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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was a French prototype for a new self-propelled artillery piece, developed after WWII with the intent of providing France with a domestic artillery system. The prototypes were finished in the 1950s but never reached production. The vehicle was equipped with the Obusier de 155 mm Modèle 50 alongside a roof-mounted 20 mm autocannon for anti-aircraft defence. A new project emerged in the early 1950s, the Batignolles Chatillon 155 mm. The Lorraine 155 mm project was deemed to be redundant and all work on the project was discontinued.
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (shortened as '''{{Specs|pseudonym}}''') is a gift rank {{Specs|rank}} French tank destroyer {{Battle-rating|1}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.77 "Advancing Storm"]] during the 2018 [[WW2 Chronicles|World War Two Chronicles]].  
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It was introduced in [[Update 1.77 "Advancing Storm"]] as a reward during the [[wt:en/news/5453-special-chronicles-of-world-war-ii-in-war-thunder-en|2018 WW2 Chronicles]]. The '''{{Specs|pseudonym}}''' is a very interesting self propelled artillery, featuring a 155 mm Howitzer at a relatively low BR, alongside a 20 mm autocannon that can be used to some extent against enemy tanks, but is especially useful against enemy aircraft. The biggest issue with this vehicle is the ability to be easily overpressured by enemy HE shells and the slow reload, with 20 seconds minimum using an aced crew.
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
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The Lorraine 155 Mle.50 has very little armour (although some are sloped enough to deflect certain low-rank rounds), and can generally be penetrated by most guns of its rank. Even worse, however, the 'casemate' (if it can even be called that) has very little armour, and in some places can be shot through with machine guns. The machine-gunner (operating the 151) is completely open to the elements. Generally, you want to rely on good map placement and mobility, rather than armour.
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The {{PAGENAME}} has very little armour (although some are sloped enough to deflect certain low-calibre rounds), and can generally be penetrated by most guns of its rank. Even worse, however, the 'casemate' (if it can even be called that) has very little armour, and in some places can be shot through with machine guns. The machine-gunner (operating the 20 mm gun) is completely standing in the open. Generally, you want to rely on good map placement and mobility, rather than armour.
  
 
'''Armour type:'''
 
'''Armour type:'''
  
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* Rolled homogeneous armour
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* Rolled homogeneous armour (hull, superstructure)
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* Structural steel
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* Wheel (tires)
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* Structural steel (gun mount, gun breech, mudguards)
  
 
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! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
 
! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
 
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| Hull || 16 mm (70°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 16 mm (2-73°) ''Transmission housing'' || 16 mm || 10 mm (0-42°) || 10 mm
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| Hull || 16 mm (70°) ''Upper glacis - Top'' <br> 16 mm (60°) ''Upper glacis - Bottom'' <br> 16 mm (cylindrical) ''Transmission housing'' <br> 16 mm (73°) ''Lower glacis - Centre'' <br> 20 mm (31°) ''Lower glacis - Sides'' || 16 mm || 10 mm ''Upper plate'' <br> 10 mm (42°) ''Lower glacis'' || 16 mm (20°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 10 mm ''Centre & Rear'' <br> 10+10 mm ''Radiator vent covers''
 
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| Superstructure || 16 mm (21°) ''Front'' <br> 10 mm ''Gun shield'' || 16 mm (30°) ''Right side'' <br> 16 mm (21-48°) ''Left side'' || 10 mm || 10 mm
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| Superstructure || 16 mm (21°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 10 mm (cylindrical) ''Gun shield'' || 16 mm (30°) <br> 16 mm (21-48°) ''Left ammo rack bulge'' || 10 mm ''Sides'' || 10 mm
 
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! Armour !! Sides !! Roof
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| Cupola || N/A || colspan="2" style="text-align:center" | 10 mm (cylindrical) || N/A
 
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| Cupola || 10 mm || N/A
 
 
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'''Notes:'''
 
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* Suspension wheels are 10 mm thick while tracks, sprocket wheels, torsion bars, and return rollers are 20 mm thick.
 
* Suspension wheels are 10 mm thick while tracks, sprocket wheels, torsion bars, and return rollers are 20 mm thick.
 
* Belly armour is 10 mm thick.
 
* Belly armour is 10 mm thick.
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* Gun Breach is 300mm thick, while the barrel itself is 25mm.
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* Gun breech is 150 mm thick, while the barrel itself is 25 mm.
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* Gun Carriage around the gun is 20mm thick, while the gun mount/traverse device is 40mm thick.
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* Gun carriage around the gun is 20 mm thick, while the gun mount/traverse device is 40 mm thick.
  
 
=== Mobility ===
 
=== Mobility ===
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! Weight (tons)
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=== Modifications and economy ===
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! colspan="1" | Add-on Armour<br>weight (tons)
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! colspan="1" | Max speed (km/h)
 
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| rowspan="2" | 28.0 || colspan="1" rowspan="2" | N/A || colspan="1" | 59 (AB)
 
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|55 (RB/SB)
 
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! colspan="3" | Engine power (horsepower)
 
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! colspan="1" | Mode
 
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!Stock
 
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!Upgraded
 
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|''Arcade''
 
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|639
 
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|787
 
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|''Realistic/Simulator''
 
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|398
 
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|450
 
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! colspan="3" | Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
 
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!Upgraded
 
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|''Arcade''
 
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|22.82
 
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|28.11
 
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|''Realistic/Simulator''
 
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|14.21
 
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|16.07
 
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== Armaments ==
 
== Armaments ==
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{{Specs-Tank-Armaments}}
 
=== Main armament ===
 
=== Main armament ===
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{{main|L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950 howitzer (155 mm)|l1=L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950 (155 mm)}}
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{{main|L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950 (155 mm)}}
  
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! colspan="6" | [[L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950 howitzer (155 mm)|155 mm L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950]]
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! colspan="5" | [[L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950 (155 mm)|155 mm L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
 
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! colspan="3" rowspan="1" style="width:5em" |Capacity
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! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
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! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
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! rowspan="1" | Horizontal <br> guidance
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! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
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! rowspan="1" | Stabilizer
 
 
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| colspan="3" | 30 || -5°/+67° || ±20° || N/A
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| rowspan="2" | 30 || rowspan="2" | -5°/+67° || rowspan="2" | ±20° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 5.3 || 7.3 || 8.9 || 9.8 || 10.5 || rowspan="2" | 26.00 || rowspan="2" | 23.00 || rowspan="2" | 21.20 || rowspan="2" | 20.00
 
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! ''Realistic''
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| 3.6 || 4.2 || 5.1 || 5.6 || 6.0
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! style="width:4em" |Prior + Full crew
 
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! style="width:4em" |Prior + Expert qualif.
 
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| ''Arcade'' || 5.27 || 7.31 || 8.88 || 9.82 || 10.45
 
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| ''Realistic'' || 3.57 || 4.2 || 5.1 || 5.64 || 6.0
 
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! colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
 
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! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Full crew
 
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| 26.0 || 23.0 || 21.2 || 20.0  
 
 
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===== Ammunition =====
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==== Ammunition ====
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{{:L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950 (155 mm)/Ammunition|M107, M110}}
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! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
 
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! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
 
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! rowspan="2" class="unsortable" | Type of <br /> warhead
 
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! colspan="6" | '''Penetration''' '''''in mm''''' '''@ 0° Angle of Attack'''
 
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! 2000m
 
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| M107 || HE || 54 || 54 || 54 || 54 || 54 || 54
 
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! colspan="11" | Shell details
 
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! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
 
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! rowspan="2" class="unsortable" | Type of <br /> warhead
 
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! rowspan="2" |Velocity <br /> in m/s
 
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! rowspan="2" |Projectile<br />Mass in kg
 
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! rowspan="2" | ''Fuse delay''
 
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''in m:''
 
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! rowspan="2" | ''Fuse sensitivity''
 
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''in mm:''
 
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! rowspan="2" | ''Explosive Mass in g<br /> (TNT equivalent):''
 
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! rowspan="2" | ''Normalization At 30° <br> from horizontal:''
 
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! colspan="3" | ''Ricochet:''
 
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! 0%
 
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! 50%
 
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! 100%
 
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| M107 || HE || 563 || 43.1 || 0.1 || 0.1 || 6,860 || +0° || 79° || 80° || 81°
 
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! colspan="7" | Smoke characteristic
 
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! Ammunition
 
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! Velocity <br /> in m/s
 
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! Projectile<br />Mass in kg
 
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! ''Screen radius <br /> in m''
 
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! ''Screen time <br /> in s''
 
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! ''Screen hold time <br /> in s:''
 
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! ''Explosive Mass in g<br /> (TNT equivalent):''
 
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| M110 || 563 || 40.8 || 25 || 5 || 30 || 50
 
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
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! Full<br /> ammo
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! Full<br>ammo
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! 1st<br /> rack empty
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! 1st<br>rack empty
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! 2nd<br /> rack empty
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! 2nd<br>rack empty
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! 3rd<br /> rack empty
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! 3rd<br>rack empty
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! 4th<br /> rack empty
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! 4th<br>rack empty
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! 5th<br /> rack empty
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! 5th<br>rack empty
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! 6th<br /> rack empty
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! 6th<br>rack empty
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! 7th <br /> rack empty
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! 7th<br>rack empty
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! 8th <br /> rack empty
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! 8th<br>rack empty
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! Visual discrepancy
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! Visual<br>discrepancy
 
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|| '''30''' || 29&nbsp;''(+1)'' || 27 ''(+3)'' || 23&nbsp;''(+7)'' || 18&nbsp;''(+12)'' || 15&nbsp;''(+15)'' || 9&nbsp;''(+21)'' ||6&nbsp;''(+24)''||1&nbsp;''(+29)''|| style="text-align:left" | No
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| '''30''' || 29&nbsp;''(+1)'' || 27&nbsp;''(+3)'' || 23&nbsp;''(+7)'' || 18&nbsp;''(+12)'' || 15&nbsp;''(+15)'' || 9&nbsp;''(+21)'' || 6&nbsp;''(+24)''|| 1&nbsp;''(+29)''|| Yes
 
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'''Notes:'''
 
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* Recommended ammo load: '''10'''. ''Keeps most ammunition in the floor and out of sponsons.''
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* Projectiles and propellant charges are modeled individually and disappear after having been shot or loaded.
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* The visual discrepancy concerns the total number of shells as well as the number of shells per rack:
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** 28 shells are modeled but you can pack 30 shells.
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** Rack 8 is modeled as 3 shells but contains 5 shells.
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* Recommended loadout: 9&nbsp;''(+21)'' shells. It keeps most ammunition in the floor and out of sponsons.
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{{Clear}}
 
=== Machine guns ===
 
=== Machine guns ===
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{{main|MG 151 (20 mm)}}
  
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! colspan="5" | [[MG 151 (20 mm)|20 mm MG 151]]
 
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! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
 
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! colspan="4" rowspan="1" style="width:5em" |Capacity (Belt capacity)
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| Roof cupola || 500 (250) || 701 || -8°/+45° || ±180°
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! rowspan="1" | Fire rate <br> (shots/minute)
 
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! rowspan="1" | Vertical <br> guidance
 
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! rowspan="1" | Horizontal <br> guidance
 
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The roof-mounted MG 151 autocannon is very good at knocking out tracks, punching through lightly armoured vehicles and shooting down low-flying aircraft. Use it sparsely because of its low ammo count. When losing a crew member, the machine gunner is used to replace other crew members, meaning that you can't use the 20 mm cannon anymore.
  
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
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The best method of using the large-calibre weapon on the Loraine is to exploit the high-explosive power against thin-armour on the enemy. Like other large calibre HE tanks, shooting below an enemy vehicle will penetrate its belly armor. This is an effective, albeit difficult way to engage tanks whose armor is greater than what your HE shell can penetrate.
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The best method of using the large-calibre weapon on the Lorraine is to exploit the high-explosive power against thin-armour on the enemy. Like other large calibre HE tanks, shooting below an enemy vehicle will penetrate its belly armour. This is an effective, albeit difficult way to engage tanks whose armour is greater than what your HE shell can penetrate.
  
 
Some targets to keep in mind of, and their weak points:
 
Some targets to keep in mind of, and their weak points:
  
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* Tiger I - While seemingly a hard enemy to face, the Tiger is easily dispatched with a side shot. A hit to the roadwheels will penetrate the tank, with the shell fragments going through the thin armor on the underside of the tank's sponson. This is also possible to do to Tiger IIs, but usually results in much less damage done.
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* Tiger I - While seemingly a hard enemy to face, the Tiger is easily dispatched with a side shot. A hit to the roadwheels will penetrate the tank, with the shell fragments going through the thin armour on the underside of the tank's sponson. This is also possible to do to Tiger IIs, but usually results in much less damage done.
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* Tiger II P, Panthers D and A - a hit to the bottom of the curved turret face of these tanks will cause the HE shell to pen the roof of the vehicle. This can also be done on tanks with flat turret fronts ( Tiger I, Tiger II H, Panthers G and F) by aiming for the lower half of the turret, but is not as reliable.  
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* Tiger II P, Panthers D and A - a hit to the bottom of the curved turret face of these tanks will cause the HE shell to penetrate the roof of the vehicle. This can also be done on tanks with flat turret fronts ( Tiger I, Tiger II H, Panthers G and F) by aiming for the lower half of the turret, but is not as reliable.
  
 
=== Pros and cons ===
 
=== Pros and cons ===
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'''Pros:'''
 
'''Pros:'''
  
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* Powerful 155mm gun with a HE shell on-par with the KV-2's gun
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* Powerful 155 mm gun with a HE shell on-par with the KV-2's gun
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* Pintle-mounted 20mm cannon that is deadly to lightly-armoured vehicles and aircraft
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* Pintle-mounted 20 mm cannon that is deadly to lightly-armoured vehicles and aircraft
 
* Decent mobility
 
* Decent mobility
 
* Good reverse speed
 
* Good reverse speed
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'''Cons:'''
 
'''Cons:'''
  
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* Thin armor with an open casemate, allows even rifle-calibre rounds to affect the crew
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* Thin armour with an open casemate, allows even rifle-calibre rounds to affect the crew
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* Despite thin armor, it's thick enough to trigger most fuses in APHE shells
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* Despite thin armour, it's thick enough to trigger most fuses in APHE shells
 
* Large profile
 
* Large profile
 
* Long reload time; increases if the loader is taken out
 
* Long reload time; increases if the loader is taken out
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* If the machine-gunner is knocked out, so is the ability to use the 20mm cannon
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* If the machine-gunner is knocked out, so is the ability to use the 20 mm cannon
 
* No AP shells, only HE shells
 
* No AP shells, only HE shells
 
* Bad gun depression of 5°
 
* Bad gun depression of 5°
  
 
== History ==
 
== History ==
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Prototypes of the Lorraine 155 Mle.50 passed trials in 1950, but never reached production.
 
Prototypes of the Lorraine 155 Mle.50 passed trials in 1950, but never reached production.
  
 
== Media ==
 
== Media ==
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Skin and Camouflages for the [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=france&vehicleType=tank&vehicleClass=tank_destroyer&vehicle=fr_lorraine_155 Lorraine 155 Mle.50] in Warthunder Live.
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Latest revision as of 10:39, 30 March 2024

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Lorraine 155 Mle.50
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GarageImage Lorraine 155 Mle.50.jpg
Lorraine 155 Mle.50
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Battle rating:
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Description

The Lorraine automoteur de 155 mm modèle 1950 was a French prototype for a new self-propelled artillery piece, developed after WWII with the intent of providing France with a domestic artillery system. The prototypes were finished in the 1950s but never reached production. The vehicle was equipped with the Obusier de 155 mm Modèle 50 alongside a roof-mounted 20 mm autocannon for anti-aircraft defence. A new project emerged in the early 1950s, the Batignolles Chatillon 155 mm. The Lorraine 155 mm project was deemed to be redundant and all work on the project was discontinued.

It was introduced in Update 1.77 "Advancing Storm" as a reward during the 2018 WW2 Chronicles. The Lorraine 155 Mle.50 is a very interesting self propelled artillery, featuring a 155 mm Howitzer at a relatively low BR, alongside a 20 mm autocannon that can be used to some extent against enemy tanks, but is especially useful against enemy aircraft. The biggest issue with this vehicle is the ability to be easily overpressured by enemy HE shells and the slow reload, with 20 seconds minimum using an aced crew.

General info

Survivability and armour

Armourfront / side / back
Hull16 / 16 / 10
Turret16 / 16 / 10
Crew6 people
Visibility133 %

The Lorraine 155 Mle.50 has very little armour (although some are sloped enough to deflect certain low-calibre rounds), and can generally be penetrated by most guns of its rank. Even worse, however, the 'casemate' (if it can even be called that) has very little armour, and in some places can be shot through with machine guns. The machine-gunner (operating the 20 mm gun) is completely standing in the open. Generally, you want to rely on good map placement and mobility, rather than armour.

Armour type:

  • Rolled homogeneous armour (hull, superstructure)
  • Wheel (tires)
  • Structural steel (gun mount, gun breech, mudguards)
Armour Front (Slope angle) Sides Rear Roof
Hull 16 mm (70°) Upper glacis - Top
16 mm (60°) Upper glacis - Bottom
16 mm (cylindrical) Transmission housing
16 mm (73°) Lower glacis - Centre
20 mm (31°) Lower glacis - Sides 		16 mm 10 mm Upper plate
10 mm (42°) Lower glacis 		16 mm (20°) Front glacis
10 mm Centre & Rear
10+10 mm Radiator vent covers
Superstructure 16 mm (21°) Front glacis
10 mm (cylindrical) Gun shield 		16 mm (30°)
16 mm (21-48°) Left ammo rack bulge 		10 mm Sides 10 mm
Cupola N/A 10 mm (cylindrical) N/A

Notes:

  • Suspension wheels are 10 mm thick while tracks, sprocket wheels, torsion bars, and return rollers are 20 mm thick.
  • Belly armour is 10 mm thick.
  • Gun breech is 150 mm thick, while the barrel itself is 25 mm.
  • Gun carriage around the gun is 20 mm thick, while the gun mount/traverse device is 40 mm thick.

Mobility

Speedforward / back
AB60 / 8 km/h
RB and SB55 / 8 km/h
Number of gears5 forward
1 back
Weight30.0 t
Engine power
AB1 145 hp
RB and SB600 hp
Power-to-weight ratio
AB38.2 hp/t
RB and SB20.0 hp/t
Game Mode Max Speed (km/h) Weight (tons) Engine power (horsepower) Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Forward Reverse Stock Upgraded Stock Upgraded
Arcade 60 8 30 852 1,145 28.4 38.17
Realistic 55 8 531 600 17.7 20

Modifications and economy

Repair cost
AB835 Sl icon.png
RB1 033 Sl icon.png
SB1 309 Sl icon.png
Crew training10 000 Sl icon.png
Experts165 000 Sl icon.png
Aces470 Ge icon.png
Research Aces710 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
Talisman.png 2 × 90 / 130 / 170 % Sl icon.png
Talisman.png 2 × 148 / 148 / 148 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Mobility Protection Firepower
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Tracks
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Suspension
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Brake System
Mods new tank filter.png
Filters
Mods new tank transmission.png
Transmission
Mods new tank engine.png
Engine
Mods tank tool kit.png
Improved Parts
Mods extinguisher.png
Improved FPE
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Crew Replenishment
Mods new tank horizontal aiming.png
Horizontal Drive
Mods tank ammo.png
155mm_M110_Smoke_ammo_pack
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Adjustment of Fire
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Elevation Mechanism

Armaments

Main armament

155 mm L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950 howitzer
Ammunition30 rounds
Reloadbasic crew → aces
26.0 → 20.0 s
Vertical guidance-5° / 67°
Horizontal guidance-20° / 20°
Main article: L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950 (155 mm)
155 mm L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950 Turret rotation speed (°/s) Reloading rate (seconds)
Mode Capacity Vertical Horizontal Stabilizer Stock Upgraded Full Expert Aced Stock Full Expert Aced
Arcade 30 -5°/+67° ±20° N/A 5.3 7.3 8.9 9.8 10.5 26.00 23.00 21.20 20.00
Realistic 3.6 4.2 5.1 5.6 6.0

Ammunition

Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
M107 HE 61 61 61 61 61 61
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Velocity
(m/s) 		Projectile
mass (kg) 		Fuse delay
(m) 		Fuse sensitivity
(mm) 		Explosive mass
(TNT equivalent) (kg) 		Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
M107 HE 563 43.1 0.3 0.1 9.14 79° 80° 81°
Smoke shell characteristics
Ammunition Velocity
(m/s) 		Projectile
mass (kg) 		Screen radius
(m) 		Screen deploy
time (s) 		Screen hold
time (s) 		Explosive mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
M110 563 40.8 21 5 30 50

Ammo racks

Full
ammo 		1st
rack empty 		2nd
rack empty 		3rd
rack empty 		4th
rack empty 		5th
rack empty 		6th
rack empty 		7th
rack empty 		8th
rack empty 		Visual
discrepancy
30 29 (+1) 27 (+3) 23 (+7) 18 (+12) 15 (+15) 9 (+21) 6 (+24) 1 (+29) Yes
Ammo racks of the Lorraine 155 Mle.50

Notes:

  • Projectiles and propellant charges are modeled individually and disappear after having been shot or loaded.
  • The visual discrepancy concerns the total number of shells as well as the number of shells per rack:
    • 28 shells are modeled but you can pack 30 shells.
    • Rack 8 is modeled as 3 shells but contains 5 shells.
  • Recommended loadout: 9 (+21) shells. It keeps most ammunition in the floor and out of sponsons.

Machine guns

20 mm MG151/20 cannon
Ammunition500 rounds
Belt capacity250 rounds
Reloadbasic crew → aces
13.0 → 10.0 s
Fire rate701 shots/min
Vertical guidance-8° / 45°
Main article: MG 151 (20 mm)
20 mm MG 151
Mount Capacity (Belt) Fire rate Vertical Horizontal
Roof cupola 500 (250) 701 -8°/+45° ±180°

The roof-mounted MG 151 autocannon is very good at knocking out tracks, punching through lightly armoured vehicles and shooting down low-flying aircraft. Use it sparsely because of its low ammo count. When losing a crew member, the machine gunner is used to replace other crew members, meaning that you can't use the 20 mm cannon anymore.

Usage in battles

The best method of using the large-calibre weapon on the Lorraine is to exploit the high-explosive power against thin-armour on the enemy. Like other large calibre HE tanks, shooting below an enemy vehicle will penetrate its belly armour. This is an effective, albeit difficult way to engage tanks whose armour is greater than what your HE shell can penetrate.

Some targets to keep in mind of, and their weak points:

  • Tiger I - While seemingly a hard enemy to face, the Tiger is easily dispatched with a side shot. A hit to the roadwheels will penetrate the tank, with the shell fragments going through the thin armour on the underside of the tank's sponson. This is also possible to do to Tiger IIs, but usually results in much less damage done.
  • Tiger II P, Panthers D and A - a hit to the bottom of the curved turret face of these tanks will cause the HE shell to penetrate the roof of the vehicle. This can also be done on tanks with flat turret fronts ( Tiger I, Tiger II H, Panthers G and F) by aiming for the lower half of the turret, but is not as reliable.

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Powerful 155 mm gun with a HE shell on-par with the KV-2's gun
  • Pintle-mounted 20 mm cannon that is deadly to lightly-armoured vehicles and aircraft
  • Decent mobility
  • Good reverse speed

Cons:

  • Thin armour with an open casemate, allows even rifle-calibre rounds to affect the crew
  • Despite thin armour, it's thick enough to trigger most fuses in APHE shells
  • Large profile
  • Long reload time; increases if the loader is taken out
  • If the machine-gunner is knocked out, so is the ability to use the 20 mm cannon
  • No AP shells, only HE shells
  • Bad gun depression of 5°

History

Prototypes of the Lorraine 155 Mle.50 passed trials in 1950, but never reached production.

Media

Skins
Videos
High-explosive power discusses the Lorraine 155 Mle.50 at 0:50 - War Thunder Official Channel
The Shooting Range #96 - Metal Beasts section at 00:39 discusses the Lorraine 155 Mle.50.
Lorraine 155 Mle.50 - Absolute unit - Oxy

See also

Vehicles equipped with the same chassis
Other vehicles of similar configuration and role

External links


Lorraine
Tanks 
Medium tanks  Lorraine 40t
Tank destroyers  Lorraine 37L · CA Lorraine · Lorraine 155 Mle.50

France tank destroyers
Lorraine 40t derivatives  CA Lorraine · Lorraine 155 Mle.50
ATGM  MEPHISTO · AMX-10M
Other  AMR.35 ZT3 · Lorraine 37L · SAu 40 · ARL-44 · ELC bis · AMX-50 Foch · AuF1
USA  ▄M10 GMC · ▄M36B2

France premium ground vehicles
Light tanks  AMD.35 (SA35) · H.39 "Cambronne" · LVT-4/40 · AMX-13 (SS.11) · AMX-13-M24 · E.B.R. (1954) · E.B.R. (1963) · VBCI-2 (MCT30)
Medium tanks  M4A1 (FL10) · Panther "Dauphiné" · AMX-30 · AMX-30 Super · AMX-50 (TO90/930)
Heavy tanks  B1 ter · 2C bis · Somua SM
Tank destroyers  Lorraine 155 Mle.50

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