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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (shortened to ''{{Specs|pseudonym}}'') is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Italian tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.85 "Supersonic"]].  
 
The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (shortened to ''{{Specs|pseudonym}}'') is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Italian tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.85 "Supersonic"]].  
  
The L3/33 CC is an Italian tank that is the Warthunder Equivalent of a Shoebox on tracks with a gun. This vehicle has very little armour which allows for it to quickly and deftly maneuver the battlefield, scouting for pockets to position the vehicle for tactical advantages against the slower and heavier enemy vehicles at a close range.
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The L3/33 CC is an Italian tank that is the War Thunder equivalent of a shoe-box on tracks (with a gun, of course). This vehicle has very little armour, which allows for it to quickly and deftly maneuver across the battlefield, scouting for pockets to position the vehicle in for tactical advantages against the slower and heavier enemy vehicles it faces.
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
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=== Mobility ===
 
=== Mobility ===
''Write about the mobility of the ground vehicle. Estimate the specific power and manoeuvrability, as well as the maximum speed forwards and backwards.''
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The L3/33 CC is very mobile both on and offroad. <!--How is the L3/33 CC mobile both on/off road compared to other vehicles, what is special about it, information like that could be very helpful to know if someone has not driven the tank yet.-->
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
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|-
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! colspan="3" |Mobility characteristic
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|-
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!Weight (tons)
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! colspan="1" |Add-on Armor<br>weight (tons)
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! colspan="1" |Max speed (km/h)
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|-
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| rowspan="2" |3.2|| colspan="1" rowspan="2" |N/A|| colspan="1" |46 (AB)
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|-
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|42 (RB/SB)
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|-
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! colspan="3" |Engine power (horsepower)
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|-
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! colspan="1" |Mode
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!Stock
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!Upgraded
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|-
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|''Arcade''
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|61
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|75
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|-
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|''Realistic/Simulator''
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|38
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|43
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|-
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! colspan="3" |Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
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|-
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! colspan="1" |Mode
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!Stock
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!Upgraded
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|-
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|''Arcade''
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|19.06
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|23.44
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|-
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|''Realistic/Simulator''
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|11.88
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|13.44
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|-
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|}
  
 
== Armaments ==
 
== Armaments ==
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<!--''Give the reader information about the characteristics of the main gun. Assess its effectiveness in a battle based on the reloading speed, ballistics and the power of shells. Do not forget about the flexibility of the fire, that is how quickly the cannon can be aimed at the target, open fire on it and aim at another enemy. Add a link to the main article on the gun: <code><nowiki>{{main|Name of the weapon}}</nowiki></code>. Describe in general terms the ammunition available for the main gun. Give advice on how to use them and how to fill the ammunition storage.''-->
 
{{main|Fucile Controcarri S Mod.39 (20 mm)}}
 
{{main|Fucile Controcarri S Mod.39 (20 mm)}}
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Wielding an anti-tank rifle with a 10 round magazine capable of launching a small APHE every second, the L3/33, in the hands of a competent commander, is able to deal with multiple lightly-armored vehicles in quick succession.  The only thing holding this quick-firing gun back is a lack of effective penetration to deal with all tanks at it's battle rating, requiring the commander of this vehicle to be up close and personal and/or flank in order to deal with well-armored targets ([[M3 Stuart]], [[Pz.38(t) F]], [[T-70]]).  Certain heavy targets ([[B1 bis]]) should be avoided altogether.
  
 
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! rowspan="1" | Stabilizer
 
! rowspan="1" | Stabilizer
 
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| colspan="2" | 110 (10) || 30 || ±15° || ±10° || Vertical
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| colspan="2" | 110 (10) || 60 || ±15° || ±10° || Vertical
 
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! colspan="6" | Turret rotation speed (°/s)
 
! colspan="6" | Turret rotation speed (°/s)
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== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
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The L3/33 CC is best used in ambushes, as this tactic allows it to strike from close distance; an hill can provide a nice spot for this, as the L3 has 15 degrees of gun depression and can get to cover by simply reversing if it is spotted in time.
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The L3/33 CC is best used in ambushes, as this tactic allows it to strike from close distance; an hill can provide a nice spot for this, as the L3 has 15 degrees of gun depression and can get to cover by simply reversing if it is spotted in time.  It is also useful as a flanker due to its small size (hard to spot) and high mobility.
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When playing the L3/33, incoming fire should be avoided at all costs.  Due to the cramped layout of internal modules and crew of 2, any penetrating shell is enough to destroy the vehicle.  In addition, the armour is so weak that it cannot even protect against .50 caliber machine gun- play carefully.
  
 
=== Pros and cons ===
 
=== Pros and cons ===
 
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'''Pros:'''
 
'''Pros:'''
* Small enough vehicle profile to utilize a variety of cover in the field
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* Due to its small surface area, it is very easy to almost be completely cover in bushes, making it very hard to spot in most maps when standing still
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* Small enough vehicle profile to utilize small amounts of cover effectively
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* Due to its small surface area, it is very easy to almost be completely covered in bushes, making it very hard to spot in most maps when standing still
 
* Great gun depression (-15°)
 
* Great gun depression (-15°)
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* Short stock grind, the best (and only) shell comes stock
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* Low silhouette can be fully covered behind a single one big bush decoration
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* Quick firing cannon with an autoloading magazine
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* The best ammunition is the stock rounds
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'''Cons:'''
 
'''Cons:'''
* Main gun difficult to use on all but soft targets over 400 m away
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* Almost non existent armour, can be pierced by .50 MG from the front
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* Main gun can be difficult to use on all but soft targets over 400 m away
* 2 man crew
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* Almost non-existent armour, can be pierced by .50 machine gun from the front
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* 2 man crew; low survivability when hit
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* Cannon is only 20 mm, it can be difficult to destroy some obstacles such as walls
  
 
== History ==
 
== History ==
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The '''Carro Veloce L3/33''', also known as the '''CV-33''' was a [[wikipedia:Tankette|tankette]] produced by Carro Veloce for the Regio Esercito beginning in 1933. The design was an adaptation of the British [[wikipedia:Carden_Loyd_tankette|Carden Loyd tankette]], which had seen wide success on the international export market and became the basis for a number of similar tankette designs throughout the 1930's. Because Italy lacked the industrial base to produce large numbers of more complex and advanced tank designs, the L3/33 and later [[wikipedia:L3/35|L3/35 tankette]] formed the backbone of the Italian armored corps and became the most widely produced Italian armored fighting vehicles of the war, seeing service from the Italian invasion of Ethiopia to the very end of WW2. Several variants were produced, including a flamethrower variant (the L3/33 FL, standing for "Lanciaflamme"), a bridge carrier variant and a command radio variant.
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As the war progressed, and the Italians faced the Allies in France and North Africa with their more heavily armed and armored tanks and long-range anti-tank guns, the deficiencies of the L3/33 and 35 became apparent. Although fast and possessing a low profile, it was too thinly armored, capable of only withstanding infantry rifle caliber munitions. In addition, its standard armament of a 6.5mm machine gun proved inadequate for long-range combat or engaging other armored vehicles. While the Regio Esercito began slowly upgrading its armored units to more modern standards, stopgap solutions to make up for the difference were considered and adopted. One of these was to mount a [[Fucile Controcarri S Mod.39 (20 mm)]] in a small number of L3/33's and 35's, replacing the 6.5mm machine gun and creating an ad-hoc tank destroyer platform. These were designated as the '''L3/33 CC''', which stood for "contocarro" ("anti-tank"). Arriving too late to see action in Libya before the Axis retreat, they saw only limited action in Tunisia. Gradually, the L3/33 and L3/35 would be withdrawn from front line service, serving largely in behind-the-line roles such as artillery towing vehicles and police vehicles in Axis-occupied territories. After the Axis’s fell, many tanks were captured and either destroyed or repurposed. The last recorded use of an L3/33 in service was during the Iraqi war, where the US captured the tank.
  
 
== Media ==
 
== Media ==
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== See also ==
 
== See also ==
 
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
 
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
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* ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
 
* ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
 
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
 
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
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* ''encyclopedia page on the tank;''
 
* ''encyclopedia page on the tank;''
 
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* [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L3/33 [Wikipedia<nowiki>]</nowiki> L3/33]
 
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L3/33 [Wikipedia<nowiki>]</nowiki> L3/33]
  
 
{{Italy tank destroyers}}
 
{{Italy tank destroyers}}

Revision as of 16:43, 28 January 2020

RANK 4 FRANCE
Somua SM PACK
Carro Armato L3 Contro Carro
it_l3_cc.png
AB
RB
SB
General characteristics
Brief
Detailed
1.0/1.0/1.0BR
2 peopleCrew
51 %Visibility
front / side / backArmour
14 / 14 / 8Hull
14 / 14 / 14Turret
Mobility
3.2 tWeight
82 hp43 hpEngine power
26 hp/t13 hp/tPower-to-weight ratio
45 km/h forward
6 km/h back
42 km/h forward
6 km/h back
Speed
Armament
20 mm Fucile Controcarri S Mod.39 antitank rifleMain weapon
110 roundsAmmunition
6.0 / 7.8 sReload
10 roundsBelt capacity
60 shots/minFire rate
-15° / 15°Vertical guidance
-10° / 10°Horizontal guidance
shoulderStabilizer
Economy
2 900 Rp icon.pngResearch
700 Sl icon.pngPurchase
Sl icon.png220 / 272/170 / 210/130 / 160Repair
200 Sl icon.pngCrew training
1 000 Sl icon.pngExperts
20 Ge icon.pngAces
100 % Rp icon.pngReward for battle
30 % Sl icon.png20 % Sl icon.png20 % Sl icon.png

Description

GarageImage L3 33 CC.jpg


The Carro Armato L3 Contro Carro (shortened to L3/33 CC) is a rank I Italian tank destroyer with a battle rating of 1.0 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update 1.85 "Supersonic".

The L3/33 CC is an Italian tank that is the War Thunder equivalent of a shoe-box on tracks (with a gun, of course). This vehicle has very little armour, which allows for it to quickly and deftly maneuver across the battlefield, scouting for pockets to position the vehicle in for tactical advantages against the slower and heavier enemy vehicles it faces.

General info

Survivability and armour

Armour Front (Slope angle) Sides Rear Roof
Hull 8 mm (79°) Front glacis
14 mm (0°) Lower glacis
14 mm 8 mm (0-32°) 8 mm
5 mm Hatches
Superstructure 14 mm (13-64°)
14 mm (0-62°) Gun mantlet
14 mm (0-15°) 14 mm (0-17°) 8 mm
5 mm Hatches

Mobility

The L3/33 CC is very mobile both on and offroad.

Mobility characteristic
Weight (tons) Add-on Armor
weight (tons)
Max speed (km/h)
3.2 N/A 46 (AB)
42 (RB/SB)
Engine power (horsepower)
Mode Stock Upgraded
Arcade 61 75
Realistic/Simulator 38 43
Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Mode Stock Upgraded
Arcade 19.06 23.44
Realistic/Simulator 11.88 13.44

Armaments

Main armament

Wielding an anti-tank rifle with a 10 round magazine capable of launching a small APHE every second, the L3/33, in the hands of a competent commander, is able to deal with multiple lightly-armored vehicles in quick succession. The only thing holding this quick-firing gun back is a lack of effective penetration to deal with all tanks at it's battle rating, requiring the commander of this vehicle to be up close and personal and/or flank in order to deal with well-armored targets (M3 Stuart, Pz.38(t) F, T-70). Certain heavy targets (B1 bis) should be avoided altogether.

20 mm Fucile Controcarri S Mod.39
Capacity (Belt capacity) Fire rate
(shots/minute)
Vertical
guidance
Horizontal
guidance
Stabilizer
110 (10) 60 ±15° ±10° Vertical
Turret rotation speed (°/s)
Mode Stock Upgraded Prior + Full crew Prior + Expert qualif. Prior + Ace qualif.
Arcade 17.6 __.__ __.__ __.__ __.__
Realistic 11.9 __.__ __.__ __.__ __.__
Reloading rate (seconds)
Stock Prior + Full crew Prior + Expert qualif. Prior + Ace qualif.
7.8 __.__ __.__ __.__
Ammunition
Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Penetration in mm @ 0° Angle of Attack
10m 100m 500m 1000m 1500m 2000m
Perforante mod.35 APHE 40 38 29 20 14 10
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead
Velocity
in m/s
Projectile
Mass in kg
Fuse delay

in m:

Fuse sensitivity

in mm:

Explosive Mass in g
(TNT equivalent):
Normalization At 30°
from horizontal:
Ricochet:
0% 50% 100%
Perforante mod.35 APHE 832 0.14 1.3 15 1.7 ° 47° 60° 65°
Ammo racks
Ammo racks of the L3/33 CC
Full
ammo
1st
rack empty
2nd
rack empty
3rd
rack empty
4th
rack empty
5th
rack empty
6th
rack empty
7th
rack empty
8th
rack empty
9th
rack empty
10th
rack empty
11th
rack empty
Visual
discrepancy
11 10 (+1) (+2) (+3) (+4) (+5) (+6) (+7) (+8) (+9) (+10) (+11) No

Usage in battles

The L3/33 CC is best used in ambushes, as this tactic allows it to strike from close distance; an hill can provide a nice spot for this, as the L3 has 15 degrees of gun depression and can get to cover by simply reversing if it is spotted in time. It is also useful as a flanker due to its small size (hard to spot) and high mobility.

When playing the L3/33, incoming fire should be avoided at all costs. Due to the cramped layout of internal modules and crew of 2, any penetrating shell is enough to destroy the vehicle. In addition, the armour is so weak that it cannot even protect against .50 caliber machine gun- play carefully.

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Small enough vehicle profile to utilize small amounts of cover effectively
  • Due to its small surface area, it is very easy to almost be completely covered in bushes, making it very hard to spot in most maps when standing still
  • Great gun depression (-15°)
  • Short stock grind, the best (and only) shell comes stock
  • Low silhouette can be fully covered behind a single one big bush decoration
  • Quick firing cannon with an autoloading magazine
  • The best ammunition is the stock rounds

Cons:

  • Main gun can be difficult to use on all but soft targets over 400 m away
  • Almost non-existent armour, can be pierced by .50 machine gun from the front
  • 2 man crew; low survivability when hit
  • Cannon is only 20 mm, it can be difficult to destroy some obstacles such as walls

History

The Carro Veloce L3/33, also known as the CV-33 was a tankette produced by Carro Veloce for the Regio Esercito beginning in 1933. The design was an adaptation of the British Carden Loyd tankette, which had seen wide success on the international export market and became the basis for a number of similar tankette designs throughout the 1930's. Because Italy lacked the industrial base to produce large numbers of more complex and advanced tank designs, the L3/33 and later L3/35 tankette formed the backbone of the Italian armored corps and became the most widely produced Italian armored fighting vehicles of the war, seeing service from the Italian invasion of Ethiopia to the very end of WW2. Several variants were produced, including a flamethrower variant (the L3/33 FL, standing for "Lanciaflamme"), a bridge carrier variant and a command radio variant.

As the war progressed, and the Italians faced the Allies in France and North Africa with their more heavily armed and armored tanks and long-range anti-tank guns, the deficiencies of the L3/33 and 35 became apparent. Although fast and possessing a low profile, it was too thinly armored, capable of only withstanding infantry rifle caliber munitions. In addition, its standard armament of a 6.5mm machine gun proved inadequate for long-range combat or engaging other armored vehicles. While the Regio Esercito began slowly upgrading its armored units to more modern standards, stopgap solutions to make up for the difference were considered and adopted. One of these was to mount a Fucile Controcarri S Mod.39 (20 mm) in a small number of L3/33's and 35's, replacing the 6.5mm machine gun and creating an ad-hoc tank destroyer platform. These were designated as the L3/33 CC, which stood for "contocarro" ("anti-tank"). Arriving too late to see action in Libya before the Axis retreat, they saw only limited action in Tunisia. Gradually, the L3/33 and L3/35 would be withdrawn from front line service, serving largely in behind-the-line roles such as artillery towing vehicles and police vehicles in Axis-occupied territories. After the Axis’s fell, many tanks were captured and either destroyed or repurposed. The last recorded use of an L3/33 in service was during the Iraqi war, where the US captured the tank.

Media

Live.Warthunder

Skins and camouflages for the L3/33 CC from live.warthunder.com.

See also

Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:

  • reference to the series of the vehicles;
  • links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

External links


Italy tank destroyers
M41  75/18 M41 · 75/32 M41 · 90/53 M41M
M42  75/34 M42
M43  105/25 M43 · M43 "G.C.Leoncello" · 75/34 M43 · 75/46 M43
Wheeled  Breda 501
Other  L3/33 CC · 47/32 L40
Post-War  Centauro · Centauro ROMOR · Centauro MGS
America  ▄M18 · M36B1 · M113A1 (TOW)