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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (歼-8B, NATO: Finback 长须鲸) is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Chinese jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Wind of Change"]].
 
The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (歼-8B, NATO: Finback 长须鲸) is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Chinese jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Wind of Change"]].
  
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A revision of previous J-8I series with more powerful engines and redesigned air intakes for better avionics, J-8B finally offers the long-awaited SARH missiles and radar for PLAAF, while somewhat retaining a good top-speed and sufficient maneuverability for such a huge jet.  
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A revision of the previous J-8I series with more powerful engines and redesigned air intakes for better avionics, the J-8B offers the long-awaited SARH missiles and radar for the PLAAF, while somewhat retaining a good top-speed and sufficient manoeuvrability for such a huge jet.
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
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To conclude what a J-8 series look like, "a Fishbed on steroids" would be very fitting since the overall design was literary an enlarged version of J-7 with 2 turbojet engines; the later J-8II series revised the front of the airframe and introduced side intakes for a more streamline design. This size is also a drawback of J-8B since it becomes a way larger target than its in-tech-tree predecessor [[J-7E]].
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To conclude what a J-8 series look like, "a Fishbed on steroids" would be very fitting since the overall design was literally an enlarged version of the J-7 with 2 turbojet engines: the later J-8II series revised the front of the airframe and introduced side intakes for a more streamline design. This size is also a drawback of the J-8B since it becomes a much larger target than its tech-tree predecessor, [[J-7E]].
  
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Thanks to the technological improvement over the decades, J-8B installed 2 AECC Shenyang Liming WP-13A-II turbojet engines, improving the overall speed and climb rate over J-8I ''(J-8II was still the fastest, highest climb rate jet in PLAAF service until the introduction of Su-27SK/J-11 Flanker-B/L)'', the use of composite material also reduced its weight while retaining good maneuverability for such a large interceptor, thanks to its reworked elevators. But just like any delta wing jets, any high AoA maneuvers would be at the cost of severe bleeding on speed; although the twin engines do migrate some of the problem, it is still advised to fly J-8B as an interceptor instead of fighters, hit-and-run or high altitude operations is where it shines.
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Thanks to technological improvements over the decades, the J-8B equips two AECC Shenyang Liming WP-13A-II turbojet engines, improving the overall speed and climb rate over the J-8I (the J-8II was the fastest, highest climb rate jet in the PLAAF service until the introduction of Su-27SK/J-11 Flanker-B/L). The use of composite material also reduced its weight, while it retained its good manoeuvrability for such a large interceptor thanks to reworked elevators. However, just like any delta wing jets, any high AoA manoeuvres would be at the cost of severe speed bleeding; although the twin engines do mitigate some of the problem, it is still advised to fly the J-8B as an interceptor instead of a turn-fighter, hit-and-run or high altitude operations is where it shines.
  
 
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! rowspan="2" | Max altitude<br>(metres)
 
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! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
 
! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
 
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! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
 
! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
 
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! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
 
! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
 
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! colspan="3" | Engine
 
! colspan="3" | Engine
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! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
 
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! colspan="2" | {{Annotation|Basic mass|Mass of the aircraft with pilot and engine oil, but no fuel or weapons load}} || colspan="2" | Wing loading (full fuel)
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! colspan="2" | {{Annotation|Basic mass|Mass of the aircraft with pilot and engine oil, but no fuel or weapons load}} || colspan="3" | Wing loading (full fuel)
 
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| colspan="2" | Shenyang Liming WP-13A-II || 2
 
| colspan="2" | Shenyang Liming WP-13A-II || 2
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| colspan="2" | _,___ kg || colspan="2" | ___ kg/m<sup>2</sup>
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| colspan="2" | 9,947 kg || colspan="3" | ___ kg/m<sup>2</sup>
 
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! 10m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 35m fuel || MTOW
 
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| 1.15 || 1.05 || 0.96 || 0.91 || _.__
 
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{{Specs-Avia-Armour}}
 
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As in many jet-era aircrafts, J-8B has self-sealing fuel tanks; while it couldn't brag about its protection- only 65mm bulletproof windshield and a 16 mm plate behind the pilot's seat.
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As with many jet-era aircraft, the J-8B has self-sealing fuel tanks, as well as a 65 mm bulletproof glass windshield and a 16 mm plate behind the pilot's seat.
  
 
* Steel plate
 
* Steel plate
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** Rear of cockpit, behind the seat- 16 mm
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** Rear of cockpit, behind the seat - 16 mm
 
* Bulletproof glass
 
* Bulletproof glass
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** Windshield- 65 mm
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** Windshield - 65 mm
  
 
=== Modifications and economy ===
 
=== Modifications and economy ===
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== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
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The basic design of J-8 series is aimed for high-altitude interception of Soviet supersonic strategic bombers and J-8B is no exception, its excellent climb rate, top speed and acceleration makes it a high-flyer by all means. But don't be fooled by the sheer size of it, some aerodynamic and control surface features on J-8B make it surprisingly maneuverable as its flight envelope is very similar to a MiG-21MF, if not better; while the size can be a problem as well due to the large surface area, it would be easy for other jets to land shots upon you.
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The basic design of the J-8 series is aimed for high-altitude interception of Soviet supersonic strategic bombers and the J-8B is no exception, its excellent climb rate, top speed, and acceleration make it a high-flyer by all means. Don't be fooled by the sheer size of it, the aerodynamic and control surface features on the J-8B make it surprisingly manoeuvrable as its flight envelope is very similar to a MiG-21MF, if not better; while the size can be a problem as well due to the large surface area, it would be easy for other jets to land shots upon you.
  
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The overall weaponry and avionics are inferior, if not the worst compare to jets at same tier: for example, MiG-23MLD can have 2 SARH missile and 6 IR missiles at the same time; 4 SARH and IR missiles in F-4 Phantom's case. In J-8B's case, it could only carry '''either 4 PL-5B''' which are notorious for its erratic performance or '''2 Aspide-1A SARH missiles''' at most- for unknown reasons it couldn't carry either for now; this problem is further enlarged by the poor performance of Changhong Type 208A radar, perhaps the worst radar at its tier without any PD or LD capabilities. Although J-8B can carry up to 8 bombs and some HF-6 rocket pods, the jet '''doesn't come with any means of CCIP or CCRP''' ''(in fact, the HUD has no other modes than navigation mode albeit as labeled in the cockpit HUD)''. Although Large-caliber countermeasures could help migrating the flaws in weaponry systems, it is still advised NOT to rush into the battlefield.  
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The overall weaponry and avionics are inferior compared to its opponents at the battle rating, with limited air-to-air and ground ordnance options. The PL-5Bs are only suitable for long range launches as they have difficulty manoeuvring after launch, and the Aspides are restricted by the poor performance of Changhong Type 208A radar, which has limited range and no pulse-Doppler capabilities. In addition, the two missile types cannot be carried together in a single loadout. Although the J-8B can carry up to 8 bombs or 28 Type 90-1 HEAT rockets, the jet doesn't come with any means of CCIP or CCRP. The large caliber countermeasures help in mitigating the flaws in weaponry systems, but it is still advised NOT to rush into the battlefield.
  
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For the time being, pilots of J-8B should be extra cautious to any enemies that might appear at top tier, although flying high can migrate the affects of radar clustering if you choose Aspide-1A, it means the same for enemies' SARH missiles; if only bringing PL-5B into the fight, stay away from the heated battlefield, then fly in and pick up targets who has already used up their energy or unaware of your existence, a solid hit from PL-5B can shoot down enemies with relative ease; do keep in mind that the missile is best used at distance around 3.5 km, where its tracking rate can still keep up with most jets.  
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Pilots of the J-8B should be extra cautious to any enemies that might appear. Although flying high can mitigate the affects of radar ground clutter if you choose to bring the Aspide-1A missiles, it means the same for enemies' SARH missiles. If only bringing PL-5Bs into the fight, stay away from the heated battlefield, then fly in and pick up targets who has already used up their energy or unaware of your existence, a solid hit from a PL-5B can take down enemies with relative ease; do keep in mind that the missile is best used at distance around 3.5 km, where its tracking rate can still keep up with most jets.
  
 
=== Pros and cons ===
 
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'''Pros:'''
  
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* One of the fastest jet in game
 
 
* High acceleration
 
* High acceleration
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* Surprisingly maneuverable for its size
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* Surprisingly manoeuvrable for its size
 
* The very first Chinese jet with SARH missiles
 
* The very first Chinese jet with SARH missiles
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* Large-caliber countermeasures like those on MiG-23
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* Large-caliber countermeasures like those on the MiG-23
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* Sufficient air-to-ground ordinances ''(in fact the highest bomb load of all Chinese supersonic jets)''
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* Sufficient air-to-ground ordnance
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'''Cons:'''
 
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* Huge size
 
* Huge size
 
* Small ammo pool at only 200 rounds
 
* Small ammo pool at only 200 rounds
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* Bleeds severely in maneuvers
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* Bleeds speed severely in manoeuvres
 
* Inferior avionics to its counterparts
 
* Inferior avionics to its counterparts
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* PL-5B is erratic to utilize
 
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== History ==
 
== History ==
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=== Background ===
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In view of harassment from high-altitude reconnaissance planes and supersonic strategic bombers from both US and USSR in early 1960s, Xu Shunshou (徐舜寿) and Huang Zhiqian (黄志千), the duo of designers from Shenyang Aircraft Corporation (SAC) who had just finished the JJ-1 (歼教-1) program, soon started their design on a new interceptor. There were 22 designs for the new interceptor and most of them opted for a single-engine version, while Huang Zhiqian decided to leave a twin-engine design in case the development of the new engine would lag the entire program. After an intense debate on whether the new engine would be made in time, Huang's design, dubbed "Roast Duck" (烤鸭), using 2 existing WP-7 engines from J-7, became the design SAC opted for. This design was given the green light on 17th May 1965 as the J-8 (歼-8).
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In view of the harassment from high-altitude recon planes and upcoming supersonic strategic bombers from both US and USSR in early 1960s, '''Xu Shunshou (''徐舜寿)''''' and '''Huang Zhiqian (''黄志千'''''), the duo designers from SAC who have just finished the JJ-1 (歼教-1) program soon started their design on a new interceptor. There were 22 designs for the new interceptor and most of them opted for a single-engine version; while Huang Zhiqian decided to leave a twin-engine design in case the development of the new engine would lag the entire program. After an intense debate on the theorize meeting that the new engine couldn't made it in time, Huang's design, dubbed as "Roast Duck" ''(烤鸭)'' using 2 existing WP-7 engines from J-7 became the design SAC opted for, this design was then given the green light on 1965/5/17 as J-8 (歼-8).
 
  
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Although the building of J-8I was sailing smoothly, but during the ground tests and stress test, the first prototype was proved unsafe to do test flights and the failure of the first stress test almost gave J-8I its death sentence; this was further intensified due to the death of the duo. The next chief designer, '''Gu Songfen ''顾诵芬''''' continued the project with their wills and finally excepted all manufacture flaws, J-8I finally made its first flight in 1969/7/5. However, SAC took literary a decade to finalize the aerodynamic design of J-8I and the new jet passed for state certification in the very last hours of 1979.
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Although the development of the J-8I was smooth sailing, during the ground tests and stress test, the first prototype was proved unsafe to do test flights and the failure of the first stress test almost gave the J-8I its death sentence; this was further intensified by the deaths of the designer duo. The next chief designer, Gu Songfen (顾诵芬) continued the project with their wills and finally rectified its manufacturing flaws. The J-8I finally made its first flight on 5th July 1969. However, SAC took a whole decade to finalise the aerodynamic design of the J-8I and the new jet only passed for state certification in the very last hours of 1979.
  
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==== The J-8II ====
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=== J-8II ===
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Although later simulated dogfights with J-7 proved J-8I was superior to the former in many aspects, the MiG-23 (NATO: Flogger) was becoming a big threat to PLAAF with better avionics; although they obtained a MiG-23SM from Egypt for evaluation, instead of reverse-engineering a domestic Flogger, they opted for a more streamline design with side intakes based on Flogger. The redesigned J-8II made its first flight in 1984/6/12 with new technologies utilized during manufacture as well as reserved for SARH missiles.
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Although later simulated dogfights with J-7 proved the J-8I was superior to the former in many aspects, the MiG-23 (NATO: Flogger) was becoming a big threat to the PLAAF with better avionics. Although a MiG-23SM had been obtained from Egypt for evaluation, instead of reverse-engineering a domestic Flogger, they opted for a more streamlined design with side intakes based on the Flogger. The redesigned the J-8II made its first flight on 12th June 1984 with new technologies utilized during manufacture as well as for SARH missiles.
  
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The 1980s also marked a better relationship with western countries, SAC then seek Grumman for upgrading J-8II into a modernized jet dubbed '''"Project 8-2" or Peace Pearl''' (八二工程/和平珍珠) with latest avionics from F-16C; but the 1989 Beijing Crackdown halted this program and eventually cancelled in 1990 in view of importing new Flankers from Soviet Union. While the Project 8-2 and later Project 8-3 (J-8C) failed, SAC finalized the radar and J-8II Block 2/J-8B passed certification in 1995. With later models of J-8II series sprung up in late 1990s and 2000s, these earlier J-8B were mostly upgraded to newer standards and still kept in service in some units as a placeholder before new J-10 and 11 could replace them.
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The 1980s also marked a better relationship with western countries, SAC then sought Grumman to upgrade the J-8II into a modernized jet dubbed "Project 8-2" or Peace Pearl (八二工程/和平珍珠) with the latest avionics from the F-16C. However, the 1989 Beijing Crackdown halted this program and it was eventually cancelled in 1990 in view of importing new Su-27 Flankers from the Soviet Union. While the Project 8-2 and later Project 8-3 (J-8C) failed, SAC finalised the radar and the J-8II Block 2/J-8B passed certification in 1995. With later models of the J-8II series produced in the late 1990s and 2000s, these earlier J-8B were mostly upgraded to newer standards and still kept in service in some units as a placeholder before the new J-10s and -11s replaced them.
  
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==== The Spiritual Number: 81192 ====
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=== The Spiritual Number: 81192 ===
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The default skin for J-8B includes the number "'''81192'''" painted on the sides outside of cockpit, this number has become the spiritual number of military enthusiast and players in Mainland China due to the [[wikipedia:Hainan_Island_incident|Hainan Island Incident]] between PLANAF and USN.
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The default skin for J-8B includes the number "81192" painted on the sides outside of cockpit, this number has become the spiritual number of military enthusiasts and players in Mainland China due to the [[wikipedia:Hainan_Island_incident|Hainan Island Incident]] between the PLANAF and USN.
  
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On 2001/4/1, a P-3C (Built No. 156511'')'' from VQ-1 of USN stationed at Okinawa, piloted by Lieutenant commander '''Shane Osborn''' was conducting a recon flight close to Hainan Island, where a pair of J-8B from Hainan Lingshui Airbase has intercepted them; one of the J-8B, piloted by Major '''Wang Wei''' (Wang Wei) from 27 Brigade, 9th Division of PLANAF, accidentally rammed onto EP-3's left wing and was severely damaged by the propellers, his jet crashed into the South China Sea and EP-3 made an emergency landing at Lingshui Airbase; although Wang Wei was witnessed to be ejected, after weeks of searching, Major Wang Wei was declared KIA and was posthumously given martyr and '''"Guardian of Sea and Air 海空卫士"'''  title by PLA.
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On 1st April 2001, an EP-3 (BuNo. 156511) from VQ-1 of the USN stationed at Okinawa, piloted by Lieutenant Commander Shane Osborn was conducting a reconnaissance flight close to Hainan Island, where a pair of J-8B from Hainan Lingshui Airbase intercepted them; one of the J-8B, piloted by Major Wang Wei (Wang Wei) from 27 Brigade, 9th Division of PLANAF, accidentally rammed the EP-3's left wing and was severely damaged by the propellers, his jet crashed into the South China Sea and the EP-3 made an emergency landing at Lingshui Airbase. Although Wang Wei was witnessed to have ejected, after weeks of searching, he was declared KIA and was posthumously given martyr and the "Guardian of Sea and Air" (海空卫士) title by PLA.
  
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This incident further ignited the backlash to US in Mainland China after multiple diplomatic incidents in 1990s; the EP-3 was then disassembled and sent back to USN with an Antonov AN-124 and the incident ended with an official apology from US Government.  
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This incident further ignited the backlash towards the US in Mainland China after multiple diplomatic incidents during the 1990s; the EP-3 was then disassembled and sent back to USN with an Antonov AN-124 and the incident ended with an official apology from the US Government.
  
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A decade later, photos from a photographer in Mainland China proved that the J-8B numbered 81192 was still in service in early 2010s (but upgraded to J-8DH standards with a black radome) and magazine photos showed the model of J-8B given to Ruan Guoqin (阮国琴), widow of Wang Wei was numbered '''81194''' instead. Although the debate of whether 92 or 94 was the jet involved still continues, but the number 81192 has already become the symbol of the long-lasting Sino-US conflicts and there are memorial events every year at Wang Wei's cenotaph at Huzhou, Zhejiang.
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A decade later, photos from a photographer in Mainland China proved that the J-8B numbered 81192 was still in service in the early 2010s (but upgraded to J-8DH standards with a black radome), but magazine photos showed that a model of the J-8B given to Ruan Guoqin (阮国琴), widow of Wang Wei, was numbered 81194. The debate of whether 92 or 94 was the jet involved still continues, but the number 81192 has already become the symbol of the long-lasting Sino-US conflicts and there are memorial events every year at Wang Wei's cenotaph at Huzhou, Zhejiang.
  
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== '''Media''' ==
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== Media ==
 
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Revision as of 22:12, 26 March 2022

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Description

The J-8B (歼-8B, NATO: Finback 长须鲸) is a rank VII Chinese jet fighter with a battle rating of 11.3 (AB/RB) and 11.7 (SB). It was introduced in Update "Wind of Change".

A revision of the previous J-8I series with more powerful engines and redesigned air intakes for better avionics, the J-8B offers the long-awaited SARH missiles and radar for the PLAAF, while somewhat retaining a good top-speed and sufficient manoeuvrability for such a huge jet.

General info

Flight performance

Air brakes
Allows you to dramatically reduce the flight speed by releasing special flaps
Drogue parachute
Reduces braking distance when landing on any runway
Max speed
at 12 000 m2 300 km/h
Turn time27 s
Max altitude16 000 m
Engine2 х Shenyang Liming WP-13A-II
TypeJet
Cooling systemAir
Take-off weight17 t

To conclude what a J-8 series look like, "a Fishbed on steroids" would be very fitting since the overall design was literally an enlarged version of the J-7 with 2 turbojet engines: the later J-8II series revised the front of the airframe and introduced side intakes for a more streamline design. This size is also a drawback of the J-8B since it becomes a much larger target than its tech-tree predecessor, J-7E.

Thanks to technological improvements over the decades, the J-8B equips two AECC Shenyang Liming WP-13A-II turbojet engines, improving the overall speed and climb rate over the J-8I (the J-8II was the fastest, highest climb rate jet in the PLAAF service until the introduction of Su-27SK/J-11 Flanker-B/L). The use of composite material also reduced its weight, while it retained its good manoeuvrability for such a large interceptor thanks to reworked elevators. However, just like any delta wing jets, any high AoA manoeuvres would be at the cost of severe speed bleeding; although the twin engines do mitigate some of the problem, it is still advised to fly the J-8B as an interceptor instead of a turn-fighter, hit-and-run or high altitude operations is where it shines.

Characteristics Max Speed
(km/h at 12,000 m) 		Max altitude
(metres) 		Turn time
(seconds) 		Rate of climb
(metres/second) 		Take-off run
(metres)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
Stock 2,226 2,206 16000 27.8 28.7 167.4 159.6 750
Upgraded ___ ___ __._ __._ __._ __._

Details

Features
Combat flaps Take-off flaps Landing flaps Air brakes Arrestor gear Drogue chute
X ✓ ✓ ✓ X ✓
Limits
Wings (km/h) Gear (km/h) Flaps (km/h) Max Static G
Combat Take-off Landing + -
1,365 500 N/A 525 450 ~12 ~6
Optimal velocities (km/h)
Ailerons Rudder Elevators Radiator
< 650 < 600 < 900 N/A

Engine performance

Engine Aircraft mass
Engine name Number Basic mass Wing loading (full fuel)
Shenyang Liming WP-13A-II 2 9,947 kg ___ kg/m2
Engine characteristics Mass with fuel (no weapons load) Max Takeoff
Weight
Weight (each) Type 10m fuel 20m fuel 30m fuel 35m fuel
1,140 kg Afterburning axial-flow turbojet 11,243 kg 12,362 kg 13,570 kg 14,267 kg _,___ kg
Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB/SB) Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (WEP)
Condition 100% WEP 10m fuel 20m fuel 30m fuel 35m fuel MTOW
Stationary 3,825 kgf 6,483 kgf 1.15 1.05 0.96 0.91 _.__
Optimal 3,825 kgf
(0 km/h) 		6,977 kgf
(1,200 km/h) 		1.24 1.13 1.03 0.98 _.__

Survivability and armour

Flares/Chaff
Aircraft countermeasures to distract IR and radar-guided missiles and also AA radar
Crew1 person
Speed of destruction
Structural0 km/h
Gear500 km/h

As with many jet-era aircraft, the J-8B has self-sealing fuel tanks, as well as a 65 mm bulletproof glass windshield and a 16 mm plate behind the pilot's seat.

  • Steel plate
    • Rear of cockpit, behind the seat - 16 mm
  • Bulletproof glass
    • Windshield - 65 mm

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference
AB2 719 → 4 045 Sl icon.png
RB8 021 → 11 935 Sl icon.png
SB8 222 → 12 234 Sl icon.png
Total cost of modifications299 000 Rp icon.png
463 000 Sl icon.png
Talisman cost3 000 Ge icon.png
Crew training270 000 Sl icon.png
Experts950 000 Sl icon.png
Aces3 200 Ge icon.png
Research Aces1 210 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
100 / 320 / 600 % Sl icon.png
244 / 244 / 244 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Flight performance Survivability Weaponry
Mods aerodinamic fuse.png
Fuselage repair
Research:
15 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
23 000 Sl icon.png
420 Ge icon.png
Mods jet compressor.png
Compressor
Research:
15 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
23 000 Sl icon.png
420 Ge icon.png
Mods booster.png
New boosters
Research:
17 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
26 000 Sl icon.png
470 Ge icon.png
Mods aerodinamic wing.png
Wings repair
Research:
25 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
39 000 Sl icon.png
690 Ge icon.png
Mods g suit.png
G-suit
Research:
16 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
25 000 Sl icon.png
440 Ge icon.png
Mods jet engine.png
Engine
Research:
16 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
25 000 Sl icon.png
440 Ge icon.png
Mods armor frame.png
Airframe
Research:
17 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
26 000 Sl icon.png
470 Ge icon.png
Mods armor cover.png
Cover
Research:
16 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
25 000 Sl icon.png
440 Ge icon.png
Mods heli false thermal targets.png
Flares/Chaff
Research:
15 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
23 000 Sl icon.png
420 Ge icon.png
Mods ammo.png
ns23_belt_pack
Research:
15 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
23 000 Sl icon.png
420 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 1.png
Mods air to air missile.png
PL-5B
Research:
17 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
26 000 Sl icon.png
470 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 1.png
Mods pilon block rocket.png
HF-6
Research:
17 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
26 000 Sl icon.png
470 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods weapon.png
ns23_new_gun
Research:
25 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
39 000 Sl icon.png
690 Ge icon.png
Mods pilon bomb.png
Type 250
Research:
25 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
39 000 Sl icon.png
690 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 0.png
Mods jet engine extinguisher.png
EFS
Research:
16 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
25 000 Sl icon.png
440 Ge icon.png
Mods air to air midrange missile.png
Aspide
Research:
16 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
25 000 Sl icon.png
440 Ge icon.png
Mods pilon bomb.png
Type 500
Research:
16 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
25 000 Sl icon.png
440 Ge icon.png

Armaments

Offensive armament

Main article: Type 23-3 (23 mm)

The J-8B is armed with:

  • A choice between two presets:
    • 1 x 23 mm Type 23-3 cannon, -mounted (200 rpg)
    • 1 x 23 mm Type 23-3 cannon + 64 x large caliber countermeasures

Suspended armament

Main articles: LDGP Mk 82 (500 lb), Aspide-1A, PL-5B, Type 90-1

The J-8B can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

  • Without load
  • 2 x PL-5B missiles
  • 4 x PL-5B missiles
  • 2 x Aspide-1A missiles
  • 8 x 500 lb LDGP Mk 82 bombs (4,000 lb total)
  • 28 x Type 90-1 rockets

Usage in battles

The basic design of the J-8 series is aimed for high-altitude interception of Soviet supersonic strategic bombers and the J-8B is no exception, its excellent climb rate, top speed, and acceleration make it a high-flyer by all means. Don't be fooled by the sheer size of it, the aerodynamic and control surface features on the J-8B make it surprisingly manoeuvrable as its flight envelope is very similar to a MiG-21MF, if not better; while the size can be a problem as well due to the large surface area, it would be easy for other jets to land shots upon you.

The overall weaponry and avionics are inferior compared to its opponents at the battle rating, with limited air-to-air and ground ordnance options. The PL-5Bs are only suitable for long range launches as they have difficulty manoeuvring after launch, and the Aspides are restricted by the poor performance of Changhong Type 208A radar, which has limited range and no pulse-Doppler capabilities. In addition, the two missile types cannot be carried together in a single loadout. Although the J-8B can carry up to 8 bombs or 28 Type 90-1 HEAT rockets, the jet doesn't come with any means of CCIP or CCRP. The large caliber countermeasures help in mitigating the flaws in weaponry systems, but it is still advised NOT to rush into the battlefield.

Pilots of the J-8B should be extra cautious to any enemies that might appear. Although flying high can mitigate the affects of radar ground clutter if you choose to bring the Aspide-1A missiles, it means the same for enemies' SARH missiles. If only bringing PL-5Bs into the fight, stay away from the heated battlefield, then fly in and pick up targets who has already used up their energy or unaware of your existence, a solid hit from a PL-5B can take down enemies with relative ease; do keep in mind that the missile is best used at distance around 3.5 km, where its tracking rate can still keep up with most jets.

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • High acceleration
  • Surprisingly manoeuvrable for its size
  • The very first Chinese jet with SARH missiles
  • Large-caliber countermeasures like those on the MiG-23
  • Sufficient air-to-ground ordnance

Cons:

  • Huge size
  • Small ammo pool at only 200 rounds
  • Bleeds speed severely in manoeuvres
  • Inferior avionics to its counterparts

History

Background

In view of harassment from high-altitude reconnaissance planes and supersonic strategic bombers from both US and USSR in early 1960s, Xu Shunshou (徐舜寿) and Huang Zhiqian (黄志千), the duo of designers from Shenyang Aircraft Corporation (SAC) who had just finished the JJ-1 (歼教-1) program, soon started their design on a new interceptor. There were 22 designs for the new interceptor and most of them opted for a single-engine version, while Huang Zhiqian decided to leave a twin-engine design in case the development of the new engine would lag the entire program. After an intense debate on whether the new engine would be made in time, Huang's design, dubbed "Roast Duck" (烤鸭), using 2 existing WP-7 engines from J-7, became the design SAC opted for. This design was given the green light on 17th May 1965 as the J-8 (歼-8).

Although the development of the J-8I was smooth sailing, during the ground tests and stress test, the first prototype was proved unsafe to do test flights and the failure of the first stress test almost gave the J-8I its death sentence; this was further intensified by the deaths of the designer duo. The next chief designer, Gu Songfen (顾诵芬) continued the project with their wills and finally rectified its manufacturing flaws. The J-8I finally made its first flight on 5th July 1969. However, SAC took a whole decade to finalise the aerodynamic design of the J-8I and the new jet only passed for state certification in the very last hours of 1979.

J-8II

Although later simulated dogfights with J-7 proved the J-8I was superior to the former in many aspects, the MiG-23 (NATO: Flogger) was becoming a big threat to the PLAAF with better avionics. Although a MiG-23SM had been obtained from Egypt for evaluation, instead of reverse-engineering a domestic Flogger, they opted for a more streamlined design with side intakes based on the Flogger. The redesigned the J-8II made its first flight on 12th June 1984 with new technologies utilized during manufacture as well as for SARH missiles.

The 1980s also marked a better relationship with western countries, SAC then sought Grumman to upgrade the J-8II into a modernized jet dubbed "Project 8-2" or Peace Pearl (八二工程/和平珍珠) with the latest avionics from the F-16C. However, the 1989 Beijing Crackdown halted this program and it was eventually cancelled in 1990 in view of importing new Su-27 Flankers from the Soviet Union. While the Project 8-2 and later Project 8-3 (J-8C) failed, SAC finalised the radar and the J-8II Block 2/J-8B passed certification in 1995. With later models of the J-8II series produced in the late 1990s and 2000s, these earlier J-8B were mostly upgraded to newer standards and still kept in service in some units as a placeholder before the new J-10s and -11s replaced them.

The Spiritual Number: 81192

The default skin for J-8B includes the number "81192" painted on the sides outside of cockpit, this number has become the spiritual number of military enthusiasts and players in Mainland China due to the Hainan Island Incident between the PLANAF and USN.

On 1st April 2001, an EP-3 (BuNo. 156511) from VQ-1 of the USN stationed at Okinawa, piloted by Lieutenant Commander Shane Osborn was conducting a reconnaissance flight close to Hainan Island, where a pair of J-8B from Hainan Lingshui Airbase intercepted them; one of the J-8B, piloted by Major Wang Wei (Wang Wei) from 27 Brigade, 9th Division of PLANAF, accidentally rammed the EP-3's left wing and was severely damaged by the propellers, his jet crashed into the South China Sea and the EP-3 made an emergency landing at Lingshui Airbase. Although Wang Wei was witnessed to have ejected, after weeks of searching, he was declared KIA and was posthumously given martyr and the "Guardian of Sea and Air" (海空卫士) title by PLA.

This incident further ignited the backlash towards the US in Mainland China after multiple diplomatic incidents during the 1990s; the EP-3 was then disassembled and sent back to USN with an Antonov AN-124 and the incident ended with an official apology from the US Government.

A decade later, photos from a photographer in Mainland China proved that the J-8B numbered 81192 was still in service in the early 2010s (but upgraded to J-8DH standards with a black radome), but magazine photos showed that a model of the J-8B given to Ruan Guoqin (阮国琴), widow of Wang Wei, was numbered 81194. The debate of whether 92 or 94 was the jet involved still continues, but the number 81192 has already become the symbol of the long-lasting Sino-US conflicts and there are memorial events every year at Wang Wei's cenotaph at Huzhou, Zhejiang.

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See also

External links

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