Waffentrager

Waffenträger

Nashorn

M109G

Waffenträger

Nashorn

M109G

Germany

III Rank

Battle rating:

AB	RB	SB
5.7	5.7	5.7

Class:

Tank destroyer

Research:20 000

Purchase:135 000

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Description

The Waffenträger Krupp-Steyr mit Pak 43 is a rank III German tank destroyer with a battle rating of 5.7 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update 1.71 "New E.R.A.". Waffenträger translates to "weapon carrier" in English.

General info

Survivability and armour

Armourfront / side / back

Hull20 / 10 / 10

Turret20 / 10 / 10

Crew4 people

Visibility68 %

Armour type:

• Rolled homogeneous armour

Armour	Front (Slope angle)	Sides	Rear	Roof
Hull	10 mm (76°), 20 mm (46°) Front glacis 5 mm (46°) Engine grille 20 mm (44°) Lower glacis 10 mm (46°) Crew ports	10 mm (25°) Top 10 mm Bottom	10 mm (26°) Top 10 mm (15°) Bottom	5 mm
Turret	20 mm (41°) Turret front 20 mm (5-46°) Gun mantlet	10 mm (22-24°)	10 mm (24°)	N/A

Notes:

• Suspension wheels are 20 mm thick, and tracks are 30 mm thick.
• Belly armour is 5 mm thick.
• A 10 mm structural steel plate covers the engine from the crew.

Mobility

Speedforward / back

AB38 / 8 km/h

RB and SB35 / 7 km/h

Number of gears8 forward

4 back

Weight16.3 t

Engine power

AB267 hp

RB and SB140 hp

Power-to-weight ratio

AB16.4 hp/t

RB and SB8.6 hp/t

Game Mode	Max Speed (km/h)		Weight (tons)	Engine power (horsepower)		Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
	Forward	Reverse		Stock	Upgraded	Stock	Upgraded
Arcade	38	8	16.3	199	267	12.21	16.38
Realistic	35	7		124	140	7.61	8.59

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference

AB1 814 → 2 243

RB2 135 → 2 640

SB2 951 → 3 650

Total cost of modifications35 000

68 000

Talisman cost1 300

Crew training39 000

Experts135 000

Aces550

Research Aces390 000

Reward for battleAB / RB / SB

100 / 150 / 190 %

154 / 154 / 154 %

Modifications

Mobility	Protection	Firepower
Tracks Research: 2 300 Cost: 4 500 145 Suspension Research: 1 600 Cost: 3 100 100 Brake System Research: 1 600 Cost: 3 100 100 Filters Research: 2 900 Cost: 5 600 180 Transmission Research: 3 800 Cost: 7 400 240 Engine Research: 3 800 Cost: 7 400 240	Improved Parts Research: 2 300 Cost: 4 500 145 Improved FPE Research: 1 600 Cost: 3 100 100 Crew Replenishment Research: 2 900 Cost: 5 600 180	Horizontal Drive Research: 2 300 Cost: 4 500 145 Adjustment of Fire Research: 1 600 Cost: 3 100 100 88mm_kwk_36_43_HEAT_ammo_pack Research: 1 600 Cost: 3 100 100 Elevation Mechanism Research: 2 900 Cost: 5 600 180 88mm_kwk_36_43_APCR_ammo_pack Research: 3 800 Cost: 7 400 240

After the Parts and FPE modifications, the most useful upgrades are the Horizontal Drive, Adjustment of Fire, and Mobility modules.

Armaments

Main armament

88 mm PaK43 cannon

Ammunition30 rounds

Reloadbasic crew → aces

11.1 → 8.5 s

Vertical guidance-8° / 45°

88 mm PaK43					Turret rotation speed (°/s)					Reloading rate (seconds)
Mode	Capacity	Vertical	Horizontal	Stabilizer	Stock	Upgraded	Full	Expert	Aced	Stock	Full	Expert	Aced
Arcade	30	-8°/+45°	±180°	N/A	11.33	15.68	19.04	21.06	22.40	11.05	9.78	9.01	8.50
Realistic					8.33	9.80	11.90	13.16	14.00

Ammunition

Penetration statistics
Ammunition	Type of warhead	Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
		10 m	100 m	500 m	1,000 m	1,500 m	2,000 m
PzGr 39/43	APCBC	237	234	222	207	194	181
PzGr 40/43	APCR	279	273	252	227	205	185
Hl.Gr 39	HEAT	110	110	110	110	110	110
Sprgr.43	HE	14	14	14	14	14	14

Shell details
Ammunition	Type of warhead	Velocity (m/s)	Projectile Mass (kg)	Fuse delay (m)	Fuse sensitivity (mm)	Explosive Mass (TNT equivalent) (g)	Ricochet
							0%	50%	100%
PzGr 39/43	APCBC	1,000	10.16	1.2	14	108.8	48°	63°	71°
PzGr 40/43	APCR	1,130	7.3	N/A	N/A	N/A	66°	70°	72°
Hl.Gr 39	HEAT	600	7.64	0	0.3	1,100	62°	69°	73°
Sprgr.43	HE	820	9.4	0	0.1	1,000	79°	80°	81°

Ammo racks

Ammo racks of the Waffentrager

Full ammo	1st rack empty	2nd rack empty	3rd rack empty	4th rack empty	5th rack empty	Visual discrepancy
30	26 (+4)	21 (+9)	16 (+14)	11 (+19)	1 (+29)	No

Notes:

• Shells are modeled individually and disappear after having been shot or loaded.
• Right side empty: 21 (+9) shells.

Usage in battles

Despite its fully-traversable turret, the Waffenträger is a classic tank destroyer. It has a potent gun, which can defeat almost any heavy tank at this tier, even at long ranges. The shells have great penetration, great explosive filler, and above-average velocity for the tier. The vehicle even has a better-than-average reload speed. (Note: keep in mind that the Waffenträger is not equipped with any machine guns.)

However, this vehicle also has poor mobility. It's just slow (both forwards and reverse), especially when stock and acceleration are poor. The tank struggles on slopes and is completely unsuited for close-up brawling. Another downside to this vehicle is its poor armour setup. Although the armour protection can defend against machine-gun fire, any cannon shell will penetrate with ease. High explosive shells may also overpressure the vehicle. And finally, the open-top turret compartment is vulnerable to aircraft and artillery fire. Therefore, it may be necessary to work with SPAA teammates and find cover under trees or behind buildings.

In addition to the poor mobility, the Waffenträger suffers a lack of gun depression when the cannon is pivoted above the radio operator's or driver's hatch, so careful hull placement is required when engaging targets below your slope level. The Waffenträger also suffers a reduced reload rate due to its cramped turret, making the act of reloading the breech with the large shells difficult and awkward.

Given the vehicle's advantages and disadvantages, a good way to play this vehicle is often in a sniping play-style. Staying hidden, keeping distance, and only exposing the vehicle to shoot capitalizes on the strength of the vehicle's gun while minimizing the effects of its weak armour. Additionally, it is effortless to hide this vehicle behind cover in a hull-down position since it has a low profile and good gun depression.

Alternatively, it may also be beneficial to employ a more ambush-based playstyle with this vehicle. But since this requires more close-up engagements, be careful to avoid lengthy brawls, where the Waffenträger's poor armour and mobility will hinder it greatly. Positioning is still critical. Finally, it may be sometimes possible to engage the enemy while orienting the vehicle sideways or backwards. This protects the engine and transmission from enemy fire and prevents the protruding frontal optics ports from interfering with gun traverse and depression.

Pros and cons

Pros:

• 88 mm PaK 43 gun power can destroy any vehicle it meets
• Full rotating turret with the powerful gun
• Decent -8° gun depression for hull-down positions
• Low profile construction makes the vehicle easily conceal
• Suspension and tracks cover a good portion of the lower side hull for protection
• All AP and APHE shells over-pierce the tank without dealing much damage due to the fragile armour

Cons:

• Open-top turret crew vulnerable to shrapnel, machine guns, airstrikes, artillery, and such
• Gun recoil can jump the vehicle dramatically, throwing off the aim and bouncing the vehicle position
• Thin overall armour of between 10-20 mm
• 5 mm roof armour means an aerial attack is deadly
• 5 mm belly armour makes any HE shots able to penetrate through the bottom
• Front-mounted engine and transmission means both can be knocked out with a front shot, immobilizing the vehicle
• Poor acceleration
• Hatches on the front of the tank can disrupt the aim

History

Development

In as early as 1942, the German Wehrmacht was looking for a way to make large anti-tank guns easier to deploy and transport and fire the gun and fight on the front lines. Four major German companies (Krupp, Rheinmetall, Borsig, and Ardelt) took part in a tender of the Waffenamt (German Army Weapons Agency) in 1943 for the project. Then, in April 1944, the four companies presented their prototypes. With Krupp and Steyr working together on a design, and Rheinmetall and Borsig on their own. Both designs envisaged placing the 8.8 cm PaK 43 L / 71 in a lightly armoured, upwardly open, rotatable tower mounted on a hull of a Raupenschlepper Ost (a tracked artillery mover) to keep costs down and reduce complexity. However, the decision was made for the prototype of the last company, Ardelt, therefore making the Krupp-Steyr design unwanted by the Waffenamt.

Combat usage

Due to the design losing the tender, the tank never saw mass production or combat service. Only one wooden model and one prototype were manufactured on September 2, 1944.

Media

Skins

• Skins and camouflages for the Waffentrager from live.warthunder.com.

Videos

The Shooting Range #74 - Metal Beasts section at 00:36 discusses the Waffenträger.

See also

Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:

• reference to the series of the vehicles;
• links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

External links

• [Devblog] Krupp-Steyr Waffenträger - A Deadly Surprise