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AMX-50 Surblindé

AMX-50 Surblindé

France

V Rank

Battle rating:

AB	RB	SB
7.7	7.7	7.7

Class:

Heavy tank

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Description

At the end of WWII, France found itself dependant on foreign military aid, and rushed to develop its military with domestic aircraft, tanks, and other weaponry. One of these systems was a heavy tank comparable to existing tanks such as the Tiger II and IS-2, but with greater mobility and more reliability. The AMX-50 Surblindé was thus presented in 1955, a variant of the AMX-50 with increased armour. The project however was abandoned due to lack of funding and cooperation with the United States and West Germany, as well as the accelerated development of deadlier anti-tank weaponry.

It was introduced in Update 1.89 "Imperial Navy" as a reward for the World War Season 1: Recon under fire. As a member of the French AMX-50 family of tanks, it is very similar to the AMX-50 Surbaissé. Compared to the Surbaissé, it is lower, has a much better protected turret and hull, and a 20 mm MG 151 cannon on top, which is very efficient against aircraft and lightly armoured vehicles. It is also heavier and doesn't have smoke grenade launchers compared to the Surbaissé. The tank has an armour layout comparable to that of the IS-3, and features a very powerful cannon and decent mobility for a heavy tank, however it does not have access to APHE shells which are common in most tanks around its BR.

General info

Survivability and armour

Armourfront / side / back

Hull110 / 60 / 60

Turret105 / 60 / 20

Crew4 people

Visibility214 %

Armour type:

Rolled homogeneous armour (hull, suspended part of the turret, turret roof)
Cast homogeneous armour (turret base and front, gun mantlet, driver's hatch, cupola, exhaust pipe cover)

Armour	Front (Slope angle)	Sides	Rear	Roof
Hull	110 mm (48°) Front glacis 50 mm (71°) Driver's hatch 100 mm (59°) Lower glacis 100 mm (40°) Front cheeks	75 mm (12°) Top 60 mm Bottom	60 mm (1°) Upper plate 60 mm (31°) Lower glacis	30 mm 5 mm Radiator vents
Turret	85 mm (47-52°) Turret front 100 mm (cylindrical) Turret base 300 mm Barrel base	100 mm (cylindrical) Turret base 85 mm (cylindrical) Barrel base 60 mm Turret pivot link 40 mm (cylindrical) Turret pivot underside 40 mm Suspended part 30 mm (72°) Suspended part underside	20 mm (1-34°) Suspended part 40 mm (cylindrical) Turret pivot underside 30 mm (78°) Suspended part underside	20 mm
Commander cupola	110 mm (cylindrical) Base 40 mm (spherical) Dome	40 mm (7-12°)		40 mm (11-20°) 40 mm (spherical) Dome
MG cupola	40 mm (58-61°)	40 mm (spherical)		40 mm (2-32°)

Notes:

Suspension wheels are 15 mm thick while tracks are 30 mm thick. Suspension wheels are interleaved and thus overlap in some areas.
Hull undersides above tracks are 20 mm thick.

Mobility

Speedforward / back

AB55 / 7 km/h

RB and SB52 / 6 km/h

Number of gears5 forward

1 back

Weight70.0 t

Engine power

AB1 908 hp

RB and SB1 000 hp

Power-to-weight ratio

AB27.3 hp/t

RB and SB14.3 hp/t

Game Mode	Max Speed (km/h)		Weight (tons)	Engine power (horsepower)		Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Game Mode	Forward	Reverse	Weight (tons)	Stock	Upgraded	Stock	Upgraded
Arcade	55	7	70	1,291	1,908	18.44	27.26
Realistic	52	6	70	884	1,000	12.63	14.29

The AMX-50 Surblinde has a very good speed (around 40 km/h on flat land when fully upgraded) for a super heavy tank, which allows a fast deployment on the battlefield aside medium and modern tanks. The manoeuvrability is also good and allows the player to drive easily in an urban environment.

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference

AB5 743 → 7 247

RB6 082 → 7 675

SB9 678 → 12 213

Total cost of modifications97 300

165 400

Talisman cost2 200

Crew training98 000

Experts340 000

Aces1 300

Research Aces780 000

Reward for battleAB / RB / SB

150 / 210 / 250 %

202 / 202 / 202 %

Modifications

Mobility

Protection

Firepower

Tracks Research: 6 800 Cost: 11 000 210
Suspension Research: 5 700 Cost: 9 100 175	Brake System Research: 5 700 Cost: 9 100 175
Filters Research: 8 500 Cost: 14 000 260
Transmission Research: 11 000 Cost: 18 000 340	Engine Research: 11 000 Cost: 18 000 340

Improved Parts

Research:

4 400

Cost:

11 000

210

Improved FPE

Research:

3 700

Cost:

9 100

175

Crew Replenishment

Research:

8 500

Cost:

14 000

260

Horizontal Drive

Research:

6 800

Cost:

11 000

210

Adjustment of Fire

Research:

5 700

Cost:

9 100

175

Elevation Mechanism

Research:

8 500

Cost:

14 000

260

Rangefinder

Research:

11 000

Cost:

18 000

340

Armaments

Main armament

120 mm SA46 cannon

Autoloader

Automatically feeds projectiles into the breech. The speed does not depend on the skills of the loader

Ammunition50 rounds

First-order19 rounds

Reload6.0 s

Vertical guidance-6° / 10°

Main article: SA46 (120 mm)

120 mm SA46					Turret rotation speed (°/s)					Reloading rate (seconds)
Mode	Capacity	Vertical	Horizontal	Stabilizer	Stock	Upgraded	Full	Expert	Aced	Autoloader
Arcade	50	-6°/+10°	±180°	N/A	19.4	26.9	32.6	36.1	38.4	6.00
Realistic	50	-6°/+10°	±180°	N/A	14.3	16.8	20.4	22.6	24.0	6.00

Ammunition

Penetration statistics
Ammunition	Type of warhead	Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
Ammunition	Type of warhead	10 m	100 m	500 m	1,000 m	1,500 m	2,000 m
120 mm Obus de rupture	APBC	301	298	286	272	258	245
120 mm Obus explosif	HE	39	39	39	39	39	39

Shell details
Ammunition	Type of warhead	Velocity (m/s)	Projectile mass (kg)	Fuse delay (m)	Fuse sensitivity (mm)	Explosive mass (TNT equivalent) (kg)	Ricochet
Ammunition	Type of warhead	Velocity (m/s)	Projectile mass (kg)	Fuse delay (m)	Fuse sensitivity (mm)	Explosive mass (TNT equivalent) (kg)	0%	50%	100%
120 mm Obus de rupture	APBC	1,067	23.1	-	-	-	47°	60°	65°
120 mm Obus explosif	HE	762	22.84	0	0.1	4.65	79°	80°	81°

Ammo racks

Ammo racks of the AMX-50 Surblinde

Full ammo	1st rack empty	2nd rack empty	3rd rack empty	4th rack empty	5th rack empty	6th rack empty	7th rack empty	8th rack empty	Visual discrepancy
50	47 (+3)	43 (+7)	39 (+11)	34 (+16)	29 (+21)	23 (+27)	19 (+31)	1 (+49)	Yes

Notes:

Shells are modeled individually and disappear after having been shot or loaded.
The visual discrepancy concerns the crossed out shell: it is modeled but can't be fired.
Rack 8 (autoloader magazine) is a first stage ammo rack. It totals 18 shells.
- This rack gets filled first when loading up the tank and is also emptied first.
- As the AMX-50 Surblinde is equipped with an autoloader, manual reloading of the gun is not possible.
- Once the autoloader magazines have been depleted, you can't shoot until the loader has restocked the autoloader. The restocking time is longer than the normal reload time of the gun. Take this into account when playing.
- Simply not firing when the gun is loaded will move ammo from racks 1 to 7 into rack 8. Firing will interrupt the restocking of the ready racks.
- The depletion order at full capacity is: 8 - 1 - 2 up to 7.

Machine guns

20 mm MG151/20 cannon

Ammunition500 rounds

Belt capacity250 rounds

Reload10.0 s

Fire rate701 shots/min

Vertical guidance-17° / 63°

7.5 mm MAC 31 machine gun (coaxial)

Ammunition3 000 rounds

Belt capacity150 rounds

Reload5.0 s

Fire rate551 shots/min

Main articles: MG 151 (20 mm), MAC 31 (7.5 mm)

20 mm MG 151
Mount	Capacity (Belt)	Fire rate	Vertical	Horizontal
Pintle	500 (250)	700	-5°/+80°	±180°

7.5 mm MAC 31
Mount	Capacity (Belt)	Fire rate	Vertical	Horizontal
Coaxial	3,000 (150)	551	N/A	N/A

Usage in battles

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Pros and cons

Pros:

Powerful 120 mm gun, a shot can penetrate a target protected by 300 mm of armour
Loading time is short and steady, thanks to the autoloader
Very mobile for a super-heavy tank, being able to reach to 51 km/h on flat terrain
20 mm cannon to ward off low-flying aircraft

Cons:

One shot in the turret can make the tank explode: up to 18 shells are stored at the back of the turret
No smoke grenades
Shells lack explosive filler, one-hit knock-outs from the side are rare

History

Start of the project

In July 1945, in the aftermath of liberation, the general staff of the French armed forces expressed the need for a heavy tank of national design. In view of the rise of tensions with the USSR and with the balance sheets drawn from the last world conflict, the French Army presented a precise specification of what was to be the future main tank of the army. The tank was to be comparable on several points to already existing machines. Indeed, it was requested armament of a minimum power equivalent to the gun of 88 mm German Tiger II. It was also asked for a shield equivalent to that of the Panther and mobility close to that of the T-34.

The AMX-50 Surblindé

In 1955, an AMX 50 Surblindé (over-armoured) is produced, able to measure itself against the most powerful machines then in service. A variant of the AMX-50 Surbaissé with a reinforced armour, the front armour shape is inspired by Soviet tanks IS-3 or T10. The weight of this prototype reached about 60 tons.

Abandonment of the project

The tests carried out indicated a tank superior to its American and Soviet counterparts that were M26 Pershing and IS-3 respectively. But the Americans did not want to finance a project that would not be adopted. It was, therefore, necessary that the two countries, France and West Germany, adopt the tank so that its development continues. If France seemed ready to accept the project, it was not the case of West Germany which was inspired by the doctrines of the former general Heinz Guderian, a supporter of lighter and faster tanks. In addition, the development of new technologies and capabilities in the field of missiles and hollow-shell shells would render the massive tank armour obsolete and unsuitable for future large-scale conflict.

Media

Skins

Skins and camouflages for the AMX-50 Surblinde from live.warthunder.com.

External links

[Devblog] AMX-50 Surblindé: French Powerlifter

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+{{About
+|about= French heavy tank '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
+|usage= other versions
+|link= AMX-50 (Family)
+}}
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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a gift rank {{Specs|rank}} French heavy tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.89 "Imperial Navy"]] and has the distinction of being the first gift vehicle of the French tech trees. Member of the French AMX-50 tanks family, it is very similar to the [[AMX-50 Surbaissé|'''AMX-50 Surbaissé''']]. Compared to it, it is lower, has a more protected turret armour and has a 20mm MG 151 canon at the top, which is very efficient against aircraft and lightly armoured targets. Anyway, it is also heavier and hasn't smoke grenades launchers compared to the Surbaissé.
+At the end of WWII, France found itself dependant on foreign military aid, and rushed to develop its military with domestic aircraft, tanks, and other weaponry. One of these systems was a heavy tank comparable to existing tanks such as the Tiger II and IS-2, but with greater mobility and more reliability. The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was thus presented in 1955, a variant of the AMX-50 with increased armour. The project however was abandoned due to lack of funding and cooperation with the United States and West Germany, as well as the accelerated development of deadlier anti-tank weaponry.
-It could be obtained as the highest reward of the first season "Recon under Fire" of the [[World War|World War mode]], but can also be bought on the [[War Thunder Market]].
+It was introduced in [[Update 1.89 "Imperial Navy"]] as a reward for the World War [[Season 1: Recon under fire]]. As a member of the French AMX-50 family of tanks, it is very similar to the [[AMX-50 Surbaisse|AMX-50 Surbaissé]]. Compared to the Surbaissé, it is lower, has a much better protected turret and hull, and a 20 mm MG 151 cannon on top, which is very efficient against aircraft and lightly armoured vehicles. It is also heavier and doesn't have smoke grenade launchers compared to the Surbaissé. The tank has an armour layout comparable to that of the IS-3, and features a very powerful cannon and decent mobility for a heavy tank, however it does not have access to APHE shells which are common in most tanks around its BR.
 == General info ==
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 |-
-! colspan="5" | [[SA46 (120 mm)|120 mm SA46]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
+! colspan="5" | [[SA46 (120 mm)|120 mm SA46]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || Reloading rate (seconds)
 |-
 ! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
 ! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
-! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
+!Autoloader
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 ! ''Arcade''
-| rowspan="2" | 50 || rowspan="2" | -6°/+10° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 19.4 || 26.9 || 32.6 || 36.1 || 38.4 || rowspan="2" | 6.00 || rowspan="2" | 6.00 || rowspan="2" | 6.00 || rowspan="2" | 6.00
+| rowspan="2" | 50 || rowspan="2" | -6°/+10° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 19.4 || 26.9 || 32.6 || 36.1 || 38.4 || rowspan="2" | 6.00
 |-
 ! ''Realistic''
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 ==== Ammunition ====
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
+{{:SA46 (120 mm)/Ammunition|120 mm Obus de rupture, 120 mm Obus explosif}}
-! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
-|-
-! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
-! rowspan="2" | Type of<br>warhead
-! colspan="6" | Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
-|-
-! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
-|-
-| 120 mm Obus de rupture || APBC || 301 || 298 || 286 || 272 || 258 || 245
-|-
-| 120 mm Obus explosif || HE || 39 || 39 || 39 || 39 || 39 || 39
-|-
-|}
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
-! colspan="10" | Shell details
-|-
-! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
-! rowspan="2" | Type of<br>warhead
-! rowspan="2" | Velocity<br>(m/s)
-! rowspan="2" | Projectile<br>Mass (kg)
-! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay<br>(m)
-! rowspan="2" | Fuse sensitivity<br>(mm)
-! rowspan="2" | Explosive Mass<br>(TNT equivalent) (g)
-! colspan="3" | Ricochet
-|-
-! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
-|-
-| 120 mm Obus de rupture || APBC || 1,067 || 23.1 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 47° || 60° || 65°
-|-
-| 120 mm Obus explosif || HE || 762 || 22.84 || 0 || 0.1 || 4,650 || 79° || 80° || 81°
-|-
-|}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
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 '''Pros:'''
-* Powerful 120 mm gun, a shot can pen a target protected with an armour of about 300 mm
+* Powerful 120 mm gun, a shot can penetrate a target protected by 300 mm of armour
-* Loading time is very short (6.0s), thanks to the autoloader
+* Loading time is short and steady, thanks to the autoloader
-* Probably the most mobile super-heavy tank of the game, a careful commander can perform
+* Very mobile for a super-heavy tank, being able to reach to 51 km/h on flat terrain
-* Very fast, can reach to 51 km/h on flat terrain
+* 20 mm cannon to ward off low-flying aircraft
 '''Cons:'''
 * One shot in the turret can make the tank explode: up to 18 shells are stored at the back of the turret
+* No smoke grenades
+* Shells lack explosive filler, one-hit knock-outs from the side are rare
 == History ==
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 In July 1945, in the aftermath of liberation, the general staff of the French armed forces expressed the need for a heavy tank of national design. In view of the rise of tensions with the USSR and with the balance sheets drawn from the last world conflict, the French Army presented a precise specification of what was to be the future main tank of the army. The tank was to be comparable on several points to already existing machines. Indeed, it was requested armament of a minimum power equivalent to the gun of 88 mm German Tiger II. It was also asked for a shield equivalent to that of the Panther and mobility close to that of the T-34.
-=== The AMX-50 ''Surblindé'' ===
+=== The AMX-50 Surblindé ===
-In 1955, an AMX 50 ''Surblindé'' (over-armoured) is produced, able to measure itself against the most powerful machines then in service. A variant of the [[AMX-50 Surbaissé|AMX-50 ''Surbaissé'']] with a reinforced armour, the front armour shape is inspired by Russian tanks IS-3 or T10. The weight of this prototype reached about 60 tons.
+In 1955, an AMX 50 Surblindé (over-armoured) is produced, able to measure itself against the most powerful machines then in service. A variant of the [[AMX-50 Surbaissé]] with a reinforced armour, the front armour shape is inspired by Soviet tanks IS-3 or T10. The weight of this prototype reached about 60 tons.
 === Abandonment of the project ===
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 == Media ==
-''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''
+<!-- ''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.'' -->
+;Skins
+* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=fr_amx_50_surblinde Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
 == See also ==
-''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
+<!-- ''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
 * ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
-* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
+* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->
+;Related development
+* [[AMX-50 (Family)]]
 == External links ==
 <!-- ''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
 * ''topic on the official game forum;''
-* ''encyclopedia page on the tank;''
 * ''other literature.'' -->
 * [[wt:en/news/6186-development-amx-50-surblind%C3%A9-french-powerlifter-en|[Devblog] AMX-50 Surblindé: French Powerlifter]]
+{{TankManufacturer AMX}}
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Difference between revisions of "AMX-50 Surblinde"

Latest revision as of 02:36, 17 April 2024

Contents

Description

General info

Survivability and armour

Mobility

Modifications and economy

Armaments

Main armament

Ammunition

Ammo racks

Machine guns

Usage in battles

Pros and cons

History

Start of the project

The AMX-50 Surblindé

Abandonment of the project

Media

See also

External links