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== Description == | == Description == | ||
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− | The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a | + | The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a prototype wheeled assault gun based on the Patria AMV (Armored Modular Vehicle) with a Cockerill CV-CT 105HP gun system. The design of CV-CT 105HP makes it available for different NATO APCs including the Finnish Patria AMV 8x8 chassis; the system have undergone extensive tests in mid-2000s. While the turret system has been cooperated with Korean's K21-105 fire support vehicle (or "medium tank", according to Doosan Aerospace), the version with Patria AMV chassis has yet to secure orders from oversea customers. |
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+ | Patria CT-CV 105HP was introduced during [[Update "La Royale"]] as a reward for the [[wt:en/news/8384-event-summer-extreme-en|2023 Summer Extreme]] event. The light tank (or wheeled assault gun) is a international project to give more flexibility for overseas customer who seek for European (NATO) countries weaponry in terms of the chassis that housed the Belgian CT-CV 105HP turret. Not only it has rather high speed on different ground surfaces, the autoloading 105 mm gun with varieties of ammunition including Ukrainian 105 mm cannon-launched ATGM will make sure CT-CV would have the flexibility to deal with any targets it might face; while players would still have to be careful not to over-extend - the vehicle is not designed for the most heated battlefield with abundance of MBTs. | ||
== General info == | == General info == | ||
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− | '' | + | To give a quick conclusion to the vehicle, Patria CT-CV 105HP comprised of a Finnish's Patria AMV chassis and Belgium's John Cockerill CV-CT 105HP gun system. One thing players will soon notice is the rather high overall profile (the chassis is 2.3 m while the turret is around 1.5 m due to the turret ring adapter), which makes it quite a noticeable target even from afar; the turret shared some similarities with the XC-8 turret found on CV90105 XC-8 as they are both produced by Cockerill and housed the very same 105 mm gun. A common stereotype for wheeled APC is the less-protected chassis for the need of weight reduction; this is not the case for Patria AMV as the frontal protection is rated for STANAG 4569 Level 4a/b protection (14.5x114 mm at 200 m), making any autocannons/HMGs below 20 mm without APDS struggle to penetrate its UFP with applique armor. This will make CT-CV more confident against lower tier IFVs with such autocannons; while it can even stop 30 mm AP-T shells at such distance, but it is suggested to avoid higher caliber APDS/APFSDS at all cost as can easily tear down CT-CV even at distance. The turret is another story: due to the heightened turret ring to fit the CT-CV 105HP, in some cases, enemy autocannons will land on the turret ring and causing fatal damages to the turret components or crews; the turret itself is not well-protected against 20 mm autocannons as well. |
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+ | The crew placement is very similar to M1128 MGS with the driver placed far away from the turret crews, if the vehicle was hit from the sides but landed between the crews, chances are they would be very unhappy about a busted engine/transmission but the gun crews can still retaliate. But a note to players is that unlike M1128, the CT-CV turret is manned, located inside the turret basket at turret ring height; HEAT or HE will certainly disintegrate the turret alongside with its crews, knocking-down the vehicle right away. | ||
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! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof | ! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof | ||
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− | | Hull || | + | | Hull || 10+10 mm (74°) ''Upper glacis'' |
+ | 10+10 mm ''Upper plate'' | ||
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+ | 10+10 mm (47°) ''Lower glacis'' | ||
+ | | 10+10 mm ''Top'' <br>10+10 mm ''Bottom'' ||10+10 mm | ||
+ | |10+10 mm | ||
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− | | Turret || | + | | Turret || 20 mm ''Turret front'' <br> ___ mm ''Gun mantlet'' || 20 mm ||20 mm |
+ | |20 mm | ||
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| Cupola || ___ mm || ___ mm || ___ mm || ___ mm | | Cupola || ___ mm || ___ mm || ___ mm || ___ mm | ||
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− | + | Thanks to the DI 12 Scania Diesel engine that can output up to 600 hp and the ZF 7HP902 transmission, it can push CT-CV at up to 100 km/h on-road; it might not have the fastest reverse speed for assault guns (but still faster than M1128) at 17 km/h, but it is still sufficient to move away from enemies. | |
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+ | The CT-CV turret consist of a Cockerill 105 mm L/50 cannon, for players who already own CV90105, they will be very familiar to the overall performance of the ammunitions available, while the new turret featuring electric gun laying motor also makes the traverse rate significantly faster than any other assault guns in game even at stock; the vertical limits is pleasing at up to 10° depression, making peeking tactics very viable for the vehicle to minimize the overall profile using terrains or covers. But do make sure nothing with explosives hit the turret - it will certainly severely damage the turret and its crews. | ||
==== Ammunition ==== | ==== Ammunition ==== | ||
− | {{:L/50 (105 mm)/Ammunition|M1061, M393A2, M416, DM23, DM33, Falaric 105}} | + | {{:L/50 (105 mm)/Ammunition|M1061, M393A2, M416, DM23, DM33, Falaric 105}}'''M1061 HEAT-FS, stock''' ''':''' The stock ammunition for CT-CV; like most 105 mm HEAT-FS in NATO/PLAGF service, it might not be a problem harming light vehicles or SPAAs at its tier, but in case of well-armored MBTs which sometimes equipped with ERA packages, it will be very struggling to penetrate them from the front; even shots on the sides can be frustrating due to the lack of spalling of HEAT shells. |
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+ | '''M393A2 HESH, tier I :''' One of the tier I ammunitions for CT-CV; thanks to the features of HESH, unless the shell landed on very flat angle, it will most likely "stick" onto enemy's surfaces and blasting shrapnel inside the crew compartments of vehicles. It will be a great alternative to HEAT-FS to hit players behind cover but has some parts exposed to your line of fire, as well as more reliable against light vehicles or SPAAs. | ||
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+ | '''DM23 APFSDS, tier I :''' This will be one of the tier I ammunitions for CT-CV and the first kinetic shell for the vehicle; the equivalent of M111 APFSDS. While the penetration is nowhere enough to penetrate most MBTs at its tier, having kinetic shells makes long-range shots much easier and helps to grind through the early days of research. | ||
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+ | '''DM33 APFSDS, tier III :''' This is the other kinetic shell for the vehicle; although it has the lowest penetration among late 105 mm APFSDS at only 408 mm point-blank, it is after all still a long-rod APFSDS with higher penetration and spalling than previous ammunitions. This will be the go-to ammunition once players researched DM33. | ||
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+ | '''Falaric 105''' (sic) ''', tier II :''' Oddly enough, instead of manufactured in NATO/US allied countries, the Falarick 105 is in fact an Ukrainian tandem cannon-launched ATGM design to fit specifically for the Cockerill 105 mm L/50 cannon. Although it has way lower penetration to its Chinese counterpart at only 550 mm, the explosive content and velocity can certainly give enemy MBTs or light vehicles a bad day, sometime even helicopters will fall victim if the missile if they gets too close to stay hover for too long. | ||
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Revision as of 12:21, 16 August 2023
Contents
Description
The Patria CT-CV 105HP is a prototype wheeled assault gun based on the Patria AMV (Armored Modular Vehicle) with a Cockerill CV-CT 105HP gun system. The design of CV-CT 105HP makes it available for different NATO APCs including the Finnish Patria AMV 8x8 chassis; the system have undergone extensive tests in mid-2000s. While the turret system has been cooperated with Korean's K21-105 fire support vehicle (or "medium tank", according to Doosan Aerospace), the version with Patria AMV chassis has yet to secure orders from oversea customers.
Patria CT-CV 105HP was introduced during Update "La Royale" as a reward for the 2023 Summer Extreme event. The light tank (or wheeled assault gun) is a international project to give more flexibility for overseas customer who seek for European (NATO) countries weaponry in terms of the chassis that housed the Belgian CT-CV 105HP turret. Not only it has rather high speed on different ground surfaces, the autoloading 105 mm gun with varieties of ammunition including Ukrainian 105 mm cannon-launched ATGM will make sure CT-CV would have the flexibility to deal with any targets it might face; while players would still have to be careful not to over-extend - the vehicle is not designed for the most heated battlefield with abundance of MBTs.
General info
Survivability and armour
To give a quick conclusion to the vehicle, Patria CT-CV 105HP comprised of a Finnish's Patria AMV chassis and Belgium's John Cockerill CV-CT 105HP gun system. One thing players will soon notice is the rather high overall profile (the chassis is 2.3 m while the turret is around 1.5 m due to the turret ring adapter), which makes it quite a noticeable target even from afar; the turret shared some similarities with the XC-8 turret found on CV90105 XC-8 as they are both produced by Cockerill and housed the very same 105 mm gun. A common stereotype for wheeled APC is the less-protected chassis for the need of weight reduction; this is not the case for Patria AMV as the frontal protection is rated for STANAG 4569 Level 4a/b protection (14.5x114 mm at 200 m), making any autocannons/HMGs below 20 mm without APDS struggle to penetrate its UFP with applique armor. This will make CT-CV more confident against lower tier IFVs with such autocannons; while it can even stop 30 mm AP-T shells at such distance, but it is suggested to avoid higher caliber APDS/APFSDS at all cost as can easily tear down CT-CV even at distance. The turret is another story: due to the heightened turret ring to fit the CT-CV 105HP, in some cases, enemy autocannons will land on the turret ring and causing fatal damages to the turret components or crews; the turret itself is not well-protected against 20 mm autocannons as well.
The crew placement is very similar to M1128 MGS with the driver placed far away from the turret crews, if the vehicle was hit from the sides but landed between the crews, chances are they would be very unhappy about a busted engine/transmission but the gun crews can still retaliate. But a note to players is that unlike M1128, the CT-CV turret is manned, located inside the turret basket at turret ring height; HEAT or HE will certainly disintegrate the turret alongside with its crews, knocking-down the vehicle right away.
Armour type:
Armour | Front (Slope angle) | Sides | Rear | Roof |
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Hull | 10+10 mm (74°) Upper glacis
10+10 mm Upper plate 10+10 mm (47°) Lower glacis |
10+10 mm Top 10+10 mm Bottom |
10+10 mm | 10+10 mm |
Turret | 20 mm Turret front ___ mm Gun mantlet |
20 mm | 20 mm | 20 mm |
Cupola | ___ mm | ___ mm | ___ mm | ___ mm |
Notes:
Mobility
Thanks to the DI 12 Scania Diesel engine that can output up to 600 hp and the ZF 7HP902 transmission, it can push CT-CV at up to 100 km/h on-road; it might not have the fastest reverse speed for assault guns (but still faster than M1128) at 17 km/h, but it is still sufficient to move away from enemies.
Game Mode | Max Speed (km/h) | Weight (tons) | Engine power (horsepower) | Power-to-weight ratio (hp/ton) | |||
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Forward | Reverse | Stock | Upgraded | Stock | Upgraded | ||
Arcade | 112 | 19 | 26 | 852 | 1,049 | 32.77 | 40.35 |
Realistic | 101 | 17 | 486 | 550 | 18.69 | 21.15 |
Modifications and economy
Armaments
Main armament
105 mm L/50 | Turret rotation speed (°/s) | Reloading rate (seconds) | ||||||||
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Mode | Capacity | Vertical | Horizontal | Stabilizer | Stock | Upgraded | Full | Expert | Aced | Autoloader |
Arcade | 40 | -10°/+42° | ±180° | Two-plane | 43.6 | __._ | __._ | __._ | __._ | 5.00 |
Realistic | 27.3 | __._ | __._ | __._ | __._ |
The CT-CV turret consist of a Cockerill 105 mm L/50 cannon, for players who already own CV90105, they will be very familiar to the overall performance of the ammunitions available, while the new turret featuring electric gun laying motor also makes the traverse rate significantly faster than any other assault guns in game even at stock; the vertical limits is pleasing at up to 10° depression, making peeking tactics very viable for the vehicle to minimize the overall profile using terrains or covers. But do make sure nothing with explosives hit the turret - it will certainly severely damage the turret and its crews.
Ammunition
Penetration statistics | |||||||
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Ammunition | Type of warhead |
Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm) | |||||
10 m | 100 m | 500 m | 1,000 m | 1,500 m | 2,000 m | ||
M1061 | HEATFS | 400 | 400 | 400 | 400 | 400 | 400 |
M393A2 | HESH | 127 | 127 | 127 | 127 | 127 | 127 |
DM23 | APFSDS | 337 | 335 | 330 | 322 | 314 | 306 |
DM33 | APFSDS | 408 | 405 | 398 | 389 | 379 | 370 |
Falarick 105 | ATGM (tandem) | 550 | 550 | 550 | 550 | 550 | 550 |
Shell details | ||||||||||||
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Ammunition | Type of warhead |
Velocity (m/s) |
Projectile mass (kg) |
Fuse delay (m) |
Fuse sensitivity (mm) |
Explosive mass (TNT equivalent) (kg) |
Ricochet | |||||
0% | 50% | 100% | ||||||||||
M1061 | HEATFS | 1,174 | 10.5 | 0.05 | 0.1 | 1.27 | 65° | 72° | 77° | |||
M393A2 | HESH | 732 | 11.2 | 0.1 | 4 | 4.31 | 73° | 77° | 80° | |||
DM23 | APFSDS | 1,455 | 4.2 | - | - | - | 78° | 80° | 81° | |||
DM33 | APFSDS | 1,455 | 3.79 | - | - | - | 78° | 80° | 81° |
Missile details | ||||||||||||
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Ammunition | Type of warhead |
Velocity (m/s) |
Range (m) |
Projectile mass (kg) |
Fuse delay (m) |
Fuse sensitivity (mm) |
Explosive mass (TNT equivalent) (kg) |
Ricochet | ||||
0% | 50% | 100% | ||||||||||
Falarick 105 | ATGM (tandem) | 370 | 5,000 | 24 | 0.4 | 0.01 | 5.09 | 80° | 82° | 90° |
Smoke shell characteristics | ||||||
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Ammunition | Velocity (m/s) |
Projectile mass (kg) |
Screen radius (m) |
Screen deploy time (s) |
Screen hold time (s) |
Explosive mass (TNT equivalent) (g) |
M416 | 732 | 11.6 | 16 | 5 | 25 | 50 |
M393A2 HESH, tier I : One of the tier I ammunitions for CT-CV; thanks to the features of HESH, unless the shell landed on very flat angle, it will most likely "stick" onto enemy's surfaces and blasting shrapnel inside the crew compartments of vehicles. It will be a great alternative to HEAT-FS to hit players behind cover but has some parts exposed to your line of fire, as well as more reliable against light vehicles or SPAAs.
DM23 APFSDS, tier I : This will be one of the tier I ammunitions for CT-CV and the first kinetic shell for the vehicle; the equivalent of M111 APFSDS. While the penetration is nowhere enough to penetrate most MBTs at its tier, having kinetic shells makes long-range shots much easier and helps to grind through the early days of research.
DM33 APFSDS, tier III : This is the other kinetic shell for the vehicle; although it has the lowest penetration among late 105 mm APFSDS at only 408 mm point-blank, it is after all still a long-rod APFSDS with higher penetration and spalling than previous ammunitions. This will be the go-to ammunition once players researched DM33.
Falaric 105 (sic) , tier II : Oddly enough, instead of manufactured in NATO/US allied countries, the Falarick 105 is in fact an Ukrainian tandem cannon-launched ATGM design to fit specifically for the Cockerill 105 mm L/50 cannon. Although it has way lower penetration to its Chinese counterpart at only 550 mm, the explosive content and velocity can certainly give enemy MBTs or light vehicles a bad day, sometime even helicopters will fall victim if the missile if they gets too close to stay hover for too long.
Ammo racks
Full ammo |
1st rack empty |
2nd rack empty |
3rd rack empty |
Visual discrepancy |
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40 | 21 (+19) | 11 (+29) | 1 (+39) | No |
Machine guns
12.7 mm M2HB | ||||
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Mount | Capacity (Belt) | Fire rate | Vertical | Horizontal |
Coaxial | 600 (200) | 575 | - | - |
Usage in battles
Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).
Pros and cons
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Pros:
Cons:
History
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template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <ref></ref>
, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <references />
. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under === In-game description ===
, also if applicable).
Media
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See also
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External links
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