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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
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[[File:SU-57B Intro.jpg|alt=SU-57B|left|thumb|SU-57B]]
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Soviet tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.83 "Masters of the Sea"]].
  
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The SU-57B is a BR 3.3 (AB/RB) tank destroyer armed with a 57mm SIS-4 main gun. It features a low profile, good speed (40 km/h) and great ammo penetration for its tier, but a very weak armour on all angles.
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This tank destroyer uses a 57 mm ZIS-4 for its main gun. It features a low profile, good top speed (40 km/h in RB) and great penetration for its rank, but weak armour at all angles.
  
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It is the first Tank destroyer (TD) available at Tier 3.
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The overall design of the SU-57B allows for sneaky attacks, revolving around the 57 mm ZiS-4 gun that allows for engagement from medium range on unsuspecting enemies. Because of its low profile, this TD can use bushes and terrain to hide its approach. However, the trade-off is lacklustre mobility, so it compares with the ZiS-30 that provides better mobility and speed and can reposition much faster. Despite all these limitations, when played right the SU-57B can score good scores, but only when properly positioned and not detected.
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=== History ===
 
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October 29 1943, the MVTU USSR design office proposed the design of a tank hunter of the class of the 11 tons,propelled by a diesel GMC-71 engine and armed of the 76 mm S-1 or the 57 mm S-1-57 but no instruction concerning its production was not given. To the same moment GAZ continued its work on the hunters of tanks and proposed a GAZ-74b equipped with the 57 mm gun with long barrel, as well as an improved vehicle armed with a 76 mm gun. The model with canon of 57 mm factory GAZ was renamed SU-57b while the one of the factory n°38 was renamed SU-57a to avoid the confusions. The SU-57b passed all the tests with successes but finally was not accepted for the service because of its price and obligation to produce a new diesel engine. The design office of NATI proposed equally its own model of tank hunter armed of the gun of 57 mm strong similar to the GAZ-74, that as it was not accepted for the service.
 
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''Credits:'' [http://www.wardrawings.be/WW2/Files/1-Vehicles/Allies/2-USSR/05-TankDestroyers/RussianHetzer/File/Russian-Hetzer.htm]
 
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=== Combat usage ===
 
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The SU-57B is purely a tank hunter. With its 57mm ZIS-4 gun, and at a BR of 3,3 it can easily pierce almost any opponent in game.Because of its weak armour it was not capable of engaging too close and had to stay at a medium to long range.
 
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Its APHEBC initial ammunition is effective at piercing enemy armour, but the nest ammo modification is even better with the APHE round (BR-271K).
 
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It also features a HE round that can be unlocked later, but it is preferable to stick with BR-271 or BR-217K rounds as they offer up to 142 mm of penetration which is excellent for its use and BR.
 
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The SU-57B is best played as a sniper, preferably taking advantage of its very low profile (still not as good as the ASU-57 but almost). It excels at shooting from high vantage points or from the sides but must be repositioned after each shot to avoind retaliation fire.
 
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With only 25mm frontal armour at best and 16mm on the side and virtually none on the rear, a single shot would be fatal and leave the crew disabled at best.
 
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It is even susceptible to Heavy MG fire from the sides and rear
 
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=== Key features ===
 
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With 72 ammo rounds, the SU-57B has much more ammo than the ZIS-30, allowing it to shoot freely without restriction. However the 6,5 seconds initial reload time can be quite long when facing an opponent à close range.It is adivzed to enhance this reloading time to be more efficient as soon as possible.
 
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Fortunately thanks to its great speed (43 km/h maximum) it can flee quite easily.
 
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It's pretty good reload speed (6,5 seconds) allows this tank to shoot with efficiency.
 
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=== SU-57B in game ===
 
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The SU-57B as said earlier is best played as a sniper mode. It is preferable to shoot and reposition immediately after, and it has a simiar playstyle as the ZIS-30 but with less manoeuvrability and more armour.Whule the crew of the ZIS-30 has no protection whatsoever from AA fire and artillery, the SU-57B has some amount of top protection and its crew is inside.However you won't last long is targeted by Medium or Heavy tanks or TD's and it is better to be hidden or under cover.
 
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The SU-57B is sluggish at backwards speed and you will have a hard time countering an opponent behind you. Your best bet is to flee when spotted.
 
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The SU-57B is best played as a sniper support role. Let the main tanks go forward and stay behind them. Pick a good location, preferably high so you can sport enemies from further away, and wait for your prey.
 
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
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Armour is weak. 25mm frontal armour with 16mm on the sides and rear. Any tank of its BR it will face will be able to penetrate. Even Heavy MG fire is dangerous.
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The SU-57B has the best armour on the front, weaker armour on the sides and on the rear. Regarding the crew protection, because of the number of crew members (4), the loss of 1 or 2 crew members is acceptable. But due to the thin armour, the SU-57B can take one or two shots maximum before being put out of order. It is much better protected than the ZiS-30 and can sustain MG fire.
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It is useless to angle the tank, since it can be penetrated at any angle.
 
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The armour of the SU-57B only offers protection against AA fire and artillery shells and light MG and from ligh armoured cars.
 
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There are 4 crew members and because of the small profile of this tank, any penetration by an enemy round means that most of the crew will be killed or disabled.
 
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Ammo racks are placed on each side, therefore any side shot will result almost certainly as an explosions. The engine is at the rear.
 
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It is better to face the opponent from the front, as it is where the armour is the thickest (25mm).
 
  
 
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=== Mobility ===
 
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The {{PAGENAME}} is sluggish at backwards speed and will have a hard time countering an opponent attempting a flanking manoeuvre. The best bet is to retreat and relocate when spotted. Fortunately, thanks to its great forward speed (43 km/h maximum), the {{PAGENAME}} can still move quite easily.
  
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Gun traverse speed is quite slow, so don't expect to be able to shoot a fast moving target if you missed it. Rather, move the tank , which is faster than moving the barrel.
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=== Modifications and economy ===
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The only positive point is its stopping power. It can stop from 43 km/h to 0 is just under 3 seconds. Apart from that, the SU-57B is very average in terms of mobility, and the ZIS-30 much more mobile.
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== Armaments ==
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=== Main armament ===
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{{main|ZIS-4 (57 mm)}}
  
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The main gun is ridiculously powerful for its hull. It features a ZIS-4 57 mm that has a penetration rate similar to the ZiS-30 main gun. The position of the main gun is quite low and enemies will have a hard time detecting the silhouette of the tank. However, because of its long barrel, one must be careful not to stand out from cover or from the sides.
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The recoil of the gun can be important and must be taken care of, as well as the dispersion effect. The relatively fast reloading rate of 5.6 seconds allows for a comfortable targeting and efficiency. Though, with the SU-57B able to hold a total of 72 rounds of ammunition, the SU-57B can shoot more freely without worry. However, keep in mind the 5.6 second initial reload time can feel quite long when facing an opponent at close range where some tanks can fire almost twice before you can shoot again
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==== Ammunition ====
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==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
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== Usage in battles ==
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The SU-57B is a lightly armoured tank destroyer, armed with a deadly 57 mm ZiS-4 anti-tank gun that is not a threat to take lightly for most enemy vehicles at its BR, though being a lightly armoured vehicle it can prove to be a very difficult vehicle to master at first. But even with its light armour it got a useful acceleration and top speed makes it a opponent to be wary against. A well placed or hidden SU-57B can with ease prove to be a great obstacle for the enemy armoured units.
  
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=== Additional armament ===
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A key element to the SU-57B being used successfully is distance to enemy targets and element of surprise, the ZiS-4 is a gun that can attack most vehicles at any distance on the field, with a powerful and fast firing 57 mm long barrel it can ambush from distance as from close range. Why distance is a key for the Su-57B is its lack of armour, being 25 mm frontally thick but at an angle that gives it an effective armour of 32 mm makes it an easy target for most vehicles it will face. At a distance it has a higher possibility to survive a hit and maintain a distance to enemy 12.7 mm machine guns, but the armor still should not be relied on at all.
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Ground units are one of the SU-57B's least worries, enemy air units can easily target the SU-57B from above, having a light top armour makes most machine gun fire and cannon fire from planes a lethal threat. Lacking a anti-air machine gun on it, makes it hard for it to defend itself against air units. Hiding in forests or bushes are a way for it to defend itself form aircrafts.  Protection against air can also be near allied SPAA vehicles.
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Enemies to be aware of are mostly light tanks that can easily flank it such as the [[Sd.Kfz.234/2]] and [[M5A1]]. SPAA like the [[M15 CGMC]] or [[Wirbelwind]] will have an easy time destroying the light armour. But most important of all is that it's extremely vulnerable to any air attack against it, you can with ease prevent ground units to get into a effective range, Air units can attack from anywhere and easily make scrap metal out of the SU-57B
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=== Pros and cons ===
 
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* Decent top forward speed
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* Excellent 57 mm ZIS-4 gun which provides the necessary firepower to deal with almost all ground vehicles at its battle rating
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* Very low profile ideal for sneak attacks and sniper attacks, similar to ASU-57
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* Relatively fast reload speed for a tank destroyer at 5.6 seconds stock and 4.3 seconds aced
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* Low visibility percentage at 69% compared to most TDs at the battle rating (~88%)
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* 38 degree frontal armor slope can somewhat hold off autocannon fire at range
  
 
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* Sluggish acceleration
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* Poor turning ability, don't expect to be able to pivot quickly
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* Weak armour susceptible to any type of damage, even heavy MGs can take it out with ease
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* Crammed crew space will nearly guarantee atleast 2 crew members being knocked out from a single penetrating shot
  
 
== History ==
 
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In 1943 the MVTU USSR design bureau proposed an 11 ton tank hunter prototype with two main gun variants:
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# The 57 mm S-1-57 main gun
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Both would be propelled with a diesel GMC-71 engine.
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At the same moment, the GAZ design bureau was working on 2 designs. One named "GAZ-74b" which is the SU-57B with a long barrel, and an improved version with a 76 mm gun. The Su-57a was to be the tank hunter with the 76mm main gun. The Su-57B was not accepted for service because it was too costly pro produce and because of its newer diesel engine.
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{{Youtube-gallery|BzpVk-wmM0w|'''SU-57B, Soviet, Tier-3, Tank Destroyer''' - ''Angry Nerd Gaming''}}
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* ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
 
* ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
 
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* [http://www.wardrawings.be/WW2/Files/1-Vehicles/Allies/2-USSR/05-TankDestroyers/RussianHetzer/File/Russian-Hetzer.htm [War Drawings<nowiki>]</nowiki> Russian Hetzer Tank Destroyer]
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{{USSR tank destroyers}}
 
{{USSR tank destroyers}}

Latest revision as of 06:38, 16 June 2024

Rank 7 USA
F-5C Pack
SU-57B
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Description

The SU-57B is a rank II Soviet tank destroyer with a battle rating of 2.7 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update 1.83 "Masters of the Sea".

This tank destroyer uses a 57 mm ZIS-4 for its main gun. It features a low profile, good top speed (40 km/h in RB) and great penetration for its rank, but weak armour at all angles.

The overall design of the SU-57B allows for sneaky attacks, revolving around the 57 mm ZiS-4 gun that allows for engagement from medium range on unsuspecting enemies. Because of its low profile, this TD can use bushes and terrain to hide its approach. However, the trade-off is lacklustre mobility, so it compares with the ZiS-30 that provides better mobility and speed and can reposition much faster. Despite all these limitations, when played right the SU-57B can score good scores, but only when properly positioned and not detected.

General info

Survivability and armour

Armourfront / side / back
Hull25 / 16 / 16
Turret25 / 16 / 16
Crew4 people
Visibility70 %

The SU-57B has the best armour on the front, weaker armour on the sides and on the rear. Regarding the crew protection, because of the number of crew members (4), the loss of 1 or 2 crew members is acceptable. But due to the thin armour, the SU-57B can take one or two shots maximum before being put out of order. It is much better protected than the ZiS-30 and can sustain MG fire.

Armour type:

  • Rolled homogeneous armour
Armour Front (Slope angle) Sides Rear Roof
Hull 25 mm (38°) Front glacis
25 mm (24°) Lower glacis
25 mm (0-90°) Gun mantlet
25 mm (37°) Cheeks 		16 mm (0-32°) 16 mm (40°) Top
10 mm (45°) Bottom 		10 mm (72-85°)
5 mm (72°) Grille
  • Belly armour is 6 mm thick.
  • Suspension wheels are 10 mm thick while tracks are 15 mm thick.

Mobility

Speedforward / back
AB44 / 6 km/h
RB and SB40 / 6 km/h
Number of gears4 forward
1 back
Weight9.5 t
Engine power
AB198 hp
RB and SB104 hp
Power-to-weight ratio
AB20.8 hp/t
RB and SB10.9 hp/t
Game Mode Max Speed (km/h) Weight (tons) Engine power (horsepower) Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Forward Reverse Stock Upgraded Stock Upgraded
Arcade 44 6 9.5 148 198 15.58 20.84
Realistic 40 6 92 104 9.68 10.95

The SU-57B is sluggish at backwards speed and will have a hard time countering an opponent attempting a flanking manoeuvre. The best bet is to retreat and relocate when spotted. Fortunately, thanks to its great forward speed (43 km/h maximum), the SU-57B can still move quite easily.

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference
AB622 → 769 Sl icon.png
RB692 → 856 Sl icon.png
SB808 → 999 Sl icon.png
Total cost of modifications8 480 Rp icon.png
9 610 Sl icon.png
Talisman cost640 Ge icon.png
Crew training4 500 Sl icon.png
Experts16 000 Sl icon.png
Aces160 Ge icon.png
Research Aces190 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
40 / 60 / 70 % Sl icon.png
118 / 118 / 118 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Mobility Protection Firepower
Mods new tank traks.png
Tracks
Research:
560 Rp icon.png
Cost:
630 Sl icon.png
80 Ge icon.png
Mods new tank suspension.png
Suspension
Research:
380 Rp icon.png
Cost:
430 Sl icon.png
55 Ge icon.png
Mods new tank break.png
Brake System
Research:
380 Rp icon.png
Cost:
430 Sl icon.png
55 Ge icon.png
Mods new tank filter.png
Filters
Research:
700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
790 Sl icon.png
100 Ge icon.png
Mods new tank transmission.png
Transmission
Research:
1 400 Rp icon.png
Cost:
1 600 Sl icon.png
200 Ge icon.png
Mods new tank engine.png
Engine
Research:
1 400 Rp icon.png
Cost:
1 600 Sl icon.png
200 Ge icon.png
Mods tank tool kit.png
Improved Parts
Research:
560 Rp icon.png
Cost:
630 Sl icon.png
80 Ge icon.png
Mods extinguisher.png
Improved FPE
Research:
380 Rp icon.png
Cost:
430 Sl icon.png
55 Ge icon.png
Mods tank reinforcement ussr.png
Crew Replenishment
Research:
700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
790 Sl icon.png
100 Ge icon.png
Mods new tank horizontal aiming.png
Horizontal Drive
Research:
560 Rp icon.png
Cost:
630 Sl icon.png
80 Ge icon.png
Mods tank cannon.png
Adjustment of Fire
Research:
380 Rp icon.png
Cost:
430 Sl icon.png
55 Ge icon.png
Mods tank ammo.png
57mm_AP_ammo_pack
Research:
380 Rp icon.png
Cost:
430 Sl icon.png
55 Ge icon.png
Mods new tank vertical aiming.png
Elevation Mechanism
Research:
700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
790 Sl icon.png
100 Ge icon.png

Armaments

Main armament

57 mm ZIS-4 cannon
Ammunition72 rounds
Reloadbasic crew → aces
5.6 → 4.3 s
Vertical guidance-5° / 14°
Horizontal guidance-18° / 18°
Main article: ZIS-4 (57 mm)

The main gun is ridiculously powerful for its hull. It features a ZIS-4 57 mm that has a penetration rate similar to the ZiS-30 main gun. The position of the main gun is quite low and enemies will have a hard time detecting the silhouette of the tank. However, because of its long barrel, one must be careful not to stand out from cover or from the sides.

The recoil of the gun can be important and must be taken care of, as well as the dispersion effect. The relatively fast reloading rate of 5.6 seconds allows for a comfortable targeting and efficiency. Though, with the SU-57B able to hold a total of 72 rounds of ammunition, the SU-57B can shoot more freely without worry. However, keep in mind the 5.6 second initial reload time can feel quite long when facing an opponent at close range where some tanks can fire almost twice before you can shoot again

57 mm ZIS-4 Turret rotation speed (°/s) Reloading rate (seconds)
Mode Capacity Vertical Horizontal Stabilizer Stock Upgraded Full Expert Aced Stock Full Expert Aced
Arcade 72 -5°/+14° ±18° N/A 6.2 8.5 10.4 11.5 12.2 5.59 4.95 4.56 4.30
Realistic 4.2 4.9 6.0 6.6 7.0

Ammunition

Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
BR-271 APHEBC 145 142 128 112 98 86
BR-271K APHE 145 140 118 95 77 63
O-271 HE 12 12 10 8 6 5
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Velocity
(m/s) 		Projectile
mass (kg) 		Fuse delay
(m) 		Fuse sensitivity
(mm) 		Explosive mass
(TNT equivalent) (g) 		Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
BR-271 APHEBC 990 3.14 1.2 9 21.56 48° 63° 71°
BR-271K APHE 990 3.14 1.2 9 27.72 47° 60° 65°
O-271 HE 700 3.72 0.4 0.1 220 79° 80° 81°

Ammo racks

Ammo racks of the SU-57B
Full
ammo 		1st
rack empty 		2nd
rack empty 		3rd
rack empty 		4th
rack empty 		5th
rack empty 		6th
rack empty 		Visual
discrepancy
72 61 (+11) 49 (+23) 37 (+35) 25 (+47) 13 (+59) 1 (+71) No

Usage in battles

The SU-57B is a lightly armoured tank destroyer, armed with a deadly 57 mm ZiS-4 anti-tank gun that is not a threat to take lightly for most enemy vehicles at its BR, though being a lightly armoured vehicle it can prove to be a very difficult vehicle to master at first. But even with its light armour it got a useful acceleration and top speed makes it a opponent to be wary against. A well placed or hidden SU-57B can with ease prove to be a great obstacle for the enemy armoured units.

A key element to the SU-57B being used successfully is distance to enemy targets and element of surprise, the ZiS-4 is a gun that can attack most vehicles at any distance on the field, with a powerful and fast firing 57 mm long barrel it can ambush from distance as from close range. Why distance is a key for the Su-57B is its lack of armour, being 25 mm frontally thick but at an angle that gives it an effective armour of 32 mm makes it an easy target for most vehicles it will face. At a distance it has a higher possibility to survive a hit and maintain a distance to enemy 12.7 mm machine guns, but the armor still should not be relied on at all.

Ground units are one of the SU-57B's least worries, enemy air units can easily target the SU-57B from above, having a light top armour makes most machine gun fire and cannon fire from planes a lethal threat. Lacking a anti-air machine gun on it, makes it hard for it to defend itself against air units. Hiding in forests or bushes are a way for it to defend itself form aircrafts. Protection against air can also be near allied SPAA vehicles.

Enemies to be aware of are mostly light tanks that can easily flank it such as the Sd.Kfz.234/2 and M5A1. SPAA like the M15 CGMC or Wirbelwind will have an easy time destroying the light armour. But most important of all is that it's extremely vulnerable to any air attack against it, you can with ease prevent ground units to get into a effective range, Air units can attack from anywhere and easily make scrap metal out of the SU-57B

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Decent top forward speed
  • Excellent 57 mm ZIS-4 gun which provides the necessary firepower to deal with almost all ground vehicles at its battle rating
  • Very low profile ideal for sneak attacks and sniper attacks, similar to ASU-57
  • Relatively fast reload speed for a tank destroyer at 5.6 seconds stock and 4.3 seconds aced
  • Low visibility percentage at 69% compared to most TDs at the battle rating (~88%)
  • 38 degree frontal armor slope can somewhat hold off autocannon fire at range

Cons:

  • Sluggish acceleration
  • Very weak rear speed
  • Poor turning ability, don't expect to be able to pivot quickly
  • Weak armour susceptible to any type of damage, even heavy MGs can take it out with ease
  • Crammed crew space will nearly guarantee atleast 2 crew members being knocked out from a single penetrating shot

History

In 1943 the MVTU USSR design bureau proposed an 11 ton tank hunter prototype with two main gun variants:

  1. The 75 mm S-1 main gun
  2. The 57 mm S-1-57 main gun

Both would be propelled with a diesel GMC-71 engine.

At the same moment, the GAZ design bureau was working on 2 designs. One named "GAZ-74b" which is the SU-57B with a long barrel, and an improved version with a 76 mm gun. The Su-57a was to be the tank hunter with the 76mm main gun. The Su-57B was not accepted for service because it was too costly pro produce and because of its newer diesel engine.

Later the GAZ-74d (SU-76d) would come out with a 76 mm S-1 main gun and a frontal armour of 60 mm. It will also be known later as "SU-80".

Media

Skins
Images
  • SU-57B driving around Stalingrad
Videos
SU-57B, Soviet, Tier-3, Tank Destroyer - Angry Nerd Gaming

See also

Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:

  • reference to the series of the vehicles;
  • links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

External links


USSR tank destroyers
SU-76M  SU-76M · SU-76M (5th Gv.Kav.Corps) · SU-85A
SU-57B  SU-57B · SU-76D
T-34 Derivatives  SU-122 · SU-85 · SU-85M · SU-100 · SU-122P
Heavy Tank Derivatives  SU-100Y · ISU-122 · ISU-122S · SU-152 · ISU-152 · Object 268
SU-100P and Derivatives  SU-100P · Object 120
Wheeled  YaG-10 (29-K)
Airborne  ASU-57 · ASU-85
Rocket  BM-8-24 · BM-13N · BM-31-12
ATGM  IT-1 · Shturm-S · Object 775 · Khrizantema-S
Artillery  2S1 · 2S3M
Other  SU-5-1 · ZiS-30 · SU-122-54
USA  SU-57

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