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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
 
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The '''AMX-30 Défense Contre Avion (DCA)''' is a self-propelled anti-aircraft modification of the [[AMX-30 (1972)|AMX-30B (Model 1972)]], which is the second variant of the [[AMX-30 (Family)|AMX-30 main battle tank family]]. The system was designed to protect against low-altitude aerial attacks and comprised two 30 mm Hispano-Suiza 831A automatic cannons linked to an Oeil-noir fire control system. Since the AMX-30B (Model 1972) had a larger chassis on which the S 401 A turret could be installed, this will provide improved mobility. Furthermore, the larger AMX-30B (Model 1972) provided a more robust base for the weapon system and allowed it to carry far more ammunition. The weapons were built to fire in 5- or 15-round bursts with a cyclic rate of fire of 650 rounds per minute. They were operated by an analogue computer that received data from a Doppler radar and could be folded into an armoured box when not in use to safeguard against harm. Since the fire control relied on optical tracking, it could only operate during daytime hours and in clear weather.
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French self-propelled anti-aircraft vehicle {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]].
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Introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]], the AMX-30 DCA is a dependable self-propelled anti-aircraft platform that will protect allies during conflicts. With a high rate of fire and powerful 30 mm ammunition, 1-2 hits are typically enough to bring down even the most protected plane. Mobility is excellent, far superior to that of contemporaries such as the British Chieftain Marksman. This vehicle also includes a radar, which improves accuracy and engagement range. Finally, it can be employed as an alternative for some minor anti-tank duties, such as destroying poorly armoured enemies during flanking manoeuvres, while more protected enemies should be left to teammates with dedicated anti-tank weapons.
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
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The AMX-30 DCA is based off the hull of the [[AMX-30 (1972)|AMX-30]] main battle tank, resulting in a decently armoured hull. The front glacis is heavily sloped and capable of bouncing most APHE shells and, with luck, some HEAT shells. However, the hull sides and rear are fairly weak, coming in at only 25-30 mm thick.
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The turret is more modestly armoured, with 20 to 30 mm of armour. This is sufficiently strong enough to withstand 20 mm or 23 mm cannon fired from an angle, allowing you to shoot down enemy aircraft trying to strafe you.
  
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Crew placement is fairly average, as the driver is in the center of the hull while the gunner and commander sit on the opposite side of the guns. However, the placement of the ammunition feed at the '''front''' of the turret means any penetrating shot has a significant chance of causing an ammunition detonation.It is not advised to take less ammunition, as the 30 mm cannons have a high fire rate.
  
 
=== Mobility ===
 
=== Mobility ===
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As with the AMX-30, the AMX-30 DCA has a decent top and reverse speed of 65 km/h. This allows the DCA to keep up with its team, in addition to the ability to quickly escape danger.
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However, note that the DCA lacks neutral steering and is somewhat slow to accelerate stock, meaning that it is possible to get caught off-guard and react too slowly.
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=== Modifications and economy ===
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== Armaments ==
 
== Armaments ==
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=== Main armament ===
 
=== Main armament ===
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{{main|HSS 831A (30 mm)}}
  
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The armament consists of 2x30mm HSS 831A cannons with 300 RPG with a quick, fixed fire rate and can make use of 3 types of munitions :  
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The armament consists of 2 x 30 mm HSS 831A cannons with 300 RPG with a quick, fixed fire rate and can make use of 3 types of munitions:
  
 
* High-explosive incendiary (self-destroying, note that the self-destruction range coincides with the radar's lead indicator maximum distance, making the shell inadequate at longer ranges)
 
* High-explosive incendiary (self-destroying, note that the self-destruction range coincides with the radar's lead indicator maximum distance, making the shell inadequate at longer ranges)
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! colspan="6" | [[HSS 831A (30 mm)|30 mm HSS 831A]] (x2) || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
 
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! Mode !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
 
! Mode !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
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! ''Arcade''
 
! ''Arcade''
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| rowspan="2" | 1200 (300) || rowspan="2" | 600 || rowspan="2" | -5°/+85° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 70.4 || 97.5 || __.__ || __.__ || __.__ || rowspan="2" | 65.0 || rowspan="2" | __.__ || rowspan="2" | _.__ || rowspan="2" | 50.0
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| rowspan="2" | 1,200 (300) || rowspan="2" | 650 || rowspan="2" | -8°/+85° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | - || 70.4 || 97.5 || 118.4 || 130.9 || 139.3 || rowspan="2" | 39.00 || rowspan="2" | 34.50 || rowspan="2" | 31.80 || rowspan="2" | 30.00
 
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| 47.6 || 56.0 || __.__ || __.__ || __.__
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| 47.6 || 56.0 || 68.0 || 75.2 || 80.0
 
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=== Ammunition ===
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==== Ammunition ====
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* '''Default:''' {{Annotation|SAP-I|Semi-armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEI-T*|High-explosive incendiary tracer (self-destroying)}}
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* '''30x170 HE-I-T:''' {{Annotation|HEI-T*|High-explosive incendiary tracer (self-destroying)}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEI*|High-explosive incendiary (self-destroying)}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEI*|High-explosive incendiary (self-destroying)}}{{-}}{{Annotation|SAP-I|Semi-armour-piercing incendiary}}
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* '''30x170 APHE-I:''' {{Annotation|SAP-I|Semi-armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|SAP-I|Semi-armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|SAP-I|Semi-armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEI-T*|High-explosive incendiary tracer (self-destroying)}}
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* '''30x170 APDS-T:''' {{Annotation|SAP-I|Semi-armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|APDS|Armour-piercing discarding sabot}}{{-}}{{Annotation|SAP-I|Semi-armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEI-T*|High-explosive incendiary tracer (self-destroying)}}
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=== Machine guns ===
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* Ammunition is divided into 4 clips of 300 rounds.
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* The visual discrepancy concerns the number of clips: 4 clips can be fired but only 2 are modeled.
  
 
===Radars===
 
===Radars===
 
{{main|DR-VC-1A|Albis}}
 
{{main|DR-VC-1A|Albis}}
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The AMX-30 DCA is equipped with a [[DR-VC-1A]] search radar and an [[Albis]] tracking radar. The radar is located at the rear of the turret and cannot be folded. The radar system is capable of tracking a target while scanning, but can only track targets within a 200° arc from the front of the turret.
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The AMX-30 DCA is equipped with a [[DR-VC-1A]] combined search and tracking radar. The radar is located at the rear of the turret and can be folded. The radar system but can only track targets within a 200° arc from the front of the turret.
  
 
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! {{Annotation|Minimum<br/>relative speed|The minimum speed a target must be moving, relative to the radar, in order to be detectable by the radar}}
 
! {{Annotation|Minimum<br/>relative speed|The minimum speed a target must be moving, relative to the radar, in order to be detectable by the radar}}
 
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| 15,000 m || 1,000 m || 360° || 45° || 15 m/s (54 km/h)
 
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! {{Annotation|Minimum<br/>target speed|The minimum speed a target must be moving, relative to the radar, in order to be tracked by the radar}}
 
! {{Annotation|Minimum<br/>target speed|The minimum speed a target must be moving, relative to the radar, in order to be tracked by the radar}}
 
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| 15,000 m || 75 m || ±100° || -20°/+85° || 15 m/s (54 km/h)
 
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== Usage in battles ==
 
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'''Anti-Air'''
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Ideally, you should be in a place with horizontal cover against tanks and a wide field of view. Use the radar to spot incoming enemy aircraft. Lock onto the target within 4-5 kilometers in order to keep track of it, making sure to not fire.
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For larger 2-4 engined aircraft, firing at 3 km may be effective. However, more agile single-engined fighters and most jet aircraft will be easily able to dodge incoming fire, meaning that you should wait until they close to 2 km before firing.
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Fire in short bursts of 10-50 rounds each to avoid overheating and ammunition shortage. Moving the aim point around during the burst may help to disperse shots and increase hit probability, as even a single 30 mm HEI shell is deadly to most aircraft.
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If forced into an anti-tank role, the AMX-30 DCA should be played as a support vehicle. With only 53 mm of penetration stock, it is unable to kill anything but IFVs and other SPAA. However, the 30 mm API and HEI rounds are incredibly potent at destroying tracks and damaging barrels, enabling you to assist teammates in killing tanks.
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Ideally, the enemy should be unaware of you and be flat-on (i.e perpendicular). From there, check to see if your belt has enough penetration to overcome his side armour. If it does, aim to take out his gun first (shoot directly below the turret), then his crew (driver's compartment, any survivors in the turret).
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* Other notable opponents include the [[M60]] and [[Chieftain (Family)|Chieftain]] series of tanks, as they too have enough side armour to protect against the stock belt.
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=== Pros and cons ===
 
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'''Pros:'''  
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* Fast rate of fire, generally 50-100 RPM higher compared to other 30-35 mm gun SPAA
 
* Fast rate of fire, generally 50-100 RPM higher compared to other 30-35 mm gun SPAA
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* Very fast considering its hull armour level, unlike the [[Chieftain Marksman]]
 
* Very fast considering its hull armour level, unlike the [[Chieftain Marksman]]
 
* Double or even triple the amount of ammunition, when compared to other 30-35 mm gun SPAA
 
* Double or even triple the amount of ammunition, when compared to other 30-35 mm gun SPAA
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* Gun arrangement makes it much easier to use against ground targets than the [[Gepard]]-style SPAAs
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* Has radar, unlike some SPAA like the [[Falcon]] and [[M163]]
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* Stock belts chew through lightly armoured medium tanks like the Leopard I series and light tanks like the BMP series
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* Access to smoke grenades and ESS
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* Night vision is available - no thermals however
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* Extremely deadly to enemy ground vehicles in flanking manoeuvres
  
 
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* Can only take out light and sometimes medium tanks due to the small size of its guns
 
* Can only take out light and sometimes medium tanks due to the small size of its guns
 
* Lightly armoured turret, with ammunition being '''very''' vulnerable to direct attacks
 
* Lightly armoured turret, with ammunition being '''very''' vulnerable to direct attacks
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* Gun placement makes firing over ridges and hiding behind cover awkward
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* Slow acceleration (when stock) and lack of neutral steering hinders responsiveness
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* Reloading the guns, switching ammunition belts or clearing jammed guns takes over a minute to complete, leaving you vulnerable and out of the action for a very, very long time
  
 
== History ==
 
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The development of the '''AMX-30 {{Annotation|DCA|Défense Contre Avions - Defense Against Aircraft}}''' (also known as the AMX-30{{Annotation|SA|Saudi Arabia}}) began in the year 1969 and it was derived from the '''AMX-13 DCA''', a similar system produced for the French army. While the AMX-30 DCA was made for the French Army, it was also made for export and in the end, none of the DCA's were ordered by the French army. Instead, Saudi Arabia ordered an improved version in the 1975, called the AMX-30SA which included the SA-10 Shaline missiles.
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It was developed to be used against low-flying aircraft and low-altitude attacks with its two Hispano-Suiza 30 mm 831 A automatic guns coupled to an '''Oeil-noir''' fire control system. This system had already been installed on the AMX-13, in lieu of a heavier chassis, using a turret designated the S 401 A. Although this vehicle began production in the year 1962, the introduction of the AMX-30 meant that the S 401 A turret could be mounted onto a much larger chassis which improved the agility of the vehicle. It also provided a much more stable platform and with double the ammo capacity of 1,200 rounds instead of the 600 that the AMX-13 could carry.
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The guns were designed to shoot in bursts of 5 rounds, or even 15 rounds per burst with the cyclic rate of fire of 650 rounds a minute. They were controlled by an analogue computer that received information from a Doppler radar, which could be folded into an armoured box when not in use to protect from damage. The fire control depended on visual tracking, meaning it could not be used in night time.
  
 
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== See also ==
 
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* [[AMX-30 (Family)]]
  
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* [[Oerlikon KDA (35 mm)]]
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** [[File:FRG flag.png|30px|link=]] [[Gepard]]
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** [[File:Japan flag.png|30px|link=]] [[Type 87]]
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** [[File:Britain flag.png|30px|link=]] [[Chieftain Marksman]]
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** [[File:Finland flag.png|30px|link=]] [[ItPsV Leopard]]
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** [[File:South Africa flag.png|30px|link=]] [[ZA-35]]
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** [[File:China flag.png|30px|link=]] [[PGZ09]]
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* [[File:Sweden flag.png|30px|link=]] [[VEAK 40]]
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* [[File:USSR flag.png|30px|link=]] [[ZSU-37-2]]
  
 
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AMX-30 S DCA
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AMX-30 S DCA
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Description

The AMX-30 Défense Contre Avion (DCA) is a self-propelled anti-aircraft modification of the AMX-30B (Model 1972), which is the second variant of the AMX-30 main battle tank family. The system was designed to protect against low-altitude aerial attacks and comprised two 30 mm Hispano-Suiza 831A automatic cannons linked to an Oeil-noir fire control system. Since the AMX-30B (Model 1972) had a larger chassis on which the S 401 A turret could be installed, this will provide improved mobility. Furthermore, the larger AMX-30B (Model 1972) provided a more robust base for the weapon system and allowed it to carry far more ammunition. The weapons were built to fire in 5- or 15-round bursts with a cyclic rate of fire of 650 rounds per minute. They were operated by an analogue computer that received data from a Doppler radar and could be folded into an armoured box when not in use to safeguard against harm. Since the fire control relied on optical tracking, it could only operate during daytime hours and in clear weather.

Introduced in Update 1.75 "La Résistance", the AMX-30 DCA is a dependable self-propelled anti-aircraft platform that will protect allies during conflicts. With a high rate of fire and powerful 30 mm ammunition, 1-2 hits are typically enough to bring down even the most protected plane. Mobility is excellent, far superior to that of contemporaries such as the British Chieftain Marksman. This vehicle also includes a radar, which improves accuracy and engagement range. Finally, it can be employed as an alternative for some minor anti-tank duties, such as destroying poorly armoured enemies during flanking manoeuvres, while more protected enemies should be left to teammates with dedicated anti-tank weapons.

General info

Survivability and armour

Smoke grenades
Creation of a smoke screen in front of the vehicle
ESS
Creation of a smoke screen in the direction of movement of the vehicle
Armourfront / side / back
Hull79 / 35 / 30
Turret30 / 20 / 20
Crew3 people
Visibility455 %

The AMX-30 DCA is based off the hull of the AMX-30 main battle tank, resulting in a decently armoured hull. The front glacis is heavily sloped and capable of bouncing most APHE shells and, with luck, some HEAT shells. However, the hull sides and rear are fairly weak, coming in at only 25-30 mm thick.

The turret is more modestly armoured, with 20 to 30 mm of armour. This is sufficiently strong enough to withstand 20 mm or 23 mm cannon fired from an angle, allowing you to shoot down enemy aircraft trying to strafe you.

Crew placement is fairly average, as the driver is in the center of the hull while the gunner and commander sit on the opposite side of the guns. However, the placement of the ammunition feed at the front of the turret means any penetrating shot has a significant chance of causing an ammunition detonation.It is not advised to take less ammunition, as the 30 mm cannons have a high fire rate.

Mobility

Reverse gearbox
Forward and backward movement is possible at the same maximum speed
Speedforward / back
AB71 / 71 km/h
RB and SB66 / 66 km/h
Number of gears5 forward
5 back
Weight36.0 t
Engine power
AB1 240 hp
RB and SB650 hp
Power-to-weight ratio
AB34.4 hp/t
RB and SB18.1 hp/t

As with the AMX-30, the AMX-30 DCA has a decent top and reverse speed of 65 km/h. This allows the DCA to keep up with its team, in addition to the ability to quickly escape danger.

However, note that the DCA lacks neutral steering and is somewhat slow to accelerate stock, meaning that it is possible to get caught off-guard and react too slowly.

Game Mode Max Speed (km/h) Weight (tons) Engine power (horsepower) Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Forward Reverse Stock Upgraded Stock Upgraded
Arcade 71 71 36 923 1,240 25.64 34.44
Realistic 66 66 575 650 15.97 18.06

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference
AB4 572 → 6 652 Sl icon.png
RB3 902 → 5 677 Sl icon.png
SB4 741 → 6 898 Sl icon.png
Total cost of modifications112 000 Rp icon.png
189 400 Sl icon.png
Talisman cost2 300 Ge icon.png
Crew training110 000 Sl icon.png
Experts380 000 Sl icon.png
Aces1 400 Ge icon.png
Research Aces830 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
140 / 190 / 220 % Sl icon.png
208 / 208 / 208 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Mobility Protection Firepower
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Tracks
Research:
6 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
9 600 Sl icon.png
240 Ge icon.png
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Suspension
Research:
5 400 Rp icon.png
Cost:
8 600 Sl icon.png
210 Ge icon.png
Mods new tank break.png
Brake System
Research:
5 400 Rp icon.png
Cost:
8 600 Sl icon.png
210 Ge icon.png
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Filters
Research:
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Cost:
12 000 Sl icon.png
300 Ge icon.png
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Transmission
Research:
6 500 Rp icon.png
Cost:
10 000 Sl icon.png
260 Ge icon.png
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Engine
Research:
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Cost:
10 000 Sl icon.png
260 Ge icon.png
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Improved Parts
Research:
1 800 Rp icon.png
Cost:
9 600 Sl icon.png
240 Ge icon.png
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Improved FPE
Research:
1 600 Rp icon.png
Cost:
8 600 Sl icon.png
210 Ge icon.png
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Crew Replenishment
Research:
7 500 Rp icon.png
Cost:
12 000 Sl icon.png
300 Ge icon.png
Mods engine smoke screen system.png
ESS
Research:
6 500 Rp icon.png
Cost:
10 000 Sl icon.png
260 Ge icon.png
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Horizontal Drive
Research:
6 000 Rp icon.png
Cost:
9 600 Sl icon.png
240 Ge icon.png
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30mm_hs_831_HE_ammo_pack
Research:
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Cost:
9 600 Sl icon.png
240 Ge icon.png
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Adjustment of Fire
Research:
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Cost:
8 600 Sl icon.png
210 Ge icon.png
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30mm_hs_831_APHEI_ammo_pack
Research:
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Cost:
8 600 Sl icon.png
210 Ge icon.png
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Elevation Mechanism
Research:
7 500 Rp icon.png
Cost:
12 000 Sl icon.png
300 Ge icon.png
Mods smoke screen.png
Smoke grenade
Research:
7 500 Rp icon.png
Cost:
12 000 Sl icon.png
300 Ge icon.png
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Artillery Support
Research:
6 500 Rp icon.png
Cost:
10 000 Sl icon.png
260 Ge icon.png
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Laser rangefinder
Research:
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Cost:
10 000 Sl icon.png
260 Ge icon.png
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30mm_hs_831_APDS_ammo_pack
Research:
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Cost:
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Armaments

Laser rangefinder
Reduces the error and increases the maximum measurable distance of the rangefinder

Main armament

2 x 30 mm HSS 831A cannon
Ammunition1 200 rounds
Belt capacity300 rounds
Reloadbasic crew → aces
65.0 → 50.0 s
Fire rate651 shots/min
Vertical guidance-8° / 85°
Main article: HSS 831A (30 mm)

The armament consists of 2 x 30 mm HSS 831A cannons with 300 RPG with a quick, fixed fire rate and can make use of 3 types of munitions:

  • High-explosive incendiary (self-destroying, note that the self-destruction range coincides with the radar's lead indicator maximum distance, making the shell inadequate at longer ranges)
  • Armour-piercing incendiary tracer, which can be used against lightly armoured vehicles and enemy SPAAs, though the damage to enemy aircraft is reduced, the shell can be used outside radar range since it does not self destruct.
  • High-velocity armour-piercing tracer (APDS), which can be used against targets mentioned above and additionally, can be used to attack the side profile of enemy MBTs with reasonable effectiveness.
30 mm HSS 831A (x2) Turret rotation speed (°/s) Reloading rate (seconds)
Mode Capacity (Belt) Fire rate Vertical Horizontal Stabilizer Stock Upgraded Full Expert Aced Stock Full Expert Aced
Arcade 1,200 (300) 650 -8°/+85° ±180° - 70.4 97.5 118.4 130.9 139.3 39.00 34.50 31.80 30.00
Realistic 47.6 56.0 68.0 75.2 80.0

Ammunition

  • Default: SAP-I · HEI-T*
  • 30x170 HE-I-T: HEI-T* · HEI* · HEI* · SAP-I
  • 30x170 APHE-I: SAP-I · SAP-I · SAP-I · HEI-T*
  • 30x170 APDS-T: SAP-I · APDS · SAP-I · HEI-T*

Penetration statistics
Ammunition Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
SAP-I 53 50 39 29 21 16
HEI-T* 9 8 7 5 4 4
HEI* 9 8 7 5 4 4
APDS 110 101 95 69 52 41
Shell details
Ammunition Velocity
(m/s) 		Projectile
mass (kg) 		Fuse delay
(m) 		Fuse sensitivity
(mm) 		Explosive mass
(TNT equivalent) (g) 		Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
SAP-I 1,080 0.36 1.2 9 30.6 47° 56° 65°
HEI-T* 1,080 0.36 0.1 0.1 85 79° 80° 81°
HEI* 1,080 0.36 0.1 0.1 102 79° 80° 81°
APDS 1,175 0.3 - - - 75° 78° 80°

Ammo racks

Ammo racks of the AMX-30 S DCA
Full
ammo 		Ammo
type 		1st
rack empty 		Visual
discrepancy
4
1,200 		Clips
Rounds 		0 (+4) Yes

Notes:

  • Ammunition is divided into 4 clips of 300 rounds.
  • The visual discrepancy concerns the number of clips: 4 clips can be fired but only 2 are modeled.

Radars

Main articles: DR-VC-1A, Albis

The AMX-30 DCA is equipped with a DR-VC-1A combined search and tracking radar. The radar is located at the rear of the turret and can be folded. The radar system but can only track targets within a 200° arc from the front of the turret.

DR-VC-1A - Target Detection Radar
Maximum
Detection
Range 		Minimum
Detection
Range 		Max Azimuth
Scan Angle 		Max Elevation
Scan Angle 		Minimum
relative speed
15,000 m 1,000 m 360° 45° 15 m/s (54 km/h)
Albis - Target Tracking Radar
Maximum
Tracking
Range 		Minimum
Tracking
Range 		Azimuth Tracking
Angle 		Elevation Tracking
Angle 		Minimum
target speed
15,000 m 75 m ±100° -20°/+85° 15 m/s (54 km/h)
  • Note: lead indicator shows up within 4km

Usage in battles

Anti-Air

Ideally, you should be in a place with horizontal cover against tanks and a wide field of view. Use the radar to spot incoming enemy aircraft. Lock onto the target within 4-5 kilometers in order to keep track of it, making sure to not fire.

For larger 2-4 engined aircraft, firing at 3 km may be effective. However, more agile single-engined fighters and most jet aircraft will be easily able to dodge incoming fire, meaning that you should wait until they close to 2 km before firing.

Fire in short bursts of 10-50 rounds each to avoid overheating and ammunition shortage. Moving the aim point around during the burst may help to disperse shots and increase hit probability, as even a single 30 mm HEI shell is deadly to most aircraft.

Keep in mind that the tracking radar does not work well at low altitudes, and will periodically stop tracking a target in order to scan for more incoming planes.

Anti-Tank

If forced into an anti-tank role, the AMX-30 DCA should be played as a support vehicle. With only 53 mm of penetration stock, it is unable to kill anything but IFVs and other SPAA. However, the 30 mm API and HEI rounds are incredibly potent at destroying tracks and damaging barrels, enabling you to assist teammates in killing tanks.

If facing enemy tanks alone, make sure that they are isolated before attempting to disable them.

Ideally, the enemy should be unaware of you and be flat-on (i.e perpendicular). From there, check to see if your belt has enough penetration to overcome his side armour. If it does, aim to take out his gun first (shoot directly below the turret), then his crew (driver's compartment, any survivors in the turret).

  • Note that most Soviet MBTS like the T-55 or T-62 have 80 mm of side armour, meaning that they should be avoided when stock
  • Other notable opponents include the M60 and Chieftain series of tanks, as they too have enough side armour to protect against the stock belt.

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Fast rate of fire, generally 50-100 RPM higher compared to other 30-35 mm gun SPAA
  • The placement of the three crew members makes taking out the whole crew next to impossible with one shot
  • Hull front of AMX-30 can sometimes block or deflect APHE
  • Very fast considering its hull armour level, unlike the Chieftain Marksman
  • Double or even triple the amount of ammunition, when compared to other 30-35 mm gun SPAA
  • Gun arrangement makes it much easier to use against ground targets than the Gepard-style SPAAs
  • Has radar, unlike some SPAA like the Falcon and M163
  • Stock belts chew through lightly armoured medium tanks like the Leopard I series and light tanks like the BMP series
  • Access to smoke grenades and ESS
  • Night vision is available - no thermals however
  • Extremely deadly to enemy ground vehicles in flanking manoeuvres

Cons:

  • Can only take out light and sometimes medium tanks due to the small size of its guns
  • Lightly armoured turret, with ammunition being very vulnerable to direct attacks
  • Gun placement makes firing over ridges and hiding behind cover awkward
  • Slow acceleration (when stock) and lack of neutral steering hinders responsiveness
  • Reloading the guns, switching ammunition belts or clearing jammed guns takes over a minute to complete, leaving you vulnerable and out of the action for a very, very long time

History

The development of the AMX-30 DCA (also known as the AMX-30SA) began in the year 1969 and it was derived from the AMX-13 DCA, a similar system produced for the French army. While the AMX-30 DCA was made for the French Army, it was also made for export and in the end, none of the DCA's were ordered by the French army. Instead, Saudi Arabia ordered an improved version in the 1975, called the AMX-30SA which included the SA-10 Shaline missiles.

It was developed to be used against low-flying aircraft and low-altitude attacks with its two Hispano-Suiza 30 mm 831 A automatic guns coupled to an Oeil-noir fire control system. This system had already been installed on the AMX-13, in lieu of a heavier chassis, using a turret designated the S 401 A. Although this vehicle began production in the year 1962, the introduction of the AMX-30 meant that the S 401 A turret could be mounted onto a much larger chassis which improved the agility of the vehicle. It also provided a much more stable platform and with double the ammo capacity of 1,200 rounds instead of the 600 that the AMX-13 could carry.

The guns were designed to shoot in bursts of 5 rounds, or even 15 rounds per burst with the cyclic rate of fire of 650 rounds a minute. They were controlled by an analogue computer that received information from a Doppler radar, which could be folded into an armoured box when not in use to protect from damage. The fire control depended on visual tracking, meaning it could not be used in night time.

Media

Skins
Videos
How To Basic SPAA feat. AMX-30 DCA - Napalmratte

See also

Related development
Other vehicles of similar configuration and role

External links


Ateliers de construction d'Issy-les-Moulineaux (AMX)
Light tanks 
AMX-13  AMX-13-M24 · AMX-13 (FL11) · AMX-13 · AMX-13 (SS.11) · AMX-13-90 · AMX-13 (HOT)
Armoured cars  AMX-10RC
Medium tanks  AMX M4 · AMX-50 (TOA100)
MBTs 
AMX-30  AMX-30 · AMX-30 ACRA · AMX-30 (1972) · AMX-30B2 · AMX-30B2 BRENUS · AMX-30 Super
AMX-32/40  AMX-32 (105) · AMX-32 · AMX-40
Heavy tanks  AMX-50 Surbaissé · AMX-50 Surblindé
Tank destroyers  ELC bis · AMX-50 Foch
SPAAGs  AMX-13 DCA 40 · AMX-30 S DCA
Export  AMX-13

France anti-aircraft vehicles
Wheeled/Half-tracked  P.7.T AA · CCKW 353 AA · TPK 6.41
AMX-13 Derivatives  VTT DCA · AMX-13 DCA 40
Radar SPAAG  AMX-30 S DCA
Missile SPAA  SANTAL · Roland 1 · ▄ItO 90M
Other  AMX-10P

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