AMX-30 S DCA

This page is about the French SPAA AMX-30 S DCA. For other versions, see AMX-30 (Family).

AMX-30 S DCA

AMX-10P

SANTAL

AMX-30 S DCA

AMX-10P

SANTAL

France

VI Rank

Battle rating:

AB	RB	SB
8.7	8.7	8.7

Class:

SPAA

Research:135 000

Purchase:380 000

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Description

The AMX-30 S DCA is a rank VI French self-propelled anti-aircraft vehicle with a battle rating of 8.7 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update 1.75 "La Résistance".

General info

Survivability and armour

Smoke grenades

Creation of a smoke screen in front of the vehicle

ESS

Creation of a smoke screen in the direction of movement of the vehicle

Armourfront / side / back

Hull79 / 35 / 30

Turret30 / 20 / 20

Crew3 people

Visibility455 %

The AMX-30 DCA is based off the hull of the AMX-30 main battle tank, resulting in a decently armoured hull. The front glacis is heavily sloped and capable of bouncing most APHE shells and, with luck, some HEAT shells. However, the hull sides and rear are fairly weak, coming in at only 25-30 mm thick.

The turret is more modestly armoured, with 20 to 30 mm of armour. This is sufficiently strong enough to withstand 20 mm or 23 mm cannon fired from an angle, allowing you to shoot down enemy aircraft trying to strafe you.

Crew placement is fairly average, as the driver is in the center of the hull while the gunner and commander sit on the opposite side of the guns. However, the placement of the ammunition feed at the front of the turret means any penetrating shot has a significant chance of causing an ammunition detonation.It is not advised to take less ammunition, as the 30 mm cannons have a high fire rate.

Mobility

Reverse gearbox

Forward and backward movement is possible at the same maximum speed

Speedforward / back

AB71 / 71 km/h

RB and SB66 / 66 km/h

Number of gears5 forward

5 back

Weight36.0 t

Engine power

AB1 240 hp

RB and SB650 hp

Power-to-weight ratio

AB34.4 hp/t

RB and SB18.1 hp/t

As with the AMX-30, the AMX-30 DCA has a decent top and reverse speed of 65 km/h. This allows the DCA to keep up with its team, in addition to the ability to quickly escape danger.

However, note that the DCA lacks neutral steering and is somewhat slow to accelerate stock, meaning that it is possible to get caught off-guard and react too slowly.

Game Mode	Max Speed (km/h)		Weight (tons)	Engine power (horsepower)		Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
	Forward	Reverse		Stock	Upgraded	Stock	Upgraded
Arcade	71	71	36	994	1,240	27.61	34.44
Realistic	66	66		619	650	17.19	18.06

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference

AB4 572 → 6 652

RB3 902 → 5 677

SB4 741 → 6 898

Total cost of modifications112 000

189 400

Talisman cost2 300

Crew training110 000

Experts380 000

Aces1 400

Research Aces830 000

Reward for battleAB / RB / SB

140 / 190 / 220 %

208 / 208 / 208 %

Modifications

Mobility	Protection	Firepower
Tracks Research: 6 000 Cost: 9 600 240 Suspension Research: 5 400 Cost: 8 600 210 Brake System Research: 5 400 Cost: 8 600 210 Filters Research: 7 500 Cost: 12 000 300 Transmission Research: 6 500 Cost: 10 000 260 Engine Research: 6 500 Cost: 10 000 260	Improved Parts Research: 1 800 Cost: 9 600 240 Improved FPE Research: 1 600 Cost: 8 600 210 Crew Replenishment Research: 7 500 Cost: 12 000 300 ESS Research: 6 500 Cost: 10 000 260	Horizontal Drive Research: 6 000 Cost: 9 600 240 30mm_hs_831_HE_ammo_pack Research: 6 000 Cost: 9 600 240 Adjustment of Fire Research: 5 400 Cost: 8 600 210 30mm_hs_831_APHEI_ammo_pack Research: 5 400 Cost: 8 600 210 Elevation Mechanism Research: 7 500 Cost: 12 000 300 Smoke grenade Research: 7 500 Cost: 12 000 300 Artillery Support Research: 6 500 Cost: 10 000 260 Laser rangefinder Research: 6 500 Cost: 10 000 260 30mm_hs_831_APDS_ammo_pack Research: 6 500 Cost: 10 000 260

Armaments

Laser rangefinder

Reduces the error and increases the maximum measurable distance of the rangefinder

Main armament

2 x 30 mm HSS 831A cannon

Ammunition1 200 rounds

Belt capacity300 rounds

Reloadbasic crew → aces

65.0 → 50.0 s

Fire rate651 shots/min

Vertical guidance-8° / 85°

The armament consists of 2 x 30 mm HSS 831A cannons with 300 RPG with a quick, fixed fire rate and can make use of 3 types of munitions:

• High-explosive incendiary (self-destroying, note that the self-destruction range coincides with the radar's lead indicator maximum distance, making the shell inadequate at longer ranges)
• Armour-piercing incendiary tracer, which can be used against lightly armoured vehicles and enemy SPAAs, though the damage to enemy aircraft is reduced, the shell can be used outside radar range since it does not self destruct.
• High-velocity armour-piercing tracer (APDS), which can be used against targets mentioned above and additionally, can be used to attack the side profile of enemy MBTs with reasonable effectiveness.

30 mm HSS 831A (x2)						Turret rotation speed (°/s)					Reloading rate (seconds)
Mode	Capacity (Belt)	Fire rate	Vertical	Horizontal	Stabilizer	Stock	Upgraded	Full	Expert	Aced	Stock	Full	Expert	Aced
Arcade	1,200 (300)	600	-5°/+85°	±180°	N/A	70.4	97.5	118.4	130.9	139.3	65.00	57.50	53.00	50.00
Realistic						47.6	56.0	68.0	75.2	80.0

Ammunition

• Default: SAP-I · HEI-T*
• 30x170 HE-I-T: HEI-T* · HEI* · HEI* · SAP-I
• 30x170 APHE-I: SAP-I · SAP-I · SAP-I · HEI-T*
• 30x170 APDS-T: SAP-I · APDS · SAP-I · HEI-T*

Description

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• AMX-30 S DCA

General info

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Available ammunition

• Default: SAP-I · HEI-T*
• 30x170 HE-I-T: HEI-T* · HEI* · HEI* · SAP-I
• 30x170 APHE-I: SAP-I · SAP-I · SAP-I · HEI-T*
• 30x170 APDS-T: SAP-I · APDS · SAP-I · HEI-T*

AMX-30 S DCA/Ammunition

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Usage in battles

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History

The Hispano-Suiza HSS 831A is a variant of Hispano-Suiza HSS 831 which was a popular anti-aircraft gun around the 1950s. The HSS 831A was combined with a Oeil-noir fire control system and an armored turret to create the S 401 A. First installed on the chassis of the AMX-13 light tank, this design for low-altitude air defense was soon changed with the mounting on the larger AMX-30 to create the AMX-30 DCA which offered superior mobility, double the ammunition storage, and a more stable firing platform. A fair weather weapon, the guns had a rate of fire of 650 rounds per minute and fires in either 5 or 15-round bursts. This vehicle was not picked by the French, but instead ordered by Saudi-Arabia. The HSS 831 has been known as the Oerlikon KCB, serving as a scaled up variant of the Oerlikon KAD, after the Oerlikon bought out the Hispano-Suiza arms division.

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France anti-aircraft guns
13.2 mm	Hotchkiss Mle 1930
20 mm	GIAT M693/mod F2 · Oerlikon KAD (Swiss)
30 mm	HSS 831A
40 mm	Bofors L/60 · Mle. 1951 T1 (Bofors L/70)

Ammo racks

Ammo racks of the AMX-30 S DCA

Full ammo	Ammo type	1st rack empty	Visual discrepancy
4 1,200	Clips Rounds	0 (+4)	Yes

Notes:

• Ammunition is divided into 4 clips of 300 rounds.
• The visual discrepancy concerns the number of clips: 4 clips can be fired but only 2 are modeled.

Radars

The AMX-30 DCA is equipped with a DR-VC-1A combined search and tracking radar. The radar is located at the rear of the turret and can be folded. The radar system but can only track targets within a 200° arc from the front of the turret.

DR-VC-1A - Target Detection Radar
Maximum Detection Range	Minimum Detection Range	Max Azimuth Scan Angle	Max Elevation Scan Angle	Minimum relative speed
15,000 m	1,000 m	360°	???	15 m/s (54 km/h)
Albis - Target Tracking Radar
Maximum Tracking Range	Minimum Tracking Range	Azimuth Tracking Angle	Elevation Tracking Angle	Minimum target speed
15,000 m	75 m	±100°	-20°/+85°	15 m/s (54 km/h)

• Note: lead indicator shows up within 4km

Usage in battles

Anti-Air

Ideally, you should be in a place with horizontal cover against tanks and a wide field of view. Use the radar to spot incoming enemy aircraft. Lock onto the target within 4-5 kilometers in order to keep track of it, making sure to not fire.

For larger 2-4 engined aircraft, firing at 3 km may be effective. However, more agile single-engined fighters and most jet aircraft will be easily able to dodge incoming fire, meaning that you should wait until they close to 2 km before firing.

Fire in short bursts of 10-50 rounds each to avoid overheating and ammunition shortage. Moving the aim point around during the burst may help to disperse shots and increase hit probability, as even a single 30 mm HEI shell is deadly to most aircraft.

Keep in mind that the tracking radar does not work well at low altitudes, and will periodically stop tracking a target in order to scan for more incoming planes.

Anti-Tank

If forced into an anti-tank role, the AMX-30 DCA should be played as a support vehicle. With only 53 mm of penetration stock, it is unable to kill anything but IFVs and other SPAA. However, the 30 mm API and HEI rounds are incredibly potent at destroying tracks and damaging barrels, enabling you to assist teammates in killing tanks.

If facing enemy tanks alone, make sure that they are isolated before attempting to disable them.

Ideally, the enemy should be unaware of you and be flat-on (i.e perpendicular). From there, check to see if your belt has enough penetration to overcome his side armour. If it does, aim to take out his gun first (shoot directly below the turret), then his crew (driver's compartment, any survivors in the turret).

• Note that most Soviet MBTS like the T-55 or T-62 have 80 mm of side armour, meaning that they should be avoided when stock
• Other notable opponents include the M60 and Chieftain series of tanks, as they too have enough side armour to protect against the stock belt.

Pros and cons

Pros:

• Fast rate of fire, generally 50-100 RPM higher compared to other 30-35 mm gun SPAA
• The placement of the three crew members makes taking out the whole crew next to impossible with one shot
• Hull front of AMX-30 can sometimes block or deflect APHE
• Very fast considering its hull armour level, unlike the Chieftain Marksman
• Double or even triple the amount of ammunition, when compared to other 30-35 mm gun SPAA
• Gun arrangement makes it much easier to use against ground targets than the Gepard-style SPAAs
• Has radar, unlike some SPAA like the Falcon and M163
• Stock belts chew through lightly armoured medium tanks like the Leopard I series and light tanks like the BMP series
• Access to smoke grenades and ESS
• Night vision is available - no thermals however
• Extremely deadly to enemy ground vehicles in flanking manoeuvres

Cons:

• Can only take out light and sometimes medium tanks due to the small size of its guns
• Lightly armoured turret, with ammunition being very vulnerable to direct attacks
• Gun placement makes firing over ridges and hiding behind cover awkward
• Slow acceleration (when stock) and lack of neutral steering hinders responsiveness
• Reloading the guns, switching ammunition belts or clearing jammed guns takes over a minute to complete, leaving you vulnerable and out of the action for a very, very long time

History

The development of the AMX-30 DCA (also known as the AMX-30SA) began in the year 1969 and it was derived from the AMX-13 DCA, a similar system produced for the French army. While the AMX-30 DCA was made for the French Army, it was also made for export and in the end, none of the DCA's were ordered by the French army. Instead, Saudi Arabia ordered an improved version in the 1975, called the AMX-30SA which included the SA-10 Shaline missiles.

It was developed to be used against low-flying aircraft and low-altitude attacks with its two Hispano-Suiza 30 mm 831 A automatic guns coupled to an Oeil-noir fire control system. This system had already been installed on the AMX-13, in lieu of a heavier chassis, using a turret designated the S 401 A. Although this vehicle began production in the year 1962, the introduction of the AMX-30 meant that the S 401 A turret could be mounted onto a much larger chassis which improved the agility of the vehicle. It also provided a much more stable platform and with double the ammo capacity of 1,200 rounds instead of the 600 that the AMX-13 could carry.

The guns were designed to shoot in bursts of 5 rounds, or even 15 rounds per burst with the cyclic rate of fire of 650 rounds a minute. They were controlled by an analogue computer that received information from a Doppler radar, which could be folded into an armoured box when not in use to protect from damage. The fire control depended on visual tracking, meaning it could not be used in night time.

Media

Skins

• Skins and camouflages for the AMX-30 S DCA from live.warthunder.com.

Videos

How To Basic SPAA feat. AMX-30 DCA - Napalmratte

See also

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External links

• [Weapon Systems] AMX-30 DCA

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AMX-13 Derivatives	VTT DCA · AMX-13 DCA 40
Radar SPAAG	AMX-30 S DCA
Missile SPAA	SANTAL · Roland 1 · ▄ItO 90M
Other	AMX-10P