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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
 
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was a Swedish reconnaissance dive-bomber aircraft designed by SAAB. The land-based SAAB 17 was the first all-metal stressed-skin aircraft developed in Sweden, introduced in 1940. The SAAB 17BS was the latest version of the B17, based on the [[B17B]], it was designed for reconnaissance and it featured photographic equipment, it replaced the landing gear with floats and the original engine by a Bristol Mercury XXIV engine; 38 units were built.
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It was introduced in [[Update "Raining Fire"]]. The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a slow and sluggish bomber. It has access to 2 x forward mounting machine guns, which are an adequate armament for its BR. It is more capable at ground attack however, with access to 9 x 50 kg bombs. It has also access to a bomb sight, which means that dropping bombs with precision shouldn't be an issue. In air battles, the bombs are particularly useful against light fortifications and vehicle columns.
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Swedish bomber {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Raining Fire"]].
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
 
=== Flight performance ===
 
=== Flight performance ===
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''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.''
  
 
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=== Survivability and armour ===
 
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* 10 mm Steel plate in pilot's seat
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* 10mm Steel plate in pilot's seat.
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* 10 mm Steel plate in front of gunner*
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* 10mm Steel plate in front of gunner.
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* Self-sealing fuel tanks (4 in each wing)
 
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=== Modifications and economy ===
 
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As the S17BS is a relatively simple aircraft, the progress of obtaining its modifications is also quite simple. One recommended order of research is as follows:
 
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* Offensive 8 mm: researching this modification can allow the player to choose between different ammunition belts, including Armored Targets belts which will increase the amount of armour-piercing rounds present in the belt, over the Default ammunition. Stealth belts can also be used, which can allow the machine guns to fire ammunition that does not contain tracer rounds. Players can use these to attack ground targets or unsuspecting enemy aircraft.
 
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* Airframe: this modification will increase the aircraft's durability, giving it a higher chance to return to the airfield even if damaged.
 
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* Turret 8 mm: this modification is very similar to the previous modification and will give the player access to other ammunition belt types. It is recommended to take Armored Targets belts for increased damage against aircraft with armour or solid structures.
 
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* Flight Performance modifications: the S17BS is relatively slow and sluggish. These modifications will help to remedy this issue by increasing its performance. As with all modifications, players can hover over each modification to see exactly how they will affect the vehicle when equipped.
 
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* Cover: this modification will both improve the aircraft's performance and durability.
 
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* New 8 mm MGs and New 8 mm MGs (turret): equipping these modifications will improve the aircraft's weaponry for increased reliability and accuracy.
 
  
 
== Armaments ==
 
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=== Offensive armament ===
 
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{{main|Ksp m/22 Fh (8 mm)|Ksp m/22 Fv (8 mm)}}
 
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{{main|sb m/42 (50 kg)}}
 
{{main|sb m/42 (50 kg)}}
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=== Defensive armament ===
 
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{{main|Ksp m/22-37 R (8 mm)}}
 
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== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
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The B17BS is fitted with two forward facing machine guns, allowing players to dispatch lightly-armoured ground targets and lone enemy aircraft. With the option to load 9 x 50 kg bombs, the B17BS becomes a potent ground attacker for its battle rating. The pilot should not rely on this plane's sluggish manoeuvrability and low maximum speed. Unlike faster and more potently armed planes, this aircraft is often played methodically, away from the centre of the battlefield. In Arcade battles, the bombsight allows for liberal aiming at specific targets, ideally columns of lightly-armoured vehicles. Having a bombsight means you can stay at relatively high altitudes without endangering yourself.
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Should an enemy attempt to attack you, you can dive away in order to gain speed for an escape. The S17BS's firepower is adequate but not excellent, meaning head-on attacks can be dangerous. If the enemy is attacking from the rear, players can utilize the rear gunner. This gunner may be able to deter or destroy enemy fighters, especially if they are biplanes which are often unarmoured. If the enemy aircraft presses the attack, you can evade shots by wiggling the aircraft around in order to throw off their aim. The S17BS has a sturdy enough construction to resist rifle-calibre rounds and can even withstand a few 20 mm cannon rounds.
 
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=== Pros and cons ===
 
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'''Pros:'''
 
'''Pros:'''
  
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* Relatively durable against light machine guns
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* Can land/float on water  
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* Good aircraft for bombing anti-aircraft vehicles and light pillboxes
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* 9 x 50 kg sb m/42 bombs for bombing ground targets
 
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* Bombsight can increase bombing accuracy
 
  
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'''Cons:'''
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'''Cons:'''
  
 
* Slow and large target profile
 
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* Poor manoeuvrability
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* Not manoeuvrable
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* Can only carry small bombs
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* Small bomb load
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* Very light defensive armament with limited firing angles
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* has weak defensive armaments
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* Floats create more drag, making the B-17BS slower than the [[B17B]] and the [[B17A]]
 
  
 
== History ==
 
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== Media ==
 
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{{Youtube-gallery|VTHbJYa9SpM|'''Spade Review. B17BS. A Swedish Floaty Boi!''' - ''Joseph 2000''}}
 
  
 
== See also ==
 
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Revision as of 15:46, 26 October 2020

VTOL | Rank 6 USA
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S17BS
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S17BS
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Battle rating:
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Description

GarageImage S17BS.jpg


The S17BS is a rank I Swedish bomber with a battle rating of 1.3 (AB/SB) and 1.0 (RB). It was introduced in Update "Raining Fire".

General info

Flight performance

Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.

Characteristics Max Speed
(km/h at _,___ m) 		Max altitude
(metres) 		Turn time
(seconds) 		Rate of climb
(metres/second) 		Take-off run
(metres)
AB RB AB RB AB RB
Stock ___ ___ 6200 __._ __._ __._ __._ ___
Upgraded ___ ___ __._ __._ __._ __._

Details

Features
Combat flaps Take-off flaps Landing flaps Air brakes Arrestor gear
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Limits
Wings (km/h) Gear (km/h) Flaps (km/h) Max Static G
Combat Take-off Landing + -
500 500 ___ ___ ___ ~__ ~__
Optimal velocities (km/h)
Ailerons Rudder Elevators Radiator
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Survivability and armour

  • 10mm Steel plate in pilot's seat.
  • 10mm Steel plate in front of gunner.

Armaments

Offensive armament

Main articles: Ksp m/22 Fh (8 mm), Ksp m/22 Fv (8 mm)

The S17BS is armed with:

  • 1 x 8 mm Ksp m/22 Fh machine gun, wing-mounted (500 rpg)
  • 1 x 8 mm Ksp m/22 Fv machine gun, wing-mounted (500 rpg)

Suspended armament

Main article: sb m/42 (50 kg)

The S17BS can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

  • 9 x 50 kg sb m/42 bombs (450 kg total)

Defensive armament

Main article: Ksp m/22-37 R (8 mm)

The S17BS is defended by:

  • 1 x 8 mm Ksp m/22-37 R machine gun, dorsal turret (300 rpg)

Usage in battles

Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).

Modules

Tier Flight performance Survivability Weaponry
I Fuselage repair Radiator Offensive 8 mm
II Compressor Airframe Turret 8 mm
III Wings repair Engine New 8 mm MGs
IV Engine injection Cover New 8 mm MGs (turret)

Pros and cons

Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in the bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".

Pros:

  • Can land/float on water
  • Good aircraft for bombing anti-aircraft vehicles and light pillboxes

Cons:

  • Slow and large target profile
  • Not manoeuvrable
  • Small bomb load
  • has weak defensive armaments

History

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Media

Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.

See also

Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:

  • reference to the series of the aircraft;
  • links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

External links

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  • topic on the official game forum;
  • encyclopedia page on the aircraft;
  • other literature.


Swedish Aeroplane Company Ltd. (SAAB)
Pre-SAAB: ASJA  J6B
Fighters  J21A-1 · J21A-2 · A21A-3
Jet fighters  A21RB · J21RA · J29A · A29B · J29D · J29F · J32B · J35A · J35D · JA37C · JA37D · JAS39A
Jet attackers  A32A · A32A Röd Adam · AJ37 · AJS37 · SAAB-105G · SK60B
Bombers  B17A · B17B · S17BS
Dive-bombers  B3C · B18A · B18B · T18B · T18B (57)
Export  SAAB-105OE · Saab J35XS · JAS39C · ◔JAS39EBS HU C

Sweden bombers
B3  B3C
B17  B17A · B17B · S17BS
SAAB 18  B18A · B18B · T18B · T18B (57)
T 2  T 2
Finland  ▄Ar 196 A-5 · ▄Ju 88 A-4

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