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== Description == | == Description == | ||
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| − | The '''{{ | + | The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Russian tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.83 "Masters of the Sea"]]. |
| − | This tank destroyer uses a 57 mm ZIS-4 for its main gun. It features a low profile, good top speed (40 km/h in RB) and great penetration for its | + | This tank destroyer uses a 57 mm ZIS-4 for its main gun. It features a low profile, good top speed (40 km/h in RB) and great penetration for its rank, but weak armour on all angles. It is the first rank destroyer available at rank III for the Soviets available. |
| − | The overall design of the SU-57B allows for sneaky attacks, | + | The overall design of the SU-57B allows for sneaky attacks, revolving around the 57 mm ZiS-4 gun that allows for engagement from medium range on unsuspecting enemies. Because of its low profile, this TD can use bushes and terrain to hide its approach. However, the trade-off is lackluster mobility, so it compares with the ZiS-30 that provides better mobility and speed and can reposition much faster. Despite all these limitations, when played right the SU-57B can score good scores, but only when properly positioned and not detected. |
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== General info == | == General info == | ||
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| − | The SU-57B has the best armour on the front (25mm), weaker armour on the sides (16mm) and weak on the rear (16mm). | + | The SU-57B has the best armour on the front (25mm), weaker armour on the sides (16mm) and weak on the rear (16mm). Regarding the crew protection, because of the number of crew members (4), the loss of 1 or 2 crew members is acceptable. But due to the thin armour (25mm front, 16mm sides and rear), the SU-57B can take one or two shots maximum before being put out of order. It is much better protected than the ZiS-30 and can sustain MG fire. |
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'''Armour type:''' | '''Armour type:''' | ||
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* Rolled homogeneous armour | * Rolled homogeneous armour | ||
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| − | !Armour | + | ! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof |
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| − | |Hull | + | | Hull || 25 mm (38°) ''Front glacis''<br> 25 mm (24°) ''Lower glacis'' <br> 25 mm (0-90°) ''Gun mantlet'' <br> 25 mm (37°) ''Cheeks'' || 16 mm (0-32°) || 16 mm (40°) ''Top'' <br> 10 mm (45°) ''Bottom'' || 10 mm (72-85°)<br> 5 mm (72°) ''Grille'' |
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| + | * Belly armour is 6 mm thick. | ||
| + | * Suspension wheels are 10 mm thick while tracks are 15 mm thick. | ||
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| + | <gallery mode="packed-hover" heights="100px"> | ||
| + | SU-57B Armour Analysis.jpg|Su-57B Armour Analysis | ||
| + | Su-57B% 20Armour% 20Front.jpg|Su-57B% 20Armour% 20Front | ||
| + | Su-57B% 20Armour% 20Side.jpg|Su-57B% 20Armour% 20Side | ||
| + | Su-57B% 20Armour% 20Rear.jpg| | ||
| + | Su-57B% 20Armour% 20Top.jpg| | ||
| + | Su-57B% 20Crew% 20Analysis.jpg| | ||
| + | </gallery> | ||
=== Mobility === | === Mobility === | ||
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| − | The SU-57B is sluggish at backwards speed and | + | The SU-57B is sluggish at backwards speed and will have a hard time countering an opponent attempting to flank the SU-57B. The best bet is to flee when spotted. Fortunately, thanks to its great forward speed (43 km/h maximum), the SU-57B can still move quite easily. |
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== Armaments == | == Armaments == | ||
=== Main armament === | === Main armament === | ||
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| − | It | + | The main gun is ridiculously powerful for its hull. It features a ZIS-4 57mm that has a penetration rate similar to the ZiS-30 main gun. The position of the main gun is quite low and enemies will have a hard time detecting the silhouette of the tank. However, because of its long barrel, one must be careful not to stand out from cover or from the sides. |
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| + | The recoil of the gun can be important and must be taken care of, as well as the dispersion effect. The relatively fast reloading rate of 6.5 seconds allows for a comfortable targeting and efficiency. Though, with the SU-57B able to hold a total of 72 rounds of ammunition, the SU-57B can shoot more freely without worry. However, keep in mind the 6.5 seconds initial reload time can be quite long when facing an opponent at close range. | ||
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== Usage in battles == | == Usage in battles == | ||
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| − | The SU-57B is purely a tank hunter. With its 57mm ZIS-4 gun, and at a BR of 3, | + | The SU-57B is purely a tank hunter. With its 57mm ZIS-4 gun, and at a BR of 3.3, it can easily pierce almost any opponent in the game. Because of its weak armour, it is not capable of engaging too close and had to stay at a medium to long range. |
| − | Its APHEBC initial ammunition is effective at piercing enemy armour, but the | + | Its APHEBC initial ammunition is effective at piercing enemy armour, but the next ammo modification is even better with the APHE round (BR-271K). |
It also features a HE round that can be unlocked later, but it is preferable to stick with BR-271 or BR-217K rounds as they offer up to 142 mm of penetration which is excellent for its use and BR. | It also features a HE round that can be unlocked later, but it is preferable to stick with BR-271 or BR-217K rounds as they offer up to 142 mm of penetration which is excellent for its use and BR. | ||
| − | + | While in a tank hunter role, the SU-57B should take up a fighting style akin to a sniper, taking advantage of its very low profile (still not as good as the ASU-57, but almost). It excels at shooting from high vantage points or from the sides, but must be repositioned after each shot to avoid return fire. | |
| − | With only 25 mm frontal armour at best and 16mm on the side and virtually none on the rear, a single shot would be fatal and leave the crew disabled at best. It is even susceptible to | + | With only 25 mm frontal armour at best and 16mm on the side and virtually none on the rear, a single shot would be fatal and leave the crew disabled at best. It is even susceptible to heavy MG fire from the sides and rear. |
=== Pros and cons === | === Pros and cons === | ||
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* Very low profile ideal for sneak attacks and sniper attacks, similar to ASU-57 | * Very low profile ideal for sneak attacks and sniper attacks, similar to ASU-57 | ||
* Good reload time (6.5 seconds) | * Good reload time (6.5 seconds) | ||
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'''Cons:''' | '''Cons:''' | ||
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* Sluggish acceleration | * Sluggish acceleration | ||
* Very weak rear speed | * Very weak rear speed | ||
| − | * Poor side mobility | + | * Poor side mobility, don't expect to be able to turn around quickly |
* Weak armour (25/16/16) and susceptible to rear and side shots or even Heavy MG | * Weak armour (25/16/16) and susceptible to rear and side shots or even Heavy MG | ||
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In 1943 the MVTU USSR design bureau proposed an 11 ton tank hunter prototype with two main gun variants: | In 1943 the MVTU USSR design bureau proposed an 11 ton tank hunter prototype with two main gun variants: | ||
| − | + | # The 75mm S-1 main gun | |
| − | + | # The 57 mm S-1-57 main gun | |
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Both would be propelled with a diesel GMC-71 engine. | Both would be propelled with a diesel GMC-71 engine. | ||
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== Media == | == Media == | ||
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| + | [[File:SU-57B Intro.jpg|alt=SU-57B|none|thumb|SU-57B driving around Stalingrad]] | ||
| − | + | {{Youtube-gallery|OMYBfO-32LM|Napalmratte: ''SU-57B - A Bad Tank w/ a Great Gun''}} | |
== See also == | == See also == | ||
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* ''encyclopedia page on the tank;'' | * ''encyclopedia page on the tank;'' | ||
* ''other literature.''--> | * ''other literature.''--> | ||
| − | + | * [http://www.wardrawings.be/WW2/Files/1-Vehicles/Allies/2-USSR/05-TankDestroyers/RussianHetzer/File/Russian-Hetzer.htm [War Drawings<nowiki>]</nowiki> Russian Hetzer Tank Destroyer] | |
| − | + | * [http://english.battlefield.ru/tanks/14-experimental/63-russian-hetzer.html [Battlefield<nowiki>.ru]</nowiki> Russian 'Hetzer'] | |
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Revision as of 06:11, 1 May 2019
Contents
Description
The SU-57B is a rank II Russian tank destroyer with a battle rating of 2.7 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update 1.83 "Masters of the Sea".
This tank destroyer uses a 57 mm ZIS-4 for its main gun. It features a low profile, good top speed (40 km/h in RB) and great penetration for its rank, but weak armour on all angles. It is the first rank destroyer available at rank III for the Soviets available.
The overall design of the SU-57B allows for sneaky attacks, revolving around the 57 mm ZiS-4 gun that allows for engagement from medium range on unsuspecting enemies. Because of its low profile, this TD can use bushes and terrain to hide its approach. However, the trade-off is lackluster mobility, so it compares with the ZiS-30 that provides better mobility and speed and can reposition much faster. Despite all these limitations, when played right the SU-57B can score good scores, but only when properly positioned and not detected.
General info
Survivability and armour
The SU-57B has the best armour on the front (25mm), weaker armour on the sides (16mm) and weak on the rear (16mm). Regarding the crew protection, because of the number of crew members (4), the loss of 1 or 2 crew members is acceptable. But due to the thin armour (25mm front, 16mm sides and rear), the SU-57B can take one or two shots maximum before being put out of order. It is much better protected than the ZiS-30 and can sustain MG fire.
Armour type:
- Rolled homogeneous armour
| Armour | Front (Slope angle) | Sides | Rear | Roof |
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| Hull | 25 mm (38°) Front glacis 25 mm (24°) Lower glacis 25 mm (0-90°) Gun mantlet 25 mm (37°) Cheeks |
16 mm (0-32°) | 16 mm (40°) Top 10 mm (45°) Bottom |
10 mm (72-85°) 5 mm (72°) Grille |
- Belly armour is 6 mm thick.
- Suspension wheels are 10 mm thick while tracks are 15 mm thick.
Su-57B Armour Analysis
Su-57B% 20Armour% 20Front
Su-57B% 20Armour% 20Side
Mobility
The SU-57B is sluggish at backwards speed and will have a hard time countering an opponent attempting to flank the SU-57B. The best bet is to flee when spotted. Fortunately, thanks to its great forward speed (43 km/h maximum), the SU-57B can still move quite easily.
| Mobility characteristic | ||
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| Weight (tons) | Add-on Armour weight (tons) |
Max speed (km/h) |
| 9.5 | N/A | 43 (AB) |
| 40 (RB/SB) | ||
| Engine power (horsepower) | ||
| Mode | Stock | Upgraded |
| Arcade | 148 | 164.4 |
| Realistic/Simulator | 92 | 98 |
| Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton) | ||
| Mode | Stock | Upgraded |
| Arcade | ||
| Realistic/Simulator | ||
Armaments
Main armament
The main gun is ridiculously powerful for its hull. It features a ZIS-4 57mm that has a penetration rate similar to the ZiS-30 main gun. The position of the main gun is quite low and enemies will have a hard time detecting the silhouette of the tank. However, because of its long barrel, one must be careful not to stand out from cover or from the sides.
The recoil of the gun can be important and must be taken care of, as well as the dispersion effect. The relatively fast reloading rate of 6.5 seconds allows for a comfortable targeting and efficiency. Though, with the SU-57B able to hold a total of 72 rounds of ammunition, the SU-57B can shoot more freely without worry. However, keep in mind the 6.5 seconds initial reload time can be quite long when facing an opponent at close range.
| 57 mm ZiS-4 | |||||
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| Capacity | Vertical guidance |
Horizontal guidance |
Stabilizer | ||
| 72 | -5°/+14° | ±30° | N/A | ||
| Turret rotation speed (°/s) | |||||
| Mode | Stock | Upgraded | Prior + Full crew | Prior + Expert qualif. | Prior + Ace qualif. |
| Arcade | 4.2 | __.__ | __.__ | __.__ | |
| Realistic | 4.2 | 4.95 | __.__ | __.__ | __.__ |
| Reloading rate (seconds) | |||||
| Stock | Prior + Full crew | Prior + Expert qualif. | Prior + Ace qualif. | ||
| 6.50 | |||||
Usage in battles
The SU-57B is purely a tank hunter. With its 57mm ZIS-4 gun, and at a BR of 3.3, it can easily pierce almost any opponent in the game. Because of its weak armour, it is not capable of engaging too close and had to stay at a medium to long range.
Its APHEBC initial ammunition is effective at piercing enemy armour, but the next ammo modification is even better with the APHE round (BR-271K).
It also features a HE round that can be unlocked later, but it is preferable to stick with BR-271 or BR-217K rounds as they offer up to 142 mm of penetration which is excellent for its use and BR.
While in a tank hunter role, the SU-57B should take up a fighting style akin to a sniper, taking advantage of its very low profile (still not as good as the ASU-57, but almost). It excels at shooting from high vantage points or from the sides, but must be repositioned after each shot to avoid return fire.
With only 25 mm frontal armour at best and 16mm on the side and virtually none on the rear, a single shot would be fatal and leave the crew disabled at best. It is even susceptible to heavy MG fire from the sides and rear.
Pros and cons
Pros:
- Great forward speed
- Great 57mm ZIS-4 main gun
- Very low profile ideal for sneak attacks and sniper attacks, similar to ASU-57
- Good reload time (6.5 seconds)
Cons:
- Sluggish acceleration
- Very weak rear speed
- Poor side mobility, don't expect to be able to turn around quickly
- Weak armour (25/16/16) and susceptible to rear and side shots or even Heavy MG
History
In 1943 the MVTU USSR design bureau proposed an 11 ton tank hunter prototype with two main gun variants:
- The 75mm S-1 main gun
- The 57 mm S-1-57 main gun
Both would be propelled with a diesel GMC-71 engine.
At the same moment, the GAZ design bureau was working on 2 designs. One named "GAZ-74b" which is the SU-57B with a long barrel, and an improved version with a 76 mm gun.The Su-57a was to be the tank hunter with the 76mm main gun. The Su-57B was not accepted for service because it was too costly pro produce and because of its newer diesel engine.
Later the GAZ-74d (SU-76d) would come out with a 76mm S-1 main gun and a frontal armor of 60mm. It will also be known later as "SU-80".
Media
Napalmratte: SU-57B - A Bad Tank w/ a Great Gun
See also
Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:
- reference to the series of the vehicles;
- links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.
External links
| USSR tank destroyers | |
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| SU-76M | SU-76M · SU-76M (5th Gv.Kav.Corps) · SU-85A |
| SU-57B | SU-57B · SU-76D |
| T-34 Derivatives | SU-122 · SU-85 · SU-85M · SU-100 · SU-122P |
| Heavy Tank Derivatives | SU-100Y · ISU-122 · ISU-122S · SU-152 · ISU-152 · Object 268 |
| SU-100P and Derivatives | SU-100P · Object 120 |
| Wheeled | YaG-10 (29-K) |
| Airborne | ASU-57 · ASU-85 |
| Rocket | BM-8-24 · BM-13N · BM-31-12 |
| ATGM | IT-1 · Shturm-S · Object 775 · Khrizantema-S |
| Artillery | 2S1 · 2S3M |
| Other | SU-5-1 · ZiS-30 · SU-122-54 |
| USA | SU-57 |
