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Revision as of 21:52, 25 May 2022

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B3C
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Description

The B3C is a rank I Swedish bomber with a battle rating of 1.0 (AB) and 1.3 (RB/SB). It was introduced in Update 1.95 "Northern Wind".

Originally built by the German aircraft firm Junkers, the B3C started out as the Ju 86, developed in the mid-1930s alongside rival Heinkel's He 111. Since the Luftwaffe could not officially build bomber aircraft at the time, the main purpose of the aircraft was to be a ten-person airliner which could with minimal effort be converted into a medium bomber. When tested during the Spanish Civil War, it was found that its diesel engines could not hold up against the rigours of combat and were replaced with BMW 123 radial engines which vastly increased its reliability.

Later in development, the Ju 86K was created for the purpose of exporting this aircraft to foreign nations of which Sweden and Hungary were the first to accept. Sweden started producing their licensed version of the bomber, the B 3 which was outfitted with British Bristol Mercury engines instead of the German BMW radials of which the Mercury engines were later were license-built in Sweden and Poland.

The B3C though an early war bomber is not without a box of tricks. While relegated to a medium bomber function, options in its suspended armament give it the option to carpet bomb smaller and lighter targets or to bomb heavier protected targets and bases. Externally outfitting an 853 kg torpedo gives the bomber the option to strike fear in fleet captains eyes especially when a crew member announces "Fish in the water". Though for the most part considered an average bomber when it comes to manoeuvrability, rate of climb and level speed, the B3C has what it takes to deliver its ordnance to the target and has several critically placed defensive turrets to protect the bomber against any interlopers intent on downing the bomber before it gets to its target.

General info

Flight performance

Max speed
at 5 600 m395 km/h
Turn time17 s
Max altitude8 000 m
Engine2 х Bristol Pegasus XXIV
Type
Cooling systemAir
Take-off weight9 t

The B3C is an average aircraft when it comes to flight characteristics, nothing really impressive, but nothing which hinders the bombers ability to do its job. Acceleration, rate of climb and level speed are good enough however if caught in a low energy state with nowhere to dive, it will be relatively easy to catch even in the most sluggish of fighters and attackers. The large surface area of the wings enable this aircraft to have a comparatively low stall speed and the dual vertical stabilizers detract from the rudder capabilities of this aircraft compared to aircraft with single vertical stabilizers (see B-24 vs PB4Y for comparison of vertical stabilizer types).

The B3C was destined for mid to high altitude bombing where it remains safer from a majority of the fighters found flying against it in a match, however dropping to lower altitudes enables even the slowest of biplanes (Po-2 and Hs 123) to take pot-shots at the bomber. There will be one option which will require the B3C to fly low and slow and that will be when setting up for a torpedo run and the bomber will not only be vulnerable to fighters and attackers at the extremely low altitude, they will also be vulnerable to anti-aircraft fire from the ships which should not have much difficulty hitting such a large and slow target.

Characteristics Max Speed
(km/h at 5,600 m)
Max altitude
(metres)
Turn time
(seconds)
Rate of climb
(metres/second)
Take-off run
(metres)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
Stock 372 363 8000 17.8 18.4 5.5 5.5 530
Upgraded 421 395 16.3 17.0 10.5 7.7

Details

Features
Combat flaps Take-off flaps Landing flaps Air brakes Arrestor gear
X X
Limits
Wings (km/h) Gear (km/h) Flaps (km/h) Max Static G
Combat Take-off Landing + -
430 350 310 297 240 ~7 ~3
Optimal velocities (km/h)
Ailerons Rudder Elevators Radiator
< 200 < 200 < 250 > 324

Survivability and armour

Crew4 people
Speed of destruction
Structural430 km/h
Gear350 km/h
  • No armour
  • Self-sealing fuel tanks (4 in each wing)

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference
AB229 → 286 Sl icon.png
RB321 → 401 Sl icon.png
SB433 → 541 Sl icon.png
Total cost of modifications4 440 Rp icon.png
2 670 Sl icon.png
Talisman cost300 Ge icon.png
Crew training600 Sl icon.png
Experts2 100 Sl icon.png
Aces45 Ge icon.png
Research Aces110 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
20 / 40 / 80 % Sl icon.png
100 / 100 / 100 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Flight performance Survivability Weaponry
Mods aerodinamic fuse.png
Fuselage repair
Research:
300 Rp icon.png
Cost:
180 Sl icon.png
55 Ge icon.png
Mods radiator.png
Radiator
Research:
300 Rp icon.png
Cost:
180 Sl icon.png
55 Ge icon.png
Mods compressor.png
Compressor
Research:
330 Rp icon.png
Cost:
200 Sl icon.png
60 Ge icon.png
Mods aerodinamic wing.png
Wings repair
Research:
370 Rp icon.png
Cost:
220 Sl icon.png
70 Ge icon.png
Mods new engine.png
Engine
Research:
370 Rp icon.png
Cost:
220 Sl icon.png
70 Ge icon.png
Mods metanol.png
Engine injection
Research:
480 Rp icon.png
Cost:
290 Sl icon.png
90 Ge icon.png
Mods armor frame.png
Airframe
Research:
330 Rp icon.png
Cost:
200 Sl icon.png
60 Ge icon.png
Mods armor cover.png
Cover
Research:
480 Rp icon.png
Cost:
290 Sl icon.png
90 Ge icon.png
Mods ammo.png
8_63_turret_belt_pack
Research:
300 Rp icon.png
Cost:
180 Sl icon.png
55 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 1.png
Mods pilon torpedo.png
m/41 (m/38)
Research:
330 Rp icon.png
Cost:
200 Sl icon.png
60 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 1.png
Mods weapon.png
8_63_turret_new_gun
Research:
370 Rp icon.png
Cost:
220 Sl icon.png
70 Ge icon.png
Mods pilon bomb.png
m/40(250)
Research:
480 Rp icon.png
Cost:
290 Sl icon.png
90 Ge icon.png

Armaments

Suspended armament

List of setups (3)
Setup 116 x 50 kg sb m/42 bomb
Setup 21 x m/41 torpedo
Setup 34 x 250 kg mb m/40 bomb

The B3C can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

  • 16 x 50 kg sb m/42 bombs (800 kg total)
  • 1 x 450 mm m/41 torpedo
  • 4 x 250 kg mb m/40 bombs (1,000 kg total)

Defensive armament

Turret8 mm Ksp m/22-37 R machine gun
Ammunition675 rounds
Fire rate1200 shots/min
Turret8 mm Ksp m/22-37 R machine gun
Ammunition1050 rounds
Fire rate1200 shots/min
Turret8 mm Ksp m/22-37 R machine gun
Ammunition825 rounds
Fire rate1200 shots/min
Main article: Ksp m/22-37 R (8 mm)

The B3C is defended by:

  • 1 x 8 mm Ksp m/22-37 R machine gun, nose turret (675 rpg)
  • 1 x 8 mm Ksp m/22-37 R machine gun, dorsal turret (1,050 rpg)
  • 1 x 8 mm Ksp m/22-37 R machine gun, ventral turret (825 rpg)

Usage in battles

While many aircraft found in War Thunder are considered multi-role capable (fighter, interceptor, attacker and/or bomber), some aircraft sit within just one role but have several subset capabilities within that role. The B3C is no exception as its sole role in the game is as a medium bomber, however, it is capable of defining its mission depending on the type of suspended ordnance is outfitted.

Small target bomber

As an early rank bomber, the B3C has access to many of the smaller weight bombs found in the game. Loading up with the 50 kg bombs allow the bomber to take out many of the lightly protect vehicles found on the map to include trucks, light tanks, anti-aircraft artillery, light pill-boxes/bunkers and aircraft parked on a runway. Vehicles travelling in columns make for an especially tempting target as when lined up properly, the B3C can come in at a lower altitude and drop individual bombs per target being more judicious with the suspended ordnance, especially in realistic and simulator battles where reloads require heading back to base. Heavy pillboxes, medium and heavy tanks along with bases should be avoided as these smaller bombs will be less effective against them.

Large/protected target bomber

When it comes to attacking a base or targets such as reinforced pillboxes, large ships, medium and heavy tanks, the 250 kg and 600 kg bombs will come in handy. With a harder punch, these bombs will make short work of the vehicles which the 50 kg bombs will realistically just bounce off of. Base bombing will be more effective specifically if the B3C is flying at 4,000 m and above where it is less likely to run into enemy fighters and if it does, the defensive turrets can make it that much more difficult for them to get sights on.

Torpedo bomber

The B3C can outfit an 853 kg torpedo to the external side of the aircraft's bomb bays. The big fish can make a big explosion, however, to get the torpedo into the water, the bomber must approach at a low and slow speed heading towards the intended target. Typically, ships don't sit there and just watch the torpedo approach and will begin to open up their anti-aircraft fire. The bomber pilot must maintain calm and precision to drop the torpedo, once released, the bomber must power back up to full speed and vacate the area to avoid further anti-aircraft fire and any potential enemy fighters which may be in the area.

Manual Engine Control

MEC elements
Mixer Pitch Radiator Supercharger Turbocharger
Oil Water Type
Controllable Controllable
Not auto controlled
Controllable
Not auto controlled
Controllable
Not auto controlled
Separate Not controllable
1 gear
Not controllable

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • 8 mm defensive guns can ward off most enemy fighters at its BR
  • Can carry a torpedo, unlike contemporary bombers at this BR
  • Both bomb loads can destroy a base
  • Defensive turrets have a high rate of fire
  • Large amounts of tracers can scare off beginning players
  • Turn time is better than some fighters
  • The 3 x 250 kg mb m/40 bombs are enough to destroy a single base, so in most cases you can destroy 1 and 1/3 of the enemy bases.

Cons:

  • Average flight characteristics
  • Large wing profile, an easy target for attacking fighters
  • Significant defensive blind spots from the side, above and below
  • Gear retraction and lowering is painfully slow; you will have to start lowering the gear long before you make it to the runway
  • Average speed: it will not be outrunning any fighters
  • Below average defensive turrets

History

The SAAB B3C began its life in the mid-1930s in Germany as the Junkers Ju 86. The purpose of this aircraft was to operate first as a high-speed passenger airliner but also function as a medium bomber with minimal conversion. Conversion from airliner required the removal of ten passenger seats and replaced with four bomb cells which carried each bomb in an upright position. Fuel tanks for the bomber version were located in the fuselage while the airliner moved them to the wings. Originally this bomber was outfitted with Junkers Jumo 205 diesel engines, their drawback was their weight, however, they were more fuel-efficient than standard petrol engines. Unfortunately during the Spanish Civil War, it was determined that the Ju 86 under-performed compared to the He 111, mainly because the diesel engines could not handle the rough treatment endured during combat situations. With this knowledge, the Ju 86 was converted to the BMW 132 radial engines which drastically improved the reliability of this bomber.

The Junkers model Ju 86K was the export version of the Ju 86 which allowed Sweden's aircraft manufacture SAAB to license build these medium bombers and designated them as the B 3. Instead of utilising BMW132 engines, SAAB opted to go with the Bristol Mercury XIX radial engines which had an output of 905 horsepower. The Swedes maintained their B 3 bombers throughout the war and continued to use them for another thirteen years with several being converted to maritime patrol and signal intelligence (SIGINT) aerial platforms to keep apprised of Soviet and Eastern Europe activity.

Devblog

In 1934, a set of requirements was issued to both Heinkel and Junkers to develop a new twin engine aircraft, capable of acting as both a high-speed civilian airliner as well as a medium bomber for the German Luftwaffe. While Heinkel would go on to develop the far more successful He 111, Junkers developed the Ju 86, the first test flights of which occurred already in late 1934 and extending in early 1935.

Early production of the type commenced in late 1935 for military versions, while civilian variants entered service in 1936. Despite being seen as inferior to the He 111, especially in military service, the Ju 86 nonetheless remained a relatively popular aircraft on the export market, being purchased by various operators from around the globe, ranging from South America, over Europe and going all the way to Asia and Oceania.

Among its many operators was also Sweden, which not only purchased a number of Ju 86s directly from Junkers, but also acquired a licence to manufacture the type domestically in the late 1930s.  Both imported and built under licence by the SAAB company, the aircraft received its new designation B3, and unlike the German original, the Swedish counterpart received different engines (namely licence-built versions of the Bristol Pegasus radial engines) as well as Swedish weaponry. 

As with other countries, Sweden employed their Ju 86s in both military as well as civilian roles for many years before, during and after WWII, with the last of the Ju 86s being decommissioned during the late 1950s. In total, only about 15 B3C and one B3D were built for the Swedish Air Force by SAAB between 1939 - 1940 out of the original 40 aircraft planned.

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See also

Aircraft of comparable role, configuration and era

External links


Swedish Aeroplane Company Ltd. (SAAB)
  Pre-SAAB: SA / ASJA
SA 'Jaktfalken'  J6B
SAAB 17  B17A · B17B · S17BS
SAAB 18  B18A · B18B · T18B · T18B (57)
SAAB 21  J21A-1 · J21A-2 · A21A-3 · J21RA · A21RB
SAAB 29 'Tunnan'  J29A · A29B · J29D · J29F
SAAB 32 'Lansen'  J32B · A32A · A32A Röd Adam
SAAB 35 'Draken'  J35A · J35D
SAAB 37 'Viggen'  JA37C · JA37D · JA37DI · JA37DI F21 · AJ37 · AJS37
SAAB 39 'Gripen'  JAS39A · JAS39C
SAAB 105  SK60B · SAAB-105G
License Production  B3C (Ju 86K)
Export  SAAB-105OE · J35XS · ▄JAS39C · ◔JAS39EBS HU C

Sweden bombers
B3  B3C
B17  B17A · B17B · S17BS
SAAB 18  B18A · B18B · T18B · T18B (57)
T 2  T 2
Finland  ▄Ar 196 A-5 · ▄Ju 88 A-4