-mounted, terminating at the prop spinner.

Usage in battles

The M.S.410 is a respectably balanced fighter, able to both turn and energy fight with reasonable performance in both roles. The typical French combo of 7.5 mm MGs and 20 mm Hispano cannon though the spinner allows you to take on even the toughest of targets at your rank with little issue in landing hard-hitting knock-outs.

Some aircraft will be able to outrun you, such as the early German air superiority fighters, and others like the Japanese will be able to outturn you, but very few planes will be able to do both. Use this to your advantage to gain the upper hand in the furball.

Manual Engine Control

MEC elements
Mixer Pitch Radiator Supercharger Turbocharger
Oil Water Type
Controllable Controllable
Not auto controlled 		Not controllable
Not auto controlled 		Controllable
Not auto controlled 		Combined Not controllable
1 gear 		Not controllable

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Effective dive speed
  • Decent ammo count in armaments
  • Acceptable flat line speed

Cons:

  • Low amount of cannon rounds (60 rpg)
  • Low energy retention
  • Terrible low speed control
  • Extremely difficult to extinguish on-plane fires

History

As the M.S.406 began entering squadron service in 1939, engineers at Morane-Saulnier continued working on the design, aiming to improve it. Several changes were made to the base design, which included the replacement of the old wing design with a new one, increased and improved offensive capabilities and the replacement of the old retractable radiator with a fixed one, among others. The applied changes resulted in the new M.S.410 being able to achieve somewhat better performance than its predecessor, namely reaching a slightly higher top speed. Right after the M.S.410 entered production, France capitulated in June 1940, halting the production of the aircraft after the fifth machine was constructed.

Production of the M.S.410 was temporarily halted after the German occupation, but resumed shortly after under German supervision. Before France's capitulation, an order for 500 M.S.410s was placed. Needless to say, this production quota was never met, even under German supervision. In the end, only around 70 examples of the M.S.410 were manufactured, most of which consisted of M.S.406 airframes being converted to the 410 standard. Even then, a large number of these machines were only partially upgraded to the 410 standard, leaving many examples as hybrid models.

- From Devblog

Media

Skins
Skin icon market.pngMarket
M.S.410 (D-3801).jpg
Camo "D-3801 J-132, 13 Fliegerkompanie"

See also

Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:

  • reference to the series of the aircraft;
  • links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

External links


Morane-Saulnier Aeroplanes (Aéroplanes Morane-Saulnier)
Fighters  M.S.405C1
  M.S.406C1
  M.S.410
See Also  Valtion Lentokonetehdas

France fighters
Dewoitine  D.371 · D.371 H.S.9 · D.373 · D.500 · D.501 · Pallier's D.510 · D.520
Morane-Saulnier  M.S.405C1 · M.S.406C1 · M.S.410
Arsenal  V.G.33C-1
Bloch  M.B.152C1 · M.B.157
Caudron  C.R.714
Sud-Ouest  S.O.8000 Narval
American  H-75A-1 · H-75A-4 · ▄P-39Q-25 · ▄P-40F-5 Lafayette · ▄P-47D-22-RE · ▄P-63C-5 · F-6C-10-NA
  ▄F6F-5 · ▄F6F-5N · F4U-7 · ▄F8F-1B
Other countries  ▄Seafire LF Mk.III · ▄Yak-3 · Challe's ▄Yak-9T · NC.900
Belgium  ▄Gladiator Mk I · ▄Spitfire FR Mk XIVe
Netherlands  ◘Sea Fury FB 51

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