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== Description ==
 
== Description ==
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[[File:GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|420px|thumb|left]]
 
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French medium tank {{Battle-rating}}. This tank was introduced in [[Update 1.79 "Project X"]].
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The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (shortened as '''{{Specs|pseudonym}}''') is a gift rank {{Specs|rank}} French tank destroyer {{Battle-rating|1}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.77 "Advancing Storm"]] during the [[wt:en/news/5453-special-chronicles-of-world-war-ii-in-war-thunder-en|2018 WW2 Chronicles]].
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The AMX 40 represents a massive shift in the French tank tree, with the addition of a stabilizer, whereas all other vehicles, with the exception of the American vehicles (Sherman M4A1, Jumbo.) have no actual stabilizer. Many players might find themselves hesitating to fire a shot as soon as a target is seen because there is usually time to think before the gun is stabilized, but at this rank, French players might find themselves having a hard time shooting before their enemy.
 
  
 
== General info ==
 
== General info ==
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
 
=== Survivability and armour ===
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The Lorraine 155 Mle.50 has very little armour (although some are sloped enough to deflect certain low-rank rounds), and can generally be penetrated by most guns of its rank. Even worse, however, the 'casemate' (if it can even be called that) has very little armour, and in some places can be shot through with machine guns. The machine-gunner (operating the 151) is completely open to the elements. Generally, you want to rely on good map placement and mobility, rather than armour.
  
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'''Armour type:'''
  
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The frontal armour of the AMX-40 consists mainly of a composite armour section at the front of the hull with a 35 mm thick (Rolled Homogeneous Armor) upper glacis plate and spaced turret armour. Despite the presence of both spaced and composite armour throughout the front of the vehicle, the vehicle struggles to resist the ammunition fired at it from its BR contemporaries save for the occasional bounce from the steep armour angles present on the upper glacis plate and the roof of the turret. The AMX-40 contains 4 crew members where half are seated on the left half of the vehicle and the other two are situated on the right half. This provides a moderate level of survivability since shots that connect too far left or right of the centre of the tank will likely only knock out two of the four crew, potentially granting the driver another opportunity. The vehicle's cannon breech is also quite large which grants it more survivability in its ability to absorb shrapnel. In addition to this, the AMX-40 features a blow-out panel for the rear turret ammunition, which is capable of storing up to 19 rounds. This grants the tank increased survivability, as side shots that explode the blow-out ammunition generally do not destroy the vehicle upon detonation.
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* Rolled homogeneous armour
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* Structural steel
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{| class="wikitable"
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|-
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! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
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|-
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| Hull || 16 mm (70°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 16 mm (2-73°) ''Transmission housing'' || 16 mm || 10 mm (0-42°) || 10 mm
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|-
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| Superstructure || 16 mm (21°) ''Front'' <br> 10 mm ''Gun shield'' || 16 mm (30°) ''Right side'' <br> 16 mm (21-48°) ''Left side'' || 10 mm || 10 mm
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|-
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! Armour !! Sides !! Roof
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|-
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| Cupola || 10 mm || N/A
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|}
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'''Notes:'''
  
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Overall the armour of the AMX-40 is for the most part, sufficient at protecting it from auto-cannon and SPAAG fire. Besides that, drivers of the AMX-40 will quickly find that its armour is inadequate at protecting it from its contemporaries and it is suggested that drivers instead make use of the above average mobility of the vehicle to ensure a degree of survivability.
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* Suspension wheels are 10 mm thick while tracks, sprocket wheels, torsion bars, and return rollers are 20 mm thick.
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* Belly armour is 10 mm thick.
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* Gun breech is 300mm thick, while the barrel itself is 25mm.
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* Gun carriage around the gun is 20mm thick, while the gun mount/traverse device is 40mm thick.
  
 
=== Mobility ===
 
=== Mobility ===
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This tank have a very good speed and reverse speed with all options.
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== Armaments ==
 
== Armaments ==
 
=== Main armament ===
 
=== Main armament ===
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{{main|GIAT CN120-25 G1 (120 mm)}}
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{{main|L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950 howitzer (155 mm)|l1=L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950 (155 mm)}}
  
 
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
|-
 
|-
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! colspan="6" | [[GIAT CN120-25 G1 (120 mm)|120 mm GIAT CN120-25 G1]]
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! colspan="6" | [[L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950 howitzer (155 mm)|155 mm L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950]]
 
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! colspan="3" rowspan="1" style="width:5em" |Capacity
 
! colspan="3" rowspan="1" style="width:5em" |Capacity
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! rowspan="1" | Stabilizer
 
! rowspan="1" | Stabilizer
 
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|-
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| colspan="3" | 40 || -7°/+20° || ±180° || Two-plane
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| colspan="3" | 30 || -5°/+67° || ±20° || N/A
 
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|-
 
! colspan="6" | Turret rotation speed (°/s)
 
! colspan="6" | Turret rotation speed (°/s)
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! style="width:4em" |Prior + Ace qualif.
 
! style="width:4em" |Prior + Ace qualif.
 
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| ''Arcade'' || __.__ || __.__ || __.__ || __.__ || __.__
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| ''Arcade'' || 5.27 || 7.31 || 8.88 || 9.82 || 10.45
 
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| ''Realistic'' || __.__ || __.__ || __.__ || 23.5 || __.__
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| ''Realistic'' || 3.57 || 4.2 || 5.1 || 5.64 || 6.0
 
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! colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
 
! colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
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! colspan="1" style="width:4em" |Prior + Ace qualif.
 
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| __.__ || __.__ || 7.1 || __.__
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| 26.0 || 23.0 || 21.2 || 20.0
 
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! 2000m
 
! 2000m
 
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| OCC 120 G1 || HEATFS || 600 || 600 || 600 || 600 || 600 || 600
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| M107 || HE || 54 || 54 || 54 || 54 || 54 || 54
 
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|-
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| OFL 120 G1 || APFSDS || 488 || 486 || 480 || 473 || 469 || 466
 
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! 100%
 
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| OCC 120 G1 || HEATFS || 1,050 || 14 || 0.0 || 0.1 || 1,640 || ° || 65° || 72° || 75°
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| M107 || HE || 563 || 43.1 || 0.1 || 0.1 || 6,860 || +0° || 79° || 80° || 81°
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{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center"
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! colspan="7" | Smoke characteristic
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! Ammunition
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! Velocity <br /> in m/s
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! Projectile<br />Mass in kg
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! ''Screen radius <br /> in m''
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! ''Screen time <br /> in s''
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! ''Screen hold time <br /> in s:''
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! ''Explosive Mass in g<br /> (TNT equivalent):''
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| M110 || 563 || 40.8 || 25 || 5 || 30 || 50
 
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| OFL 120 G1 || APFSDS || 1,650 || 3.8 || N/A || N/A || N/A || ° || 78° || 80° || 81°
 
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|}
 
|}
  
 
===== [[Ammo racks|Ammo racks]] =====
 
===== [[Ammo racks|Ammo racks]] =====
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{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center"
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{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
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! Full<br /> ammo
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |1st<br />  rack empty
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |2nd<br />  rack empty
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! 2nd<br />  rack empty
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! 3rd<br />  rack empty
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |4th<br />  rack empty
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |5th<br />  rack empty
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! 5th<br />  rack empty
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |6th<br />  rack empty
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! class="wikitable unsortable" |Visual<br /> discrepancy
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! 7th <br /> rack empty
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! 8th <br /> rack empty
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! Visual discrepancy
 
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|| '''XX''' || XX&nbsp;''(X+)'' || &nbsp;''(+)'' || &nbsp;''(+)'' || &nbsp;''(+)'' || &nbsp;''(+)'' || &nbsp;''(+)'' || style="text-align:left" | no
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|| '''30''' || 29&nbsp;''(+1)'' || 27 ''(+3)'' || 23&nbsp;''(+7)'' || 18&nbsp;''(+12)'' || 15&nbsp;''(+15)'' || 9&nbsp;''(+21)'' ||6&nbsp;''(+24)''||1&nbsp;''(+29)''|| style="text-align:left" | No
 
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'''Notes:'''
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* Recommended ammo load: '''10'''.  ''Keeps most ammunition in the floor and out of sponsons.''
  
 
=== Machine guns ===
 
=== Machine guns ===
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{{main|M693 (20 mm)|AAN-F1 (7.62 mm)}}
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{{main|MG 151/20 (20 mm)}}
  
 
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 
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! colspan="7" | [[M693 (20 mm)|20 mm M693]]
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! colspan="7" | [[MG 151/20 (20 mm)|20 mm MG151/20]]
 
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! colspan="7" | ''Coaxial mount''
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! colspan="7" | ''Commander's mount''
 
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! colspan="4" rowspan="1" style="width:5em" |Capacity (Belt capacity)
 
! colspan="4" rowspan="1" style="width:5em" |Capacity (Belt capacity)
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! rowspan="1" | Horizontal <br> guidance
 
! rowspan="1" | Horizontal <br> guidance
 
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| colspan="4" | 800 (500) || 740 || -0°/+20° || N/A
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| colspan="4" | 400 (250) || 700 || -8°/+45° || ±180°
 
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== Usage in battles ==
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The best method of using the large-calibre weapon on the Loraine is to exploit the high-explosive power against thin-armour on the enemy. Like other large calibre HE tanks, shooting below an enemy vehicle will penetrate its belly armor. This is an effective, albeit difficult way to engage tanks whose armor is greater than what your HE shell can penetrate.
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Some targets to keep in mind of, and their weak points:
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* Tiger I - While seemingly a hard enemy to face, the Tiger is easily dispatched with a side shot. A hit to the roadwheels will penetrate the tank, with the shell fragments going through the thin armor on the underside of the tank's sponson. This is also possible to do to Tiger IIs, but usually results in much less damage done.
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* Tiger II P, Panthers D and A - a hit to the bottom of the curved turret face of these tanks will cause the HE shell to pen the roof of the vehicle. This can also be done on tanks with flat turret fronts ( Tiger I, Tiger II H, Panthers G and F) by aiming for the lower half of the turret, but is not as reliable.
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=== Modules ===
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! colspan="2" | Mobility
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! Protection
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! colspan="2" | Firepower
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| I
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| Tracks
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| Parts
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| Horizontal Drive
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| M110
 
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| II
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| Suspension
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| Brake System
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| FPE
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| Adjustment of Fire
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|
 
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| III
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| Filters
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|
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| Crew Replenishment
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| Elevation Mechanism
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|
 
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! colspan="4" rowspan="1" style="width:5em" |Capacity (Belt capacity)
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| IV
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! rowspan="1" | Fire rate <br> (shots/minute)
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| Transmission
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! rowspan="1" | Vertical <br> guidance
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| Engine
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! rowspan="1" | Horizontal <br> guidance
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| colspan="4" | 2,000 (100) || 900 || -10°/+45° || ±120°
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! colspan="6" |This is a premium vehicle: all modifications are unlocked on purchase
 
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== Usage in battles ==
 
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Mobility is your advantage in battle, you can turn yourself easily with his powerful engine for close combat, reward and smoke in front fight, and run throught the map for snipe mode.
 
  
 
=== Pros and cons ===
 
=== Pros and cons ===
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'''Pros:'''
 
'''Pros:'''
  
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* GIAT 120 mm gun is a big improvement over the AMX-30's 105 mm gun
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* Powerful 155mm gun with a HE shell on-par with the KV-2's gun
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* Good mobility; about the same as on the AMX-30, with great forward and reverse acceleration and speed
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* Pintle-mounted 20mm cannon that is deadly to lightly-armoured vehicles and aircraft
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* Sports a 20 mm coaxial cannon for use against lightly armored targets
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* Decent mobility
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* Decent frontal armour
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* Good reverse speed
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* Composite armor allow for a more balanced survivability
 
  
 
'''Cons:'''
 
'''Cons:'''
  
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* Overall armour can still be penetrated by the majority of the guns at its rank
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* Thin armor with an open casemate, allows even rifle-calibre rounds to affect the crew
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* Turret turn speed is slower than most of the top rank VI tank, close combat can turn deadly quickly for the AMX-40
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* Despite thin armor, it's thick enough to trigger most fuses in APHE shells
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* Large profile
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* Long reload time; increases if the loader is taken out
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* If the machine-gunner is knocked out, so is the ability to use the 20mm cannon
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* No AP shells, only HE shells
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* Bad gun depression of 5°
  
 
== History ==
 
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Prototypes of the Lorraine 155 Mle.50 passed trials in 1950, but never reached production.
  
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Development of the AMX-40 began as a private venture of the French GIAT company in the early 1980s, with the aim to create a new export vehicle, in anticipation of an increased demand for military equipment from middle eastern countries. GIAT engineers decided to base the new vehicle off the AMX-32, which itself was an improved export version of the successful AMX-30 main battle tank. However, compared to his predecessors, the AMX-40 was to feature vastly improved firepower, mobility and protection. As a true first in the French postwar tank development history, the AMX-40 would receive a two-plane stabilizer for its 120mm smoothbore cannon. Although the tank’s turret and cannon were mostly adopted from the AMX-32, increases in weight from new components led to the fact that the hull of the vehicle had to be redesigned from scratch.
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== Media ==
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The work on the first prototype was nearing completion in 1983 and the vehicle was first shown off at the Eurosatory exhibition in the same year. Following testing in 1984, two further prototypes were constructed, featuring a number of improvements over the first one. By now, the French Ministry of Defense had started to back the promising project and GIAT soon afterwards transferred all three prototypes for comprehensive troop assessments. A final, fourth prototype was constructed in 1985. Each prototype was unique, featuring a number of external and internal differences with the main one usually concerning powerplant options.
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* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=france&vehicleType=tank&vehicleClass=tank_destroyer&vehicle=fr_lorraine_155 Skin and Camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
  
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In the late 1980s, the vehicle’s development stagnated as active development was largely replaced with an active marketing campaign, in an effort to find a potential buyer for the new vehicle. Despite France’s best efforts to market the vehicle, even going as far as showing off some of the prototypes in a competition in summer of 1986 in Saudi Arabia, a buyer couldn’t be found. Spain was the only country showing some interest in potentially buying the AMX-40, but in the end, nothing came out of it either. By failing to find a buyer, domestic interest in the AMX-40 also faded and eventually resulted in the project being closed in 1990. Ultimately, the four constructed prototypes of the AMX-40 can only be considered as transitional designs, bridging the gap between the old second generation French MBTs, like the AMX-30 and the upcoming modern designs, such as the Leclerc.
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{{Youtube-gallery|YZtAEsSpwNM|'''The Shooting Range #96''' - ''Metal Beasts'' section at 00:39 discusses the Lorraine 155 Mle.50.|_xCgMBOiA8U|'''High-explosive power''' discusses the {{PAGENAME}} at 0:50 - ''War Thunder Official Channel''}}
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''- From [https://warthunder.com/en/news/5563-development-amx-40-fire-and-forget-en Devblog]''
 
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== See also ==
 
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* [https://warthunder.com/en/news/5563-development-amx-40-fire-and-forget-en [Devblog<nowiki>]</nowiki> AMX-40: Fire and Forget]
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* [[Wikipedia:Obusier_de_155_mm_Mod%C3%A8le_50|[Wikipedia<nowiki>]</nowiki> Obusier de 155mm Modèle 50 (The gun)]]
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* [[Wikipedia:AMX-50#Char_Lorraine|[Wikipedia<nowiki>]</nowiki> AMX-50 - Char Lorraine (The chassis)]]
  
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Revision as of 21:48, 15 August 2020

Rank VI USA | Premium | Golden Eagles
A-10A Thunderbolt (Early)
Lorraine 155 Mle.50
fr_lorraine_155.png
Lorraine 155 Mle.50
France flag.png France
III Rank
Battle rating:
AB RB SB
4.3 4.3 4.3
Class:
PREMIUM
Purchase:Bundle or Gift
Show in game

Description

GarageImage Lorraine 155 Mle.50.jpg


The Lorraine automoteur de 155 mm modèle 1950 (shortened as Lorraine 155 Mle.50) is a gift rank III French tank destroyer with a battle rating of 4.3 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update 1.77 "Advancing Storm" during the 2018 WW2 Chronicles.

General info

Survivability and armour

The Lorraine 155 Mle.50 has very little armour (although some are sloped enough to deflect certain low-rank rounds), and can generally be penetrated by most guns of its rank. Even worse, however, the 'casemate' (if it can even be called that) has very little armour, and in some places can be shot through with machine guns. The machine-gunner (operating the 151) is completely open to the elements. Generally, you want to rely on good map placement and mobility, rather than armour.

Armour type:

  • Rolled homogeneous armour
  • Structural steel
Armour Front (Slope angle) Sides Rear Roof
Hull 16 mm (70°) Front glacis
16 mm (2-73°) Transmission housing 		16 mm 10 mm (0-42°) 10 mm
Superstructure 16 mm (21°) Front
10 mm Gun shield 		16 mm (30°) Right side
16 mm (21-48°) Left side 		10 mm 10 mm
Armour Sides Roof
Cupola 10 mm N/A

Notes:

  • Suspension wheels are 10 mm thick while tracks, sprocket wheels, torsion bars, and return rollers are 20 mm thick.
  • Belly armour is 10 mm thick.
  • Gun breech is 300mm thick, while the barrel itself is 25mm.
  • Gun carriage around the gun is 20mm thick, while the gun mount/traverse device is 40mm thick.

Mobility

Game Mode Max Speed (km/h) Weight (tons) Engine power (horsepower) Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton)
Forward Reverse Stock Upgraded Stock Upgraded
Arcade 60 16 30 639 1,145 21.3 38.17
Realistic 55 15 398 600 13.27 20

Armaments

Main armament

Main article: L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950 (155 mm)
155 mm L'Obusier de 155 Modèle 1950
Capacity Vertical
guidance 		Horizontal
guidance 		Stabilizer
30 -5°/+67° ±20° N/A
Turret rotation speed (°/s)
Mode Stock Upgraded Prior + Full crew Prior + Expert qualif. Prior + Ace qualif.
Arcade 5.27 7.31 8.88 9.82 10.45
Realistic 3.57 4.2 5.1 5.64 6.0
Reloading rate (seconds)
Stock Prior + Full crew Prior + Expert qualif. Prior + Ace qualif.
26.0 23.0 21.2 20.0
Ammunition
Penetration statistics
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Penetration in mm @ 0° Angle of Attack
10m 100m 500m 1000m 1500m 2000m
M107 HE 54 54 54 54 54 54
Shell details
Ammunition Type of
warhead 		Velocity
in m/s 		Projectile
Mass in kg 		Fuse delay

in m:

Fuse sensitivity

in mm:

Explosive Mass in g
(TNT equivalent): 		Normalization At 30°
from horizontal: 		Ricochet:
0% 50% 100%
M107 HE 563 43.1 0.1 0.1 6,860 +0° 79° 80° 81°
Smoke characteristic
Ammunition Velocity
in m/s 		Projectile
Mass in kg 		Screen radius
in m 		Screen time
in s 		Screen hold time
in s: 		Explosive Mass in g
(TNT equivalent):
M110 563 40.8 25 5 30 50
Ammo racks
Ammo racks of the Lorraine 155 Mle.50.
Full
ammo 		1st
rack empty 		2nd
rack empty 		3rd
rack empty 		4th
rack empty 		5th
rack empty 		6th
rack empty 		7th
rack empty 		8th
rack empty 		Visual discrepancy
30 29 (+1) 27 (+3) 23 (+7) 18 (+12) 15 (+15) 9 (+21) 6 (+24) 1 (+29) No

Notes:

  • Recommended ammo load: 10. Keeps most ammunition in the floor and out of sponsons.

Machine guns

Main article: MG 151/20 (20 mm)
20 mm MG151/20
Commander's mount
Capacity (Belt capacity) Fire rate
(shots/minute) 		Vertical
guidance 		Horizontal
guidance
400 (250) 700 -8°/+45° ±180°

Usage in battles

The best method of using the large-calibre weapon on the Loraine is to exploit the high-explosive power against thin-armour on the enemy. Like other large calibre HE tanks, shooting below an enemy vehicle will penetrate its belly armor. This is an effective, albeit difficult way to engage tanks whose armor is greater than what your HE shell can penetrate.

Some targets to keep in mind of, and their weak points:

  • Tiger I - While seemingly a hard enemy to face, the Tiger is easily dispatched with a side shot. A hit to the roadwheels will penetrate the tank, with the shell fragments going through the thin armor on the underside of the tank's sponson. This is also possible to do to Tiger IIs, but usually results in much less damage done.
  • Tiger II P, Panthers D and A - a hit to the bottom of the curved turret face of these tanks will cause the HE shell to pen the roof of the vehicle. This can also be done on tanks with flat turret fronts ( Tiger I, Tiger II H, Panthers G and F) by aiming for the lower half of the turret, but is not as reliable.

Modules

Tier Mobility Protection Firepower
I Tracks Parts Horizontal Drive M110
II Suspension Brake System FPE Adjustment of Fire
III Filters Crew Replenishment Elevation Mechanism
IV Transmission Engine
This is a premium vehicle: all modifications are unlocked on purchase

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Powerful 155mm gun with a HE shell on-par with the KV-2's gun
  • Pintle-mounted 20mm cannon that is deadly to lightly-armoured vehicles and aircraft
  • Decent mobility
  • Good reverse speed

Cons:

  • Thin armor with an open casemate, allows even rifle-calibre rounds to affect the crew
  • Despite thin armor, it's thick enough to trigger most fuses in APHE shells
  • Large profile
  • Long reload time; increases if the loader is taken out
  • If the machine-gunner is knocked out, so is the ability to use the 20mm cannon
  • No AP shells, only HE shells
  • Bad gun depression of 5°

History

Prototypes of the Lorraine 155 Mle.50 passed trials in 1950, but never reached production.

Media

Skins
Videos
The Shooting Range #96 - Metal Beasts section at 00:39 discusses the Lorraine 155 Mle.50.
High-explosive power discusses the Lorraine 155 Mle.50 at 0:50 - War Thunder Official Channel

See also

Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:

  • reference to the series of the vehicles;
  • links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

External links


France tank destroyers
Lorraine 40t derivatives  CA Lorraine · Lorraine 155 Mle.50
ATGM  MEPHISTO · AMX-10M
Other  AMR.35 ZT3 · Lorraine 37L · SAu 40 · ARL-44 · ELC bis · AMX-50 Foch · AuF1
USA  ▄M10 GMC · ▄M36B2

France premium ground vehicles
Light tanks  AMD.35 (SA35) · H.39 "Cambronne" · LVT-4/40 · AMX-13 (SS.11) · AMX-13-M24 · E.B.R. (1954) · E.B.R. (1963) · VBCI-2 (MCT30)
Medium tanks  M4A1 (FL10) · Panther "Dauphiné" · AMX-30 · AMX-30 Super · AMX-50 (TO90/930)
Heavy tanks  B1 ter · 2C bis · Somua SM
Tank destroyers  Lorraine 155 Mle.50

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