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This page is about the French heavy tank 2C. For the other version, see 2C bis.
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2C
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Description

The Char 2C is a French heavy tank that was eventually designated as a super-heavy tank. It was developed during World War I but did not enter service until after the war was over. In terms of overall volume or physical dimensions, it was the largest operational tank ever built during World War I. The Char 2C was the first super-heavy tank to enter service; purposely designed to be significantly larger than conventional tanks at the time. When fully equipped, the Char 2C weighed 69 tonnes, due in part to its armour, which was among the thickest of World War I tanks, but also to its vast size. The tank required a crew of twelve to operate: a driver, commander, gunner, loader, four machine gunners, a mechanic, electrician, assistant-electrician/mechanic, and a radio operator. Some sources suggest thirteen, most likely on the basis of photos of crews that probably included the company commander.

Introduced in Update "Sky Guardians", the Char 2C should be utilized as a breakthrough tank since it is too slow to flank and has a low muzzle velocity main armament to engage distant targets. Its ammunition is powerful enough to knock out practically anything at close range, making it perfect for open-topped and lightly armoured vehicles. Despite its strong on-paper statistics, the Char 2C will struggle to penetrate other heavy tanks. Light tanks from the enemy are equally lethal. They may easily flank around the battlefield and engage you when you are not expecting it due to their great speed. To avoid being isolated and overrun by adversaries, it is critical to always be close to teammates.

General info

Survivability and armour

Armourfront / side / back
Hull45 / 22 / 22
Turret35 / 35 / 35
Crew12 people
Visibility750 %

Armour protection is mediocre, at best. The frontal armour will do little to stop standard guns like the American 37 mm or the Soviet 45 mm, and the sides are vulnerable to autocannons or even the infamous M2 Browning at close ranges. What you do have, however, is a whopping 12 crewmen, which means that even if your main crew has been disintegrated, you are still in the fight as long as you don't get ammo-racked.

Armour type:

  • Rolled homogeneous armour (hull, turret)
  • Cast homogeneous armour (gun mantlet, cupolas)
Armour Front (Slope angle) Sides Rear Roof
Hull 45 mm Upper plate
22 mm (69°) Upper glacis
45 mm Lower plate
15 mm (65°) Lower glacis
45 mm (spherical) Machine gun port
38.1 mm Turret ring
22 mm Upper compartment
22 mm Lower compartment
38.1 mm Turret ring
15 mm (62-63°) Upper glacis
22 mm Lower plate
22 mm (21°) Front glacis
13 mm Crew compartment
10 Engine vents
15 mm (28°) Rear glacis
Turret 35 mm (17°) Turret front
35 mm (cylindrical) Gun mantlet
35 mm (15-17°) 35 mm (17°)
30 mm (18°) Hatch
10 mm (76-87°)
Rear turret 22 mm (11°) Turret front
22 mm (cylindrical) Gun mantlet
22 mm (11°) 22 mm (11°)
30 mm (11°) Hatch
22 mm (56-67)
Cupolas 22 mm (0-37°) 22 mm (0-37°) 22 mm (0-37°) 22 mm (66-88°)

Notes:

  • Tracks are 20 mm thick and suspension wheels are 15 mm thick.
  • Side skirts are 10 mm thick (2 layers) + 22 mm (2 layers).
  • Suspensions are 10 mm thick.
  • Engine maintenance doors are 15 mm thick.
  • Belly armour is 15 mm thick at the back and the front and 10 mm thick in the centre.

Mobility

Reverse gearbox
Forward and backward movement is possible at the same maximum speed
Speedforward / back
AB16 / 16 km/h
RB and SB16 / 16 km/h
Number of gears5 forward
5 back
Weight70.0 t
Engine power
AB954 hp
RB and SB500 hp
Power-to-weight ratio
AB13.6 hp/t
RB and SB7.1 hp/t

The mobility of the 2C is sluggish; you will have little chance capturing points at the start. The 2C does have an electric transmission, giving it the benefit of being able to quickly reverse from a bad situation instead of needing to turn 180 degrees like most tanks.

Game Mode Max Speed (km/h) Weight (tons) Engine power (horsepower) Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Forward Reverse Stock Upgraded Stock Upgraded
Arcade 16 16 70 646 954 9.23 13.63
Realistic 16 16 442 500 6.31 7.14

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference
AB954 → 1 180 Sl icon.png
RB943 → 1 166 Sl icon.png
SB1 233 → 1 525 Sl icon.png
Total cost of modifications8 460 Rp icon.png
9 580 Sl icon.png
Talisman cost640 Ge icon.png
Crew training4 500 Sl icon.png
Experts16 000 Sl icon.png
Aces160 Ge icon.png
Research Aces190 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
40 / 60 / 70 % Sl icon.png
118 / 118 / 118 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Mobility Protection Firepower
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Tracks
Research:
560 Rp icon.png
Cost:
630 Sl icon.png
75 Ge icon.png
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Suspension
Research:
470 Rp icon.png
Cost:
530 Sl icon.png
65 Ge icon.png
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Brake System
Research:
470 Rp icon.png
Cost:
530 Sl icon.png
65 Ge icon.png
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Filters
Research:
700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
790 Sl icon.png
95 Ge icon.png
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Transmission
Research:
1 400 Rp icon.png
Cost:
1 600 Sl icon.png
190 Ge icon.png
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Engine
Research:
1 400 Rp icon.png
Cost:
1 600 Sl icon.png
190 Ge icon.png
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Improved Parts
Research:
560 Rp icon.png
Cost:
630 Sl icon.png
75 Ge icon.png
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Improved FPE
Research:
470 Rp icon.png
Cost:
530 Sl icon.png
65 Ge icon.png
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Crew Replenishment
Research:
700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
790 Sl icon.png
95 Ge icon.png
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Horizontal Drive
Research:
560 Rp icon.png
Cost:
630 Sl icon.png
75 Ge icon.png
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Adjustment of Fire
Research:
470 Rp icon.png
Cost:
530 Sl icon.png
65 Ge icon.png
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Elevation Mechanism
Research:
700 Rp icon.png
Cost:
790 Sl icon.png
95 Ge icon.png

Armaments

Main armament

75 mm APX Canon de 75 mm modèle 1897 cannon
Ammunition128 rounds
Reloadbasic crew → aces
7.2 → 5.5 s
Vertical guidance-20° / 20°
Horizontal guidance-140° / 140°

The 75 mm, despite looking impressive, is best attributed as lackluster, even underpowered. Your penetration is on par with German short 75 mm guns, but unlike the German versions, the 2C's gun only has access to its basic APHE round and a HE round. There is no HEAT shells available to counter Matilda or Churchill tanks, and you will suffer against M4 Shermans without proper support. Even the reload rate is inferior, with 5.5 seconds at max crew where pre-F2 Pz.IVs can already achieve about 4 seconds out of the box.

75 mm APX Canon de 75 mm modèle 1897 Turret rotation speed (°/s) Reloading rate (seconds)
Mode Capacity Vertical Horizontal Stabilizer Stock Upgraded Full Expert Aced Stock Full Expert Aced
Arcade 128 ±20° ±140° - 8.1 11.2 13.6 15.0 16.0 7.15 6.32 5.83 5.50
Realistic 5.9 7.0 8.5 9.4 10.0

Ammunition

Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
10 m 100 m 500 m 1,000 m 1,500 m 2,000 m
Mle1900 HE 11 11 11 11 11 11
Mle1916 APHE 55 54 49 43 37 33
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
(m/s)
Projectile
mass (kg)
Fuse delay
(m)
Fuse sensitivity
(mm)
Explosive mass
(TNT equivalent) (g)
Ricochet
0% 50% 100%
Mle1900 HE 500 5.3 0 0.1 695 79° 80° 81°
Mle1916 APHE 500 7.2 1.2 14 285 47° 60° 65°

Ammo racks

Ammo racks of the 2C
Full
ammo
1st
rack empty
2nd
rack empty
3rd
rack empty
4th
rack empty
5th
rack empty
6th
rack empty
Visual
discrepancy
128 97 (+31) 67 (+61) 61 (+67) 55 (+73) 28 (+100) (+127) No

Machine guns

2 x 8 mm Hotchkiss Mle 1914 machine gun
Ammunition10 000 rounds
Belt capacity250 rounds
Reloadbasic crew → aces
6.5 → 5.0 s
Fire rate450 shots/min

The two machine guns on the 2C are of dubious utility. The front one has limited traverse arcs by virtue of being bow-mounted, so its use is limited to whatever you point your tank towards. The rear turret is of more doubtful use, however, as it cannot fire to the front and, being a normal MG, lacks the power to damage anything short of open-tops.

8 mm Hotchkiss Mle 1914
Mount Capacity (Belt) Fire rate Vertical Horizontal
Bow 5,000 (150) 600 rpm __° __°
Rear turret 5,000 (150) ___ __° __°

Usage in battles

The char 2C should be used as a breakthrough tank, it is too slow to flank and has not enough penetration to shoot from afar. Its APHE shell has enough penetration to knock out almost anything at close range with its 285 g of TNT, making it ideal against open-topped vehicles, Panzer IIIs and IVs. Your greatest enemies will be high-calibre howitzers (SU-122, Ho-Ro, 15cm sIG 33 B Sfl, etc.): you should always avoid direct confrontation with them. In an uptier, the Char 2C will struggle penetrating heavy tanks like the Matilda III. Despite its slow speed, the Char 2C performs well on open maps like Normandy.

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Neutral steering gives the tank decent reflex mobility
  • Can climb over rough terrain with ease due to its World War I design
  • Reverse gearbox lets you pull out quickly of dangerous situations
  • Has a dozen crew members, highly survivable
  • Flank attacks from behind are easily shrugged off due to containing no essential crew
  • Large unoccupied zones, can absorb shells

Cons:

  • Awfully slow top speed
  • Armour is mediocre at best, very vulnerable to high calibre HE or autocannons
  • Limited turret traverse, very prone to flanking
  • Poor elevation and depression angles
  • Extremely large, easily spotted and hit

History

The FCM 2C was a French "super heavy" tank designed to conquer the "no man's land" of WW1. It was dimensionally the largest tank ever produced, and for a time the heaviest. Ready for production by February 1918, the war ended before any of the vehicles were completed, and so the order of 300 was eventually reduced to just 10, finished in 1921. The standard 2C mounted a 75 mm APX 1897 field gun, similar to the cannon which would be mounted on the M3 GMC tank destroyer. The 2C had many innovative design features for the time, including a hybrid drive, leaf spring suspension, the world's first three-man turret, and stroboscopic cupolas. All of the 2Cs were named after ancient regions of France.

One 2C, No. 99 "Champagne", was given a new two-man cast turret with a 155 mm howitzer. The commander was given his own compartment behind the turret. The side machine gun ports were also removed. This variant would be known as the 2C bis. Eventually, Champagne would be returned to its original configuration and its turret would be used as a makeshift static emplacement in the Mareth Line. Champagne would be the only 2C to survive the invasion of France, with the other nine tanks either being scuttled by their own crew to prevent capture, or breaking down.

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See also

Related development:

Vehicles of similar design and role:

External links

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  • other literature.


Société Nouvelle des Forges et Chantiers de la Méditerranée (FCM)
Ships 
Destroyers 
Aigle-class  Vautour
Le Fantasque-class  Le Malin
Battleships 
Courbet-class  Paris
Tanks 
Light tank  FCM.36
Heavy tank  2C · 2C bis

France heavy tanks
B1  B1 bis · B1 ter
2C  2C · 2C bis
ARL-44  ARL-44 (ACL-1)
AMX-50  Somua SM · AMX-50 Surbaissé · AMX-50 Surblindé
USA  ▄M4A3E2