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The hull of the ship is made of 11 mm of steel plates, while the turrets are protected by thinner 8 mm steel. The superstructure is protected by 11 mm steel. Due to the Pr. 30 Ognevoy being a destroyer, this ship is lacking in armour in favour for more speed.  
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The hull of the ship is made of 11 mm of steel plates, while the turrets are protected by thinner 8 mm steel. The superstructure is protected by 11 mm steel. Due to the Pr. 30 Ognevoy being a destroyer, this ship is lacking in armour in favour for more speed.
  
 
=== Mobility ===
 
=== Mobility ===
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{{main|B-13 (130 mm)}}
 
{{main|B-13 (130 mm)}}
  
The {{PAGENAME}} introduces the famous Soviet 130 mm B-13 mount naval guns, found on all other Soviet destroyers up until the Spokoinyy. These 130 mm guns are a significant upgrade from the 102 mm cannons that the starter Frunze is equipped with, featuring a greater caliber and larger shells. Heavier shells also means that the ballistic performance of the 130 mm guns are superior to the 102 mm guns, and are easier to aim over longer distances. This is a consistent advantage that the Soviet 130 mm guns have over other smaller calibers such as 127 mm and 120 mm. Moreover, the caliber of these guns allows for much greater destructive capability, and these guns retain a solid fire rate of 12 rounds per minute.  
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The {{PAGENAME}} introduces the famous Soviet 130 mm B-13 mount naval guns, found on all other Soviet destroyers up until the Spokoinyy. These 130 mm guns are a significant upgrade from the 102 mm cannons that the starter Frunze is equipped with, featuring a greater calibre and larger shells. Heavier shells also means that the ballistic performance of the 130 mm guns are superior to the 102 mm guns, and are easier to aim over longer distances. This is a consistent advantage that the Soviet 130 mm guns have over other smaller calibres such as 127 mm and 120 mm. Moreover, the calibre of these guns allows for much greater destructive capability, and these guns retain a solid fire rate of 12 rounds per minute.
  
 
While having four guns in two twin mounts is a space-efficient way of getting good firepower, this also results in a distinct vulnerability. Disabling one turret results in a loss of 50% of total firepower, and therefore the firepower of the Ognevoy is in practice inconsistent. The B-13 mounts have very little armour, and do not have exceptional rotation speed.
 
While having four guns in two twin mounts is a space-efficient way of getting good firepower, this also results in a distinct vulnerability. Disabling one turret results in a loss of 50% of total firepower, and therefore the firepower of the Ognevoy is in practice inconsistent. The B-13 mounts have very little armour, and do not have exceptional rotation speed.
  
Three types of shells are available: HE, SAP, and HE-VT. The HE has a satisfactory filler of 3.58 kg of TNT, and compares favorably to other destroyer-caliber guns. HE is good at disabling other destroyer's guns and exposed weaponry, as well as hull-breaking smaller costal vessels, but does not have enough power to effectively damage internals components. Moreover, HE deals quite poorly with cruisers, so SAP is recommended in most cases. The SAP shell has a good penetration of 183 mm at 1000 m and a very good explosive mass of 2.35 g of TNT. SAP is adept at destroying internal components such as engines and even ammo racks, and is the quickest way to reduce crew count of an enemy vessel. Moreover, the good penetration of the 130 mm SAP allows the Ognevoy to combat light cruisers if the Ognevoy is placed in an up-tier.  
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Three types of shells are available: HE, SAP, and HE-VT. The HE has a satisfactory filler of 3.58 kg of TNT, and compares favourably to other destroyer-calibre guns. HE is good at disabling other destroyer's guns and exposed weaponry, as well as hull-breaking smaller costal vessels, but does not have enough power to effectively damage internals components. Moreover, HE deals quite poorly with cruisers, so SAP is recommended in most cases. The SAP shell has a good penetration of 183 mm at 1000 m and a very good explosive mass of 2.35 g of TNT. SAP is adept at destroying internal components such as engines and even ammo racks, and is the quickest way to reduce crew count of an enemy vessel. Moreover, the good penetration of the 130 mm SAP allows the Ognevoy to combat light cruisers if the Ognevoy is placed in an up-tier.
  
 
=== Secondary armament ===
 
=== Secondary armament ===
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{{main|39-K (76 mm)}}
 
{{main|39-K (76 mm)}}
  
There is only one twin 76 mm 39-K turret, located behind the second rangefinder. Performance is mediocre against surface targets due to a lack of guns. However, the mount has good elevation and can supplement the 37 mm autocannons in anti-aircraft fire. Therefore, the HE-TF shell is recommended over other shell types.
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There is only one twin 76 mm 39-K turret, located behind the second rangefinder. Performance is mediocre against surface targets due to low number of guns. However, the mount has good elevation and can supplement the 37 mm autocannons in anti-aircraft fire. Therefore, the HE-TF shell is recommended over other shell types.
  
 
=== Anti-aircraft armament ===
 
=== Anti-aircraft armament ===
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{{main|37 mm/67 70-K (37 mm)|DShK (12.7 mm)}}
 
{{main|37 mm/67 70-K (37 mm)|DShK (12.7 mm)}}
  
The anti-aircraft armament are the largest improvement over the Frunze. These 37 mm/67 70-K automatic guns can engage air and smaller coastal vessels with a fair amount of effectiveness. While the 37 mm 70-K guns may not compare quite as favorably to the formidable 40 mm Bofors cannon, the 70-K is still a very good weapon against light and fast targets.
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The anti-aircraft armament are the largest improvement over the Frunze. These 37 mm/67 70-K automatic guns can engage air and smaller coastal vessels with a fair amount of effectiveness. While the 37 mm 70-K guns may not compare quite as favourably to the formidable 40 mm Bofors cannon, the 70-K is still a very good weapon against light and fast targets.
  
 
The Ognevoy also has two DShK 12.7 mm machine guns, but these guns have heavily limited fire angles and are therefore quite difficult to use.
 
The Ognevoy also has two DShK 12.7 mm machine guns, but these guns have heavily limited fire angles and are therefore quite difficult to use.
 
37 mm gets a full HE-belt.
 
 
12.7 mm gets AP-belt most of the time.
 
  
 
=== Additional armament ===
 
=== Additional armament ===
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{{main|53-39 (533 mm)|BB-1 depth charge}}
 
{{main|53-39 (533 mm)|BB-1 depth charge}}
  
The Ognevoy has access to six 533 mm 53-39 torpedoes in two triple mounts, and these torpedoes will kill any ship or boat that is hit by it at the BR range of the Ognevoy. The speed and explosive mass of these torpedoes are average.
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The Ognevoy has access to six 533 mm 53-39 torpedoes in two triple mounts, and these torpedoes will sink any ship or boat at the BR range that is hit. The speed and explosive mass of these torpedoes are average.
  
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
== Usage in battles ==
 
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This is a good all-around destroyer. Good guns, good anti-aircraft weapons, and decent torpedoes. Although it may be a bit slow, this weakness is well compensated by the numerous strengths. If a player is in the division, it is a good escort ship.
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The Ognevoy is a good all-round destroyer. Good guns, good anti-aircraft weapons, and decent torpedoes. Although it may be a bit slow, this weakness is well compensated by the numerous strengths. If the player is in a squad, it is a good escort ship.
  
 
=== Pros and cons ===
 
=== Pros and cons ===
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* Fairly good speed and rudder handling
 
* Fairly good speed and rudder handling
 
* Relatively powerful main battery for tier
 
* Relatively powerful main battery for tier
* Low repair costs
 
  
 
'''Cons:'''
 
'''Cons:'''

Revision as of 17:17, 1 January 2022

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This page is about the Soviet destroyer Ognevoy. For other uses, see Pr.30 (Family).
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Ognevoy
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Description

The Pr.30, Ognevoy, 1944 is a rank I Soviet destroyer with a battle rating of 4.0 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in Update 1.87 "Locked On".

General info

Survivability and armour

Armourfront / side / back
Main fire tower8 / 8 / 8 mm
Hull16 mm (steel)
Superstructure4 mm (steel)
Number of section7
Displacement2 763 t
Crew276 people

The hull of the ship is made of 11 mm of steel plates, while the turrets are protected by thinner 8 mm steel. The superstructure is protected by 11 mm steel. Due to the Pr. 30 Ognevoy being a destroyer, this ship is lacking in armour in favour for more speed.

Mobility

Speedforward / back
AB84 / 35 km/h
RB68 / 29 km/h

Although the Pr. 30 may be a bit slower than Frunze (38 kts vs 48 kts), you will notice better rudder performance.

Mobility Characteristics
Game Mode Upgrade Status Maximum Speed (km/h) Turn Time (s) Turn Radius (m)
Forward Reverse
AB Stock ___ ___
Upgraded 84 35
RB/SB Stock ___ ___
Upgraded 68 29

Modifications and economy

Repair costBasic → Reference
AB632 → 821 Sl icon.png
RB1 005 → 1 306 Sl icon.png
Total cost of modifications6 000 Rp icon.png
4 540 Sl icon.png
Talisman cost410 Ge icon.png
Crew training1 800 Sl icon.png
Experts6 300 Sl icon.png
Aces80 Ge icon.png
Research Aces135 000 Rp icon.png
Reward for battleAB / RB / SB
60 / 130 / 100 % Sl icon.png
106 / 106 / 106 % Rp icon.png
Modifications
Seakeeping Unsinkability Firepower
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Dry-Docking
Research:
240 Rp icon.png
Cost:
180 Sl icon.png
70 Ge icon.png
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Rudder Replacement
Research:
270 Rp icon.png
Cost:
200 Sl icon.png
75 Ge icon.png
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Propeller Replacement
Research:
250 Rp icon.png
Cost:
190 Sl icon.png
70 Ge icon.png
Mods new ship engine.png
Engine Maintenance
Research:
390 Rp icon.png
Cost:
300 Sl icon.png
110 Ge icon.png
Mods ship damage control crew.png
Damage Control Division
Research:
240 Rp icon.png
Cost:
180 Sl icon.png
70 Ge icon.png
Mods ship fire control crew.png
Fire Division
Research:
270 Rp icon.png
Cost:
200 Sl icon.png
75 Ge icon.png
Mods engine smoke screen system.png
Smokescreen
Research:
270 Rp icon.png
Cost:
200 Sl icon.png
75 Ge icon.png
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Shrapnel Protection
Research:
250 Rp icon.png
Cost:
190 Sl icon.png
70 Ge icon.png
Mods ship venting.png
Ventilation
Research:
250 Rp icon.png
Cost:
190 Sl icon.png
70 Ge icon.png
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New Pumps
Research:
390 Rp icon.png
Cost:
300 Sl icon.png
110 Ge icon.png
Mods ship ammo wetting.png
Ammo Wetting
Research:
390 Rp icon.png
Cost:
300 Sl icon.png
110 Ge icon.png
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130mm_ussr_SAP_ammo_pack
Research:
240 Rp icon.png
Cost:
180 Sl icon.png
70 Ge icon.png
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76mm_ussr_34k_distant_fuse_navy_HE_ammo_pack
Research:
240 Rp icon.png
Cost:
180 Sl icon.png
70 Ge icon.png
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Anti-Air Armament Targeting
Research:
240 Rp icon.png
Cost:
180 Sl icon.png
70 Ge icon.png
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76mm_ussr_34k_navy_AP_ammo_pack
Research:
270 Rp icon.png
Cost:
200 Sl icon.png
75 Ge icon.png
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Auxiliary Armament Targeting
Research:
270 Rp icon.png
Cost:
200 Sl icon.png
75 Ge icon.png
Mods he frag proxi fuze ship.png
130mm_ussr_aa_radiofuse_ammo_pack
Research:
250 Rp icon.png
Cost:
190 Sl icon.png
70 Ge icon.png
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Improved Rangefinder
Research:
250 Rp icon.png
Cost:
190 Sl icon.png
70 Ge icon.png
Mods new main caliber turrets.png
Primary Armament Targeting
Research:
250 Rp icon.png
Cost:
190 Sl icon.png
70 Ge icon.png
Mods ship mortar.png
Bomb mortar
Research:
390 Rp icon.png
Cost:
300 Sl icon.png
110 Ge icon.png
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Torpedo Mode
Research:
390 Rp icon.png
Cost:
300 Sl icon.png
110 Ge icon.png

Armament

Primary armament

2 х Turret2 x 130 mm/50 B-13 cannon
Ammunition300 rounds
Vertical guidance-5° / 45°
Main article: B-13 (130 mm)

The Ognevoy introduces the famous Soviet 130 mm B-13 mount naval guns, found on all other Soviet destroyers up until the Spokoinyy. These 130 mm guns are a significant upgrade from the 102 mm cannons that the starter Frunze is equipped with, featuring a greater calibre and larger shells. Heavier shells also means that the ballistic performance of the 130 mm guns are superior to the 102 mm guns, and are easier to aim over longer distances. This is a consistent advantage that the Soviet 130 mm guns have over other smaller calibres such as 127 mm and 120 mm. Moreover, the calibre of these guns allows for much greater destructive capability, and these guns retain a solid fire rate of 12 rounds per minute.

While having four guns in two twin mounts is a space-efficient way of getting good firepower, this also results in a distinct vulnerability. Disabling one turret results in a loss of 50% of total firepower, and therefore the firepower of the Ognevoy is in practice inconsistent. The B-13 mounts have very little armour, and do not have exceptional rotation speed.

Three types of shells are available: HE, SAP, and HE-VT. The HE has a satisfactory filler of 3.58 kg of TNT, and compares favourably to other destroyer-calibre guns. HE is good at disabling other destroyer's guns and exposed weaponry, as well as hull-breaking smaller costal vessels, but does not have enough power to effectively damage internals components. Moreover, HE deals quite poorly with cruisers, so SAP is recommended in most cases. The SAP shell has a good penetration of 183 mm at 1000 m and a very good explosive mass of 2.35 g of TNT. SAP is adept at destroying internal components such as engines and even ammo racks, and is the quickest way to reduce crew count of an enemy vessel. Moreover, the good penetration of the 130 mm SAP allows the Ognevoy to combat light cruisers if the Ognevoy is placed in an up-tier.

Secondary armament

Turret2 x 76 mm/55 39-K cannon
Ammunition600 rounds
Main article: 39-K (76 mm)

There is only one twin 76 mm 39-K turret, located behind the second rangefinder. Performance is mediocre against surface targets due to low number of guns. However, the mount has good elevation and can supplement the 37 mm autocannons in anti-aircraft fire. Therefore, the HE-TF shell is recommended over other shell types.

Anti-aircraft armament

6 х Turret37 mm/67 70-K automatic cannon
Ammunition2000 rounds
Belt capacity5 rounds
Fire rate180 shots/min
4 х Turret12.7 mm DShK machine gun
Ammunition2000 rounds
Belt capacity50 rounds
Fire rate600 shots/min

The anti-aircraft armament are the largest improvement over the Frunze. These 37 mm/67 70-K automatic guns can engage air and smaller coastal vessels with a fair amount of effectiveness. While the 37 mm 70-K guns may not compare quite as favourably to the formidable 40 mm Bofors cannon, the 70-K is still a very good weapon against light and fast targets.

The Ognevoy also has two DShK 12.7 mm machine guns, but these guns have heavily limited fire angles and are therefore quite difficult to use.

Additional armament

Setup 16 x 533 mm 53-39 torpedo
Setup 22 x BB-1 large depth charge
Setup 36 x 533 mm 53-39 torpedo
2 x BB-1 large depth charge

The Ognevoy has access to six 533 mm 53-39 torpedoes in two triple mounts, and these torpedoes will sink any ship or boat at the BR range that is hit. The speed and explosive mass of these torpedoes are average.

Usage in battles

The Ognevoy is a good all-round destroyer. Good guns, good anti-aircraft weapons, and decent torpedoes. Although it may be a bit slow, this weakness is well compensated by the numerous strengths. If the player is in a squad, it is a good escort ship.

Pros and cons

Pros:

  • Excellent AA defense thanks to 37 mm cannons
  • Can easily destroy PT boats with 37 mm cannons
  • Fairly good speed and rudder handling
  • Relatively powerful main battery for tier

Cons:

  • Main battery is disabled semi frequently, costing you a significant portion of your firepower
  • Stock torpedoes have a range of just 4 km
  • First stage ammo storage is easily depleted in sustained combat
  • Fires tend to lead to rapid detonations while in near stock configuration

History

Interestingly enough, there is not that much known about this ship. This class of ships was intended to be an improvement over the Project 7 and Project 7U destroyers. Ognevoy guns came straight out of the Tashkent Destroyer when the ship was salvaged. Only two ships were constructed before and during WW2, while the rest was were completed following the war. The Pr. 30 Ognevoy made the way for the Skoryy-class of destroyers. The combat record of Ognevoy itself is unknown, but some sources indicate that it served to its full potential.

Media

See also

Links to articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:

  • reference to the series of the ship;
  • links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.

External links


Shipyard named after 61 Communards (Судостроительный завод имени 61 коммунара)
Destroyers 
Project 7U  Soobrazitelny
Project 30  Ognevoy
Project 30-bis  Bezuprechny
Project 56  Blagorodnyy · Bravy
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USSR destroyers
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Pr. 1  Leningrad · Moskva
Pr. 45  Opytny
Pr. 7  Besposhchadny · Ryany
Pr. 7U  Soobrazitelny · Stroyny
Pr. 20  Tashkent
Pr. 30  Ognevoy
Pr. 30-bis  Smelyi · Bezuprechny
Pr. 41  Neustrashimy
Pr. 56  Spokoinyy · Blagorodnyy · Bravy
Trophies  Romania
Regele Ferdinand-class  Letuchiy