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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
 
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Swedish bomber {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Raining Fire"]].
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was a Swedish reconnaissance dive-bomber aircraft designed by SAAB. The land-based SAAB 17 was the first all-metal stressed-skin aircraft developed in Sweden, introduced in 1940. The SAAB 17BS was the latest version of the B17, based on the [[B17B]], it was designed for reconnaissance and it featured photographic equipment, it replaced the landing gear with floats and the original engine by a Bristol Mercury XXIV engine; 38 units were built.
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It was introduced in [[Update "Raining Fire"]]. The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a slow and sluggish bomber. It has access to 2 x forward mounting machine guns, which are an adequate armament for its BR. It is more capable at ground attack however, with access to 9 x 50 kg bombs. It has also access to a bomb sight, which means that dropping bombs with precision shouldn't be an issue. In air battles, the bombs are particularly useful against light fortifications and vehicle columns.
  
 
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=== Modifications and economy ===
 
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As the S17BS is a relatively simple aircraft, the progress of obtaining its modifications is also quite simple. One recommended order of research is as follows:
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* Offensive 8 mm: researching this modification can allow the player to choose between different ammunition belts, including Armored Targets belts which will increase the amount of armour-piercing rounds present in the belt, over the Default ammunition. Stealth belts can also be used, which can allow the machine guns to fire ammunition that does not contain tracer rounds. Players can use these to attack ground targets or unsuspecting enemy aircraft.
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* Airframe: this modification will increase the aircraft's durability, giving it a higher chance to return to the airfield even if damaged.
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* Turret 8 mm: this modification is very similar to the previous modification and will give the player access to other ammunition belt types. It is recommended to take Armored Targets belts for increased damage against aircraft with armour or solid structures.
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* Flight Performance modifications: the S17BS is relatively slow and sluggish. These modifications will help to remedy this issue by increasing its performance. As with all modifications, players can hover over each modification to see exactly how they will affect the vehicle when equipped.
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* Cover: this modification will both improve the aircraft's performance and durability.
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* New 8 mm MGs and New 8 mm MGs (turret): equipping these modifications will improve the aircraft's weaponry for increased reliability and accuracy.
  
 
== Armaments ==
 
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== Usage in battles ==
 
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The B17BS is fitted with two forward facing machine guns, allowing players to dispatch lightly-armoured ground targets and lone enemy aircraft. With the option to load 9 x 50 kg bombs, the B17BS becomes a potent ground attacker for its battle rating. The pilot should not rely on this plane's sluggish manoeuvrability and low maximum speed. Unlike faster and more potently armed planes, this aircraft is often played methodically, away from the centre of the battlefield. In Arcade battles, the bombsight allows for liberal aiming at specific targets, ideally columns of lightly-armoured vehicles. Having a bombsight means you can stay at relatively high altitudes without endangering yourself.
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Should an enemy attempt to attack you, you can dive away in order to gain speed for an escape. The S17BS's firepower is adequate but not excellent, meaning head-on attacks can be dangerous. If the enemy is attacking from the rear, players can utilize the rear gunner. This gunner may be able to deter or destroy enemy fighters, especially if they are biplanes which are often unarmoured. If the enemy aircraft presses the attack, you can evade shots by wiggling the aircraft around in order to throw off their aim. The S17BS has a sturdy enough construction to resist rifle-calibre rounds and can even withstand a few 20 mm cannon rounds.
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Overall, the plane is a serviceable light attacker.
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=== Pros and cons ===
 
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'''Pros:'''
  
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* Can land/float on water, unlike its [[B17 (Family)|brothers]] 
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* Relatively durable against light machine guns
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* Great for bombing anti-aircraft vehicles and light pillboxes
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* Can land and float on water
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* 9 x 50 kg sb m/42 bombs for bombing ground targets
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* Bombsight can increase bombing accuracy
  
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* Slow and large target profile
 
* Slow and large target profile
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* Mediocre manoeuvrability
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* Poor manoeuvrability
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* Small bomb load
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* Can only carry small bombs
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* Has weak defensive armament
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* Very light defensive armament with limited firing angles
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* Floats create more drag; consequently, slower than the [[B17B]] and the [[B17A]]
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* Floats create more drag, making the B-17BS slower than the [[B17B]] and the [[B17A]]
  
 
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== See also ==
 
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{{AirManufacturer Saab}}
 
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Latest revision as of 19:05, 19 April 2024

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This page is about the Swedish bomber S17BS. For other versions, see B17 (Family).
S17BS
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S17BS
Sweden flag.png Sweden
I Rank
Battle rating:
AB RB SB
1.3 1.0 1.3
Class:
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Description

The S17BS was a Swedish reconnaissance dive-bomber aircraft designed by SAAB. The land-based SAAB 17 was the first all-metal stressed-skin aircraft developed in Sweden, introduced in 1940. The SAAB 17BS was the latest version of the B17, based on the B17B, it was designed for reconnaissance and it featured photographic equipment, it replaced the landing gear with floats and the original engine by a Bristol Mercury XXIV engine; 38 units were built.

It was introduced in Update "Raining Fire". The S17BS is a slow and sluggish bomber. It has access to 2 x forward mounting machine guns, which are an adequate armament for its BR. It is more capable at ground attack however, with access to 9 x 50 kg bombs. It has also access to a bomb sight, which means that dropping bombs with precision shouldn't be an issue. In air battles, the bombs are particularly useful against light fortifications and vehicle columns.

General info

Flight performance

Max speed
at 3 900 m395 km/h
Turn time20 s
Max altitude6 200 m
EngineBristol Mercury XXIV
TypeRadial
Cooling systemAir
Take-off weight4 t
Characteristics Max Speed
(km/h at 3,900 m) 		Max altitude
(metres) 		Turn time
(seconds) 		Rate of climb
(metres/second) 		Take-off run
(metres)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
Stock 381 374 6200 21.5 22.6 4.4 4.1 450
Upgraded 412 395 18.6 20.0 7.9 6.0

Details

Features
Combat flaps Take-off flaps Landing flaps Air brakes Arrestor gear
✓ ✓ ✓ X X
Limits
Wings (km/h) Gear (km/h) Flaps (km/h) Max Static G
Combat Take-off Landing + -
500 500 386 369 280 ~9 6
Optimal velocities (km/h)
Ailerons Rudder Elevators Radiator
< 300 < 310 < 320 > 320

Survivability and armour

Crew2 people
Speed of destruction
Structural500 km/h
Gear500 km/h
  • 10 mm Steel plate in pilot's seat
  • 10 mm Steel plate in front of gunner*
  • Self-sealing fuel tanks (4 in each wing)

*Note that the gunner is rear-facing

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference
AB117 → 147 Sl icon.png
RB149 → 187 Sl icon.png
SB188 → 237 Sl icon.png
Total cost of modifications2 970 Rp icon.png
885 Sl icon.png
Talisman cost190 Ge icon.png
Crew training200 Sl icon.png
Experts1 000 Sl icon.png
Aces20 Ge icon.png
Research Aces96 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
20 / 30 / 50 % Sl icon.png
100 / 100 / 100 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Flight performance Survivability Weaponry
Mods aerodinamic fuse.png
Fuselage repair
Research:
200 Rp icon.png
Cost:
60 Sl icon.png
45 Ge icon.png
Mods radiator.png
Radiator
Research:
200 Rp icon.png
Cost:
60 Sl icon.png
45 Ge icon.png
Mods compressor.png
Compressor
Research:
220 Rp icon.png
Cost:
65 Sl icon.png
50 Ge icon.png
Mods aerodinamic wing.png
Wings repair
Research:
250 Rp icon.png
Cost:
75 Sl icon.png
60 Ge icon.png
Mods new engine.png
Engine
Research:
250 Rp icon.png
Cost:
75 Sl icon.png
60 Ge icon.png
Mods metanol.png
Engine injection
Research:
320 Rp icon.png
Cost:
95 Sl icon.png
75 Ge icon.png
Mods armor frame.png
Airframe
Research:
220 Rp icon.png
Cost:
65 Sl icon.png
50 Ge icon.png
Mods armor cover.png
Cover
Research:
320 Rp icon.png
Cost:
95 Sl icon.png
75 Ge icon.png
Mods ammo.png
8_63_belt_pack
Research:
200 Rp icon.png
Cost:
60 Sl icon.png
45 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 1.png
Mods ammo.png
8_63_turret_belt_pack
Research:
220 Rp icon.png
Cost:
65 Sl icon.png
50 Ge icon.png
Mod arrow 1.png
Mods weapon.png
8_63_new_gun
Research:
250 Rp icon.png
Cost:
75 Sl icon.png
60 Ge icon.png
Mods weapon.png
8_63_turret_new_gun
Research:
320 Rp icon.png
Cost:
95 Sl icon.png
75 Ge icon.png

As the S17BS is a relatively simple aircraft, the progress of obtaining its modifications is also quite simple. One recommended order of research is as follows:

  • Offensive 8 mm: researching this modification can allow the player to choose between different ammunition belts, including Armored Targets belts which will increase the amount of armour-piercing rounds present in the belt, over the Default ammunition. Stealth belts can also be used, which can allow the machine guns to fire ammunition that does not contain tracer rounds. Players can use these to attack ground targets or unsuspecting enemy aircraft.
  • Airframe: this modification will increase the aircraft's durability, giving it a higher chance to return to the airfield even if damaged.
  • Turret 8 mm: this modification is very similar to the previous modification and will give the player access to other ammunition belt types. It is recommended to take Armored Targets belts for increased damage against aircraft with armour or solid structures.
  • Flight Performance modifications: the S17BS is relatively slow and sluggish. These modifications will help to remedy this issue by increasing its performance. As with all modifications, players can hover over each modification to see exactly how they will affect the vehicle when equipped.
  • Cover: this modification will both improve the aircraft's performance and durability.
  • New 8 mm MGs and New 8 mm MGs (turret): equipping these modifications will improve the aircraft's weaponry for increased reliability and accuracy.

Armaments

Offensive armament

Weapon 18 mm Ksp m/22 Fv machine gun
Ammunition500 rounds
Fire rate1 200 shots/min
Weapon 28 mm Ksp m/22 Fh machine gun
Ammunition500 rounds
Fire rate1 200 shots/min
Main articles: Ksp m/22 Fh (8 mm), Ksp m/22 Fv (8 mm)

The S17BS is armed with:

  • 1 x 8 mm Ksp m/22 Fh machine gun, wing-mounted (500 rpg)
  • 1 x 8 mm Ksp m/22 Fv machine gun, wing-mounted (500 rpg)

Suspended armament

List of setups (1)
Setup 19 x 50 kg sb m/42 bomb
Main article: sb m/42 (50 kg)

The S17BS can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

  • 9 x 50 kg sb m/42 bombs (450 kg total)

Defensive armament

Turret8 mm Ksp m/22-37 R machine gun
Ammunition300 rounds
Fire rate1200 shots/min
Main article: Ksp m/22-37 R (8 mm)

The S17BS is defended by:

  • 1 x 8 mm Ksp m/22-37 R machine gun, dorsal turret (300 rpg)

Usage in battles

The B17BS is fitted with two forward facing machine guns, allowing players to dispatch lightly-armoured ground targets and lone enemy aircraft. With the option to load 9 x 50 kg bombs, the B17BS becomes a potent ground attacker for its battle rating. The pilot should not rely on this plane's sluggish manoeuvrability and low maximum speed. Unlike faster and more potently armed planes, this aircraft is often played methodically, away from the centre of the battlefield. In Arcade battles, the bombsight allows for liberal aiming at specific targets, ideally columns of lightly-armoured vehicles. Having a bombsight means you can stay at relatively high altitudes without endangering yourself.

Should an enemy attempt to attack you, you can dive away in order to gain speed for an escape. The S17BS's firepower is adequate but not excellent, meaning head-on attacks can be dangerous. If the enemy is attacking from the rear, players can utilize the rear gunner. This gunner may be able to deter or destroy enemy fighters, especially if they are biplanes which are often unarmoured. If the enemy aircraft presses the attack, you can evade shots by wiggling the aircraft around in order to throw off their aim. The S17BS has a sturdy enough construction to resist rifle-calibre rounds and can even withstand a few 20 mm cannon rounds.

Overall, the plane is a serviceable light attacker.

Manual Engine Control

MEC elements
Mixer Pitch Radiator Supercharger Turbocharger
Oil Water Type
Controllable Controllable
Not auto controlled 		Controllable
Not auto controlled 		Controllable
Not auto controlled 		Separate Not controllable
1 gear 		Not controllable

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Relatively durable against light machine guns
  • Can land and float on water
  • 9 x 50 kg sb m/42 bombs for bombing ground targets
  • Bombsight can increase bombing accuracy

Cons:

  • Slow and large target profile
  • Poor manoeuvrability
  • Can only carry small bombs
  • Very light defensive armament with limited firing angles
  • Floats create more drag, making the B-17BS slower than the B17B and the B17A

History

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Media

Skins
Videos
Spade Review. B17BS. A Swedish Floaty Boi! - Joseph 2000

See also

Related development
Aircraft of similar configuration or role

External links

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  • topic on the official game forum;
  • other literature.


Swedish Aeroplane Company Ltd. (SAAB)
  Pre-SAAB: SA / ASJA
SA 'Jaktfalken'  J6B
SAAB 17  B17A · B17B · S17BS
SAAB 18  B18A · B18B · T18B · T18B (57)
SAAB 21  J21A-1 · J21A-2 · A21A-3 · J21RA · A21RB
SAAB 29 'Tunnan'  J29A · A29B · J29D · J29F
SAAB 32 'Lansen'  J32B · A32A · A32A Röd Adam
SAAB 35 'Draken'  J35A · J35D
SAAB 37 'Viggen'  JA37C · JA37D · JA37DI · JA37DI F21 · AJ37 · AJS37
SAAB 39 'Gripen'  JAS39A · JAS39C
SAAB 105  SK60B · SAAB-105G
License Production  B3C (Ju 86K)
Export  SAAB-105OE · J35XS · ▄JAS39C · ◔JAS39EBS HU C

Sweden bombers
B3  B3C
B17  B17A · B17B · S17BS
SAAB 18  B18A · B18B · T18B · T18B (57)
T 2  T 2
Finland  ▄Ar 196 A-5 · ▄Ju 88 A-4

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