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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was a French prototype for a new self-propelled artillery piece, developed after WWII with the intent of providing France with a domestic artillery system. The prototypes were finished in the 1950s but never reached production. The vehicle was equipped with the Obusier de 155 mm Modèle 50 alongside a roof-mounted 20 mm autocannon for anti-aircraft defence. A new project emerged in the early 1950s, the Batignolles Chatillon 155 mm. The Lorraine 155 mm project was deemed to be redundant and all work on the project was discontinued.
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It was introduced in [[Update 1.77 "Advancing Storm"]] as a reward during the [[wt:en/news/5453-special-chronicles-of-world-war-ii-in-war-thunder-en|2018 WW2 Chronicles]]. The '''{{Specs|pseudonym}}''' is a very interesting self propelled artillery, featuring a 155 mm Howitzer at a relatively low BR, alongside a 20 mm autocannon that can be used to some extent against enemy tanks, but is especially useful against enemy aircraft. The biggest issue with this vehicle is the ability to be easily overpressured by enemy HE shells and the slow reload, with 20 seconds minimum using an aced crew.
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (shortened as '''{{Specs|pseudonym}}''') is a gift rank {{Specs|rank}} French tank destroyer {{Battle-rating|1}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.77 "Advancing Storm"]] during the 2018 [[WW2 Chronicles|World War Two Chronicles]].  
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
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The Lorraine 155 Mle.50 has very little armour (although some are sloped enough to deflect certain low-rank rounds), and can generally be penetrated by most guns of its rank. Even worse, however, the 'casemate' (if it can even be called that) has very little armour, and in some places can be shot through with machine guns. The commander (operating the 151) is completely open to the elements. Generally, you want to rely on good map placement and mobility, rather than armour.
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The {{PAGENAME}} has very little armour (although some are sloped enough to deflect certain low-calibre rounds), and can generally be penetrated by most guns of its rank. Even worse, however, the 'casemate' (if it can even be called that) has very little armour, and in some places can be shot through with machine guns. The machine-gunner (operating the 20 mm gun) is completely standing in the open. Generally, you want to rely on good map placement and mobility, rather than armour.
 
  
 
'''Armour type:'''
 
'''Armour type:'''
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* Rolled homogeneous armour
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* Rolled homogeneous armour (hull, superstructure)
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* Structural steel
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* Wheel (tires)
 
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* Structural steel (gun mount, gun breech, mudguards)
 
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{| class="wikitable"
 
{| class="wikitable"
 
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! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
 
! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
 
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| Hull || 16 mm (70°) ''Upper glacis - Top'' <br> 16 mm (60°) ''Upper glacis - Bottom'' <br> 16 mm (cylindrical) ''Transmission housing'' <br> 16 mm (73°) ''Lower glacis - Centre'' <br> 20 mm (31°) ''Lower glacis - Sides'' || 16 mm || 10 mm ''Upper plate'' <br> 10 mm (42°) ''Lower glacis'' || 16 mm (20°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 10 mm ''Centre & Rear'' <br> 10+10 mm ''Radiator vent covers''
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| Hull || 16 mm (70°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 16 mm (2-73°) ''Transmission housing'' || 16 mm || 10 mm (0-42°) || 10 mm
 
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| Superstructure || 16 mm (21°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 10 mm (cylindrical) ''Gun shield'' || 16 mm (30°) <br> 16 mm (21-48°) ''Left ammo rack bulge'' || 10 mm ''Sides'' || 10 mm
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| Superstructure || 16 mm (21°) ''Front'' <br> 10 mm ''Gun shield'' || 16 mm (30°) ''Right side'' <br> 16 mm (21-48°) ''Left side'' || 10 mm || 10 mm
 
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| Cupola || N/A || colspan="2" style="text-align:center" | 10 mm (cylindrical) || N/A
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! Armour !! Sides !! Roof
 
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| Cupola || 10 mm || N/A
 
|}
 
|}
 
'''Notes:'''
 
'''Notes:'''
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* Suspension wheels are 10 mm thick while tracks, sprocket wheels, torsion bars, and return rollers are 20 mm thick.
 
* Suspension wheels are 10 mm thick while tracks, sprocket wheels, torsion bars, and return rollers are 20 mm thick.
 
* Belly armour is 10 mm thick.
 
* Belly armour is 10 mm thick.
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* Gun breech is 150 mm thick, while the barrel itself is 25 mm.
 
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* Gun carriage around the gun is 20 mm thick, while the gun mount/traverse device is 40 mm thick.
 
  
 
=== Mobility ===
 
=== Mobility ===
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! colspan="3" | Mobility characteristic
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=== Modifications and economy ===
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! Weight (tons)
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{{Specs-Economy}}
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! colspan="1" | Add-on Armour<br>weight (tons)
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! colspan="1" | Max speed (km/h)
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| rowspan="2" | 28.0 || colspan="1" rowspan="2" | N/A || colspan="1" | 59 (AB)
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|55 (RB/SB)
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! colspan="3" | Engine power (horsepower)
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! colspan="1" | Mode
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!Stock
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!Upgraded
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|''Arcade''
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|639
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|787
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|''Realistic/Simulator''
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|398
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|450
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! colspan="3" | Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
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! colspan="1" | Mode
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!Stock
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!Upgraded
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|''Arcade''
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|22.82
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|28.11
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|''Realistic/Simulator''
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|14.21
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|16.07
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== Armaments ==
 
== Armaments ==
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{{Specs-Tank-Armaments}}
 
 
=== Main armament ===
 
=== Main armament ===
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{{main|L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950 howitzer (155 mm)|l1=L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950 (155 mm)}}
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! colspan="6" | [[L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950 howitzer (155 mm)|155 mm L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950]]
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! colspan="3" rowspan="1" style="width:5em" |Capacity
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! rowspan="1" | Vertical <br> guidance
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! rowspan="1" | Horizontal <br> guidance
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! rowspan="1" | Stabilizer
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| colspan="3" | 30 || -5°/+67° || ±20° || N/A
 
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! colspan="5" | [[L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950 (155 mm)|155 mm L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
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! colspan="6" | Turret rotation speed (°/s)
 
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! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
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! style="width:4em" |Mode
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! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
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! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
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! style="width:4em" |Upgraded
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! style="width:4em" |Prior + Full crew
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! style="width:4em" |Prior + Expert qualif.
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! style="width:4em" |Prior + Ace qualif.
 
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| rowspan="2" | 30 || rowspan="2" | -5°/+67° || rowspan="2" | ±20° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 5.3 || 7.3 || 8.9 || 9.8 || 10.5 || rowspan="2" | 26.00 || rowspan="2" | 23.00 || rowspan="2" | 21.20 || rowspan="2" | 20.00
 
 
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| ''Realistic'' || __.__ || __.__ || __.__ || __.__ || __.__
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| 3.6 || 4.2 || 5.1 || 5.6 || 6.0
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! colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
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! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Stock
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! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Full crew
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! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Expert qualif.
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! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Ace qualif.
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| 26.0 || __.__ || __.__ || __.__
 
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==== Ammunition ====
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{{:L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950 (155 mm)/Ammunition|M107, M110}}
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! colspan="8" | Penetration statistics
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! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
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! colspan="6" | '''Penetration''' '''''in mm''''' '''@ 0° Angle of Attack'''
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! 2000m
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| M107 || HE || 53 || 53 || 53 || 53 || 53 || 53
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! colspan="11" | Shell details
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! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
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! rowspan="2" class="unsortable" | Type of <br /> warhead
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! rowspan="2" |Velocity <br /> in m/s
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! rowspan="2" |Projectile<br />Mass in kg
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! rowspan="2" | ''Fuse delay''
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''in m:''
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! rowspan="2" | ''Fuse sensitivity''
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''in mm:''
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! rowspan="2" | ''Explosive Mass in g<br /> (TNT equivalent):''
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! rowspan="2" | ''Normalization At 30° <br> from horizontal:''
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! colspan="3" | ''Ricochet:''
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! 100%
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| M107 || HE || 563 || 41 || 0.1 || 0.5 || 6,620 || +0° || 79° || 80° || 81°
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! colspan="7" | Smoke characteristic
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! Ammunition
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! Velocity <br /> in m/s
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! Projectile<br />Mass in kg
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! ''Screen radius <br /> in m''
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! ''Screen time <br /> in s''
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! ''Screen hold time <br /> in s:''
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! ''Explosive Mass in g<br /> (TNT equivalent):''
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| M110 || 563 || 41 || 25 || 5 || 30 || 50
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |Full<br /> ammo
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! 4th<br>rack empty
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |6th<br /> rack empty
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! 7th<br>rack empty
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |Visual<br /> discrepancy
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! 8th<br>rack empty
 
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! Visual<br>discrepancy
 
 
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| '''30''' || 29&nbsp;''(+1)'' || 27&nbsp;''(+3)'' || 23&nbsp;''(+7)'' || 18&nbsp;''(+12)'' || 15&nbsp;''(+15)'' || 9&nbsp;''(+21)'' || 6&nbsp;''(+24)''|| 1&nbsp;''(+29)''|| Yes
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* Projectiles and propellant charges are modeled individually and disappear after having been shot or loaded.
 
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* The visual discrepancy concerns the total number of shells as well as the number of shells per rack:
 
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** 28 shells are modeled but you can pack 30 shells.
 
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** Rack 8 is modeled as 3 shells but contains 5 shells.
 
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* Recommended loadout: 9&nbsp;''(+21)'' shells. It keeps most ammunition in the floor and out of sponsons.
 
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{{Clear}}
 
 
=== Machine guns ===
 
=== Machine guns ===
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{{main|MG 151/20 (20 mm)}}
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{{main|MG 151 (20 mm)}}
 
  
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! colspan="5" | [[MG 151 (20 mm)|20 mm MG 151]]
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! colspan="7" | ''Commander's mount''
 
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! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
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! colspan="4" rowspan="1" style="width:5em" |Capacity (Belt capacity)
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! rowspan="1" | Fire rate <br> (shots/minute)
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! rowspan="1" | Vertical <br> guidance
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! rowspan="1" | Horizontal <br> guidance
 
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| Roof cupola || 500 (250) || 701 || -8°/+45° || ±180°
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| colspan="4" | 400 (250) || 700 || -8°/+45° || ±180°
 
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The roof-mounted MG 151 autocannon is very good at knocking out tracks, punching through lightly armoured vehicles and shooting down low-flying aircraft. Use it sparsely because of its low ammo count. When losing a crew member, the machine gunner is used to replace other crew members, meaning that you can't use the 20 mm cannon anymore.
 
  
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
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The best method of using the large-calibre weapon on the Lorraine is to exploit the high-explosive power against thin-armour on the enemy. Like other large calibre HE tanks, shooting below an enemy vehicle will penetrate its belly armour. This is an effective, albeit difficult way to engage tanks whose armour is greater than what your HE shell can penetrate.
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The best method of using the large-calibre weapon on the Loraine is to exploit the high-explosive power against thin-armour on the enemy. Like other large calibre HE tanks, shooting below an enemy vehicle will penetrate its belly armor. This is an effective, albeit difficult way to engage tanks whose armor is greater than what your HE shell can penetrate.
  
 
Some targets to keep in mind of, and their weak points:
 
Some targets to keep in mind of, and their weak points:
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* Tiger I - While seemingly a hard enemy to face, the Tiger is easily dispatched with a side shot. A hit to the roadwheels will penetrate the tank, with the shell fragments going through the thin armor on the underside of the tank's sponson. This is also possible to do to Tiger IIs, but usually results in much less damage done.
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* Tiger I - While seemingly a hard enemy to face, the Tiger is easily dispatched with a side shot. A hit to the roadwheels will penetrate the tank, with the shell fragments going through the thin armour on the underside of the tank's sponson. This is also possible to do to Tiger IIs, but usually results in much less damage done.
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* Tiger II P, Panthers D and A - a hit to the bottom of the curved turret face of these tanks will cause the HE shell to pen the roof of the vehicle. This can also be done on tanks with flat turret fronts ( Tiger I, Tiger II H, Panthers G and F) by aiming for the lower half of the turret, but is not as reliable.  
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* Tiger II P, Panthers D and A - a hit to the bottom of the curved turret face of these tanks will cause the HE shell to penetrate the roof of the vehicle. This can also be done on tanks with flat turret fronts ( Tiger I, Tiger II H, Panthers G and F) by aiming for the lower half of the turret, but is not as reliable.
 
  
 
=== Pros and cons ===
 
=== Pros and cons ===
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'''Pros:'''
 
'''Pros:'''
  
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* Powerful 155 mm gun with a HE shell on-par with the KV-2's gun
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* Powerful 155mm gun with a HE shell on-par with the KV-2's gun
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* Pintle-mounted 20 mm cannon that is deadly to lightly-armoured vehicles and aircraft
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* Pintle-mounted 20mm cannon that is deadly to lightly-armoured vehicles and aircraft
 
* Decent mobility
 
* Decent mobility
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* Good reverse speed
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* Thin armour can allow APHE rounds to penetrate through harmlessly without detonating
  
 
'''Cons:'''
 
'''Cons:'''
  
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* Thin armour with an open casemate, allows even rifle-calibre rounds to affect the crew
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* Thin armor with an open casemate, allows even rifle-calibre rounds to affect the crew
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* Despite thin armour, it's thick enough to trigger most fuses in APHE shells
 
 
* Large profile
 
* Large profile
 
* Long reload time; increases if the loader is taken out
 
* Long reload time; increases if the loader is taken out
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* If the machine-gunner is knocked out, so is the ability to use the 20 mm cannon
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* If the commander is knocked out, so is the ability to use the 20mm cannon
 
* No AP shells, only HE shells
 
* No AP shells, only HE shells
 
* Bad gun depression of 5°
 
* Bad gun depression of 5°
  
 
== History ==
 
== History ==
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Prototypes of the Lorraine 155 Mle.50 passed trials in 1950, but never reached production.
 
Prototypes of the Lorraine 155 Mle.50 passed trials in 1950, but never reached production.
  
 
== Media ==
 
== Media ==
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Skin and Camouflages for the [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=france&vehicleType=tank&vehicleClass=tank_destroyer&vehicle=fr_lorraine_155 Lorraine 155 Mle.50] in Warthunder Live.
  
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Revision as of 10:48, 5 April 2019

Rank VI USSR | Premium | Golden Eagles
Su-25K Pack
Lorraine 155 Mle.50
fr_lorraine_155.png
Lorraine 155 Mle.50
France flag.png France
III Rank
Battle rating:
AB RB SB
4.3 4.3 4.3
Class:
PREMIUM
Purchase:Bundle or Gift
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Description

GarageImage Lorraine 155 Mle.50.jpg


The Lorraine automoteur de 155 mm modèle 1950 (shortened as Lorraine 155 Mle.50) is a gift rank III French tank destroyer with a battle rating of 4.3 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update 1.77 "Advancing Storm" during the 2018 World War Two Chronicles.

General info

Survivability and armour

The Lorraine 155 Mle.50 has very little armour (although some are sloped enough to deflect certain low-rank rounds), and can generally be penetrated by most guns of its rank. Even worse, however, the 'casemate' (if it can even be called that) has very little armour, and in some places can be shot through with machine guns. The commander (operating the 151) is completely open to the elements. Generally, you want to rely on good map placement and mobility, rather than armour.

Armour type:

  • Rolled homogeneous armour
  • Structural steel
Armour Front (Slope angle) Sides Rear Roof
Hull 16 mm (70°) Front glacis
16 mm (2-73°) Transmission housing 		16 mm 10 mm (0-42°) 10 mm
Superstructure 16 mm (21°) Front
10 mm Gun shield 		16 mm (30°) Right side
16 mm (21-48°) Left side 		10 mm 10 mm
Armour Sides Roof
Cupola 10 mm N/A

Notes:

  • Suspension wheels are 10 mm thick while tracks, sprocket wheels, torsion bars, and return rollers are 20 mm thick.
  • Belly armour is 10 mm thick.

Mobility

Mobility characteristic
Weight (tons) Add-on Armour
weight (tons) 		Max speed (km/h)
28.0 N/A 59 (AB)
55 (RB/SB)
Engine power (horsepower)
Mode Stock Upgraded
Arcade 639 787
Realistic/Simulator 398 450
Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Mode Stock Upgraded
Arcade 22.82 28.11
Realistic/Simulator 14.21 16.07

Armaments

Main armament

Main article: L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950 (155 mm)
155 mm L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950
Capacity Vertical
guidance 		Horizontal
guidance 		Stabilizer
30 -5°/+67° ±20° N/A
Turret rotation speed (°/s)
Mode Stock Upgraded Prior + Full crew Prior + Expert qualif. Prior + Ace qualif.
Arcade __.__ __.__ __.__ __.__ __.__
Realistic __.__ __.__ __.__ __.__ __.__
Reloading rate (seconds)
Stock Prior + Full crew Prior + Expert qualif. Prior + Ace qualif.
26.0 __.__ __.__ __.__
Ammunition
Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Penetration in mm @ 0° Angle of Attack
10m 100m 500m 1000m 1500m 2000m
M107 HE 53 53 53 53 53 53
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Velocity
in m/s 		Projectile
Mass in kg 		Fuse delay

in m:

Fuse sensitivity

in mm:

Explosive Mass in g
(TNT equivalent): 		Normalization At 30°
from horizontal: 		Ricochet:
0% 50% 100%
M107 HE 563 41 0.1 0.5 6,620 +0° 79° 80° 81°
Smoke characteristic
Ammunition Velocity
in m/s 		Projectile
Mass in kg 		Screen radius
in m 		Screen time
in s 		Screen hold time
in s: 		Explosive Mass in g
(TNT equivalent):
M110 563 41 25 5 30 50
Ammo racks
Full
ammo 		1st
rack empty 		2nd
rack empty 		3rd
rack empty 		4th
rack empty 		5th
rack empty 		6th
rack empty 		Visual
discrepancy
30 XX (X+)  (+)  (+)  (+)  (+)  (+) Turret empty:  () no

Machine guns

Main article: MG 151/20 (20 mm)
20 mm MG151/20
Commander's mount
Capacity (Belt capacity) Fire rate
(shots/minute) 		Vertical
guidance 		Horizontal
guidance
400 (250) 700 -8°/+45° ±180°

Usage in battles

The best method of using the large-calibre weapon on the Loraine is to exploit the high-explosive power against thin-armour on the enemy. Like other large calibre HE tanks, shooting below an enemy vehicle will penetrate its belly armor. This is an effective, albeit difficult way to engage tanks whose armor is greater than what your HE shell can penetrate.

Some targets to keep in mind of, and their weak points:

  • Tiger I - While seemingly a hard enemy to face, the Tiger is easily dispatched with a side shot. A hit to the roadwheels will penetrate the tank, with the shell fragments going through the thin armor on the underside of the tank's sponson. This is also possible to do to Tiger IIs, but usually results in much less damage done.
  • Tiger II P, Panthers D and A - a hit to the bottom of the curved turret face of these tanks will cause the HE shell to pen the roof of the vehicle. This can also be done on tanks with flat turret fronts ( Tiger I, Tiger II H, Panthers G and F) by aiming for the lower half of the turret, but is not as reliable.

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Powerful 155mm gun with a HE shell on-par with the KV-2's gun
  • Pintle-mounted 20mm cannon that is deadly to lightly-armoured vehicles and aircraft
  • Decent mobility
  • Thin armour can allow APHE rounds to penetrate through harmlessly without detonating

Cons:

  • Thin armor with an open casemate, allows even rifle-calibre rounds to affect the crew
  • Large profile
  • Long reload time; increases if the loader is taken out
  • If the commander is knocked out, so is the ability to use the 20mm cannon
  • No AP shells, only HE shells
  • Bad gun depression of 5°

History

Prototypes of the Lorraine 155 Mle.50 passed trials in 1950, but never reached production.

Media

Skin and Camouflages for the Lorraine 155 Mle.50 in Warthunder Live.

See also

Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:

  • reference to the series of the vehicles;
  • links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

External links


France tank destroyers
Lorraine 40t derivatives  CA Lorraine · Lorraine 155 Mle.50
ATGM  MEPHISTO · AMX-10M
Other  AMR.35 ZT3 · Lorraine 37L · SAu 40 · ARL-44 · ELC bis · AMX-50 Foch · AuF1
USA  ▄M10 GMC · ▄M36B2

France premium ground vehicles
Light tanks  AMD.35 (SA35) · H.39 "Cambronne" · LVT-4/40 · AMX-13 (SS.11) · AMX-13-M24 · E.B.R. (1954) · E.B.R. (1963) · VBCI-2 (MCT30)
Medium tanks  M4A1 (FL10) · Panther "Dauphiné" · AMX-30 · AMX-30 Super · AMX-50 (TO90/930)
Heavy tanks  B1 ter · 2C bis · Somua SM
Tank destroyers  Lorraine 155 Mle.50

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